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(Military.com)   Master Chief suspended for sexual assault claims. I'm going to guess teabagging   (military.com) divider line 14
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2014-01-08 11:10:57 AM
2 votes:
dj_bigbird:

My wife is active duty Navy and this little story is pretty accurate.

So, we can assume that your wife is just waiting for the chance to accuse someone falsely if she gets an assignment she doesn't like or does she just happen to be the exception? (because that is what you are saying is pretty accurate)
2014-01-08 10:10:06 AM
2 votes:
Glad my MOS was chick free when I served. I can't imagine having to command much less work with women in the military were right now even an unproven allegation is basically career ending, on top of having to deal with deal the pregnancy impacting manpower availability issues. You'd have to treat them with kids gloves just hoping you don't piss one off enough that she decides to accuse you of something.

1stSgt: Cpl Jones you have the DNCO this Saturday.

Cpl Jones: But I have plans

1stSgt: You are next on the duty roster, with get somebody to trade with you are you pulling it.

Cpl Jones: The 1stSgt sexually harassed me.
2014-01-08 08:24:32 PM
1 votes:

JBangworthy: I see that you missed the point.  Entirely.  I'll help you.

[help]


Riiiiiiiight. The thing is, when the subject turns to how "the system" is helping sneaky lying women cut the balls off honest men, the people critical of the system always seem to have an anecdote or three. Friends, friends of friends, something they heard on G. Gordon Liddy's show, or--to hear you tell it--a couple of guys at Pearl Harbor. This being Fark, I wouldn't bet more than a dollar that you've been there as anything other than a tourist, but that's not really the point. The point is--your point is--

1) There's a system in place to make the military, a pretty rapey institution for a long time, less rapey
2) Some evil woman, you're pretty sure, abused that system for her own evil ends, therefore
3) the system is bad, and maybe even the idea behind the system is bad.

My point is that victims of rape, sexual assault, sexual harassment, sex discrimination, and basically everything that boils down to a guy thinking he can maybe get away with shiat vs. a woman because of the particular circumstances--they know that having the  right to complain isn't the same thing as having the  ability to complain. Especially if there are enough guys out there whose first reaction to reports of these things is, "Pfff, everyone knows these are mostly just revenge plots. What are the odds that  this one doesn't just have her panties in a bunch?"

Please help yourself by thinking a little more in the future.

Aye aye, Master Chief.
2014-01-08 02:23:18 PM
1 votes:

JBangworthy: One of the most common of the 26,000 (absurd estimate) sexual assaults probably goes something like this


Well if it PROBABLY goes like that, then that's definitely something I want to draw conclusions on.  Had you said something weaker like "possibly" I would have said you're crazy.

JBangworthy: The work climate gets relaxed, a lot of grab ass goes on, things get too casual.


Haha yeah, I know that happens at my work all the time.  One moment my boss is asking me about my kids and telling me about her holiday break and the next moment we're grabbing each others asses.  These things just happen.
2014-01-08 12:52:19 PM
1 votes:
When I was in (80's/early 90's), the biggest problem the Navy had... was itself. They couldn't (and apparently still can't) figure out integration.

For ex:  Let's say an enlisted came to me and wanted to have a personal conversation (we used to designate it by covering the rank on our sleeve with a hand... 'off-record'). If they screwed up, we could talk about how to use the system to get back on track, or if there were personal/personnel issues, quietly make 'adjustments'.

All of this was private - behind closed doors.

But. By the rules, none of that was possible if the enlisted individual was female. Hell, I wasn't even supposed to be alone behind closed doors, let alone talk about anything personal. I just ignored the rules - much to my Master Chief's dismay - because I knew I wasn't trying to play grab-ass, and trust is a big big deal. Yes it made me vulnerable to someone wigging out and accusing me, but they never did.

Real life examples:

A salior had a real drinking problem - even for a sailor. The stress of the job was killing him; the Navy was going to put him out (zero tolerance policy). He came to me, we went through the system and I got him into a level two drug & alcohol program. When he came back to the command, I kept an eye on him. When it looked like the stress was getting to him, I took him out to dinner, a movie - gave him tools on how to unwind (w/o alcohol); and he became a squared away sailor - a keeper and grateful for another chance, not thrown out like so much garbage.

A female sailor had a real problem (personal - none of your damn business :>p). The stress of the job was killing her, the Navy was going to put her out. She came to me, I made a few quiet inquiries, got them mostly resolved or at least minimized. Kept an eye on her, when it looked like the stress was getting to her, I took her out to dinner and a movie; gave her the tools on how to unwind - she became a squared away sailor - a keeper and grateful for another chance, not thrown out like so much garbage.

So what's the difference between the two? The command hauled my ass to the carpet - saying what the hell are you thinking, you a married man, seen out in public with a young woman in the command at the restaurant and theater (intelligence personnel in particular rat out their own).

I said to the Master Chief: 'I took Petty Officer 'Smith' (male enlisted w/ the drinking problem above) the weekend before - you don't think I'm farking him in the ass do you?'

I once got thrown out of a mandatory base wide sexual harassment briefing (thanks Tailhook) - I did the entire shift's job until it was over. The XO tried to publicly embarrass me because I wasn't taking the briefing seriously. They'd picked the command's only female Chief to lead the briefing. I asked her: 'Two questions: In the history of this command, has there ever been a single case of sexual harassment?' She answered: 'I went back as far as the records went - a couple decades - and couldn't find a single case.' 'OK, Look me in the eye, and tell me you don't feel you have to give 120% just to 'feel' equal, and I'll shut up.'

And to her credit, she sat down; refused to give the rest of the brief. Wow, was the XO pissed.

/I always received great yearly evaluations, brilliant at the job, yada yada, but always took hits on military bearing...
//flip side: I got a call from halfway around the world. Someone that knew me called and asked about a female admin who'd just transferred there from our base. I may, may, have seen her four times and spoken thirty words to her in the two years we were at the same facility. And yet she felt the need to state that I was farking everything with a heartbeat when she was there (exact quote). Some people just like to make shiat up.
2014-01-08 12:43:45 PM
1 votes:

whosits_112: LoneWolf343: whosits_112: notto: macadamnut: The Navy is the ultimate alpha male career path. It's for the toughest and strongest, both physically and mentally. These men live by a warrior's code, something you probably cannot begin to understand.

So, mentally strong alpha males can't help themselves from raping or assaulting females?  You are right.  I cannot begin to understand that.

I can tell you, that not all sailors are raping scumbags. My six years in, I didn't rape or assault anyone.

The fact that there are any is cause for concern.

I agree with you on that one.


Indeed.  That argument always baffled me:  "these men are unreconstructed barbarians with poor impulse control, which is why we should put them in charge of the most dangerous weaponry in the world."
2014-01-08 11:11:43 AM
1 votes:

JBangworthy: Oh, and the other "sexual assaults" were inappropriate touching.


Yes, that is the definition of assault.  Spitting on someone is also assault.
2014-01-08 11:07:07 AM
1 votes:

dj_bigbird: noitsnot: hasty ambush: Glad my MOS was chick free when I served. I can't imagine having to command much less work with women in the military were right now even an unproven allegation is basically career ending, on top of having to deal with deal the pregnancy impacting manpower availability issues. You'd have to treat them with kids gloves just hoping you don't piss one off enough that she decides to accuse you of something.

1stSgt: Cpl Jones you have the DNCO this Saturday.

Cpl Jones: But I have plans

1stSgt: You are next on the duty roster, with get somebody to trade with you are you pulling it.

Cpl Jones: The 1stSgt sexually harassed me.


I have you tagged a 'retarded', and I'm glad to see it's holding up well.

My wife is active duty Navy and this little story is pretty accurate.


I do not disbelieve that some female soldiers probably exploit the rules, and that is a problem that needs to be addressed. At the same time, I question the intentions of someone who makes this kind of allegation right off the bat, and who seem to take the general view that such occurrences deserve much more consideration than the problem of the rapes themselves.
2014-01-08 10:41:39 AM
1 votes:

macadamnut: The Navy is the ultimate alpha male career path. It's for the toughest and strongest, both physically and mentally. These men live by a warrior's code, something you probably cannot begin to understand.


I can understand something that a lot of these guys can't seem to grasp, though.

The meaning of the word "No."
2014-01-08 10:30:52 AM
1 votes:

The Southern Dandy: hasty ambush: Glad my MOS was chick free when I served. I can't imagine having to command much less work with women in the military were right now even an unproven allegation is basically career ending, on top of having to deal with deal the pregnancy impacting manpower availability issues. You'd have to treat them with kids gloves just hoping you don't piss one off enough that she decides to accuse you of something.

1stSgt: Cpl Jones you have the DNCO this Saturday.

Cpl Jones: But I have plans

1stSgt: You are next on the duty roster, with get somebody to trade with you are you pulling it.

Cpl Jones: The 1stSgt sexually harassed me.

JAG: Meh, STFU and GBTW

FTFY



Except now you have Congress and the White House intervening, holding up the promotions of officers (even female officers) who they feel are not treating the accusations seriously enough.

It has reached the point that have a situation were it may be difficult for the accused to get a fair trial because of 'Unlawful Command Influence'

2014-01-08 10:20:06 AM
1 votes:

PanicMan: Cozret: The comment section is full of the predictable stupid.

Why did you tell me that? Now I have to read it...


It's DerpFactor 7.8 in there. Kind of like Freeper Lite...
2014-01-08 10:04:57 AM
1 votes:
While I know he was going for a Halo reference, the odds of the Master Chief having literally teabagging someone at some point during his career is actually quite high.
2014-01-08 09:56:28 AM
1 votes:

Cozret: The comment section is full of the predictable stupid.


Why did you tell me that? Now I have to read it...
2014-01-08 09:49:31 AM
1 votes:
The comment section is full of the predictable stupid.
 
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