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(AsiaOne)   Although they can't technically own Antarctica right now, China owns Antarctica right now   (news.asiaone.com) divider line 57
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2014-01-08 08:17:31 AM
I have some friends in the 109th Airlift Wing that would disagree with that.
 
2014-01-08 08:46:33 AM
The Chinese say we'll thank them when we aren't devoured by the shoggoths.
 
2014-01-08 08:53:09 AM
You mean the Chinese icebreaker that took two years to reach its destination?

That and the scale of their research there is a fraction of ours.
 
2014-01-08 08:53:59 AM
Kurt Russell is not Chinese....
 
2014-01-08 08:55:34 AM
Somebody should do a video of the stuck ice breakers, the helicopter "rescue" etc., set to "Cruel Summer" by Bananarama
 
2014-01-08 08:58:05 AM

Satanic_Hamster: You mean the Chinese icebreaker that took two years to reach its destination?

That and the scale of their research there is a fraction of ours.


I love the CHINA'S DOIN' STUFF! alarmists.
They're a big, ambitious country. They do stuff. But nothing they do even compares to what we do.
Last year or two years ago it was OMG CHINA'S GOT AN AIRCRAFT CARRIER! That was an old Russian rustbucket and doesn't even compare to the oldest ones in our inventory.
 
2014-01-08 08:58:16 AM
GWAR owns it.
 
2014-01-08 08:59:08 AM
Didn't Antarctica just pwn everybody recently?
 
2014-01-08 08:59:56 AM

SpdrJay: Kurt Russell is not Chinese....


But we do like him, and he only comes up to your knees.
 
2014-01-08 09:00:22 AM

Ivandrago: I love the CHINA'S DOIN' STUFF! alarmists.
They're a big, ambitious country. They do stuff. But nothing they do even compares to what we do.
Last year or two years ago it was OMG CHINA'S GOT AN AIRCRAFT CARRIER! That was an old Russian rustbucket and doesn't even compare to the oldest ones in our inventory.


It's been decently modernized but a better thing is:
It won't even have an operational air wing until 2018.  And they have no experience with carrier based operations/warfare.

Wonder how good Chinese ASW technology/techniques are...
 
2014-01-08 09:00:40 AM
Go away China, this fight is between US, Russia and Canada.  Iceland, Greenland and a couple others are trying, but they're like midgets in the NBA.  Argentina might as well try to lay claim.
 
2014-01-08 09:00:51 AM

strangeguitar: GWAR owns it.


ROFL!, rather LOFR!
 
2014-01-08 09:03:36 AM

Mister Buttons: Go away China, this fight is between US, Russia and Canada.  Iceland, Greenland and a couple others are trying, but they're like midgets in the NBA.  Argentina might as well try to lay claim.


wrong pole fella
 
2014-01-08 09:08:11 AM

strangeguitar: GWAR owns it.


Oderus would want it that way.
 
2014-01-08 09:09:26 AM

Zenith: Mister Buttons: Go away China, this fight is between US, Russia and Canada.  Iceland, Greenland and a couple others are trying, but they're like midgets in the NBA.  Argentina might as well try to lay claim.

wrong pole fella


Ok, my bad.  I change my opinion to "Argentina has a pretty good arguement to lay claim", them.  :)
 
2014-01-08 09:13:49 AM
What's next? falk.com?
 
2014-01-08 09:13:57 AM
FTA - Its helicopter evacuated 52 people from the vessel, which the state-run Global Times said had once again confirmed "China's national progress".

And there is the problem right there.  I can appreciate what they are trying to do but you just know they were embarrassed as crap that their icebreaker got stuck in the ice.  So the very Chinese thing to do is to not talk about that  and hail the helicopter ride of progress.

I wish them well in their pursuits but I don't think we need to worry just yet.
 
2014-01-08 09:15:17 AM
The Antarcticans will have no problem complying with the one child policy.
 
2014-01-08 09:18:42 AM

Satanic_Hamster: Ivandrago: I love the CHINA'S DOIN' STUFF! alarmists.
They're a big, ambitious country. They do stuff. But nothing they do even compares to what we do.
Last year or two years ago it was OMG CHINA'S GOT AN AIRCRAFT CARRIER! That was an old Russian rustbucket and doesn't even compare to the oldest ones in our inventory.

It's been decently modernized but a better thing is:
It won't even have an operational air wing until 2018.  And they have no experience with carrier based operations/warfare.

Wonder how good Chinese ASW technology/techniques are...


China's military strength is the fact that its army is huge. That's it. Even at half our current military levels and with a force that's tired, they don't frighten me.
 
2014-01-08 09:26:59 AM

Ivandrago: Satanic_Hamster: You mean the Chinese icebreaker that took two years to reach its destination?

That and the scale of their research there is a fraction of ours.

I love the CHINA'S DOIN' STUFF! alarmists.
They're a big, ambitious country. They do stuff. But nothing they do even compares to what we do.
Last year or two years ago it was OMG CHINA'S GOT AN AIRCRAFT CARRIER! That was an old Russian rustbucket and doesn't even compare to the oldest ones in our inventory.


They're thinking of the long game, and not just in terms of capabilities (how many operational icebreakers does the US have, though?), but all they have to do now is lay the groundwork for breaking up the Antarctic Treaty. China's thinking of access 40-50 years from now.

They're already getting Greenland, and one of their largest missions abroad is in Iceland, of all places.

/Americans are too short-sighted
 
2014-01-08 09:30:17 AM

T-Servo: Ivandrago: Satanic_Hamster: You mean the Chinese icebreaker that took two years to reach its destination?

That and the scale of their research there is a fraction of ours.

I love the CHINA'S DOIN' STUFF! alarmists.
They're a big, ambitious country. They do stuff. But nothing they do even compares to what we do.
Last year or two years ago it was OMG CHINA'S GOT AN AIRCRAFT CARRIER! That was an old Russian rustbucket and doesn't even compare to the oldest ones in our inventory.

They're thinking of the long game, and not just in terms of capabilities (how many operational icebreakers does the US have, though?)


How many icebreakers do we have?  When yours is the only one that doesn't get stuck in the ice, 1 is all you need.
 
2014-01-08 09:30:56 AM

Ivandrago: Satanic_Hamster: You mean the Chinese icebreaker that took two years to reach its destination?

That and the scale of their research there is a fraction of ours.

I love the CHINA'S DOIN' STUFF! alarmists.
They're a big, ambitious country. They do stuff. But nothing they do even compares to what we do.
Last year or two years ago it was OMG CHINA'S GOT AN AIRCRAFT CARRIER! That was an old Russian rustbucket and doesn't even compare to the oldest ones in our inventory.


Its easy to do stuff when you have nearly limitless money since none of it is being used for the public at all.
 
2014-01-08 09:31:08 AM
Last time I was in Antarctica my tauntaun froze before I got to the fisrt marker.
 
2014-01-08 09:34:40 AM
Is this headline from the same brain trust that gave us "China is taking over the moon!"?
There are about 30 countries that have research bases in Antarctica. The US for example has six bases, four of which a manned year round.
 
2014-01-08 09:36:43 AM

luxup: T-Servo: Ivandrago: Satanic_Hamster: You mean the Chinese icebreaker that took two years to reach its destination?

That and the scale of their research there is a fraction of ours.

I love the CHINA'S DOIN' STUFF! alarmists.
They're a big, ambitious country. They do stuff. But nothing they do even compares to what we do.
Last year or two years ago it was OMG CHINA'S GOT AN AIRCRAFT CARRIER! That was an old Russian rustbucket and doesn't even compare to the oldest ones in our inventory.

They're thinking of the long game, and not just in terms of capabilities (how many operational icebreakers does the US have, though?)

How many icebreakers do we have?  When yours is the only one that doesn't get stuck in the ice, 1 is all you need.


Great, because one is all we have, and it's 38 years old.

/thanks, Congress and DHS
 
2014-01-08 09:39:40 AM

T-Servo:
They're already getting Greenland,


How does a British company seeking Danish, Chinese and other investors for mining operations mean that China is "getting Greenland"?
 
2014-01-08 09:44:20 AM

T-Servo: luxup: T-Servo: Ivandrago: Satanic_Hamster: You mean the Chinese icebreaker that took two years to reach its destination?

That and the scale of their research there is a fraction of ours.

I love the CHINA'S DOIN' STUFF! alarmists.
They're a big, ambitious country. They do stuff. But nothing they do even compares to what we do.
Last year or two years ago it was OMG CHINA'S GOT AN AIRCRAFT CARRIER! That was an old Russian rustbucket and doesn't even compare to the oldest ones in our inventory.

They're thinking of the long game, and not just in terms of capabilities (how many operational icebreakers does the US have, though?)

How many icebreakers do we have?  When yours is the only one that doesn't get stuck in the ice, 1 is all you need.

Great, because one is all we have, and it's 38 years old.

/thanks, Congress and DHS


While I agree Congress should have funded more icebreakers:
1. The one we have active has just finished a refit, and should be in good shape for awhile.
2. We have another being refit
 
2014-01-08 09:45:00 AM

Dansker: T-Servo:
They're already getting Greenland,

How does a British company seeking Danish, Chinese and other investors for mining operations mean that China is "getting Greenland"?


Because China is bankrolling the operations, and they always bring in their own workers. But they have to operate under EU flags to make it legit, and the British are providing that cover. We worked on this issue for DOD, and had Greenlanders asking if they'd have to set up a brothel to handle the incoming workers.
 
2014-01-08 09:49:49 AM
China wanting a slice of Antarctica got me chuckling. Good luck trying to defend your claim from so far away.
 
2014-01-08 09:57:35 AM

T-Servo: luxup: T-Servo: Ivandrago: Satanic_Hamster: You mean the Chinese icebreaker that took two years to reach its destination?

That and the scale of their research there is a fraction of ours.

I love the CHINA'S DOIN' STUFF! alarmists.
They're a big, ambitious country. They do stuff. But nothing they do even compares to what we do.
Last year or two years ago it was OMG CHINA'S GOT AN AIRCRAFT CARRIER! That was an old Russian rustbucket and doesn't even compare to the oldest ones in our inventory.

They're thinking of the long game, and not just in terms of capabilities (how many operational icebreakers does the US have, though?)

How many icebreakers do we have?  When yours is the only one that doesn't get stuck in the ice, 1 is all you need.

Great, because one is all we have, and it's 38 years old.

/thanks, Congress and DHS


No problem.  Global Warming is going to melt all the ice anyway so we're good with the one for now.
 
2014-01-08 09:57:51 AM
I imagine there must be substantial deposits of lead and coal under that icecap.  How else is China going to sustain its domestic toy industry?
 
2014-01-08 09:58:44 AM

Robo Beat: I imagine there must be substantial deposits of lead and coal under that icecap.  How else is China going to sustain its domestic toy industry?


Child labor.
 
2014-01-08 10:03:03 AM

T-Servo: Dansker: T-Servo:
They're already getting Greenland,

How does a British company seeking Danish, Chinese and other investors for mining operations mean that China is "getting Greenland"?

Because China is bankrolling the operations, and they always bring in their own workers.


It's a British company that owns the licence, so by your logic doesn't that mean that the UK is "getting Greenland"?
Besides, so far they don't have Chinese partners or investors, and the story is about one specific iron ore deposit near Isua, not mining rights in the whole country.

But they have to operate under EU flags to make it legit,

No, that's bullshiat.
Also from your link: Over the past three years, the government has granted more than 80 exploration licenses to mineral miners and oil majors including Chevron, ConocoPhillips, and Shell.

So, who's "getting Greenland" again?
 
2014-01-08 10:05:18 AM
Fine, let them deal with The Thing.
 
2014-01-08 10:11:23 AM

Dansker: T-Servo: Dansker: T-Servo:
They're already getting Greenland,

How does a British company seeking Danish, Chinese and other investors for mining operations mean that China is "getting Greenland"?

Because China is bankrolling the operations, and they always bring in their own workers.

It's a British company that owns the licence, so by your logic doesn't that mean that the UK is "getting Greenland"?
Besides, so far they don't have Chinese partners or investors, and the story is about one specific iron ore deposit near Isua, not mining rights in the whole country.

But they have to operate under EU flags to make it legit,

No, that's bullshiat.
Also from your link: Over the past three years, the government has granted more than 80 exploration licenses to mineral miners and oil majors including Chevron, ConocoPhillips, and Shell.

So, who's "getting Greenland" again?


The Chinese?
 
2014-01-08 10:15:52 AM

Jumpedthefark:
No, that's bullshiat.
Also from your link: Over the past three years, the government has granted more than 80 exploration licenses to mineral miners and oil majors including Chevron, ConocoPhillips, and Shell.

So, who's "getting Greenland" again?

The Chinese?


Apparently not, unless China has secretly bought the world's major oil companies, and Greenland is no longer part of the Danish realm.
 
2014-01-08 10:27:17 AM
I like how China is celebrating doing things the rest of the world got bored of doing 50 years ago.
 
2014-01-08 10:30:05 AM

Dansker: Jumpedthefark:
No, that's bullshiat.
Also from your link: Over the past three years, the government has granted more than 80 exploration licenses to mineral miners and oil majors including Chevron, ConocoPhillips, and Shell.

So, who's "getting Greenland" again?

The Chinese?

Apparently not, unless China has secretly bought the world's major oil companies, and Greenland is no longer part of the Danish realm.


Hey, I'm just telling you what the US defense concerns are. But it's your colony, and I'm sure Denmark can stand up to the outside world and protect Greenlanders.

/though you might want to read more carefully... I was referring to mining, which is entirely different from oil (unless you're in Alberta)
 
2014-01-08 10:33:02 AM

Publikwerks: 2. We have another being refit


Source?  I thought we had one they were considering refitting but it's engine was declared a total loss and they decided to just park it for spare parts for the one that was just refit.
 
2014-01-08 10:33:26 AM

SpdrJay: Kurt Russell is not Chinese....


But , he is still in trouble.
 
2014-01-08 10:35:04 AM

Publikwerks: While I agree Congress should have funded more icebreakers:
1. The one we have active has just finished a refit, and should be in good shape for awhile.
2. We have another being refit


Not only that, but by the very nature of their construction, icebreaker hulls, like armored navy ships, have a longer lifetime than most other ships.

But yeah, we need a couple more, minimum.
 
2014-01-08 10:42:42 AM

Mister Buttons: Argentina might as well try to lay claim.


Actually, Argentina already has laid a claim.  A triangle from Tierra del Fuego to the South Georgia Islands to the south pole.  If you take a boat to the Antarctic peninsula from Argentina, they look at your passport to ID you if you're a foreigner but they don't stamp your passport as, according to their claim, you're not leaving Argentine territory
 
2014-01-08 10:44:45 AM

Satanic_Hamster: Publikwerks: 2. We have another being refit

Source?  I thought we had one they were considering refitting but it's engine was declared a total loss and they decided to just park it for spare parts for the one that was just refit.


Actually, we have 3 icebreakers:

USCG Polar Star (heavy icebreaker, just out of refit)
USCG Polar Sea (heavy icebreaker, laid up, 5 of 6 engines fried)
USCG Healy (medium icebreaker)

Apparently, reactivating the Polar Sea would be cheaper than building a new icebreaker:

Last year, U.S. Sen. Maria Cantwell, D-Wash, and I added a requirement to a Coast Guard authorization bill requiring an analysis of the best way to meet its icebreaking needs. The Coast Guard presented that report last month, and it offers a way forward.

The analysis shows the Coast Guard can rehabilitate and reactivate the heavy-duty USCGC Polar Sea icebreaker, currently sitting in mothballs in a Seattle shipyard, at a fraction of the cost of building a new icebreaker now.
 
2014-01-08 10:49:21 AM

dittybopper: Satanic_Hamster: Publikwerks: 2. We have another being refit

Source?  I thought we had one they were considering refitting but it's engine was declared a total loss and they decided to just park it for spare parts for the one that was just refit.

Actually, we have 3 icebreakers:

USCG Polar Star (heavy icebreaker, just out of refit)
USCG Polar Sea (heavy icebreaker, laid up, 5 of 6 engines fried)
USCG Healy (medium icebreaker)

Apparently, reactivating the Polar Sea would be cheaper than building a new icebreaker:

Last year, U.S. Sen. Maria Cantwell, D-Wash, and I added a requirement to a Coast Guard authorization bill requiring an analysis of the best way to meet its icebreaking needs. The Coast Guard presented that report last month, and it offers a way forward.

The analysis shows the Coast Guard can rehabilitate and reactivate the heavy-duty USCGC Polar Sea icebreaker, currently sitting in mothballs in a Seattle shipyard, at a fraction of the cost of building a new icebreaker now.


I must have misread it - I thought they had decided to move ahead with the rehab.
 
2014-01-08 10:50:13 AM
It never cease to amaze me the alarmist journalism about OMG China did this or that and the subsequent followup by followers about how the US had already done it either better or earlier etc or how inferior the Chinese is etc therefore no biggie as if it is some sort of competition.

The truth is China couldn't care less and the only people obsessed with China's progress in any field are fear mongering journalists and the average uneducated hillbilly who reads too much into things. Personally I don't give a crap if China owns this or the first to do that etc... or any country for that matter.
If the first person to go to Mars is a Chinese or Somalian or freakin Somoan than I say more power to him! and I will cheer him all the way there. I'm not going to withold my excitement for the human race just because he ain't an American.
 
2014-01-08 11:04:26 AM

Publikwerks: I must have misread it - I thought they had decided to move ahead with the rehab.


Nah, they just decided it was feasible to refit it.  I don't think they've appropriated the funds to do so yet.
 
2014-01-08 11:13:06 AM

SpdrJay: Kurt Russell is not Chinese....


How can you be sure.  Have you ever seen his birth certificate?
 
2014-01-08 11:18:11 AM

SuperNinjaToad: It never cease to amaze me the alarmist journalism about OMG China did this or that and the subsequent followup by followers about how the US had already done it either better or earlier etc or how inferior the Chinese is etc therefore no biggie as if it is some sort of competition.

The truth is China couldn't care less and the only people obsessed with China's progress in any field are fear mongering journalists and the average uneducated hillbilly who reads too much into things. Personally I don't give a crap if China owns this or the first to do that etc... or any country for that matter.
If the first person to go to Mars is a Chinese or Somalian or freakin Somoan than I say more power to him! and I will cheer him all the way there. I'm not going to withold my excitement for the human race just because he ain't an American.


But, as an American, I have the *right* to be smug and complacent here on the shoulders of giants.
 
2014-01-08 11:20:57 AM

SpdrJay: Kurt Russell is not Chinese....


Pfffft! Could have fooled me!

cdn.funcheap.com
 
2014-01-08 11:22:14 AM

T-Servo: Dansker:
Apparently not, unless China has secretly bought the world's major oil companies, and Greenland is no longer part of the Danish realm.

Hey, I'm just telling you what the US defense concerns are.


No, you're telling me bullshiat about EU flags and acting like China's possible involvement in one mining operation means they "get Greenland."

But it's your colony, and I'm sure Denmark can stand up to the outside world and protect Greenlanders.

It's not a colony. It's their land, and their mining licences to sell. I'm not sure they need protecting more than they need the income. Besides, it's not like China, who still isn't invested in Greenland mining, is going to set up a military base. Unlike the US.
But China is getting Greenland. Sure.

/though you might want to read more carefully... I was referring to mining, which is entirely different from oil (unless you're in Alberta)

Because partaking in mining one iron deposit under someone else's licence means you "get the country", but mining coal or drilling for oil doesn't.
Which element of mining vs. drilling creates this huge difference in power and significance?
 
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