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2014-01-08 11:37:01 AM

JBangworthy: It's guaranteed, consequence-free revenge.


Oh, man. Go out drinking with your sisters* sometime. About three rounds in, say this: "Things have been really stressful at the office lately. Some lady accused some guy of sexually harassing her. They didn't believe her, but she's just going to get away with it, no consequences."

You will be educated on the subject of "consequences" for people who report sexual harassment (etc.), although fair warning, depending on how physically demonstrative your family is, you may also get kicked in the balls. I'd wear a cup just to be safe.

* may not work if they, too, are spiteful, backstabbing whores
 
2014-01-08 11:38:25 AM

macadamnut: The Navy is the ultimate alpha male career path. It's for the toughest and strongest, both physically and mentally. These men live by a warrior's code, something you probably cannot begin to understand.


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2014-01-08 11:40:24 AM

dbrunker: Ever wonder what Master Chief looks like under that helmet?


I'd....teabag that?
/that's okay to say cuz she's fem, eh?
//fark it...
///yeah, i'd do that too...
 
2014-01-08 11:46:21 AM
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2014-01-08 12:02:58 PM

notto: hasty ambush: Glad my MOS was chick free when I served. I can't imagine having to command much less work with women in the military were right now even an unproven allegation is basically career ending, on top of having to deal with deal the pregnancy impacting manpower availability issues. You'd have to treat them with kids gloves just hoping you don't piss one off enough that she decides to accuse you of something.

It is nice to see you think so highly of women who make the same decision to serve as you did.  I'm guessing that the women serving were lucky your MOS was chick free as well.  Probably saved them from a rape or two, right?


Actually the best helicopter pilot  (Huey) I ever new was female along withe best comm. officer.  But neither them ever left their command shorthanded, missing a deployment and leaving their fellow members to take up the slack why they went a played mommy.  When I was in females who became pregnant were discharged.  Either be a mommy or a professional in the military , you can't do both because the child and service both end  up getting short changed if you try. No you can't have it all.


Just as in the civilian world the real incidences of rape are far lower than what is claimed by the feminist agenda.


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2014-01-08 12:10:02 PM

LoneWolf343: lennavan: hasty ambush: Glad my MOS was chick free when I served. I can't imagine having to command much less work with women in the military were right now even an unproven allegation is basically career ending, on top of having to deal with deal the pregnancy impacting manpower availability issues.

Hehe yeah, your imaginary world where women are crying rape to have Saturday night free is truly terrifying compared to a few tens of thousands of women being sexually assaulted in the military every year and 92% of them getting away with it.

The solution is definitely to remove women from the military.  WTF were they thinking, having those tits?

And gay rape totally never happened!


When I was in there was a rumor that the JAG was investigating some cases of sexual intimidation going on at the female barracks at MCRD San Diego in the early 80s.
 
2014-01-08 12:12:34 PM
hasty ambush:

the feminist agenda, the ultimate aim of which is to create a sexual terrain where women can repeatedly and with impunity rape hasty ambush. Be afraid.
 
2014-01-08 12:13:53 PM

Arkanaut: Guys, guys, I think macadamnut is kidding.

//use of "warrior's code" tripped the sarcasmometer.


I give him an 8/10 on the trolling meter for all the responses he got. Im also guessing he got the warrior code thing from the incognito/martin bullying threads.
 
2014-01-08 12:14:20 PM

LoneWolf343: whosits_112: notto: macadamnut: The Navy is the ultimate alpha male career path. It's for the toughest and strongest, both physically and mentally. These men live by a warrior's code, something you probably cannot begin to understand.

So, mentally strong alpha males can't help themselves from raping or assaulting females?  You are right.  I cannot begin to understand that.

I can tell you, that not all sailors are raping scumbags. My six years in, I didn't rape or assault anyone.

The fact that there are any is cause for concern.


I agree with you on that one.
 
2014-01-08 12:20:01 PM

djZorbof: Didn't know you could do that to an AI hologram.


What an Al Hologram might look like

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2014-01-08 12:22:00 PM
djZorbof: Didn't know you could do that to an AI hologram.

What an Al Hologram might look like

i39.tinypic.com

/Really should have previewed that...
 
2014-01-08 12:42:20 PM

Igor Jakovsky: Arkanaut: Guys, guys, I think macadamnut is kidding.

//use of "warrior's code" tripped the sarcasmometer.

I give him an 8/10 on the trolling meter for all the responses he got. Im also guessing he got the warrior code thing from the incognito/martin bullying threads.


I thought it was older than that -- seemed like the Incognito threads were referencing something that was an established meme at least here if not around the internet (i.e. stolen from Reddit).
 
2014-01-08 12:43:45 PM

whosits_112: LoneWolf343: whosits_112: notto: macadamnut: The Navy is the ultimate alpha male career path. It's for the toughest and strongest, both physically and mentally. These men live by a warrior's code, something you probably cannot begin to understand.

So, mentally strong alpha males can't help themselves from raping or assaulting females?  You are right.  I cannot begin to understand that.

I can tell you, that not all sailors are raping scumbags. My six years in, I didn't rape or assault anyone.

The fact that there are any is cause for concern.

I agree with you on that one.


Indeed.  That argument always baffled me:  "these men are unreconstructed barbarians with poor impulse control, which is why we should put them in charge of the most dangerous weaponry in the world."
 
2014-01-08 12:52:19 PM
When I was in (80's/early 90's), the biggest problem the Navy had... was itself. They couldn't (and apparently still can't) figure out integration.

For ex:  Let's say an enlisted came to me and wanted to have a personal conversation (we used to designate it by covering the rank on our sleeve with a hand... 'off-record'). If they screwed up, we could talk about how to use the system to get back on track, or if there were personal/personnel issues, quietly make 'adjustments'.

All of this was private - behind closed doors.

But. By the rules, none of that was possible if the enlisted individual was female. Hell, I wasn't even supposed to be alone behind closed doors, let alone talk about anything personal. I just ignored the rules - much to my Master Chief's dismay - because I knew I wasn't trying to play grab-ass, and trust is a big big deal. Yes it made me vulnerable to someone wigging out and accusing me, but they never did.

Real life examples:

A salior had a real drinking problem - even for a sailor. The stress of the job was killing him; the Navy was going to put him out (zero tolerance policy). He came to me, we went through the system and I got him into a level two drug & alcohol program. When he came back to the command, I kept an eye on him. When it looked like the stress was getting to him, I took him out to dinner, a movie - gave him tools on how to unwind (w/o alcohol); and he became a squared away sailor - a keeper and grateful for another chance, not thrown out like so much garbage.

A female sailor had a real problem (personal - none of your damn business :>p). The stress of the job was killing her, the Navy was going to put her out. She came to me, I made a few quiet inquiries, got them mostly resolved or at least minimized. Kept an eye on her, when it looked like the stress was getting to her, I took her out to dinner and a movie; gave her the tools on how to unwind - she became a squared away sailor - a keeper and grateful for another chance, not thrown out like so much garbage.

So what's the difference between the two? The command hauled my ass to the carpet - saying what the hell are you thinking, you a married man, seen out in public with a young woman in the command at the restaurant and theater (intelligence personnel in particular rat out their own).

I said to the Master Chief: 'I took Petty Officer 'Smith' (male enlisted w/ the drinking problem above) the weekend before - you don't think I'm farking him in the ass do you?'

I once got thrown out of a mandatory base wide sexual harassment briefing (thanks Tailhook) - I did the entire shift's job until it was over. The XO tried to publicly embarrass me because I wasn't taking the briefing seriously. They'd picked the command's only female Chief to lead the briefing. I asked her: 'Two questions: In the history of this command, has there ever been a single case of sexual harassment?' She answered: 'I went back as far as the records went - a couple decades - and couldn't find a single case.' 'OK, Look me in the eye, and tell me you don't feel you have to give 120% just to 'feel' equal, and I'll shut up.'

And to her credit, she sat down; refused to give the rest of the brief. Wow, was the XO pissed.

/I always received great yearly evaluations, brilliant at the job, yada yada, but always took hits on military bearing...
//flip side: I got a call from halfway around the world. Someone that knew me called and asked about a female admin who'd just transferred there from our base. I may, may, have seen her four times and spoken thirty words to her in the two years we were at the same facility. And yet she felt the need to state that I was farking everything with a heartbeat when she was there (exact quote). Some people just like to make shiat up.
 
2014-01-08 01:36:50 PM

semiotix: JBangworthy: It's guaranteed, consequence-free revenge.

Oh, man. Go out drinking with your sisters* sometime. About three rounds in, say this: "Things have been really stressful at the office lately. Some lady accused some guy of sexually harassing her. They didn't believe her, but she's just going to get away with it, no consequences."

You will be educated on the subject of "consequences" for people who report sexual harassment (etc.), although fair warning, depending on how physically demonstrative your family is, you may also get kicked in the balls. I'd wear a cup just to be safe.

* may not work if they, too, are spiteful, backstabbing whores



I see that you missed the point.  Entirely.  I'll help you.

1)  I didn't mention "sexual harrassment."  I mentioned an accusation of sexual assault that could not have physically, geographically taken place.

2)  I could not understand why everyone, especially the women at command level, would not be outraged at the female sailor for making up this lie and jeopardizing the credibility of actual sexual assault reports.

3)  I don't care one bit about career backlash.  The women who made up these accusations should have been prosecuted.

Please help yourself by thinking a little more in the future.
 
2014-01-08 01:45:18 PM

LoneWolf343: JBangworthy: When I was stationed at Pearl Harbor there were four accusations of sexual assault in one year at my command.  In two cases, the guys proved that they weren't even on the island - either at sea or vacationing on a different island.  In those cases, both guys were still disciplined anyway.  Can you guess what happened to the female sailors?

Nothing.

It's not a surprise that reports are way way up.  It's guaranteed, consequence-free revenge.

Oh, and the other "sexual assaults" were inappropriate touching.

"If it's not yours, don't touch it. If it is yours, don't touch it in public."


I'll help you understand the point as well.  These media reports of "26,000 sexual assaults extrapolated from the data" makes it seem like soldiers, sailors and marines (airmen aren't interested in anything but video games) are nothing but rampant rapists, constantly on the prowl.

One of the most common of the 26,000 (absurd estimate) sexual assaults probably goes something like this.  The work climate gets relaxed, a lot of grab ass goes on, things get too casual.  One day, someone's pissed at someone else, and decides that some grabass that happened two weeks ago was a good example of a sexual assault, and reports it.

Are there actual rapes and other assaults that occur?  Yes, but it's not nearly what the media and dumbass politicians would have you believe.
 
2014-01-08 01:58:59 PM
whosits_112:

I can tell you, that not all sailors are raping scumbags. My six years in, I didn't rape or assault anyone.

You did cause a lot of butthurt, though. ;)
 
2014-01-08 01:59:34 PM

JBangworthy: LoneWolf343: JBangworthy: When I was stationed at Pearl Harbor there were four accusations of sexual assault in one year at my command.  In two cases, the guys proved that they weren't even on the island - either at sea or vacationing on a different island.  In those cases, both guys were still disciplined anyway.  Can you guess what happened to the female sailors?

Nothing.

It's not a surprise that reports are way way up.  It's guaranteed, consequence-free revenge.

Oh, and the other "sexual assaults" were inappropriate touching.

"If it's not yours, don't touch it. If it is yours, don't touch it in public."

I'll help you understand the point as well.  These media reports of "26,000 sexual assaults extrapolated from the data" makes it seem like soldiers, sailors and marines (airmen aren't interested in anything but video games) are nothing but rampant rapists, constantly on the prowl.

One of the most common of the 26,000 (absurd estimate) sexual assaults probably goes something like this.  The work climate gets relaxed, a lot of grab ass goes on, things get too casual.  One day, someone's pissed at someone else, and decides that some grabass that happened two weeks ago was a good example of a sexual assault, and reports it.

Are there actual rapes and other assaults that occur?  Yes, but it's not nearly what the media and dumbass politicians would have you believe.


So, you're absolutely not concerned at all that some supposed soldiers are a greater danger to their own side, and that we ought to do nothing to remedy that?

BTW, that "grabass" is the definition of sexual assault. Have you considered just not grabbing that ass, no matter how casual an atmosphere gets? I cannot think of a situation so casual that were grabbing a private by the privates is acceptable behavior, except in an overtly sexual one.
 
2014-01-08 02:02:46 PM

Warriors Warriors Warriors: whosits_112:

I can tell you, that not all sailors are raping scumbags. My six years in, I didn't rape or assault anyone.

You did cause a lot of butthurt, though. ;)


My ass!
/Your ass?
//Their ass??
 
2014-01-08 02:23:18 PM

JBangworthy: One of the most common of the 26,000 (absurd estimate) sexual assaults probably goes something like this


Well if it PROBABLY goes like that, then that's definitely something I want to draw conclusions on.  Had you said something weaker like "possibly" I would have said you're crazy.

JBangworthy: The work climate gets relaxed, a lot of grab ass goes on, things get too casual.


Haha yeah, I know that happens at my work all the time.  One moment my boss is asking me about my kids and telling me about her holiday break and the next moment we're grabbing each others asses.  These things just happen.
 
2014-01-08 02:40:35 PM

whosits_112: Warriors Warriors Warriors: whosits_112:

I can tell you, that not all sailors are raping scumbags. My six years in, I didn't rape or assault anyone.

You did cause a lot of butthurt, though. ;)

My ass!
/Your ass?
//Their ass??


Heh..I recall that you used to brutally mock a certain 80s hair metal fan quite mercilessly...

/just one example of butthurt
//You also used to butthurt a certain rodent-like MM1 on a near daily basis, as I recall. ;)
 
2014-01-08 02:52:48 PM

Warriors Warriors Warriors: whosits_112: Warriors Warriors Warriors: whosits_112:

I can tell you, that not all sailors are raping scumbags. My six years in, I didn't rape or assault anyone.

You did cause a lot of butthurt, though. ;)

My ass!
/Your ass?
//Their ass??

Heh..I recall that you used to brutally mock a certain 80s hair metal fan quite mercilessly...

/just one example of butthurt
//You also used to butthurt a certain rodent-like MM1 on a near daily basis, as I recall. ;)


Ah yes. Those halcyon days of yore...
 
2014-01-08 05:23:00 PM
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2014-01-08 08:24:28 PM
Zero Suit, Master Chief
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2014-01-08 08:24:32 PM

JBangworthy: I see that you missed the point.  Entirely.  I'll help you.

[help]


Riiiiiiiight. The thing is, when the subject turns to how "the system" is helping sneaky lying women cut the balls off honest men, the people critical of the system always seem to have an anecdote or three. Friends, friends of friends, something they heard on G. Gordon Liddy's show, or--to hear you tell it--a couple of guys at Pearl Harbor. This being Fark, I wouldn't bet more than a dollar that you've been there as anything other than a tourist, but that's not really the point. The point is--your point is--

1) There's a system in place to make the military, a pretty rapey institution for a long time, less rapey
2) Some evil woman, you're pretty sure, abused that system for her own evil ends, therefore
3) the system is bad, and maybe even the idea behind the system is bad.

My point is that victims of rape, sexual assault, sexual harassment, sex discrimination, and basically everything that boils down to a guy thinking he can maybe get away with shiat vs. a woman because of the particular circumstances--they know that having the  right to complain isn't the same thing as having the  ability to complain. Especially if there are enough guys out there whose first reaction to reports of these things is, "Pfff, everyone knows these are mostly just revenge plots. What are the odds that  this one doesn't just have her panties in a bunch?"

Please help yourself by thinking a little more in the future.

Aye aye, Master Chief.
 
2014-01-09 06:35:32 AM
I KNEW Master Cheif was Jesus! I KNEW IT!
 
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