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(Guardian)   "In the 40 years I have been following American political journalism, it has never been as poor as it is today. Once I hung on every written and spoken word - but now, there is nobody to read or hear who excites much thought or genuinely informs"   (theguardian.com) divider line 38
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2014-01-08 09:15:11 AM
So, old Brit journalist is upset that the media was mean to Obama and Hillary and wasn't mean enough to Republicans.

This sounds like a serious problem and will require the balanced consideration and observations that can only be found on the Fark politics tab.
 
2014-01-08 09:15:59 AM
"I think journalism is great and all, but I'd much rather report on this thread I saw on Reddit. User DickChainNeo69 has some really interesting things to say about properly brewing a cup of coffee."
 
2014-01-08 10:35:45 AM
Informs? Who the f*ck wants that? All the kids nowadays are all about getting infrommed.
 
2014-01-08 10:36:08 AM
Late-stage capitalist media attempting to hold on to a dying empire in the online and internationalized world says what?
 
2014-01-08 10:37:06 AM
"In the 40 years I have been following Americans political journalism, they have never been as poor as there are today.


true.   and the Wealthiest Americans have never been as wealthy as they are today.
 
2014-01-08 10:37:51 AM
News Corp is 100% responsible for this phenomenon.  Once other news sources starting trying to compete with a wish-fulfilling, fear-creating lie machine, there was quickly nothing left.
 
2014-01-08 10:37:59 AM
Imagine today's media reporting on Warren G. Harding's pledge to return the country to "normalcy." Shudder.
 
2014-01-08 10:39:03 AM

Shostie: "I think journalism is great and all, but I'd much rather report on this thread I saw on Reddit. User DickChainNeo69 has some really interesting things to say about properly brewing a cup of coffee."



well, the Aristocracy does have its pleasures to seek.
 
2014-01-08 10:39:53 AM
It's all conservative media, of course it's bullshiat.
 
2014-01-08 10:40:01 AM
The problem is with the consumer, not the producers. You have to put effort into finding good content you enjoy. You can't simply sit back and expect it to be spoon fed to you
 
2014-01-08 10:40:14 AM
Like anything, there is a lot of crap but there is some very good writing if you look for it.  The New Yorker has a lot of very good, well balanced articles on government policy.  Please note that I said policy and not politics.  There is a difference.  Politics will always be slanted based on the authors political slant.  Policy is more about the facts; what is working and why, what is not working and why, and perhaps some suggestions on fixing it and why.  The people confuse policy with politics are all idiots.
 
2014-01-08 10:43:17 AM

ikanreed: News Corp is 100% responsible for this phenomenon.  Once other news sources starting trying to compete with a wish-fulfilling, fear-creating lie machine, there was quickly nothing left.


Sort of.

NewsCorp's profits were the impetus to change. Old media (e.g., journalism) is very difficult to make profitable in the age of blogs, social media, and total connectivity. Why would I need to chain myself to a TV and a broadcast schedule to catch the news when I can whip out my smartphone and get live-tweeted updates of Iranian protests?

But NewsCorp hit the last gold vein -- old, angry white people. They have TVs and free time, but mistrust new technologies. Their world is changing and it scares them. So you pander to fears, flatter their preconceptions, and gin up a little rage. Ergo, profit in the age of decline.

Eventually the other media dinosaurs figured this out and are trying to cram themselves on the last life raft from the titanic. It will of course just capsize under the bloat and hubris, but there will be some squalling before the cold seas of time swallow what once was a proud institution.
 
2014-01-08 10:45:20 AM

Obama's Reptiloid Master: ikanreed: News Corp is 100% responsible for this phenomenon.  Once other news sources starting trying to compete with a wish-fulfilling, fear-creating lie machine, there was quickly nothing left.

Sort of.

NewsCorp's profits were the impetus to change. Old media (e.g., journalism) is very difficult to make profitable in the age of blogs, social media, and total connectivity. Why would I need to chain myself to a TV and a broadcast schedule to catch the news when I can whip out my smartphone and get live-tweeted updates of Iranian protests?

But NewsCorp hit the last gold vein -- old, angry white people. They have TVs and free time, but mistrust new technologies. Their world is changing and it scares them. So you pander to fears, flatter their preconceptions, and gin up a little rage. Ergo, profit in the age of decline.

Eventually the other media dinosaurs figured this out and are trying to cram themselves on the last life raft from the titanic. It will of course just capsize under the bloat and hubris, but there will be some squalling before the cold seas of time swallow what once was a proud institution.



you writer you!!
 
2014-01-08 10:50:17 AM

Linux_Yes: "In the 40 years I have been following Americans political journalism, they have never been as poor as there are today.


true.   and the Wealthiest Americans have never been as wealthy as they are today.


The average CEO has already made about 6.5x what his average worker will make all year.
 
2014-01-08 10:51:27 AM

Linux_Yes: Obama's Reptiloid Master: ikanreed: News Corp is 100% responsible for this phenomenon.  Once other news sources starting trying to compete with a wish-fulfilling, fear-creating lie machine, there was quickly nothing left.

Sort of.

NewsCorp's profits were the impetus to change. Old media (e.g., journalism) is very difficult to make profitable in the age of blogs, social media, and total connectivity. Why would I need to chain myself to a TV and a broadcast schedule to catch the news when I can whip out my smartphone and get live-tweeted updates of Iranian protests?

But NewsCorp hit the last gold vein -- old, angry white people. They have TVs and free time, but mistrust new technologies. Their world is changing and it scares them. So you pander to fears, flatter their preconceptions, and gin up a little rage. Ergo, profit in the age of decline.

Eventually the other media dinosaurs figured this out and are trying to cram themselves on the last life raft from the titanic. It will of course just capsize under the bloat and hubris, but there will be some squalling before the cold seas of time swallow what once was a proud institution.


you writer you!!


Bringing back my old "glory days" of being a stupid undergrad churning out opinion columns for my school paper.
 
2014-01-08 11:01:47 AM

Obama's Reptiloid Master: ikanreed: News Corp is 100% responsible for this phenomenon.  Once other news sources starting trying to compete with a wish-fulfilling, fear-creating lie machine, there was quickly nothing left.

Sort of.

NewsCorp's profits were the impetus to change. Old media (e.g., journalism) is very difficult to make profitable in the age of blogs, social media, and total connectivity. Why would I need to chain myself to a TV and a broadcast schedule to catch the news when I can whip out my smartphone and get live-tweeted updates of Iranian protests?

But NewsCorp hit the last gold vein -- old, angry white people. They have TVs and free time, but mistrust new technologies. Their world is changing and it scares them. So you pander to fears, flatter their preconceptions, and gin up a little rage. Ergo, profit in the age of decline.

Eventually the other media dinosaurs figured this out and are trying to cram themselves on the last life raft from the titanic. It will of course just capsize under the bloat and hubris, but there will be some squalling before the cold seas of time swallow what once was a proud institution.


Eh, the internet signal boosts, to be sure, but Rupert Murdoch decided tabloid standards without dead giveaway tabloid stories was the way of the future, and started working on an American branch to his lie empire in the mid 90s.
 
2014-01-08 11:09:13 AM

IamKaiserSoze!!!: So, old Brit journalist is upset that the media was mean to Obama and Hillary and wasn't mean enough to Republicans.

This sounds like a serious problem and will require the balanced consideration and observations that can only be found on the Fark politics tab.


I see we've found the butthurt Fox News viewer.
 
2014-01-08 11:09:33 AM
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"The social psychology and physiognomy of the financial elite - with its wealth, special privileges and its control over the organs of public opinion - resembles nothing so much as a modern aristocracy." - Tom Eley
 
2014-01-08 11:17:57 AM

neversubmit: [www.unique-design.net image 630x472]

"The social psychology and physiognomy of the financial elite - with its wealth, special privileges and its control over the organs of public opinion - resembles nothing so much as a modern aristocracy." - Tom Eley


The world has trained me to think anyone who says "Don't blindly accept X, think for yourself" wants me to blindly accept Y instead.
 
2014-01-08 11:23:30 AM

Obama's Reptiloid Master: ikanreed: News Corp is 100% responsible for this phenomenon.  Once other news sources starting trying to compete with a wish-fulfilling, fear-creating lie machine, there was quickly nothing left.

Sort of.

NewsCorp's profits were the impetus to change. Old media (e.g., journalism) is very difficult to make profitable in the age of blogs, social media, and total connectivity. Why would I need to chain myself to a TV and a broadcast schedule to catch the news when I can whip out my smartphone and get live-tweeted updates of Iranian protests?

But NewsCorp hit the last gold vein -- old, angry white people. They have TVs and free time, but mistrust new technologies. Their world is changing and it scares them. So you pander to fears, flatter their preconceptions, and gin up a little rage. Ergo, profit in the age of decline.

Eventually the other media dinosaurs figured this out and are trying to cram themselves on the last life raft from the titanic. It will of course just capsize under the bloat and hubris, but there will be some squalling before the cold seas of time swallow what once was a proud institution.


That's true, to a certain extent. However, the rise of Fox News and conservative media started before the Internet began to pick up steam, and well before the advent of blogging, social media, and smartphones. Yes, NewsCorp makes a lot of money pandering to old, angry white people, but it has very little to do with technology.
 
2014-01-08 11:24:43 AM

ikanreed: neversubmit: [www.unique-design.net image 630x472]

"The social psychology and physiognomy of the financial elite - with its wealth, special privileges and its control over the organs of public opinion - resembles nothing so much as a modern aristocracy." - Tom Eley

The world has trained me to think anyone who says "Don't blindly accept X, think for yourself" wants me to blindly accept Y instead.


Well, don't leave me hanging, how is that working out for you? For myself I have found that I don't know much of anything but at least I don't have a false sense of reality. Sort of like being a moron and knowing it, as apposed to being a moron and thinking I'm not.
 
2014-01-08 11:35:37 AM
So, people are surprised that propaganda has replaced actual journalism in the US?  We're not the only ones guilty of it, but we're the ones that are really destroying what journalism and a news media was supposed to do.  Educate the public without bias one way or the other.  If you don't believe it, look at a show like '60 Minutes', who for the most part had quite a bit of journalistic integrity, but has now decided to go the route of 'reporting' what their corporate masters want reported on.

Yeah, once journalists stopped asking the hard questions and stopped true investigative reporting, it was only a matter of time before we started to get to the point we are at today.  No wonder the nation is so polarized, it's what makes for good 'journalistic reporting' (that is, a side show to keep people's minds off of what's really wrong and how we might be able to fix it).
 
2014-01-08 11:42:32 AM

ikanreed: neversubmit: [www.unique-design.net image 630x472]

"The social psychology and physiognomy of the financial elite - with its wealth, special privileges and its control over the organs of public opinion - resembles nothing so much as a modern aristocracy." - Tom Eley

The world has trained me to think anyone who says "Don't blindly accept X, think for yourself" wants me to blindly accept Y instead.


What does someone have to say to get you to think for yourself?
 
2014-01-08 12:01:49 PM

neversubmit: Well, don't leave me hanging, how is that working out for you? For myself I have found that I don't know much of anything but at least I don't have a false sense of reality. Sort of like being a moron and knowing it, as apposed to being a moron and thinking I'm not.


rvesco: What does someone have to say to get you to think for yourself?


Please, tell me you two are both being sarcastic.    The point is that "think for yourself" has become a code word for "buy into my ideology, conspiracy theory, don't maintain your own opinions(that in any way mirror those people)."

Everyone imagines themselves "thinking for themselves" and an exhortation to do so just comes off as smug.  The real trick is acknowledging that your own "critical" analysis suffers from bias and meta-criticism is extraordinarily important.
 
2014-01-08 12:12:16 PM

ikanreed: neversubmit: Well, don't leave me hanging, how is that working out for you? For myself I have found that I don't know much of anything but at least I don't have a false sense of reality. Sort of like being a moron and knowing it, as apposed to being a moron and thinking I'm not.

rvesco: What does someone have to say to get you to think for yourself?

Please, tell me you two are both being sarcastic.    The point is that "think for yourself" has become a code word for "buy into my ideology, conspiracy theory, don't maintain your own opinions(that in any way mirror those people)."

Everyone imagines themselves "thinking for themselves" and an exhortation to do so just comes off as smug.  The real trick is acknowledging that your own "critical" analysis suffers from bias and meta-criticism is extraordinarily important.


Nihilism by way of reductio ad absurdum?
 
2014-01-08 12:28:15 PM

neversubmit: Nihilism by way of reductio ad absurdum?


Look at yourself, you're justifying my point.  "Either my views on thinking or nihilism."  The fact that you aren't able to embrace the possibility of being wrong doesn't make your position more credible.
 
2014-01-08 12:46:58 PM

ikanreed: neversubmit: Nihilism by way of reductio ad absurdum?

Look at yourself, you're justifying my point.  "Either my views on thinking or nihilism."  The fact that you aren't able to embrace the possibility of being wrong doesn't make your position more credible.


I agree, self serving points of view are bad.
 
2014-01-08 12:47:14 PM

ikanreed: neversubmit: Nihilism by way of reductio ad absurdum?

Look at yourself, you're justifying my point.  "Either my views on thinking or nihilism."  The fact that you aren't able to embrace the possibility of being wrong doesn't make your position more credible.


From the perspective of an actor talking on repulsive characters, if you ever plan to get into the head of someone who is disgusting, stupid, or evil, you have to keep mind that they are the hero of their own story. Of course they might offend others, but their actions and thoughts make perfect sense to them. They won't be swayed by consensus; no! They think for themselves.
I keep this in mind in political debates too. Everyone is doing *the best they can* to solve the worlds problems. No one is trying to be unhelpful or pigheadded.
That said, I do believe Fox News sincerely wants liberalism to become antithetical to patriotism so that the world is safe for nostalgia and uniformity.
 
2014-01-08 12:51:47 PM

bdMurray: ikanreed: neversubmit: Nihilism by way of reductio ad absurdum?

Look at yourself, you're justifying my point.  "Either my views on thinking or nihilism."  The fact that you aren't able to embrace the possibility of being wrong doesn't make your position more credible.

From the perspective of an actor talking on repulsive characters, if you ever plan to get into the head of someone who is disgusting, stupid, or evil, you have to keep mind that they are the hero of their own story. Of course they might offend others, but their actions and thoughts make perfect sense to them. They won't be swayed by consensus; no! They think for themselves.
I keep this in mind in political debates too. Everyone is doing *the best they can* to solve the worlds problems. No one is trying to be unhelpful or pigheadded.
That said, I do believe Fox News sincerely wants liberalism to become antithetical to patriotism so that the world is safe for nostalgia and uniformity.


No, that's not entirely true.  Some people have a financial stake in convincing people of untrue things.
 
2014-01-08 01:19:38 PM

Obama's Reptiloid Master: ikanreed: News Corp is 100% responsible for this phenomenon.  Once other news sources starting trying to compete with a wish-fulfilling, fear-creating lie machine, there was quickly nothing left.

Sort of.

NewsCorp's profits were the impetus to change. Old media (e.g., journalism) is very difficult to make profitable in the age of blogs, social media, and total connectivity. Why would I need to chain myself to a TV and a broadcast schedule to catch the news when I can whip out my smartphone and get live-tweeted updates of Iranian protests?

But NewsCorp hit the last gold vein -- old, angry white people. They have TVs and free time, but mistrust new technologies. Their world is changing and it scares them. So you pander to fears, flatter their preconceptions, and gin up a little rage. Ergo, profit in the age of decline.

Eventually the other media dinosaurs figured this out and are trying to cram themselves on the last life raft from the titanic. It will of course just capsize under the bloat and hubris, but there will be some squalling before the cold seas of time swallow what once was a proud institution.


Yeah the generation that grew up without antibiotics and beat the depression and nazis are scared of technology. That's the ticket.
 
2014-01-08 01:24:50 PM

cchris_39: Obama's Reptiloid Master: ikanreed: News Corp is 100% responsible for this phenomenon.  Once other news sources starting trying to compete with a wish-fulfilling, fear-creating lie machine, there was quickly nothing left.

Sort of.

NewsCorp's profits were the impetus to change. Old media (e.g., journalism) is very difficult to make profitable in the age of blogs, social media, and total connectivity. Why would I need to chain myself to a TV and a broadcast schedule to catch the news when I can whip out my smartphone and get live-tweeted updates of Iranian protests?

But NewsCorp hit the last gold vein -- old, angry white people. They have TVs and free time, but mistrust new technologies. Their world is changing and it scares them. So you pander to fears, flatter their preconceptions, and gin up a little rage. Ergo, profit in the age of decline.

Eventually the other media dinosaurs figured this out and are trying to cram themselves on the last life raft from the titanic. It will of course just capsize under the bloat and hubris, but there will be some squalling before the cold seas of time swallow what once was a proud institution.

Yeah the generation that grew up without antibiotics and beat the depression and nazis are scared of technology. That's the ticket.


They are f*cking scared of their shadow because it's black.
 
2014-01-08 01:34:42 PM

cchris_39: Yeah the generation that grew up without antibiotics and beat the depression and nazis are scared of technology. That's the ticket.


Their afraid of the technology created by the people who landed on the moon and beat communism.
 
2014-01-08 08:37:57 PM
Journalism is farked when they cite Twitter. Also when they are in the business of making a profit.
 
2014-01-08 11:28:24 PM
George will still has gravitas, but he's in his 70s and won't be working much longer. When he leaves, I won't be able to name one.
 
2014-01-09 04:14:26 AM
There is no news, anymore. It's all propaganda, and it's all attempting to force an opinion on the reader. If you think that any news source is unbiased, you've just discovered your own bias.
 
2014-01-09 11:35:12 AM

ikanreed: News Corp is 100% responsible for this phenomenon.  Once other news sources starting trying to compete with a wish-fulfilling, fear-creating lie machine, there was quickly nothing left.


Well, the documentary title "Outfoxed:  Rupert Murdoch's War on Journalism" has never been more apropos.  And the worst part is that it's not just in the US.  Most Brits HATE Margaret Thatcher for the damage that she did to their country, but conservatives still keep getting voted in, so much so that they'll still make one Prime Minister.

Australia's the same way, as are a lot of other countries.

Despite the consistent amount of damage that strict conservatism has done to the US, Rush Limbaugh's the #1 radio host, Bill O'Relly is the #1 TV host (Sean Hannity is #2), and the Tea Party is still a viable political force.
 
2014-01-09 12:50:49 PM

The Lone Gunman: ikanreed: News Corp is 100% responsible for this phenomenon.  Once other news sources starting trying to compete with a wish-fulfilling, fear-creating lie machine, there was quickly nothing left.

Well, the documentary title "Outfoxed:  Rupert Murdoch's War on Journalism" has never been more apropos.  And the worst part is that it's not just in the US.  Most Brits HATE Margaret Thatcher for the damage that she did to their country, but conservatives still keep getting voted in, so much so that they'll still make one Prime Minister.

Australia's the same way, as are a lot of other countries.

Despite the consistent amount of damage that strict conservatism has done to the US, Rush Limbaugh's the #1 radio host, Bill O'Relly is the #1 TV host (Sean Hannity is #2), and the Tea Party is still a viable political force.


Propaganda trumps reality every farking time because stupid, lazy people outnumber smart, aware people.
 
2014-01-09 02:39:30 PM

neversubmit: [www.unique-design.net image 630x472]

"The social psychology and physiognomy of the financial elite - with its wealth, special privileges and its control over the organs of public opinion - resembles nothing so much as a modern aristocracy." - Tom Eley


This is precisely why I love fark. It gives you access to a bunch of sources so you can smell the bullshiat and sense the bias of each of them. You get a sense of what they're trying to push after a while and know just how big a pinch of salt you need with each subject they report on.
 
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