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(PBS)   China's former Minister of Health says the four leading causes of death in China are heart disease, diet-related disease, smoking, and breathing   (pbs.org) divider line 41
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2014-01-08 08:14:17 AM
"breathing"

Good one, subster.  Probably ought to move that one to the front.

My wife's heading back to spend Chinese new year with her parents.  Maybe I should pack her up some SCUBA gear. Her mother hacks up so much black stuff you'd think she was a coal miner.
 
2014-01-08 08:17:09 AM
This is why environmental regulations are bad, mmkay?

If fixing the environment were truly imperative, private enterprise would find a way to profit from it. Until then, keep your gummint hands off our air quality FREEDOM!
 
2014-01-08 08:17:49 AM
Mistranslation, Subby. "Population control," not "death."
 
2014-01-08 08:18:43 AM
FTA:
Meanwhile, a researcher from the University of China and North Carolina State University has suggested a new solution to China's pollution problem. In an article published in the journal Environmental Chemistry Letters, Shaocai Yu suggests "http://www.springer.com/about+springer/media/springer+select?SGWID=0- 1 1001-6-1450943-0" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-weight: bold;">spraying water into the atmosphere from sprinklers) atop tall buildings and towers, similar to watering a garden."
According to the article, the practice would, "simulate natural types of precipitation that are able to most effectively scavenge or collect and remove aerosol and gaseous pollutants."

Yay!  Let's get all that pesky lead and mercury out of the air and into the soil and ground water!  Problem solved.
 
2014-01-08 08:19:13 AM
Wow, pollution kills up to 500k people per year.  Article doesn't say, but it stands to reason that infants and elderly would be at the most risk...  Complements the Family Plan pretty nicely.
 
2014-01-08 08:22:56 AM
To be fair, the latter two are pretty much the same these days.
 
2014-01-08 08:23:53 AM
It's true. 100% of people who breathe will eventually die.
 
2014-01-08 08:27:24 AM
Actually, the numbers of deaths could be higher.  You see, in China, each district has a quota of how many people are allowed to die each year, and from what.  Actually, it's more about what numbers are acceptable, and which ones require drastic measures.  Since drastic measures often mean really bad things happening to the local party officials, they have been know to lie on these reports.
 
2014-01-08 08:28:29 AM
China is having all the problems the US had when it was an industrialized nation.
 
2014-01-08 08:30:34 AM
You have to hand it to the Chinese. They figured out a way to make smoking no more dangerous than breathing.
 
2014-01-08 08:34:02 AM
He died of an accidental shot to the head before he could add "making the government look bad".
 
2014-01-08 08:34:20 AM
At least the lack of job killing regulations means that they don't die from cancer; they don't live long enough to get it.
 
2014-01-08 08:34:50 AM
what does diet-related disease mean?  At first i thought they were saying that dieting was killing them - eating too many salads was leading cause of death or something.  But i guess it means disease related to a poor diet - too much bacon and alcohol or something.
 
2014-01-08 08:35:34 AM

SpdrJay: China is having all the problems the US had when it was an industrialized nation.


I can't deny that US manufacturing has declined as a percentage of GDP, but it's not like we're alone. Manufacturing as a percentage of GDP has fallen everywhere. s17.postimg.org 1.bp.blogspot.com tradegov.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-01-08 08:37:46 AM

Mister Buttons: FTA:
Meanwhile, a researcher from the University of China and North Carolina State University has suggested a new solution to China's pollution problem. In an article published in the journal Environmental Chemistry Letters, Shaocai Yu suggests "http://www.springer.com/about+springer/media/springer+select?SGWID=0- 1 1001-6-1450943-0" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-weight: bold;">spraying water into the atmosphere from sprinklers) atop tall buildings and towers, similar to watering a garden."
According to the article, the practice would, "simulate natural types of precipitation that are able to most effectively scavenge or collect and remove aerosol and gaseous pollutants."

Yay!  Let's get all that pesky lead and mercury out of the air and into the soil and ground water!  Problem solved.


I can't come up with a good joke for it yet but that plan sounds like it came out of idiocracy. 'Lets try putting toilet water on that broken reactor!'
 
2014-01-08 08:42:36 AM
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2014-01-08 08:45:52 AM

SlothB77: what does diet-related disease mean?  At first i thought they were saying that dieting was killing them - eating too many salads was leading cause of death or something.  But i guess it means disease related to a poor diet - too much bacon and alcohol or something.


Malnutrition.  Not too MUCH of something, too little.

Also, you sound super fat.
 
2014-01-08 08:48:19 AM
gorirajkumari.files.wordpress.com

Problem solved.  Get back to work.
 
2014-01-08 08:48:29 AM

StopLurkListen: This is why environmental regulations are bad, mmkay?


SpdrJay: China is having all the problems the US had when it was an industrialized nation.


Yeah, the "market solution" in America in the 1960s was almost as bad.  Things got better here, but ONLY by founding a government bureaucracy and dragging every industry, kicking and screaming every step of the way.  I know at least half the country will use any excuse to shiat on the federal government (the EPA is particularly detested in Ohio), and I'm fully disillusioned to the idea of Big Government being an ideal solution for anything, but nothing else worked.  Frankly, nothing else did anything.  Industry had a century to figure this out on their own and never once lifted a finger.  Why would they?  For any given fungible commodity, like steel or oil, the stuff that costs even 1% more because the company actually cleaned up its messes goes bankrupt -- it's why domestic industries complain to this day that they can't compete with fark-the-Earth operations in China.  Snark aside, there is no "free market solution" to a common resource, like air quality.  If there was, it would've cropped up in the hundred years between the Reconstruction and the foundation of the EPA.
 
2014-01-08 08:53:58 AM

StopLurkListen: SpdrJay: China is having all the problems the US had when it was an industrialized nation.

I can't deny that US manufacturing has declined as a percentage of GDP, but it's not like we're alone. Manufacturing as a percentage of GDP has fallen everywhere. [s17.postimg.org image 850x648] [1.bp.blogspot.com image 850x689] [tradegov.files.wordpress.com image 850x505]


Thanks for the graphs. Just out of curiosity, would you happen to know which category 'manufacturing; falls into in the last graph?
 
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2014-01-08 08:58:16 AM
"Big Government" is a catch phrase.  I don't think having standards necessarily means that it's "Big Government."  Plus the bigger the corporation is the more they wiggle around. challenge, and tie up the standards in court.

I know you on the right hate this, but when you have such huge concentrations of power then you have to have a counterbalance.  If you refuse to reign in corporate power (and constitutionally there there is no reason you can't) then you something has to keep that concentration of power in check.  Common law has made corporations into sociopath entities.
 
2014-01-08 09:00:08 AM

Gunny Highway: [gorirajkumari.files.wordpress.com image 600x600]

Problem solved.  Get back to work.


My wife and I are heading to Beijing and Shanghai in three weeks, already bought a supply. Looking forward to the country, not looking forward to the pollution.
 
2014-01-08 09:03:39 AM
fark china. Let em rot.
 
2014-01-08 09:04:50 AM

AlwaysRightBoy: Gunny Highway: [gorirajkumari.files.wordpress.com image 600x600]

Problem solved.  Get back to work.

My wife and I are heading to Beijing and Shanghai in three weeks, already bought a supply. Looking forward to the country, not looking forward to the pollution.


Have fun.  I have never been but it is certainly on the list.  If it is a vacation, I hope you make it to some places where you dont need the masks!
 
2014-01-08 09:05:29 AM
I was in Shanghai for work in August.  The air was disgusting even without the heat and humidity.  We stayed on the Bund and looking across to Pudong it was a wonder that you could see most of the skyline during the day.
 
2014-01-08 09:08:30 AM

draypresct: StopLurkListen: SpdrJay: China is having all the problems the US had when it was an industrialized nation.

I can't deny that US manufacturing has declined as a percentage of GDP, but it's not like we're alone. Manufacturing as a percentage of GDP has fallen everywhere. [s17.postimg.org image 850x648] [1.bp.blogspot.com image 850x689] [tradegov.files.wordpress.com image 850x505]

Thanks for the graphs. Just out of curiosity, would you happen to know which category 'manufacturing; falls into in the last graph?


It's a services-sector-only graph, the manufacturing sector occupies some of the empty space. It's the flip side to the other graphs -- it shows how services have increased as a percentage of the economy.
 
2014-01-08 09:15:44 AM

StopLurkListen: draypresct: StopLurkListen: SpdrJay: China is having all the problems the US had when it was an industrialized nation.

I can't deny that US manufacturing has declined as a percentage of GDP, but it's not like we're alone. Manufacturing as a percentage of GDP has fallen everywhere. [s17.postimg.org image 850x648] [1.bp.blogspot.com image 850x689] [tradegov.files.wordpress.com image 850x505]

Thanks for the graphs. Just out of curiosity, would you happen to know which category 'manufacturing; falls into in the last graph?

It's a services-sector-only graph, the manufacturing sector occupies some of the empty space. It's the flip side to the other graphs -- it shows how services have increased as a percentage of the economy.


Got it. Thanks.
 
2014-01-08 09:52:10 AM

Gunny Highway: AlwaysRightBoy: Gunny Highway: [gorirajkumari.files.wordpress.com image 600x600]

Problem solved.  Get back to work.

My wife and I are heading to Beijing and Shanghai in three weeks, already bought a supply. Looking forward to the country, not looking forward to the pollution.

Have fun.  I have never been but it is certainly on the list.  If it is a vacation, I hope you make it to some places where you dont need the masks!


Thanks. The great Wall and the Ming tombs will be clear viewing.
 
2014-01-08 10:05:00 AM
This morning on BBC world news they were talking about how China plans to deal with pollution in the future. They have been building more wind turbines, but it is only 2% of where they get their power compared to 75% coal. But being China they dont have to deal with people trying to block putting up the turbines because it will spoil their view. One of the foremen for the work crews they inerviewed said they can put up 2 a day now. Now weather they work or not is a different story.
 
2014-01-08 10:33:46 AM

dragonchild: Snark aside, there is no "free market solution" to a common resource, like air quality.


Sure there is: products that improve air quality for the breather, like masks and air filters. They are already for sale, but some day will be necessary for everyone. Just like packaged food and water are for many people today.
 
2014-01-08 10:40:24 AM
The "heart disease" part is also partly caused by air pollution. Particulates in the air stress the heart and lungs.

The pollution in China is so bad that it drifts over the ocean and causes smog in Japan. Adding the other types of pollution in with the air pollution and it's gonna be a big pain to get "clean".

I hope they can turn it around quickly, but I'm not holding my breath. People in China may want to, though...
 
2014-01-08 11:16:52 AM
Funny. I thought the #1 leading cause of death was life
 
2014-01-08 11:25:25 AM
Kind of on topic, but several years back, I read an article by a guy who lived in China for a while and took up smoking, because damn near everyone in China smoked, and their reasoning pretty much was "Well, it's so smoggy, might as well smoke. At least you are sucking air through a filter." So, his conclusion was pretty much "When in China, smoke! It's great!"

/Dumbass...
 
2014-01-08 11:30:52 AM

mccallcl: Sure there is: products that improve air quality for the breather, like masks and air filters.


That's not a solution; that's end-point process.  The commons remains depleted so it doesn't even qualify as mitigation.  By that logic a wild animal is nothing more than unprocessed meat. . . which I guess is exactly how a free-market derphead would define any animal life. . . OK I think I see where this is going. . . never mind, carry on.

cwolf20: I thought the #1 leading cause of death was life


Something can be "dead" without ever having been alive.  We call Mars a "dead" planet and it's looking likely that life had nothing to do with it.  Also, old joke.
 
2014-01-08 11:34:35 AM

dragonchild: mccallcl: Sure there is: products that improve air quality for the breather, like masks and air filters.

That's not a solution; that's end-point process.  The commons remains depleted so it doesn't even qualify as mitigation.  By that logic a wild animal is nothing more than unprocessed meat. . . which I guess is exactly how a free-market derphead would define any animal life. . . OK I think I see where this is going. . . never mind, carry on.

cwolf20: I thought the #1 leading cause of death was life

Something can be "dead" without ever having been alive.  We call Mars a "dead" planet and it's looking likely that life had nothing to do with it.  Also, old joke.


True.  It's still more accurate, and less funny than people think. I've lost too many people in the past year to laugh over it.
 
2014-01-08 12:19:32 PM

AlwaysRightBoy: Gunny Highway: AlwaysRightBoy: Gunny Highway: [gorirajkumari.files.wordpress.com image 600x600]

Problem solved.  Get back to work.

My wife and I are heading to Beijing and Shanghai in three weeks, already bought a supply. Looking forward to the country, not looking forward to the pollution.

Have fun.  I have never been but it is certainly on the list.  If it is a vacation, I hope you make it to some places where you dont need the masks!

Thanks. The great Wall and the Ming tombs will be clear viewing.


Are you getting there in time for the new year stuff (Jan 31 this year)?  The fireworks displays can be awesome.
 
2014-01-08 02:49:04 PM
My folks just got back from China last week and they say the smog is insane. Can't see 10ft in front of themselves in Shanghai.

They both got sick from breathing in all that pollution for just a few weeks. Yesh!
 
2014-01-08 08:52:27 PM
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Archery Tower at night with the pollution. It is a fact of life. If you are out about 4 hours you begin to get a wheeze. When the expats put on the masks you laugh. When the locals put on the masks you get serious. In the theaters you can see the air between you and the screen. At the opera you can see it between you and the stage. On the metro you can see it down the platform. I tend to stay indoors during the bad days. The masks do not work on the pollution. The particle size is too small. Indoor air filters are rare and expats bring them with them from the states.
 
2014-01-08 09:29:26 PM

SansNeural: AlwaysRightBoy: Gunny Highway: AlwaysRightBoy: Gunny Highway: [gorirajkumari.files.wordpress.com image 600x600]

Problem solved.  Get back to work.

My wife and I are heading to Beijing and Shanghai in three weeks, already bought a supply. Looking forward to the country, not looking forward to the pollution.

Have fun.  I have never been but it is certainly on the list.  If it is a vacation, I hope you make it to some places where you dont need the masks!

Thanks. The great Wall and the Ming tombs will be clear viewing.

Are you getting there in time for the new year stuff (Jan 31 this year)?  The fireworks displays can be awesome.


Missing it by a week. Damn.
 
2014-01-08 09:34:40 PM

volodya: Archery Tower at night with the pollution. It is a fact of life. If you are out about 4 hours you begin to get a wheeze. When the expats put on the masks you laugh. When the locals put on the masks you get serious. In the theaters you can see the air between you and the screen. At the opera you can see it between you and the stage. On the metro you can see it down the platform. I tend to stay indoors during the bad days. The masks do not work on the pollution. The particle size is too small. Indoor air filters are rare and expats bring them with them from the states.


Can you give any additional advice for someone who already has slight breathing problems that will be there for ten days?

I'm already going to my doctor for second hep shot, should I ask for some inhalers?

Any info would help.
 
2014-01-08 10:37:51 PM

AlwaysRightBoy: volodya: Archery Tower at night with the pollution. It is a fact of life. If you are out about 4 hours you begin to get a wheeze. When the expats put on the masks you laugh. When the locals put on the masks you get serious. In the theaters you can see the air between you and the screen. At the opera you can see it between you and the stage. On the metro you can see it down the platform. I tend to stay indoors during the bad days. The masks do not work on the pollution. The particle size is too small. Indoor air filters are rare and expats bring them with them from the states.

Can you give any additional advice for someone who already has slight breathing problems that will be there for ten days?

I'm already going to my doctor for second hep shot, should I ask for some inhalers?

Any info would help.


I haven't been back to China in over 10 years, but that last time I was blowing gray/black phlegm outta my nose after just 2 or 3 hours of tourism and wife-forced "shopping" (this was in Beijing long before the Olympics).  The bad thing about my story is that the air was relatively clean back then.  I can't travel to China any more, but my wife and kids have gone there several times over the years and have brought back wonderful pictures of some nice, clean-air places they visited.

Perhaps seek some professional China tour guidance now before you go (if you haven't already).

I hope you have a great time there.
 
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