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(ESPN)   Roger Goodell: "We cannot guarantee that every cold-weather city can host a Super Bowl, but at least I can say I will push for playoff games on Friday and Monday along with the traditional Saturday and Sunday"   (espn.go.com) divider line 101
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2014-01-08 08:54:54 AM  
I think a playoff game each day from Friday to Sunday would work out, except it would suck for a team that had to play Sunday having to play the next Friday against a team that had full rest
 
2014-01-08 08:56:25 AM  
I'd rather see the Superbowl moved to Saturday night.  Superbowl parties always have that cloud of Monday morning hanging over them.
 
2014-01-08 09:03:31 AM  

GarySZ: I'd rather see the Superbowl moved to Saturday night.  Superbowl parties always have that cloud of Monday morning hanging over them.


It's a battle between making the "now" great and the "tomorrow" being awful.
 
2014-01-08 09:03:57 AM  
More playoffs?  What, is every team in the league going to automatically earn a wild card slot on week 1?
 
2014-01-08 09:05:51 AM  

Great_Milenko: What, is every team in the league going to automatically earn a wild card slot on week 1?


Well, not Cleveland
 
2014-01-08 09:06:22 AM  
No more teams in the playoffs!  What've we've got now works fine.  Don't be like the NBA.
 
2014-01-08 09:06:30 AM  

Great_Milenko: More playoffs?  What, is every team in the league going to automatically earn a wild card slot on week 1?


No.
 
2014-01-08 09:07:48 AM  

dentalhilljack: No more teams in the playoffs!  What've we've got now works fine.  Don't be like the NBA.


Half of the teams in the NBA make the playoffs.  The regular season matters.  You just dont like the NBA and that is okay.
 
2014-01-08 09:09:33 AM  
I wanna see a Suprb Owl held at Lambeau for the lols

Could you picture how coldFeb at GB would be?
 
2014-01-08 09:11:26 AM  

GarySZ: I'd rather see the Superbowl moved to Saturday night. Superbowl parties always have that cloud of Monday morning hanging over them.


100% on board with that. It's such an event anyway the ratings will stay the same plus they have the bye week before so who cares if they get one less day of rest.
 
2014-01-08 09:11:41 AM  
I have no clue why the NFL management seems dead set on farking up a system that is working fine.  I know, more $, but it seems asinine to risk screwing things up.
 
2014-01-08 09:13:34 AM  
Super Bowl Saturday.  Other than that, the current playoff format is great.
 
2014-01-08 09:14:03 AM  

ghall3: GarySZ: I'd rather see the Superbowl moved to Saturday night. Superbowl parties always have that cloud of Monday morning hanging over them.

100% on board with that. It's such an event anyway the ratings will stay the same plus they have the bye week before so who cares if they get one less day of rest.


(In best scruffy voice) second
 
2014-01-08 09:19:02 AM  
Jerry Jones wants to keep adding playoff teams until his Cowboys finally can get in.
 
2014-01-08 09:28:59 AM  
Goose. Golden Egg. Lesson.
 
2014-01-08 09:29:36 AM  
"Every city can't host a Super Bowl just because of the sheer enormity of this event. ... Will we look at other Super Bowls in cold-weather sites? I think we'll wait and make that evaluation later."

Translation: fark off, Cleveland.  Toronto will get a Super Bowl before you do.

/A Chicago SB would be badass.
//Could Seattle host a SB?
 
2014-01-08 09:36:42 AM  

fruitloop: "Every city can't host a Super Bowl just because of the sheer enormity of this event. ... Will we look at other Super Bowls in cold-weather sites? I think we'll wait and make that evaluation later."

Translation: fark off, Cleveland.  Toronto will get a Super Bowl before you do.

/A Chicago SB would be badass.
//Could Seattle host a SB?


Well Toronto at least has a dome...and their chief export isn't crippling depression
 
2014-01-08 09:44:07 AM  

ghall3: GarySZ: I'd rather see the Superbowl moved to Saturday night. Superbowl parties always have that cloud of Monday morning hanging over them.

100% on board with that. It's such an event anyway the ratings will stay the same plus they have the bye week before so who cares if they get one less day of rest.


I think most NFL fans would enjoy the SB on a Saturday for reasons mentioned here. So...why isn't?
 
2014-01-08 09:44:22 AM  
When Pat Bowlen had Mile High Stadium replaced, the NFL told him it would never have a SuperbOwl there unless it had a dome. Bowlen refused saying that an an outdoor stadium is an advantage when playing warm weather teams (including hosting division rivals San Diego and Oakland every year). Now that there's a big game in New Jersey this year, the NFL may just change its mind about Denver. It would be a great place for the championship.
 
2014-01-08 09:49:02 AM  

FriarED1: When Pat Bowlen had Mile High Stadium replaced, the NFL told him it would never have a SuperbOwl there unless it had a dome. Bowlen refused saying that an an outdoor stadium is an advantage when playing warm weather teams (including hosting division rivals San Diego and Oakland every year). Now that there's a big game in New Jersey this year, the NFL may just change its mind about Denver. It would be a great place for the championship.


Agreed. Denver's actually a warmer place in February than New York.
 
2014-01-08 09:52:59 AM  

GarySZ: I'd rather see the Superbowl moved to Saturday night.  Superbowl parties always have that cloud of Monday morning hanging over them.


that's an awesome idea.  never happen, but awesome idea.
 
2014-01-08 09:57:14 AM  
Since people are suggesting a Saturday Superbowl, what are the chances that London gets the Superbowl?  If they hold it at 9PM london time, that's 4PM east, 1PM pacific.  It would be the logical extension of playing all these games over there and you're guaranteed to actually show the Brits a good game.  Just a thought.
 
2014-01-08 10:06:40 AM  

Stimied in a Rut: Since people are suggesting a Saturday Superbowl, what are the chances that London gets the Superbowl?  If they hold it at 9PM london time, that's 4PM east, 1PM pacific.  It would be the logical extension of playing all these games over there and you're guaranteed to actually show the Brits a good game.  Just a thought.


Sounds good to me, but what is the NFL's fascination with London?
 
2014-01-08 10:08:10 AM  
The Commish also thinks it would be awesome to hold a Superb Owl game where the locals would have to be out until dawn in order for the game to be shown in American prime time.
 
2014-01-08 10:15:15 AM  

under a mountain: Stimied in a Rut: Since people are suggesting a Saturday Superbowl, what are the chances that London gets the Superbowl?  If they hold it at 9PM london time, that's 4PM east, 1PM pacific.  It would be the logical extension of playing all these games over there and you're guaranteed to actually show the Brits a good game.  Just a thought.

Sounds good to me, but what is the NFL's fascination with London?


I always assumed it was because the Euro is worth more than the Dollar and the millions of people there. Beyond that I have no clue. They love their version of football and force feeding them a yearly Jags game isn't going to change their mind
 
2014-01-08 10:17:06 AM  
If the NFL wants to improve the playoffs, don't change the playoff system, it is fine, get rid of 1/2 the commercials and charge more for the slots to let the game flow.  The Superbowl is close to unwatchable now.

Oh, get rid of the stupid half time show.  Get a local high school marching band to march up and down the field playing '76 Trombones' for 20 minutes to entertain the crowd and dump the mini concerts.
 
2014-01-08 10:18:33 AM  

eagles95: They love their version of football and force feeding them a yearly Jags game isn't going to change their mind


They get the Lions next year maybe that'll be the ticket.
 
2014-01-08 10:23:13 AM  
Did Roger Goodell catch the crazy from FARK loonies or vice versa?
 
2014-01-08 10:23:43 AM  

GarySZ: I'd rather see the Superbowl moved to Saturday night.  Superbowl parties always have that cloud of Monday morning hanging over them.


Yeah right, part of the extortion scheme the league pulls on cities involves the revenue generated all weekend.  You're losing a day of revenue and a night of hotel stays (who's leaving right after the game?) if you play on Saturday.

Heck, I'd guess that if enough places started making that Monday a holiday, the league would try to move the game BACK a day.

\ Does anyone remember when the Giants played the Bills and the next day was MLK day?  That was so awesome to not have to go to school the next day
\\ On a sidenote, Goodell misused the word 'enormity' -- sorry, pet peeve -- that word is reserved for something that is not only large in scale, but also considered to be bad
 
2014-01-08 10:28:41 AM  

thecpt: fruitloop: "Every city can't host a Super Bowl just because of the sheer enormity of this event. ... Will we look at other Super Bowls in cold-weather sites? I think we'll wait and make that evaluation later."

Translation: fark off, Cleveland.  Toronto will get a Super Bowl before you do.

/A Chicago SB would be badass.
//Could Seattle host a SB?

Well Toronto at least has a dome...and their chief export isn't crippling depression


...you've never seen the Leafs play, have you?
 
2014-01-08 10:34:43 AM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: I have no clue why the NFL management seems dead set on farking up a system that is working fine.  I know, more $, but it seems asinine to risk screwing things up.


They're taking their cues from NCAA basketball?
 
2014-01-08 10:39:59 AM  
balki1867:

\ Does anyone remember when the Giants played the Bills and the next day was MLK day?  That was so awesome to not have to go to school the next day

Don't think that actually happened, but if they could stretch it out to Super Bowl being played on the Sunday before Presidents Day I'm all for it.
 
2014-01-08 10:53:22 AM  

under a mountain: Don't think that actually happened, but if they could stretch it out to Super Bowl being played on the Sunday before Presidents Day I'm all for it.


Good catch.  It must've been some semester break holiday we had, and I remember playing in the backyard with a friend on the day after.
 
2014-01-08 10:57:52 AM  

grinding_journalist: GarySZ: I'd rather see the Superbowl moved to Saturday night.  Superbowl parties always have that cloud of Monday morning hanging over them.

It's a battle between making the "now" great and the "tomorrow" being awful.


i soundly support this message.

/ it was an impossibility to go to work the day after the saints won the superbowl.  i mean, our bars don't close, and that was the most amazing moment to be in new orleans that i can remember.
// i have a friend who lost his job for being 15 minutes late that monday.  i mean, geez, even our federal courts closed down due to saintsmania
 
2014-01-08 11:00:14 AM  
Stop farking with what is perfect. All I would change about the NFL now is roll back some of the "safety" rule changes that neuter the defense and return games.

That said, I could get behind Superb Owl Saturday for a few reasons...

1) increased international viewership. When I lived in London, kickoff was around midnight. I never made it through the whole game and never got close.

2) the parties would be 2x as good. With an entire day to recover, more drinks and more fun will be had by all

3) I actually think this would INCREASE travelers going to the host city. As it is, you pretty much have to sacrifice Monday and/or Tuesday as travel days, which sucks. People will go rip-roaring crazy Saturday night partying with their team. And can you imagine getting the chance to meet one of the players later at a club? How cool is that?
 
2014-01-08 11:04:31 AM  

HaywoodJablonski: Stop farking with what is perfect. All I would change about the NFL now is roll back some of the "safety" rule changes that neuter the defense and return games.


Changing OPI from "spot of foul" to "5 yards, no auto 1st" would go a LONG way to helping this.
 
2014-01-08 11:10:18 AM  

grinding_journalist: HaywoodJablonski: Stop farking with what is perfect. All I would change about the NFL now is roll back some of the "safety" rule changes that neuter the defense and return games.

Changing OPI from "spot of foul" to "5 yards, no auto 1st" would go a LONG way to helping this.


You mean DPI?
 
2014-01-08 11:12:50 AM  

HaywoodJablonski: grinding_journalist: HaywoodJablonski: Stop farking with what is perfect. All I would change about the NFL now is roll back some of the "safety" rule changes that neuter the defense and return games.

Changing OPI from "spot of foul" to "5 yards, no auto 1st" would go a LONG way to helping this.

You mean DPI?


Even if so, I don't agree entirely. You're basically inviting hack-a-back (patent pending) for the last 3-5 minutes of a game.
 
2014-01-08 11:13:21 AM  

dentalhilljack: No more teams in the playoffs!  What've we've got now works fine.  Don't be like the NBA.


NFL players can't play as often or as much as NBA players, because they're not in the same shape and don't know how to protect themselves.  NBA players earn much more valuable playoff experience and entertain their fans far more as a result of this.
 
2014-01-08 11:15:59 AM  

grinding_journalist: HaywoodJablonski: Stop farking with what is perfect. All I would change about the NFL now is roll back some of the "safety" rule changes that neuter the defense and return games.

Changing OPI from "spot of foul" to "5 yards, no auto 1st" would go a LONG way to helping this.


5 yards for DPI would be terrible.  It would probably end up being worth it for the defense to take the five yard penalty and just intentionally interfere with some long plays.

One thing I'm waiting for the NFL to do is to just get rid of kickoffs altogether and just start each drive as a touchback.  It's obvious that's what they want to do, but only keep the pointless kickoff there for the extra commercial break.  I say, either go back to the old kickoff position that actually resulted in returns on a regular basis, or quit the farce and start everyone at the 20.
 
2014-01-08 11:35:14 AM  

HaywoodJablonski: You mean DPI?


Yes.

NeoCortex42: 5 yards for DPI would be terrible. It would probably end up being worth it for the defense to take the five yard penalty and just intentionally interfere with some long plays.


As opposed to "chuck it deep and wait for the flag"? Fine, give them 10 yards- but the notion of "he grabbed his wrist for a quarter second, give him 60 yards" is asinine.
 
2014-01-08 11:59:38 AM  
As much as I'd love to see a Superb Owl in Green Bay just for the lulz and history, I'm not sure they have the needed infrastructure in place to support it properly.

Havent been there in 15 years though, so it may have changed since I left.
 
2014-01-08 12:00:29 PM  

Gunny Highway: dentalhilljack: No more teams in the playoffs!  What've we've got now works fine.  Don't be like the NBA.

Half of the teams in the NBA make the playoffs.  The regular season matters.  You just dont like the NBA and that is okay.


Thank you with helping me get over my blind hatred.  I can see clearly now.  In fact, I know recognize that of all leagues, college football has it right.  Why stop at half the league being eligible?  We should have a postseason where almost 60% of the teams are eligible!!!
 
2014-01-08 12:06:22 PM  

dentalhilljack: Gunny Highway: dentalhilljack: No more teams in the playoffs!  What've we've got now works fine.  Don't be like the NBA.

Half of the teams in the NBA make the playoffs.  The regular season matters.  You just dont like the NBA and that is okay.

Thank you with helping me get over my blind hatred.  I can see clearly now.  In fact, I know recognize that of all leagues, college football has it right.  Why stop at half the league being eligible?  We should have a postseason where almost 60% of the teams are eligible!!!


How would you fix the NBA Playoffs?
 
2014-01-08 12:07:17 PM  

grinding_journalist: HaywoodJablonski: You mean DPI?

Yes.

NeoCortex42: 5 yards for DPI would be terrible. It would probably end up being worth it for the defense to take the five yard penalty and just intentionally interfere with some long plays.

As opposed to "chuck it deep and wait for the flag"? Fine, give them 10 yards- but the notion of "he grabbed his wrist for a quarter second, give him 60 yards" is asinine.


The reason it's a spot foul for DPI and an automatic 1st for defensive holding is that anything less incentivizes DPI.

Hell even now DBs know that if you're about to get beat deep grab the guy - the penalty (likely just 5 and a 1st) is better than the TD.

Why would you NOT interfere if you think you're going to get beat deep?
 
2014-01-08 12:19:13 PM  

xaks: As much as I'd love to see a Superb Owl in Green Bay just for the lulz and history, I'm not sure they have the needed infrastructure in place to support it properly.

Havent been there in 15 years though, so it may have changed since I left.


Besides one of the main bridges almost collapsing into the icy river nothing has changed. I dont think the state of WI has enough hotel rooms to host a Super Bowl. Not to mention transportation infrastructure to handle 100's of thousands of fans.

/Wait...1 thing changed in GB...we got a Costco
 
2014-01-08 12:21:41 PM  

Gunny Highway: dentalhilljack: Gunny Highway: dentalhilljack: No more teams in the playoffs!  What've we've got now works fine.  Don't be like the NBA.

Half of the teams in the NBA make the playoffs.  The regular season matters.  You just dont like the NBA and that is okay.

Thank you with helping me get over my blind hatred.  I can see clearly now.  In fact, I know recognize that of all leagues, college football has it right.  Why stop at half the league being eligible?  We should have a postseason where almost 60% of the teams are eligible!!!

How would you fix the NBA Playoffs?


Shorten the season by 20 games
Shorten each game by 10 minutes
Shorten the number of games in the early rounds (3 then 5 then 7)

Immediate improvement to the quality of play in the league and the excitement of the playoffs. You might even get Finals ratings that win that evening's competition
 
2014-01-08 12:23:59 PM  

HaywoodJablonski: Gunny Highway: dentalhilljack: Gunny Highway: dentalhilljack: No more teams in the playoffs!  What've we've got now works fine.  Don't be like the NBA.

Half of the teams in the NBA make the playoffs.  The regular season matters.  You just dont like the NBA and that is okay.

Thank you with helping me get over my blind hatred.  I can see clearly now.  In fact, I know recognize that of all leagues, college football has it right.  Why stop at half the league being eligible?  We should have a postseason where almost 60% of the teams are eligible!!!

How would you fix the NBA Playoffs?

Shorten the season by 20 games
Shorten each game by 10 minutes
Shorten the number of games in the early rounds (3 then 5 then 7)

Immediate improvement to the quality of play in the league and the excitement of the playoffs. You might even get Finals ratings that win that evening's competition


How would that help the quality of play and excitement?  Why would you be more apt to watch the NBA if they instituted your changes.
 
2014-01-08 12:29:51 PM  
Because the 82-game season is too long and taxing. So you don't get the best out of every player every night. With more on the line in the regular season it becomes more compelling. As it is, I can happily ignore 95% of all games in the regular season for no penalty.

The playoffs take TWO MONTHS. That's way too long, and I don't have enough interest (mostly because the long regular season hasn't drawn me in) to follow closely enough.
 
2014-01-08 12:30:21 PM  

HaywoodJablonski: Shorten the season by 20 games
Shorten each game by 10 minutes
Shorten the number of games in the early rounds (3 then 5 then 7)

Immediate improvement to the quality of play in the league and the excitement of the playoffs. You might even get Finals ratings that win that evening's competition


I'm ok with the length of the game and regular season, but they could take an entire round off the playoffs and it would be just fine by me.  Or maybe have 5 teams per conference, with the two wild cards playing a best-of-3.

Then again, I've been to two NBA games in my life and didn't pay either time, so my opinion is highly irrelevant to David Stern.
 
2014-01-08 12:36:00 PM  

HaywoodJablonski: Because the 82-game season is too long and taxing. So you don't get the best out of every player every night. With more on the line in the regular season it becomes more compelling. As it is, I can happily ignore 95% of all games in the regular season for no penalty.

The playoffs take TWO MONTHS. That's way too long, and I don't have enough interest (mostly because the long regular season hasn't drawn me in) to follow closely enough.


Back-to-back games need to be eliminated as well.
 
2014-01-08 12:37:11 PM  

HaywoodJablonski: Because the 82-game season is too long and taxing. So you don't get the best out of every player every night. With more on the line in the regular season it becomes more compelling. As it is, I can happily ignore 95% of all games in the regular season for no penalty.

The playoffs take TWO MONTHS. That's way too long, and I don't have enough interest (mostly because the long regular season hasn't drawn me in) to follow closely enough.


You have the same criticism of the NHL?

And they length of the Playoffs sucks but it has more to do with time off between every game.  I wouldnt be opposed to going back to a best of five in the first round.
 
2014-01-08 12:43:18 PM  

Gunny Highway: dentalhilljack: Gunny Highway: dentalhilljack: No more teams in the playoffs!  What've we've got now works fine.  Don't be like the NBA.

Half of the teams in the NBA make the playoffs.  The regular season matters.  You just dont like the NBA and that is okay.

Thank you with helping me get over my blind hatred.  I can see clearly now.  In fact, I know recognize that of all leagues, college football has it right.  Why stop at half the league being eligible?  We should have a postseason where almost 60% of the teams are eligible!!!

How would you fix the NBA Playoffs?


Realign the two conferences back to two divisions each.
Each division champ gets a playoff berth.
Two teams from each conference left with the best records regardless of division gets a berth.
Two rounds of conference playoffs, one round of Finals.

Baseball used to get this right with the pennant races before they screwed the pooch too.  Nowadays every league is broken into micro divisions with a small handful of teams so we can get tons of "division champs", handing out trophies like they were participatory.  And if one division is better than another then lets add a team from there as a wild card because they had a good season and it's only fair.  Total bullshiat  - every league is racing toward the bottom edge of the "playoffs"

You should only be in the playoffs if you're real good, not average.  A .500 record means crap, and the NFL is drifting precariously close to snowflake mentality.  Take this past weekend - half these games are "wild, instant classics", but in reality they happened because the teams involved suck.  Chiefs-Colts.  An epic struggle of great football?  Hardly.  The Colts played like shiat in the first half, the Chiefs choked in the second.  The Chargers weren't that much better than the Bengals - Andy Dalton played like a kid with cerebral palsy.  Wait, that's not fair - the CP kid would have been better.

Cut out the pretender teams from the playoff scene and let the teams who proved their worth play.  It would shorten the postseason and make the playoffs more of a struggle between great teams, which will generate more interest.

Then again, I'm looking at the product on the field (or court) of play.  I'm not factoring in the dollar signs every owner has from collecting ticket sales for one or more games (or series) at twice the price, the league owners soaking out more broadcast fees, the TV networks selling more advertising, or the players getting per game bonuses.  And in the battle between quality and cash, we unfortunately know who wins.
 
2014-01-08 12:43:19 PM  

HaywoodJablonski: Gunny Highway: dentalhilljack: Gunny Highway: dentalhilljack: No more teams in the playoffs!  What've we've got now works fine.  Don't be like the NBA.

Half of the teams in the NBA make the playoffs.  The regular season matters.  You just dont like the NBA and that is okay.

Thank you with helping me get over my blind hatred.  I can see clearly now.  In fact, I know recognize that of all leagues, college football has it right.  Why stop at half the league being eligible?  We should have a postseason where almost 60% of the teams are eligible!!!

How would you fix the NBA Playoffs?

Shorten the season by 20 games
Shorten each game by 10 minutes
Shorten the number of games in the early rounds (3 then 5 then 7)

Immediate improvement to the quality of play in the league and the excitement of the playoffs. You might even get Finals ratings that win that evening's competition


I like how everyone talks about how long the NBA season is, but no one talks about cutting the MLB season in half from its ridiculous 162 games. Or the NHL from its identical 82 games. And people complain that half the NBA gets in the playoffs, but that's apparently totally ok for the NHL.

Also, cutting the game by 10 minutes would make it 38 mins long, which doesn't divide into 4 quarters. Your solutions are arbitrary, and there's not way of knowing whether it would show "immediate improvement to the quality of play". It just means less basketball, which, as a basketball fan, I'm opposed to.
 
2014-01-08 12:45:40 PM  

Gunny Highway: HaywoodJablonski: Because the 82-game season is too long and taxing. So you don't get the best out of every player every night. With more on the line in the regular season it becomes more compelling. As it is, I can happily ignore 95% of all games in the regular season for no penalty.

The playoffs take TWO MONTHS. That's way too long, and I don't have enough interest (mostly because the long regular season hasn't drawn me in) to follow closely enough.

You have the same criticism of the NHL?

And they length of the Playoffs sucks but it has more to do with time off between every game.  I wouldnt be opposed to going back to a best of five in the first round.


I don't care about the NHL.
 
2014-01-08 12:47:46 PM  

dentalhilljack: It would shorten the postseason and make the playoffs more of a struggle between great teams, which will generate more interest.


Did you, or anyone else who thinks the NBA needs to "fix" their playoff system, watch the Conference Finals and Finals last year?

/I like some of your ideas though.
 
2014-01-08 12:48:59 PM  

dentalhilljack: Baseball used to get this right with the pennant races before they screwed the pooch too.  Nowadays every league is broken into micro divisions with a small handful of teams so we can get tons of "division champs", handing out trophies like they were participatory.  And if one division is better than another then lets add a team from there as a wild card because they had a good season and it's only fair.  Total bullshiat  - every league is racing toward the bottom edge of the "playoffs"


I was really hoping the NFL went to 4 8-team divisions when it went to 32 teams-- that would make winning your division kind of a big deal (like winning your conference in college).  You could even stick with the 6-teams-per-conference format, but just give the two byes to the division champs.  The 10-6 Cardinals easily deserved a playoff spot over the Packers this year, but it wasn't to be.  It's just too easy for 4 teams in one division to be really bad/injured and screw it all up.
 
2014-01-08 12:49:42 PM  

Car_Ramrod: HaywoodJablonski: Gunny Highway: dentalhilljack: Gunny Highway: dentalhilljack: No more teams in the playoffs!  What've we've got now works fine.  Don't be like the NBA.

Half of the teams in the NBA make the playoffs.  The regular season matters.  You just dont like the NBA and that is okay.

Thank you with helping me get over my blind hatred.  I can see clearly now.  In fact, I know recognize that of all leagues, college football has it right.  Why stop at half the league being eligible?  We should have a postseason where almost 60% of the teams are eligible!!!

How would you fix the NBA Playoffs?

Shorten the season by 20 games
Shorten each game by 10 minutes
Shorten the number of games in the early rounds (3 then 5 then 7)

Immediate improvement to the quality of play in the league and the excitement of the playoffs. You might even get Finals ratings that win that evening's competition

I like how everyone talks about how long the NBA season is, but no one talks about cutting the MLB season in half from its ridiculous 162 games. Or the NHL from its identical 82 games. And people complain that half the NBA gets in the playoffs, but that's apparently totally ok for the NHL.

Also, cutting the game by 10 minutes would make it 38 mins long, which doesn't divide into 4 quarters. Your solutions are arbitrary, and there's not way of knowing whether it would show "immediate improvement to the quality of play". It just means less basketball, which, as a basketball fan, I'm opposed to.


48 minutes for the NBA game could be okay if the players had time to recuperate.

And as I said above, I don't care about the NHL. Hell, they invented the over-saturation of playoff teams.

Baseball gets a pass for the long season because a) the game doesn't take as much out of the players and b) the playoffs are still restricted to the best of the best
 
2014-01-08 12:51:12 PM  

HaywoodJablonski: Baseball gets a pass for the long season because a) the game doesn't take as much out of the players and b) the playoffs are still restricted to the best of the best


Do you watch the NBA playoffs?
 
2014-01-08 12:54:53 PM  

Gunny Highway: HaywoodJablonski: Baseball gets a pass for the long season because a) the game doesn't take as much out of the players and b) the playoffs are still restricted to the best of the best

Do you watch the NBA playoffs?


No. As mentioned before I don't have a vested interest in the teams so asking me to do so for TWO MONTHS is asking too much
 
2014-01-08 12:54:55 PM  

Gunny Highway: dentalhilljack: It would shorten the postseason and make the playoffs more of a struggle between great teams, which will generate more interest.

Did you, or anyone else who thinks the NBA needs to "fix" their playoff system, watch the Conference Finals and Finals last year?

/I like some of your ideas though.


I did not, which makes my opinions invalid right?  Still doesn't change my belief that ALL leagues put way too many teams into their playoffs anymore.


/Lost all interest in the NBA when George Shinn and Ratboy Ray Woolridge ripped the Hornets from Charlotte.  That sure worked out great for both Charlotte and New Orleans!
//Not
 
2014-01-08 12:59:25 PM  

HaywoodJablonski: Gunny Highway: HaywoodJablonski: Baseball gets a pass for the long season because a) the game doesn't take as much out of the players and b) the playoffs are still restricted to the best of the best

Do you watch the NBA playoffs?

No. As mentioned before I don't have a vested interest in the teams so asking me to do so for TWO MONTHS is asking too much


As a basketball fan you should at least check out the conference final and Finals.  They were great last year (the entire Playoffs were awesome last year).

dentalhilljack: I did not, which makes my opinions invalid right? Still doesn't change my belief that ALL leagues put way too many teams into their playoffs anymore.


The quality of play is pretty good right now.
 
2014-01-08 01:01:15 PM  

grinding_journalist: HaywoodJablonski: You mean DPI?

Yes.

NeoCortex42: 5 yards for DPI would be terrible. It would probably end up being worth it for the defense to take the five yard penalty and just intentionally interfere with some long plays.

As opposed to "chuck it deep and wait for the flag"? Fine, give them 10 yards- but the notion of "he grabbed his wrist for a quarter second, give him 60 yards" is asinine.


Again, the NFL has the dumbest version of this rule - they actually have the worst version of EVERY rule that is different between them and every other type of gridiron football (except the CFL still having uprights in the middle of the field).

In NCAA FB, it's a yardage and a first down rule, not a spot foul (unless it's shorter than the yardage). I don't see significantly more intentional DPI than in the NFL.

In the AFL, it's usually a yardage/first down call, but there's also a spot foul possibility for when it's blatant, no effort at the ball, mugging of a dude before the ball gets there (I've only seen this called a couple times).

The only issue I have with that is that refs screw enough things up; I'm not sure we want them trying to figure out intent.
 
2014-01-08 01:01:24 PM  

HaywoodJablonski: Baseball gets a pass for the long season because a) the game doesn't take as much out of the players and b) the playoffs are still restricted to the best of the best


HaywoodJablonski: Because the 82-game season is too long and taxing. So you don't get the best out of every player every night. With more on the line in the regular season it becomes more compelling. As it is, I can happily ignore 95% of all games in the regular season for no penalty.

The playoffs take TWO MONTHS. That's way too long, and I don't have enough interest (mostly because the long regular season hasn't drawn me in) to follow closely enough.


So, with baseball, it's not as taxing for the players, so they can put their best on the field every game, 162 times a year, and that means you have to watch it all. But the NBA needs less games, because with 82 games, you can ignore most of them and not miss much. I just don't get it.

I can see arguing for less teams on the playoffs for the NBA, but saying they need less games in the regular season because it's boring and doesn't draw you in, but 162 games for the MLB is just fine... I just don't understand.
 
2014-01-08 01:05:59 PM  

Car_Ramrod: HaywoodJablonski: Baseball gets a pass for the long season because a) the game doesn't take as much out of the players and b) the playoffs are still restricted to the best of the best

HaywoodJablonski: Because the 82-game season is too long and taxing. So you don't get the best out of every player every night. With more on the line in the regular season it becomes more compelling. As it is, I can happily ignore 95% of all games in the regular season for no penalty.

The playoffs take TWO MONTHS. That's way too long, and I don't have enough interest (mostly because the long regular season hasn't drawn me in) to follow closely enough.

So, with baseball, it's not as taxing for the players, so they can put their best on the field every game, 162 times a year, and that means you have to watch it all. But the NBA needs less games, because with 82 games, you can ignore most of them and not miss much. I just don't get it.

I can see arguing for less teams on the playoffs for the NBA, but saying they need less games in the regular season because it's boring and doesn't draw you in, but 162 games for the MLB is just fine... I just don't understand.


I never said I watch all of the MLB season. But I know that tuning into any random game, I'll get everyone's best effort.
 
2014-01-08 01:10:28 PM  

HaywoodJablonski: Gunny Highway: HaywoodJablonski: Baseball gets a pass for the long season because a) the game doesn't take as much out of the players and b) the playoffs are still restricted to the best of the best

Do you watch the NBA playoffs?

No. As mentioned before I don't have a vested interest in the teams so asking me to do so for TWO MONTHS is asking too much


Do you like watching basketball? Like, that's an honest question. I know I've seen you a bunch on this tab over the years, I just can't really remember.

The reason I ask is I think it's unfair for someone that doesn't like a sport to ask for less of it to exist so they can easily digest it, to the detriment of people that like the sport, and say it would improve the sport (especially when defending the length of another sport that has ~twice the amount of games) Would having only 60 games in a regular season really make you more vested in the teams come playoff time?

Like I said, I can understanding wanting to trim down the playoffs. I thought the 5-7-7-7 format was great (though the epic first round series Bulls-Celtics from a few years ago was amazing. That could've gone on for 15 games for all I cared)
 
2014-01-08 01:13:46 PM  

HaywoodJablonski: Car_Ramrod: HaywoodJablonski: Baseball gets a pass for the long season because a) the game doesn't take as much out of the players and b) the playoffs are still restricted to the best of the best

HaywoodJablonski: Because the 82-game season is too long and taxing. So you don't get the best out of every player every night. With more on the line in the regular season it becomes more compelling. As it is, I can happily ignore 95% of all games in the regular season for no penalty.

The playoffs take TWO MONTHS. That's way too long, and I don't have enough interest (mostly because the long regular season hasn't drawn me in) to follow closely enough.

So, with baseball, it's not as taxing for the players, so they can put their best on the field every game, 162 times a year, and that means you have to watch it all. But the NBA needs less games, because with 82 games, you can ignore most of them and not miss much. I just don't get it.

I can see arguing for less teams on the playoffs for the NBA, but saying they need less games in the regular season because it's boring and doesn't draw you in, but 162 games for the MLB is just fine... I just don't understand.

I never said I watch all of the MLB season. But I know that tuning into any random game, I'll get everyone's best effort.


But, you don't know that. How can you know that? Any team has a chance to shiat the bed or be amazing, just like with any NBA game.
 
2014-01-08 01:15:19 PM  

dentalhilljack: Still doesn't change my belief that ALL leagues put way too many teams into their playoffs anymore.


No one within the leagues cares about your beliefs.

They will continue to have a lot of teams make the playoffs because people hate being connected with a loser and when you're buying season tickets to a team and investing 40 nights a year going to their home games, they want there to be a chance in hell that they at least make the playoffs.

Of course, the NBA insists on having a best-of-seven playoffs so the better team actually advances, instead of the one-and-done format where any team can get on a couple-game hot streak and have an actual chance to win the title, so the titles don't quite work out.
 
2014-01-08 01:17:06 PM  
Every single thing Roger Goodell does makes pro football worse.
 
2014-01-08 01:17:42 PM  

Car_Ramrod: HaywoodJablonski: Gunny Highway: HaywoodJablonski: Baseball gets a pass for the long season because a) the game doesn't take as much out of the players and b) the playoffs are still restricted to the best of the best

Do you watch the NBA playoffs?

No. As mentioned before I don't have a vested interest in the teams so asking me to do so for TWO MONTHS is asking too much

Do you like watching basketball? Like, that's an honest question. I know I've seen you a bunch on this tab over the years, I just can't really remember.

The reason I ask is I think it's unfair for someone that doesn't like a sport to ask for less of it to exist so they can easily digest it, to the detriment of people that like the sport, and say it would improve the sport (especially when defending the length of another sport that has ~twice the amount of games) Would having only 60 games in a regular season really make you more vested in the teams come playoff time?

Like I said, I can understanding wanting to trim down the playoffs. I thought the 5-7-7-7 format was great (though the epic first round series Bulls-Celtics from a few years ago was amazing. That could've gone on for 15 games for all I cared)


Sure. I watched religiously years ago, but my interest has waned over the years for many reasons. I'll still tune in to see the Rockets from time to time and will watch playoff games if I'm not otherwise occupied.
 
2014-01-08 01:18:54 PM  
BTW, it's the same reason for the proliferation of bowl games. It's the same reason that within 20 years, the FBS playoff will have gone from 4 teams to 24 teams or so. Once you've committed to pretending playoffs are the way you're going to go and you work out the money distribution, there's nothing preventing you from expanding the field - all it will do is make you more money...at least until you get to around the "half the teams" point, because you still need to have some reason for a regular season besides exhibition.
 
2014-01-08 01:19:40 PM  
Can we just get rid of the Pro Bowl and turn it into a skills competition? Who runs the fastest? Who jumps the highest? Who can throw more accurately?
 
2014-01-08 01:21:31 PM  

IAmRight: Of course, the NBA insists on having a best-of-seven playoffs so the better team actually advances, instead of the one-and-done format where any team can get on a couple-game hot streak and have an actual chance to win the title, so the titles don't quite work out.


People want everything to be the NFL.

HaywoodJablonski: I'll get everyone's best effort.


How do you know the players arent giving their best effort?  I really do not understand this criticism.
 
2014-01-08 01:28:14 PM  

Gunny Highway: IAmRight: Of course, the NBA insists on having a best-of-seven playoffs so the better team actually advances, instead of the one-and-done format where any team can get on a couple-game hot streak and have an actual chance to win the title, so the titles don't quite work out.

People want everything to be the NFL.

HaywoodJablonski: I'll get everyone's best effort.

How do you know the players arent giving their best effort?  I really do not understand this criticism.


I've seen these players at their best (whether in college or elsewhere in the pros), so I know what's good and what isn't. Every time I put on an NBA regular season game, it looks like most people are sleepwalking through the whole thing. There's no urgency, no atmosphere and no excitement. Do you not get the same impression? Which team do you watch the most?
 
2014-01-08 01:28:35 PM  

Gunny Highway: How do you know the players arent giving their best effort?  I really do not understand this criticism.


Let's be real and admit that coaches and players admit there are such things as "schedule losses".

Of course, there are a hell of a lot of baseball games where players don't give a sh*t either. That's why they've take amphetamines for decades.
 
2014-01-08 01:32:46 PM  
New York metro area gets to host a Super Bowl because of how big of a market it is. If there is another cold-weather city or two that could host it, it would be Chicago and Washington, DC. Maybe someday this could relax and Pittsburgh could host a Super Bowl, with my Steelers in it. This is just a dream of course, but still.
 
2014-01-08 01:34:54 PM  
I love Thursday NFL, but playoffs (Jim Mora) on Friday through Monday? No thanks. Also, more teams? Whatever, just don't go longer seasons, the Packers can't afford injuries.
 
2014-01-08 01:47:25 PM  

HaywoodJablonski: Gunny Highway: IAmRight: Of course, the NBA insists on having a best-of-seven playoffs so the better team actually advances, instead of the one-and-done format where any team can get on a couple-game hot streak and have an actual chance to win the title, so the titles don't quite work out.

People want everything to be the NFL.

HaywoodJablonski: I'll get everyone's best effort.

How do you know the players arent giving their best effort?  I really do not understand this criticism.

I've seen these players at their best (whether in college or elsewhere in the pros), so I know what's good and what isn't. Every time I put on an NBA regular season game, it looks like most people are sleepwalking through the whole thing. There's no urgency, no atmosphere and no excitement. Do you not get the same impression? Which team do you watch the most?


I do not get that impression, no.  I watch the Celtics.

IAmRight: Let's be real and admit that coaches and players admit there are such things as "schedule losses".


Doesnt that have more to do with managing key players minutes more than the players on the floor not giving their best effort.
 
2014-01-08 01:56:57 PM  
I've seen these players at their best (whether in college or elsewhere in the pros), so I know what's good and what isn't. Every time I put on an NBA regular season game, it looks like most people are sleepwalking through the whole thing. There's no urgency, no atmosphere and no excitement. Do you not get the same impression?

This is true beyond a doubt. Just watch a tape of a playoff game, then watch a regular season game. Apples and oranges.
 
2014-01-08 01:58:41 PM  

doubled99: I've seen these players at their best (whether in college or elsewhere in the pros), so I know what's good and what isn't. Every time I put on an NBA regular season game, it looks like most people are sleepwalking through the whole thing. There's no urgency, no atmosphere and no excitement. Do you not get the same impression?

This is true beyond a doubt. Just watch a tape of a playoff game, then watch a regular season game. Apples and oranges.


Thank you. I'm glad I'm not the only one with that impression
 
2014-01-08 02:04:02 PM  

doubled99: I've seen these players at their best (whether in college or elsewhere in the pros), so I know what's good and what isn't. Every time I put on an NBA regular season game, it looks like most people are sleepwalking through the whole thing. There's no urgency, no atmosphere and no excitement. Do you not get the same impression?

This is true beyond a doubt. Just watch a tape of a playoff game, then watch a regular season game. Apples and oranges.


Is that the case with all sports?  There is more urgency in the playoffs but I dont think the guys are trying any harder.  I dont know. maybe I am wrong.
 
2014-01-08 02:30:18 PM  

Gunny Highway: Doesnt that have more to do with managing key players minutes more than the players on the floor not giving their best effort.


Yes, but most don't really draw a distinction.

/realistically, it's stupid to go all-out for 82 games when the "ones that matter" come in June
//of course, the same can be said about all sports
///NFL teams rest players, too
 
2014-01-08 02:35:39 PM  

IAmRight: Gunny Highway: Doesnt that have more to do with managing key players minutes more than the players on the floor not giving their best effort.

Yes, but most don't really draw a distinction.

/realistically, it's stupid to go all-out for 82 games when the "ones that matter" come in June
//of course, the same can be said about all sports
///NFL teams rest players, too


Outside of weeks 16 and 17, when do NFL teams rest players? And other than those nursing injuries? Each game is 8% of a team's games. You simply can't afford to take a game off
 
2014-01-08 02:40:00 PM  

HaywoodJablonski: Outside of weeks 16 and 17, when do NFL teams rest players? And other than those nursing injuries? Each game is 8% of a team's games. You simply can't afford to take a game off


And they give 100% effort on every play.
 
2014-01-08 02:40:39 PM  

Gunny Highway: HaywoodJablonski: Outside of weeks 16 and 17, when do NFL teams rest players? And other than those nursing injuries? Each game is 8% of a team's games. You simply can't afford to take a game off

And they give 100% effort on every play.


Pretty much
 
2014-01-08 02:42:32 PM  

HaywoodJablonski: Gunny Highway: HaywoodJablonski: Outside of weeks 16 and 17, when do NFL teams rest players? And other than those nursing injuries? Each game is 8% of a team's games. You simply can't afford to take a game off

And they give 100% effort on every play.

Pretty much


Ohhh okay.
 
2014-01-08 02:49:42 PM  

IAmRight: Gunny Highway: Doesnt that have more to do with managing key players minutes more than the players on the floor not giving their best effort.

Yes, but most don't really draw a distinction.

/realistically, it's stupid to go all-out for 82 games when the "ones that matter" come in June
//of course, the same can be said about all sports
///NFL teams rest players, too


Tom Thibodeau has no idea what you're talking about right now.
 
2014-01-08 02:49:50 PM  
Roger Goodell is apparently attempting to skullfark every last penny out of the NFL and its fans, and will exit his position only when the corpse is well past dead.

I believe that it's called Killing the Golden Goose.
 
2014-01-08 03:13:26 PM  

eagles95: xaks: As much as I'd love to see a Superb Owl in Green Bay just for the lulz and history, I'm not sure they have the needed infrastructure in place to support it properly.

Havent been there in 15 years though, so it may have changed since I left.

Besides one of the main bridges almost collapsing into the icy river nothing has changed. I dont think the state of WI has enough hotel rooms to host a Super Bowl. Not to mention transportation infrastructure to handle 100's of thousands of fans.

/Wait...1 thing changed in GB...we got a Costco


If Indy can host one so can GB.  Travel time from Milwaukee is probably on par with travel time getting from NYC to NJ this year.  I'm still hoping there are sub-zero temps this year for the Superb Owl and it is a complete cluster.
 
2014-01-08 03:26:32 PM  

mjbok: eagles95: xaks: As much as I'd love to see a Superb Owl in Green Bay just for the lulz and history, I'm not sure they have the needed infrastructure in place to support it properly.

Havent been there in 15 years though, so it may have changed since I left.

Besides one of the main bridges almost collapsing into the icy river nothing has changed. I dont think the state of WI has enough hotel rooms to host a Super Bowl. Not to mention transportation infrastructure to handle 100's of thousands of fans.

/Wait...1 thing changed in GB...we got a Costco

If Indy can host one so can GB.  Travel time from Milwaukee is probably on par with travel time getting from NYC to NJ this year.  I'm still hoping there are sub-zero temps this year for the Superb Owl and it is a complete cluster.


It is one hour and fifty minutes from downtown MKE to downtown GB with no traffic.  With Super Bowl traffic and security, it would be at least three hours.

Ain't gonna happen.  There simply are not enough hotel rooms, let alone other necessary infrastructure, close enough to Lambeau to make this work unless and until Goodell manages to turn the league into the NHL.
 
2014-01-08 03:32:09 PM  
BTW, the Indianapolis MSA is literally an order of magnitude larger than the GB MSA, and is the 33rd largest in the US.  Green Bay's is 185th.
 
2014-01-08 03:39:01 PM  

bronyaur1: BTW, the Indianapolis MSA is literally an order of magnitude larger than the GB MSA, and is the 33rd largest in the US.  Green Bay's is 185th.


I was comparing Indy to Milwaukee, figuring that the 90 minute (what I remember from doing that drive not actual distance) drive is comparable to trying to get to the New Meadowlands.  There are also several smaller cities surrounding Green Bay that around an hour driving time.  It's possible.  It won't happen, but it's possible.
 
2014-01-08 03:52:03 PM  

HaywoodJablonski: Outside of weeks 16 and 17, when do NFL teams rest players? And other than those nursing injuries?


Outside of possibly 16 percent of the schedule as well as players who are semi-injured (as in "I'd play if it were the playoffs")...well, you're giving one league a whole bunch of excuses for something you're not giving the NBA an excuse for.

It's like the NHL fans that complain about how long the NBA postseason; theirs is just as long and they have just as many breaks between games. And the same percentage of teams get in.

regindyn: Tom Thibodeau has no idea what you're talking about right now.


True. Thibs is one of those guys who's great at small-picture coaching and kinda sucks big-picture.
 
2014-01-08 04:55:34 PM  

fruitloop: "Every city can't host a Super Bowl just because of the sheer enormity of this event. ... Will we look at other Super Bowls in cold-weather sites? I think we'll wait and make that evaluation later."

Translation: fark off, Cleveland.  Toronto will get a Super Bowl before you do.

/A Chicago SB would be badass.
//Could Seattle host a SB?


Haters gonna hate, but Foxboro could show up on a short list.

/Kraft is the anti-Snyder
 
2014-01-08 05:11:15 PM  
mjbok - it is all but assured that until,Miller Park is replaced, Milwaukee will never have an All Star game due to infrastructure issues and hotel shortages. The Super Bowl (wtf is it with that owl bs? You're not cool) is WAY bigger than the MLB all star game.
 
2014-01-08 05:12:58 PM  
So even if most people commuted up, there is no way GB could host one without some sort Olympics style remodel of the entire area, which always works out well for the host city.
 
2014-01-08 07:24:45 PM  
No more wildcard teams.

6 teams is perfect.
 
2014-01-09 08:40:15 AM  
Remember when all the big CF bowl games used to be on New Years?
And all the BCS games were on one network; all in a row?

Those were good times.
I used to watch CF then. Now I don't.
 
2014-01-09 08:42:10 AM  
I hope the Super Bowl this year has the worst farking weather in history.  An Artic Vortex followed by a Blizzard of 78 proportions, followed by a Nor'easter .
 
2014-01-09 09:32:35 AM  
I say get rid of the bye weeks and seed the teams 1-8, it is not too much and teams that have already clinch the playoffs can better strategize when resting their best players and not too long of a layoff.
 
2014-01-09 02:27:59 PM  
Seriously, the players can play in the teens, and the fans will watch it, but the farking Super Bowl fans won't come? You're a moron Goodell. Hell, maybe it would allow the working class folks a chance to go to the SB once in awhile... Jesus, I saw a NE game years back where the stands were buried in snow, and the fans just dug out their seats, and basically sat in an igloo for the whole game. Gonna start calling games because of rain, too? MLB can give you some pointers on how to keep your players from ever getting their uniforms mussed up.

And more playoffs? Jeez, it's gonna be like the NHL soon, and we'll have 3 months of playoffs. Why not just let EVERY team into the playoffs? Give them all a Certificate of Participation?

Seriously though, how did this guy get to be commissioner? He doesn't seem to know shiat about his sport.
 
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