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2014-01-08 02:25:55 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-01-08 03:07:22 AM  

Ivo Shandor: [i.imgur.com image 444x307]


wrong. you should make time to know what your gov is going.

fc08.deviantart.net
 
2014-01-08 05:02:31 AM  
Really interesting. And more than a little scary
 
2014-01-08 05:14:15 AM  

some_beer_drinker: Ivo Shandor: [i.imgur.com image 444x307]

wrong. you should make time to know what your gov is going.

[fc08.deviantart.net image 500x375]


Which episode is that, and is THAT the first African-American-white interracial kiss on TV???

/now that would be an interesting rewrite of commonly-accepted facts
//don't know much of my TOS trivia
 
2014-01-08 05:34:40 AM  
We have always been at war with Eastasia.
 
2014-01-08 05:55:09 AM  
We have achieved a stunning victory against our age old nemesis Eurasia with the aid of our old ally Eastasia
 
2014-01-08 06:17:29 AM  
Well worth watching.

/not that I understood half of it, of course
 
2014-01-08 06:24:26 AM  
sorry, net too clogged full of a stream of encrypted UDP packets to watch.
 
2014-01-08 06:33:27 AM  
I am far more interested in talking about how a male assholes are not appealing to me while female vaginas are
 
2014-01-08 06:35:53 AM  
The slides. Link

Some of this stuff is pretty incredible.
 
2014-01-08 06:43:15 AM  
An agency that watches everything you do is looking for any excuse to arrest you and imprison you.
 
2014-01-08 06:53:49 AM  
Ditto for the NRO and the CIA.
 
2014-01-08 06:58:06 AM  
"In linux if this device is plugged in, it detects it and automatically locks itself"

Why am I not surprised that anything that beats security is linux based.  Same thing with Tor and it's OS T.A.I.L.S. is based on (debian)
 
2014-01-08 07:33:08 AM  
Bookmarked for later.
 
2014-01-08 07:56:36 AM  
Can't some moderately funded independent group (possibly based in another country) do teardowns of random samplings of hardware to get a sense of how widespread this is?

I can understand the US government having the means to slip this under everyone's noses in the first place, but now that it's known, is it really possible for it to also be completely invisible?
 
2014-01-08 07:58:22 AM  

Yankees Team Gynecologist: Can't some moderately funded independent group (possibly based in another country) do teardowns of random samplings of hardware to get a sense of how widespread this is?

I can understand the US government having the means to slip this under everyone's noses in the first place, but now that it's known, is it really possible for it to also be completely invisible?


Same goes for similar practices by other countries, by the way (China, Russia, etc.) that we always figured were going on.
 
2014-01-08 08:03:31 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Ditto for the NRO and the CIA.


I don't worry about the NRO.  Their bailiwick is PHOTOINT, mainly from satellites, manned aircraft, and drones.
 
2014-01-08 08:10:26 AM  
It's okay.  Obama said he's going to fix it.  You have nothing to worry about.
 
2014-01-08 08:20:22 AM  
I don't want to know what the goverment is doing, because I know it doesn't matter. Nothing we do can change it..

Look at all the executive orders Obama has put in place, gitmo still open..troops still in places we have no business in..and he is suppose to be the liberal one...
 
2014-01-08 08:21:39 AM  

tbhouston: and he is suppose to be the liberal one...


Only to conservatives.
 
2014-01-08 08:23:52 AM  

tbhouston: I don't want to know what the goverment is doing, because I know it doesn't matter. Nothing we do can change it..

Look at all the executive orders Obama has put in place, gitmo still open..troops still in places we have no business in..and he is suppose to be the liberal one...


The status quo has to be maintained regardless of party boundaries...
 
2014-01-08 08:28:20 AM  
Never get involved in a ground war with Eastasia.
 
2014-01-08 08:29:11 AM  
www.commentslive.com
 
2014-01-08 08:40:21 AM  
There is no loyalty except loyalty to the party.  There is no love except love of Big Brother.  All competing pleasures, we shall destroy.
 
2014-01-08 08:44:48 AM  

Peki: some_beer_drinker: Ivo Shandor: [i.imgur.com image 444x307]

wrong. you should make time to know what your gov is going.

[fc08.deviantart.net image 500x375]

Which episode is that, and is THAT the first African-American-white interracial kiss on TV???

/now that would be an interesting rewrite of commonly-accepted facts
//don't know much of my TOS trivia


I believe it's from the 1st season episode "What Are Little Girls Made Of?", which predates the Kirk/Uhura smootch by two seasons.
 
2014-01-08 08:46:06 AM  
Love the way the mods are removing any classified images from the thread
 
2014-01-08 08:47:20 AM  
I've been reading right-wing outbursts such as "Obama's invasive spy state" and that makes me laugh.  I don't give him a pass on this crap, he's in it up to his eyebrows, but they talk as if it's a problem he created, and they would drop that talk one millisecond after they got one of their own into the White House again.

Anyway, the reason this stuff is now so pervasive is because we've been so apathetic about it for so long.  We continued to doze as these programs moved forward bit by bit, and we dozed through the periodic revelations of what was happening.  Frontline ran a piece probably six years ago in which telephone company employees warned that the companies were teaming with the government to spy on everything that went across the wires.  It was either scoffed at, or ignored, or people said, "If you've done nothing wrong, what are you worried about?"

I think the answer to that question will become more sharply defined over the next several years.
 
2014-01-08 08:55:43 AM  

DammitIForgotMyLogin: Love the way the mods are removing any classified images from the thread


The post in question was removed at the request of the person who posted it, not because of the image, but because he made a comment that he realized afterwards was incorrect.
 
2014-01-08 09:02:28 AM  

Unfreakable: DammitIForgotMyLogin: Love the way the mods are removing any classified images from the thread

The post in question was removed at the request of the person who posted it, not because of the image, but because he made a comment that he realized afterwards was incorrect.


Aah, my apologies then
 
2014-01-08 09:06:13 AM  

DammitIForgotMyLogin: Unfreakable: DammitIForgotMyLogin: Love the way the mods are removing any classified images from the thread

The post in question was removed at the request of the person who posted it, not because of the image, but because he made a comment that he realized afterwards was incorrect.

Aah, my apologies then


No worries, just wanted to clarify.
 
2014-01-08 09:07:02 AM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: The slides. Link

Some of this stuff is pretty incredible.



Thanks for the link to a slideshow. Videos are made by people who don't want anyone to check their citations.

I clicked on "firewall". The claim was that the NSA has an insert (Jetplow) that enables access. Their source: NSA/CSSM 1-52.
Problem: a search through the OCR'ed NSA/CSSM 1-52 makes no mention of either the terms "firewall" or "jetplow".

My only question: what are the people who made this video selling? I'm guessing they have some product that makes your information safe from NSA?
 
2014-01-08 09:07:09 AM  
Anyone who has posted in this thread should be jailed and YouTube should be arrested for treason.  If all offending material is not removed from the internet within the next five minutes, you can look forward to having 95 Republicans in the Senate this November.  I don't care if that's not legally possible and I don't care if it's bribery.  The only way to protect freedom is to take it away from you cretins.
 
2014-01-08 09:11:42 AM  

Unfreakable: The post in question was removed at the request of the person who posted it, not because of the image, but because he made a comment that he realized afterwards was incorrect.


Now, I KNOW you're lyin'. This is FARK, after all. Accuracy in posting has never been a big requirement.

;)
 
2014-01-08 09:16:39 AM  

draypresct: Videos are made by people who don't want anyone to check their citations.


The video is from a conference and the NSA slides he uses were put online the same morning he gave his presentation. He mentions they're up at Der Spiegel multiple times.

draypresct: My only question: what are the people who made this video selling? I'm guessing they have some product that makes your information safe from NSA?


What makes you think they're selling anything? It's a presentation given at the Chaos Communication Congress, not an infomercial. I think you're overly suspicious of the wrong people here, chief.
 
2014-01-08 09:17:16 AM  

Madbassist1: Now, I KNOW you're lyin'. This is FARK, after all. Accuracy in posting has never been a big requirement.

;)


Haha, true. We don't yank posts for inaccuracy, but periodically people request that a post be pulled and we try to oblige.
 
2014-01-08 09:26:14 AM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: draypresct: My only question: what are the people who made this video selling? I'm guessing they have some product that makes your information safe from NSA?

What makes you think they're selling anything? It's a presentation given at the Chaos Communication Congress, not an infomercial. I think you're overly suspicious of the wrong people here, chief.


Their citation didn't check out. I think I'm just the right amount of suspicious.

Or is it just the one I mentioned? Have you checked their citations and found them generally valid?
 
2014-01-08 09:27:58 AM  

Unfreakable: Madbassist1: Now, I KNOW you're lyin'. This is FARK, after all. Accuracy in posting has never been a big requirement.

;)

Haha, true. We don't yank posts for inaccuracy, but periodically people request that a post be pulled and we try to oblige.


I should try that sometime. It's pretty embarrassing to submit a "never mind . . . turns out I'm a moron" post.

/This is why we all use aliases.
 
2014-01-08 09:32:18 AM  

draypresct: Their citation didn't check out.


What citation? The slides they used are in that link. I don't know what you're referring to.
 
2014-01-08 09:46:57 AM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: draypresct: Their citation didn't check out.

What citation? The slides they used are in that link. I don't know what you're referring to.


My Weeners to you in this thread described this.

On the firewall slide, they state that their claim that NSA has inserted 'jetplow' into commercial firewalls was 'derived' from NSA/CSSM 1-52. The problem is that neither the term "firewall" nor "jetplow" is mentioned in the document cited. Check out the link to the NSA/CSSM document in my post above - did I miss something?
 
2014-01-08 09:55:13 AM  

draypresct: On the firewall slide, they state that their claim that NSA has inserted 'jetplow' into commercial firewalls was 'derived' from NSA/CSSM 1-52. The problem is that neither the term "firewall" nor "jetplow" is mentioned in the document cited. Check out the link to the NSA/CSSM document in my post above - did I miss something?


Are you missing the fact that the slides are Top Secret and that NSA doc is publicly available? You think NSA is going to advertise its Top Secret capabilities? That's why this info is such a big deal, cause it was secret.
 
2014-01-08 09:56:47 AM  

draypresct: Unfreakable: Madbassist1: Now, I KNOW you're lyin'. This is FARK, after all. Accuracy in posting has never been a big requirement.

;)

Haha, true. We don't yank posts for inaccuracy, but periodically people request that a post be pulled and we try to oblige.

I should try that sometime. It's pretty embarrassing to submit a "never mind . . . turns out I'm a moron" post.

/This is why we all use aliases.


I would think more highly of someone who apologized for inaccuracies in a post than someone who went behind the scenes and requested the admins toss the offending post into the memory hole.
 
2014-01-08 10:07:33 AM  

Shostie: I would think more highly of someone who apologized for inaccuracies in a post than someone who went behind the scenes and requested the admins toss the offending post into the memory hole.


If a person did it all the time, we probably wouldn't. But if a person posts something to make a point, realizes right after posting that it's inaccurate and asks us politely to take it out to avoid a threadjack on the inaccuracy, I don't have an issue with that.
 
2014-01-08 10:25:27 AM  

draypresct: Dusk-You-n-Me: draypresct: Their citation didn't check out.

What citation? The slides they used are in that link. I don't know what you're referring to.

My Weeners to you in this thread described this.

On the firewall slide, they state that their claim that NSA has inserted 'jetplow' into commercial firewalls was 'derived' from NSA/CSSM 1-52. The problem is that neither the term "firewall" nor "jetplow" is mentioned in the document cited. Check out the link to the NSA/CSSM document in my post above - did I miss something?


Looks like NSA/CSSM 1-52 is a policy document and that jetplow is "derived from" might as well be read as "in accordance with".  Well, that's my guess.
 
2014-01-08 10:35:23 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Ditto for the NRO and the CIA.


National Review Online? Conservative pricks.

Also,

pikof.com

/oblig
 
2014-01-08 10:40:08 AM  
No one cares about this stuff. Half the country gets more worked up about Duck Dynasty and the other half has been bought off with the promise of cheap healthcare.
 
2014-01-08 10:43:12 AM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: draypresct: On the firewall slide, they state that their claim that NSA has inserted 'jetplow' into commercial firewalls was 'derived' from NSA/CSSM 1-52. The problem is that neither the term "firewall" nor "jetplow" is mentioned in the document cited. Check out the link to the NSA/CSSM document in my post above - did I miss something?

Are you missing the fact that the slides are Top Secret and that NSA doc is publicly available? You think NSA is going to advertise its Top Secret capabilities? That's why this info is such a big deal, cause it was secret?


My first reaction to stuff like this is to try to check the source. In your link, there's an infographic. I click on "firewall", and it brings up a description of what a firewall is, and some claims about NSA's activities. Below it, there's a more detailed description, which has at the bottom that this was 'derived from NSA/CSSM 1-52'. This is the closest thing I found to a citation for any of this, and it didn't check out.

Is the author claiming that these claims came directly from the NSA? If not, where did the author get them from? I'm just trying to figure out whether this is just a video version of someone's blog post or whether they've done any actual investigative journalism.
 
2014-01-08 10:53:05 AM  

draypresct: Dusk-You-n-Me: draypresct: On the firewall slide, they state that their claim that NSA has inserted 'jetplow' into commercial firewalls was 'derived' from NSA/CSSM 1-52. The problem is that neither the term "firewall" nor "jetplow" is mentioned in the document cited. Check out the link to the NSA/CSSM document in my post above - did I miss something?

Are you missing the fact that the slides are Top Secret and that NSA doc is publicly available? You think NSA is going to advertise its Top Secret capabilities? That's why this info is such a big deal, cause it was secret?

My first reaction to stuff like this is to try to check the source. In your link, there's an infographic. I click on "firewall", and it brings up a description of what a firewall is, and some claims about NSA's activities. Below it, there's a more detailed description, which has at the bottom that this was 'derived from NSA/CSSM 1-52'. This is the closest thing I found to a citation for any of this, and it didn't check out.

Is the author claiming that these claims came directly from the NSA? If not, where did the author get them from? I'm just trying to figure out whether this is just a video version of someone's blog post or whether they've done any actual investigative journalism.


Slides supposedly directly from NSA that all reference that policy document.  As I said earlier these things are more "in accordance with" than technologically "derived from".

Also, just google some of the NSA "product" names, jetplow, nightstand, etc.  Add the keyword "NSA" to your search.
 
2014-01-08 10:53:34 AM  

draypresct: I'm just trying to figure out whether this is just a video version of someone's blog post or whether they've done any actual investigative journalism.


These are the documents from Snowden. The slides the presenter used were put up on Der Spiegel the same day. He even talks about working with them to black out certain names and information, to protect both the targeters and the targets. If you'd watch the presentation or paid any attention to it you'd have found answers to all of these unnecessary questions.
 
2014-01-08 11:27:45 AM  

SansNeural: Slides supposedly directly from NSA that all reference that policy document. As I said earlier these things are more "in accordance with" than technologically "derived from".


Thanks - the 'in accordance with' explanation makes sense.

The blog post you linked to is based on a Speigel article. Side rant: If all this is based on an actual article, then why link to a YouTube video, a blog post, etc. all referencing this one article?

I'll be willing to assume Speigel is doing journalism. Thanks for helping clear this up.

From the article, it sounds like the NSA has been working on the ability to break into computer systems for a while, now. I think it's important to distinguish the idea that they're capable of doing this (which is their job) from the idea that they are doing so inappropriately.

Spying on allies is marginally inappropriate, but not shockingly so.
Spying on US citizens' phone calls and e-mails without a warrent is inappropriate, much as reading their regular mail would be. On the other hand, it's completely appropriate for the government to read the envelope and to know the physical location of your mailbox, especially when we ask them to. Most of the big claims about 'spying' on US citizens have been envelope and mailbox-level, not content.
 
2014-01-08 11:35:48 AM  

tbhouston: I don't want to know what the goverment is doing, because I know it doesn't matter. Nothing we do can change it.


When did the un-American thing to say become the patriotic thing to say?
 
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