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2014-01-08 12:51:12 PM
 Part of that money is going to the android tablet that is built into the face of it, letting you download recipes, control the oven, play games while your dinner is cooking and do it all from your smart phone.

This is stoooopid. I don't want to stand in front of my oven waiting for my food to cook.  I want to be comfortably seated with some sort of beverage.
 
2014-01-08 01:12:55 PM
My oven is such a damn attention whore.

And we won't even begun to discuss my stove, because she's a biatch with an attitude problem.
 
2014-01-08 01:38:11 PM
My oven's opinions would make corners of Twitter smarter instantly.  It would freshen up the debate in the Politics tab too.
 
2014-01-08 01:46:43 PM
Oven says no
encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com
 
2014-01-08 01:47:20 PM
Of course, my oven is super smart, it has a bunch of degrees.
 
2014-01-08 01:47:59 PM
"anthropomorphism"...LOOK IT UP!!!
 
2014-01-08 01:48:17 PM
I'm sorry, Dave.  I'm afraid I can't cook that.
 
2014-01-08 01:48:36 PM
My oven doesn't want to be spammed with "One Weird Trick to Make Your Broiler Rack Longer" ads.
 
2014-01-08 01:49:31 PM
When my oven wants something is the time to be afraid. Be very afraid.
 
2014-01-08 01:49:38 PM
Part of that money is going to the android tablet that is built into the face of it, letting you download recipes, control the oven, play games while your dinner is cooking and do it all from your smart phone.

There, I just saved you thousands.
 
2014-01-08 01:50:07 PM
Um...no.  Certain things don't need to be online.  Most kitchen appliances would fall into this category.
 
2014-01-08 01:52:03 PM
My oven is an inanimate object made of metal. It gives no farks and kill yourself.
 
2014-01-08 01:52:58 PM
My oven would probably spend all day getting hot on hotsexycookiesheets.com that I would need to get it to auto clean before I could use it at night...

... correction before my wife could use it at night.
 
2014-01-08 01:53:22 PM

busy chillin': Of course, my oven is super smart, it has a bunch of degrees.


Owwwwccchhh.....

-3 for awfulness. +9 for scoring with an oldie. (that's what she said.)
 
2014-01-08 01:53:44 PM
"I'm sorry, Dave.  I'm afraid I can't bake that right now."

static3.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2014-01-08 01:53:57 PM

CleanAndPure: My oven would probably spend all day getting hot on hotsexycookiesheets.com that I would need to get it to auto clean before I could use it at night...

... correction before my wife could use it at night.


I hate getting oven ejaculate on my chicken pot pie.
 
2014-01-08 01:54:40 PM

Sean M: Um...no.  Certain things don't need to be online.  Most kitchen appliances would fall into this category.


I wouldn't mind being able to remotely check to see if these things are on and to shut them off if they are. Otherwise I don't see much advantage.
 
2014-01-08 01:54:48 PM
An oven connected to the internet makes more sense than most other appliances. You can turn it on from the road and it's ready to cook as soon as you get home.
 
2014-01-08 01:54:53 PM
My oven spends all day on WoW*. I can't get it to do anything else.


*World of Warmcraft, of course.
 
2014-01-08 01:56:29 PM
Does my oven want to be on the internet? No, it wants to cook Jews, lots and lots of Jews, just like it's big brother.
 
2014-01-08 01:56:44 PM
I would soooo love it if some script kiddie from Tajikistan could haxx0r my convection oven.

/has water sprinkler system; the worst they could do is pour 200 gallons of 10-year old water onto a single spot in my kitchen.
//I once put a cup of bleach in that water.
 
2014-01-08 01:56:57 PM
I wouldn't mind being able to preheat the oven to a certain temperature so that it's ready to cook when I get home. I'm sure that some ovens can be pre-set to turn on at a certain time, but maybe I decided to cook a frozen pizza while I'm at work, or maybe I don't know when I'm going to be home until late in the day. It would be useful.
 
2014-01-08 01:57:35 PM
What if you butt dial your oven and come home to no house.
 
2014-01-08 01:57:40 PM
Holocaust thread trifecta in play?
 
2014-01-08 01:58:06 PM
I want to control everything thing from my phone, computer, or tablet & have statistics of usage for every single item in my home.
 
2014-01-08 01:59:04 PM
I found my oven living in the basement. And my extra large pump bottle of lotion is missing.

I don't really like the idea of Intratube-linked appliances. I'm not sure that having 110 volt machines hooked to a network that can't stop hackers from doing what they want is a good idea. I know power producers use code along their transmission lines and many parts of the world have the Intratubes available via their household mains.

Additionally, I don't want Google and other harvesters of data jotting down whether my refrigerator is out of ketchup.
 
2014-01-08 01:59:51 PM
Open the door, oven.

I.. uh... can't. I'm self cleaning right now.
 
2014-01-08 02:00:13 PM

Queensowntalia: My oven spends all day on WoW*. I can't get it to do anything else.


*World of Warmcraft, of course.


It could be a totally different way to complete your cooking dailies.
 
2014-01-08 02:02:11 PM
Your oven wants a steak.
 
2014-01-08 02:02:38 PM

busy chillin': Of course, my oven is super smart, it has a bunch of degrees.


Annnnnd we are done here
 
2014-01-08 02:02:48 PM
ts4.mm.bing.net
 
2014-01-08 02:03:58 PM
Seriously, how long does it take to preheat an oven? Ten minutes? So what if you're not ready to pop that cornish hen in there until you're 36 minutes from the gym instead of 26. You really need an app for that?
 
2014-01-08 02:04:00 PM

Starshines: An oven connected to the internet makes more sense than most other appliances. You can turn it on from the road and it's ready to cook as soon as you get home.


Agreed.  I would vote on Washer, Dryer, Oven, Crock Pot and Coffee Pot as the appliances that could be useful to have online in some function.  They could tell you when they are finished, you can check on them from anywhere, and the ability to shut them off or start them from the road would be cool.
 
2014-01-08 02:04:01 PM

Sean M: Certain things don't need to be online.  Most kitchen appliances would fall into this category.


Stop thinking "access to email" and start thinking "remote control".

Local, in-home control of appliances can be very desirable for the same reason you TV remote is desirable -- you don't have to get off the couch to make changes. For your blender this probably doesn't matter, but for something as slow as an oven it might be very nice. And of course things like temperature probe monitoring are handy and could be integrated with the appliance.

In this respect "Internet" access is useful just because it's a standard way to interconnect things. You could write some proprietary control protocol that runs over not-quite-WiFi, but it's a lot easier to connect to things if you just put it on the network like any other device.

And there are things that could be useful in terms of out-of-home connectivity. A simple one is NTP -- self-setting clocks are all the rage. Another is perhaps integration with an "I'm away turn everything off" switch, or the ability to leave something in the oven and start it before you leave the office (like the long-existing time-bake feature, but for people with more variable schedules).
 
2014-01-08 02:05:35 PM
You've got veal!
 
2014-01-08 02:06:18 PM

sno man: My oven's opinions would make corners of Twitter smarter instantly.  It would freshen up the debate in the Politics tab too.



How is it with YouTube comments?
 
2014-01-08 02:06:30 PM

uncleacid: What if you butt dial your oven and come home to no house.


There is no circumstance in which your oven should be able to burn down your house, no matter what settings you put into it. If it can that's a problem even without Internet access.
 
2014-01-08 02:07:25 PM
My dutch oven says no, but it takes a while to convince it of something.

/Also, I suspect my knives are plotting something
 
2014-01-08 02:09:31 PM

Snarfangel: sno man: My oven's opinions would make corners of Twitter smarter instantly.  It would freshen up the debate in the Politics tab too.


How is it with YouTube comments?


It told me to try safety mode....  I'm buying it a steak later.
 
2014-01-08 02:09:46 PM
On one hand pre-heating your oven (or cooking something you put in there before leaving work) while driving home would be convenient. On the other, I wouldn't want a device that seriously increase my electric bill,  being controlled by some hacker.

/I have a internet-connected thermostat, so I probably shouldn't be talking.
 
2014-01-08 02:10:21 PM

FrancoFile: I'm sorry, Dave.  I'm afraid I can't cook that.


HAHA. Good one.
 
2014-01-08 02:11:41 PM

akya: On one hand pre-heating your oven (or cooking something you put in there before leaving work) while driving home would be convenient. On the other, I wouldn't want a device that seriously increase my electric bill,  being controlled by some hacker.

/I have a internet-connected thermostat, so I probably shouldn't be talking.


Your grammar sucks, so maybe you should stop posting, too.
 
2014-01-08 02:11:52 PM
WOW!

With e-ovens, I can surf the oven interwebs for porn and get my rocks off BEFORE the apple pie is done.
 
2014-01-08 02:12:06 PM

carrion_luggage: My oven doesn't want to be spammed with "One Weird Trick to Make Your Broiler Rack Longer" ads.


thats longer handle and bigger rack.
 
2014-01-08 02:14:25 PM

WTP 2: carrion_luggage: My oven doesn't want to be spammed with "One Weird Trick to Make Your Broiler Rack Longer" ads.

thats longer handle and bigger rack.


I don't know what a bigger rack might look like.  I need visual proof.
 
2014-01-08 02:15:39 PM
When I purchased a new home in 2001, it had a GE oven with settings for jewish days, so it would do whatever the oven needed to do on those days.  I remember it, because it had a control panel, that made it necessary to RTFM...  I thought at the time, that if you were a practicing Jew, you'd be able to figure out what you were supposed to do on those days..  Now that there is an option for having an on-line oven, I still can't think of one reason why I'd want that feature either.
 
2014-01-08 02:16:05 PM

busy chillin': Of course, my oven is super smart, it has a bunch of degrees.


I just, I....Not bad. I am smiling.
 
2014-01-08 02:17:58 PM

profplump: Sean M: Certain things don't need to be online.  Most kitchen appliances would fall into this category.

Stop thinking "access to email" and start thinking "remote control".

Local, in-home control of appliances can be very desirable for the same reason you TV remote is desirable -- you don't have to get off the couch to make changes. For your blender this probably doesn't matter, but for something as slow as an oven it might be very nice. And of course things like temperature probe monitoring are handy and could be integrated with the appliance.

In this respect "Internet" access is useful just because it's a standard way to interconnect things. You could write some proprietary control protocol that runs over not-quite-WiFi, but it's a lot easier to connect to things if you just put it on the network like any other device.

And there are things that could be useful in terms of out-of-home connectivity. A simple one is NTP -- self-setting clocks are all the rage. Another is perhaps integration with an "I'm away turn everything off" switch, or the ability to leave something in the oven and start it before you leave the office (like the long-existing time-bake feature, but for people with more variable schedules).


The X10 standard for home automation has been out for decades.  And their are any number of proprietary or semi-open extensions & replacements.

And every year we get new 'smart home' buzzword & hype.

Here's what needs to happen, IMHO

1) The electrical utilities and appliance manufacturers develop an open protocol (along the lines of SNMP, but with today's understanding of security.  Toasters are auto-shutoff after 20 minutes, for example.)
2) They produce smart outlets & switches for backwards compatability w/ dumb devices like crockpots and lights - basically what X10 etc do now.
3) When the utility installs a smart-meter in your house, you also get a free or nominal-cost controller. You use that controller to determine what the smart-meter can do to your appliances (major issue is HVAC, of course, but also hot water, dishwasher, washer&dryer)
4) If you want to buy a high-end controller to replace the freebee, you can.  The high-end controllers will be Internet-enabled. More likely, the high-end controller will VPN into a cloud service and you'll connect to the cloud service w/ your smartphone etc.  Contractually, you'll lease the controller+cloud in the same way that home security services are marketed.
 
2014-01-08 02:21:14 PM
I'm not sure why I thought about it, but a talking oven that knows what you're cooking fat shaming you into eating healthy might be a good idea for weight loss.
/ohhh LB, frozen pizza again you miserable POS why don't you eat right!?!?
 
2014-01-08 02:21:37 PM

Snarfangel: You've got veal!


WINNER !!!
 
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