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2014-01-08 07:32:43 AM  
Does anyone else think JFK was basically satirizing the whole conspiracy theory thing?
 
2014-01-08 07:41:33 AM  
1. JFK destroyed your faith in the American political system.

No it didn't, because it was so blatantly fictional, it could be at best described as "based on true events".

2. The Day After Tomorrow made you care more about global warming.

No it didn't, because I didn't see it.

3. The Cider House Rules turned you pro-choice.

No it didn't, because I didn't see it.

4. Malcolm X inspired you to be more concerned about racial discrimination and race relations.

No it didn't, because I didn't see it.

5. All the President's Men caused Republicans to favor more restrictions on the press.

That one may be somewhat true, but doesn't include me.  I'm not a Republican, though, so whatever.   I really don't like any restrictions on *ANY* of the fundamental rights protected by the Bill of Rights.

As Good As It Gets only made me want to nail Helen Hunt even more, and I didn't see The Rainmaker.
 
2014-01-08 07:41:35 AM  
It's sad to think that people who's politics can be changed by viewing fiction (even JFK when Stone got through with it) are allowed to vote.
 
2014-01-08 07:42:12 AM  

SurfaceTension: Does anyone else think JFK was basically satirizing the whole conspiracy theory thing?


I think Oliver Stone was more or less serious, but you really can watch the movie that way and it might be better like that.

Not many movies have affected my political views. Maybe Clockwork Orange or Falling Down.
 
2014-01-08 07:43:42 AM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: It's sad to think that people who's politics can be changed by viewing fiction (even JFK when Stone got through with it) are allowed to vote.


There's nothing wrong with letting fiction color your worldview. People have been using books for that purpose for millenia.
 
2014-01-08 07:47:28 AM  

SurfaceTension: Does anyone else think JFK was basically satirizing the whole conspiracy theory thing?


That's probably the best way to look at it, but it was played entirely too straight, and Oliver Stone himself does think there was a conspiracy to kill Kennedy:

I guess it pushes people back, and to the left.
 
2014-01-08 07:48:08 AM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: It's sad to think that people who's politics can be changed by viewing fiction (even JFK when Stone got through with it) are allowed to vote.



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2014-01-08 07:52:02 AM  

Confabulat: SurfaceTension: Does anyone else think JFK was basically satirizing the whole conspiracy theory thing?

I think Oliver Stone was more or less serious, but you really can watch the movie that way and it might be better like that.

Not many movies have affected my political views. Maybe Clockwork Orange or Falling Down.


Few have effected mine, that I'm aware of.  I don't make up my mind on fiction, or at best fictionalized accounts of real events, and I can think of very, very, *VERY* few films that have told the story straight-up in an unbiased way.  The only one that comes immediately to mind is "Tora, Tora, Tora".
 
2014-01-08 07:53:43 AM  

Sybarite: IamKaiserSoze!!!: It's sad to think that people who's politics can be changed by viewing fiction (even JFK when Stone got through with it) are allowed to vote.


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2014-01-08 07:54:49 AM  

dittybopper: Sybarite: IamKaiserSoze!!!: It's sad to think that people who's politics can be changed by viewing fiction (even JFK when Stone got through with it) are allowed to vote.


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2014-01-08 07:58:02 AM  
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2014-01-08 07:59:53 AM  

Confabulat: Not many movies have affected my political views. Maybe Clockwork Orange or Falling Down.


I can't think of a movie that affected mine. At least not in the liberal/conservative dichotemy. But my general philosophical approach to life is more liberal, and I can think of several movies (e.g. Star Wars, Dead Poets Society) that contributed to that view.

The only work of fiction that ever did affect my political views was the book 1984, which I read years before ever seeing the movie version.  But even that's less of a liberal/conservative book than a pro/anti-authoritarian book.

What really pushed me towards being a liberal, besides having liberal parents, was listening to Rush Limbaugh. Seriously, once you realize just how full of shiat he actually is, it's pretty easy to flip to the liberal view.
 
2014-01-08 07:59:56 AM  
I vote for hot voting woman.
 
2014-01-08 08:00:08 AM  
I'll give 24 Hours credit for effecting peoples political beliefs and in turn how the government functioned.  For a while a lot of people thought the world would be safe from terrorists if we just tortured enough people.
 
2014-01-08 08:01:02 AM  

dittybopper: I guess it pushes people back, and to the left.


Nice!
 
2014-01-08 08:02:38 AM  
5. All the President's Men caused Republicans to favor more restrictions on the press.

Actually, I'm pretty sure Republicans wanting to hide the truth caused Republicans to favor restrictions on the press. Or, do you think Spiro Agnew stepped down to spend more time with his family?
 
2014-01-08 08:03:54 AM  
I'm only counting 5 there.

IamKaiserSoze!!!: It's sad to think that people who's politics can be changed by viewing fiction (even JFK when Stone got through with it) are allowed to vote.


Isn't there a story that Reagan didn't take nuclear war (or the potential aftermath of it) very seriously until after he saw a (fictional) film about the aftermath? (I think it might have been one about the old british couple slowly dying?).

I definately remember an NPR story about that, but I can't remember the details.
 
2014-01-08 08:03:55 AM  
The only one of those movies I've actually watched was Malcolm X, though I've heard of all of them.
 
2014-01-08 08:04:22 AM  
Game Change actually made me feel a little bad for Palin.
That part when they get a doctor to see if she's gone crazy and he tells them that for a woman that's over her head, just gave birth to a special needs child, found out her teen daughter is preggers and sent one son to Iraq... She was doing fine did humanized her a little bit. Most people wouldn't be able to deal with all that without breaking down somehow. she is still an idiot and I don't agree with her on anything, but I felt for her.
 
2014-01-08 08:05:59 AM  

Muta: I'll give 24 Hours credit for effecting peoples political beliefs and in turn how the government functioned.  For a while a lot of people thought the world would be safe from terrorists if we just tortured enough people.


Fark, didn't *SCALIA* cite 24 when talking about torture/referring to a "Ticking Time Bomb" scenario?

(Why they didn't just give out false info to stop the torture, or implicate someone innocent, or do it double blind so most of them DIDN'T KNOW where the bomb was, I'll never friggen know.)
 
2014-01-08 08:06:14 AM  
1.JFK destroyed your faith in the American political system.

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OK, no not really. I read one more.

2.The Day After Tomorrow made you care more about global warming.

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For reals.
 
2014-01-08 08:06:37 AM  
Seven?  I see five.

Where are the other two?

(It's not just subby, the article's headline also says seven)
 
2014-01-08 08:10:36 AM  

StopLurkListen: Seven?  I see five.

Where are the other two?

(It's not just subby, the article's headline also says seven)


The other two are "Mac and Me" and "Corvette Summer"
 
2014-01-08 08:11:06 AM  

dittybopper: dittybopper: Sybarite: IamKaiserSoze!!!: It's sad to think that people who's politics can be changed by viewing fiction (even JFK when Stone got through with it) are allowed to vote.


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/Two sides of the same coin.

Now with image-y goodness.


Remind me again wheren MSNBC said they were Fair and Balanced?

Remind me again how many studies have said MSNBC viewers are the least informed (or most infromed, as it were)?
 
2014-01-08 08:12:00 AM  

StopLurkListen: Seven?  I see five.

Where are the other two?

(It's not just subby, the article's headline also says seven)


Rainmaker and As Good as it Gets.  They decided to use them in the preamble and then start listing the third film as the first.
 
2014-01-08 08:12:21 AM  
The original "Red Dawn" is a good documentary that details the need for un-quashed 2nd amendment rights. Really, every gun-grabber should watch it.
 
2014-01-08 08:13:33 AM  
We need more articles from the make-stuff-up department.
 
2014-01-08 08:15:12 AM  

StopLurkListen: Seven?  I see five.

Where are the other two?

(It's not just subby, the article's headline also says seven)


Hidden, unnumbered in the first paragraphs.

JFK just made me kind of sad that there is still a cult of people who are interested in JFK, as a conspiracy, or as a presidency. The reality is pretty bland.

The Day After Tomorrow isnt climate science, its farking climate science FICTION.

Cider House Rules? Apples are good I guess. Wouldn't see a movie about 'em.

Malcolm X: One of those movies I wanted to see at one point, never got to it.

All the President's Men: Republicans favoring more restrictions on things that bring the light of truth to their shenanigans? Not the party of freedom and personal responsibility! I AM SHOCKED, JUST SHOCKED.
 
2014-01-08 08:15:25 AM  
I was watching a documentary on prohibition yesterday and it mentioned a silent film made to support banning alcohol. Can anyone help me figure out which film it was? my google fu is lacking
 
2014-01-08 08:16:18 AM  

snowshovel: The original "Red Dawn" is a good documentary that details the need for un-quashed 2nd amendment rights. Really, every gun-grabber should watch it.


You know, as a gun grabber myself, I just don't find satisfaction in my work anymore.  Long hours, low pay, very little support from management.  They just keep yelling at me "Go out there and grab some guns, I don't give a sh*t if the polar vortex is sucking out the heat faster than your mom can suck out the cream of a donut!"
 
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2014-01-08 08:17:39 AM  
JFK destroyed your faith in the American political system.

Um... was the writer alive during the Bush administration?  That is what killed faith in the US system, not a movie.
 
2014-01-08 08:18:03 AM  
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"I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you," and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest that you pick up a weapon and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to."
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-01-08 08:18:28 AM  

snowshovel: The original "Red Dawn" is a good documentary that details the need for un-quashed 2nd amendment rights. Really, every gun-grabber should watch it.


There are certain "terms" that automatically get comments dropped to "Poe's Law" status, and "Gun Grabber" is one of them.
 
2014-01-08 08:19:31 AM  

coeyagi: StopLurkListen: Seven?  I see five.

Where are the other two?

(It's not just subby, the article's headline also says seven)

Rainmaker and As Good as it Gets.  They decided to use them in the preamble and then start listing the third film as the first.


Ah... thanks!
 
2014-01-08 08:19:50 AM  

coeyagi: dittybopper: dittybopper: Sybarite: IamKaiserSoze!!!: It's sad to think that people who's politics can be changed by viewing fiction (even JFK when Stone got through with it) are allowed to vote.


[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x210]

[upload.wikimedia.org image 200x44]

/Two sides of the same coin.

Now with image-y goodness.

Remind me again wheren MSNBC said they were Fair and Balanced?

Remind me again how many studies have said MSNBC viewers are the least informed (or most infromed, as it were)?


I just saw an ad on MSNBC (For MSNBC.com) that was narrated by Al Sharpton.

Any network that puts Al out there as the face of it, let alone give him a prime time show, has pretty much lost any/all credibility.

I find Fox and MSNBC in the same position, that of being part of the problem and not the solution.
 
2014-01-08 08:21:18 AM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: coeyagi: dittybopper: dittybopper: Sybarite: IamKaiserSoze!!!: It's sad to think that people who's politics can be changed by viewing fiction (even JFK when Stone got through with it) are allowed to vote.


[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x210]

[upload.wikimedia.org image 200x44]

/Two sides of the same coin.

Now with image-y goodness.

Remind me again wheren MSNBC said they were Fair and Balanced?

Remind me again how many studies have said MSNBC viewers are the least informed (or most infromed, as it were)?


I just saw an ad on MSNBC (For MSNBC.com) that was narrated by Al Sharpton.

Any network that puts Al out there as the face of it, let alone give him a prime time show, has pretty much lost any/all credibility.

I find Fox and MSNBC in the same position, that of being part of the problem and not the solution.


BSABSV....CNN?

Again, let me remind you of how they are completely different (see bold above).

1) One doesn't pretend to be fair and balanced.
2) One doesn't make the brain matter of its viewers equivalent to mashed potatoes.
 
2014-01-08 08:24:00 AM  
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I'd change my vote for her.
 
2014-01-08 08:24:04 AM  
Dirty Dancinghelped make me pro-choice.
Bambi made me think negatively about hunters.
Cinderella convinced me that women were just in it for the money.
Real Geniusand Sneakers convinced me that geeks were good.
The Empire Strikes Back convinced that incest should be legal.
Robocop made me afraid of the police state.
And Some Like It Hot (seen in a drive-in) convinced me that cross dressing was funny.  And that girls weren't icky after all.

Can I has article now?
 
2014-01-08 08:26:16 AM  

coeyagi: IamKaiserSoze!!!: coeyagi: dittybopper: dittybopper: Sybarite: IamKaiserSoze!!!: It's sad to think that people who's politics can be changed by viewing fiction (even JFK when Stone got through with it) are allowed to vote.


[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x210]

[upload.wikimedia.org image 200x44]

/Two sides of the same coin.

Now with image-y goodness.

Remind me again wheren MSNBC said they were Fair and Balanced?

Remind me again how many studies have said MSNBC viewers are the least informed (or most infromed, as it were)?

I just saw an ad on MSNBC (For MSNBC.com) that was narrated by Al Sharpton.

Any network that puts Al out there as the face of it, let alone give him a prime time show, has pretty much lost any/all credibility.

I find Fox and MSNBC in the same position, that of being part of the problem and not the solution.

BSABSV....CNN?

Again, let me remind you of how they are completely different (see bold above).

1) One doesn't pretend to be fair and balanced.
2) One doesn't make the brain matter of its viewers equivalent to mashed potatoes.


I disagree. MSNBC was once a valid news outlet, now it's just Fox in reverse. I don't need propaganda in my cable news but that's all they offer.

And CNN is mostly interested in just  grabbing the lowest common denominator, no matter what their politics.'

All three are far from quality news outlets and shouldn't be treated as such.
 
2014-01-08 08:26:36 AM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: It's sad to think that people who's politics can be changed by viewing fiction (even JFK when Stone got through with it) are allowed to vote.


Because works of fiction are often the only way many people are able to experience issues that they probably don't have much real-life experience with.  They're vehicles of empathy.  Yes it can be, and has been, abused by propaganda films that falsify actions and motives in order to drive the desired empathetic response.  But I'd still rather see people vote based on how they perceive--correctly or not--how an issue affects other people rather than voting out of complete ignorance.
 
2014-01-08 08:28:09 AM  
Cider House Blues made me anti-Tobey Maguire.

"Hello, Hollywood Casting!"

"Yes, we're doing a movie about abortion. We need someone that can have an unchanging dopey look on his face throughout the entire gamut of emotions explored in the movie."

"We have Tobey Maguire free!"

"Perfect!"
 
2014-01-08 08:28:13 AM  
Monty Python and the Holy Grail made me an anarcho-syndicalist.

The Lord of the Rings made me favor legalizing pipeweed and better funding for school-second-breakfast programs.
 
2014-01-08 08:29:05 AM  

Confabulat: coeyagi: IamKaiserSoze!!!: coeyagi: dittybopper: dittybopper: Sybarite: IamKaiserSoze!!!: It's sad to think that people who's politics can be changed by viewing fiction (even JFK when Stone got through with it) are allowed to vote.


[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x210]

[upload.wikimedia.org image 200x44]

/Two sides of the same coin.

Now with image-y goodness.

Remind me again wheren MSNBC said they were Fair and Balanced?

Remind me again how many studies have said MSNBC viewers are the least informed (or most infromed, as it were)?

I just saw an ad on MSNBC (For MSNBC.com) that was narrated by Al Sharpton.

Any network that puts Al out there as the face of it, let alone give him a prime time show, has pretty much lost any/all credibility.

I find Fox and MSNBC in the same position, that of being part of the problem and not the solution.

BSABSV....CNN?

Again, let me remind you of how they are completely different (see bold above).

1) One doesn't pretend to be fair and balanced.
2) One doesn't make the brain matter of its viewers equivalent to mashed potatoes.

I disagree. MSNBC was once a valid news outlet, now it's just Fox in reverse. I don't need propaganda in my cable news but that's all they offer.

And CNN is mostly interested in just  grabbing the lowest common denominator, no matter what their politics.'

All three are far from quality news outlets and shouldn't be treated as such.


Ok, so you just ignored the part where I said FoxNews viewers are the least informed and MSNBC viewers are not.

I know, I know, you have your opinions and facts can't be used to persuade you that one is by far worse than the others.

I understand.  You're CONCERNED.
 
2014-01-08 08:29:40 AM  
Considering a lot of people think Amadeus is based on a true story (Mozart and Salieri probably never talked to one another).  I wouldn't be surprised that a movie could sway someone's vote.
 
2014-01-08 08:29:58 AM  
When Christian fundmentalists got Monty Python and the Life of Brian removed from the only theater in town, they created a lifetime enemy in me, so there's that.
 
2014-01-08 08:30:28 AM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: [cdn1.membean.com image 500x280]

"I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you," and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest that you pick up a weapon and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to."


Figures that you'd like the villain.
 
2014-01-08 08:31:18 AM  

coeyagi: Ok, so you just ignored the part where I said FoxNews viewers are the least informed and MSNBC viewers are not.

I know, I know, you have your opinions and facts can't be used to persuade you that one is by far worse than the others.

I understand.  You're CONCERNED.


I'm not defending Fox. I'm slamming MSNBC. Once NBC fled the arrangement, they stopped being a valid news site and they really no are any better than Fox. Just because their political slant is more similar to mine, doesn't mean they aren't exactly the same beast.
 
2014-01-08 08:32:22 AM  

theknuckler_33: Zeb Hesselgresser: [cdn1.membean.com image 500x280]

"I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you," and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest that you pick up a weapon and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to."

Figures that you'd like the villain.


Didn't you hear?  Cheney and Co. were drinking Mountain Dew: Code Red during their quick deliberations on whether or not to use waterboarding.
 
2014-01-08 08:32:56 AM  
My political views were shaped by one movie... Repo Man.

Lattices of coincidence, man...
 
2014-01-08 08:33:36 AM  

Confabulat: coeyagi: Ok, so you just ignored the part where I said FoxNews viewers are the least informed and MSNBC viewers are not.

I know, I know, you have your opinions and facts can't be used to persuade you that one is by far worse than the others.

I understand.  You're CONCERNED.

I'm not defending Fox. I'm slamming MSNBC. Once NBC fled the arrangement, they stopped being a valid news site and they really no are any better than Fox. Just because their political slant is more similar to mine, doesn't mean they aren't exactly the same beast.


Except, they are better than Fox.  Their viewers have not become retarded by viewing them.  I know you want to hate on MSNBC, but the reality that they are "no better than Fox" is not supported by facts.
 
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