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(Eater)   Indie coffeehouses in DC unveil "disloyalty program" for hipsters who pledge to avoid Starbucks and patronize their network of six thoroughly anti-corporate java joints   (eater.com) divider line 112
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2014-01-07 11:49:32 PM  
I don't even drink coffee.
 
2014-01-07 11:49:33 PM  
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2014-01-08 01:14:46 AM  
well good

death to corporate pigs and their burnt coffee anyway
 
2014-01-08 01:19:02 AM  
Business 101, my friends.  Sell the sizzle, not the steak.
 
2014-01-08 01:23:18 AM  
Real hipsters are broke and can't afford Starbucks anyway.
 
2014-01-08 01:26:45 AM  
If they have Yerba Mate, I might check them out.
 
2014-01-08 01:29:40 AM  
I don't particularly like Starbucks product. This is why I might go somewhere else. The complaint about big corporate chain coffee stores is specious. The people advancing it are just about always merely pissed because they didn't get it together to go national first.
 
2014-01-08 01:37:40 AM  
Avoiding Starbucks is all fine and dandy, but if you go to six independent coffee houses you will run into at least two where they've lost the stamp or can't be bothered, one where the tip-whoring is extreme, four where they haven't cleaned the tables in days, two where they get the order wrong, two where it takes goddamn forever (and not because they're busy, because they have to get the barista off the bong in the back) five run by sullen teens or people who are effectively still sullen teens... (yes, these add up to more than 100% because they stack).

A good coffee house (Caffé Calabria) is a wondrous thing, especially if they roast their own, but random independent coffee house is a complete crap shoot, which I think is a lot of what drove a lot of people to Starbucks.
 
2014-01-08 01:41:01 AM  
If the indie place sucks (and some of them do), why should I?
 
2014-01-08 01:45:49 AM  
I haven't found an independent coffee place that makes coffee I can taste. I ask for extra shots and they seem to want to compensate by adding more sweet to it. Like they are afraid to have my coffee taste like COFFEE!
 
2014-01-08 01:53:14 AM  

oldtaku: A good coffee house (Caffé Calabria) is a wondrous thing, especially if they roast their own, but random independent coffee house is a complete crap shoot, which I think is a lot of what drove a lot of people to Starbucks.


This is pretty much the reasoning behind any chain: consistency. You think people go to McDonalds because the food is better than the local burger place down the street? No, they go there because the food is the same every damn time.
 
2014-01-08 01:56:34 AM  
isn't it ironic?
 
2014-01-08 01:58:16 AM  

oldtaku: Avoiding Starbucks is all fine and dandy, but if you go to six independent coffee houses you will run into at least two where they've lost the stamp or can't be bothered, one where the tip-whoring is extreme, four where they haven't cleaned the tables in days, two where they get the order wrong, two where it takes goddamn forever (and not because they're busy, because they have to get the barista off the bong in the back) five run by sullen teens or people who are effectively still sullen teens... (yes, these add up to more than 100% because they stack).

A good coffee house (Caffé Calabria) is a wondrous thing, especially if they roast their own, but random independent coffee house is a complete crap shoot, which I think is a lot of what drove a lot of people to Starbucks.


You're not from Seattle. I can tell.
 
2014-01-08 01:58:54 AM  

peeledpeas: I haven't found an independent coffee place that makes coffee I can taste. I ask for extra shots and they seem to want to compensate by adding more sweet to it. Like they are afraid to have my coffee taste like COFFEE!


Stop asking for coffee drinks with sweeteners in them then.
 
2014-01-08 02:05:20 AM  
Whole bean coffee + coffee grinder + French press + boiling water. It really isn't that hard to do this yourself.
 
2014-01-08 02:08:16 AM  

99.998er: Whole bean coffee + coffee grinder + French press + boiling water. It really isn't that hard to do this yourself.


It's actually faster and easier than drip coffee
 
2014-01-08 02:11:18 AM  
Smaller business interests joining forces to cooperate eh? Tell me again how every corporation ever got started?
 
2014-01-08 02:11:30 AM  

Smeggy Smurf: 99.998er: Whole bean coffee + coffee grinder + French press + boiling water. It really isn't that hard to do this yourself.

It's actually faster and easier than drip coffee


Yes, and I think much better, plus I can control the strength.
 
2014-01-08 02:13:57 AM  

99.998er: Whole bean coffee + coffee grinder + French press + boiling water. It really isn't that hard to do this yourself.


Been doing it for years for all the beans I bring back from trips.
 
2014-01-08 02:21:31 AM  

oldtaku: Avoiding Starbucks is all fine and dandy, but if you go to six independent coffee houses you will run into at least two where they've lost the stamp or can't be bothered, one where the tip-whoring is extreme, four where they haven't cleaned the tables in days, two where they get the order wrong, two where it takes goddamn forever (and not because they're busy, because they have to get the barista off the bong in the back) five run by sullen teens or people who are effectively still sullen teens... (yes, these add up to more than 100% because they stack).

A good coffee house (Caffé Calabria) is a wondrous thing, especially if they roast their own, but random independent coffee house is a complete crap shoot, which I think is a lot of what drove a lot of people to Starbucks.


This. I tried to support Mayorga, but the service was lousy every. Single. Time. (I think they were the bong-in-the-back type.) Fark that. Their stores went under, except for those at the airports. Gee, I wonder why?

On rare occasions, I've been to a place with coffee that blows Charbucks away like a Cat 5 hurricane and has decent service, but they're never conveniently located. The ones in this program are scattered all over the city, and I doubt even hipsters will visit them all -- which means this card is useless. Except to show off how anti-corporate you are.
 
2014-01-08 02:24:46 AM  

The My Little Pony Killer: A good coffee house (Caffé Calabria) is a wondrous thing, especially if they roast their own, but random independent coffee house is a complete crap shoot, which I think is a lot of what drove a lot of people to Starbucks.

You're not from Seattle. I can tell.


I've been to Seattle many times - the percentage is much much better there. Hell, you can go to a random standup and get great coffee. But in the vast majority of the country what I said is how it goes. That includes DC, as in TFA.
 
2014-01-08 02:26:53 AM  
That's cool, but I have to echo that not all coffee shops are equal. For every one that is completely awesome, there are at least two that are mediocre at best and rely on the whole "I'm indie" thing to get them by.

That said, when an indie coffee shop does it right, it's an amazing experience.
 
2014-01-08 02:30:34 AM  
I would be more than happy to frequent the smaller shops for a frothy espresso drink, but most of them either are too retarded so they do not train their employees on how to make a good mocha or they just don't care.  Either way, regardless of how small and trying those places are, they can die in bankruptcy for all I care.

Starbucks is consistent and trains their employees to try, so given a random choice of place to go, I would rather go to Starbucks than have - yet another - scalded milk, crappy Nestle's chocolate, burnt espresso waste of calories.

That being written, their are two places in my area that make an exceptional mocha - Blume and Temple.  Both are not chains, as far as I know.  Both seem to be small shops who care more about my drink than I do, which is great.

The small places that do not care to learn how to make good drinks - f**k 'em.  I do not support the lazy and stupid just because them are small.
 
2014-01-08 02:30:37 AM  
Hmm, I'm for it. I will never like Starbucks because of how they abuse green tea. Steeping it in superheated water doesn't make tea, it makes battery acid. Even pulling the bag out of it the second they hand it to you doesn't seem to help.
 
2014-01-08 02:59:12 AM  

DubtodaIll: Smaller business interests joining forces to cooperate eh? Tell me again how every corporation ever got started?


First you buy a domain name, then you think of some stupid gimick website, then you hire a pile of fresh cs grads to start writing your stupid website.  Then you go party with some venture capitalists and get one of them drunk enough do something worth blackmailing and later get them to agree to pay for you to make your stupid website.  Congrats you now have a corporation.
 
2014-01-08 03:00:25 AM  

CipollinaFan: Real hipsters are broke and can't afford Starbucks anyway.


A quad at Starbucks is under three bucks.

At an independent it's more likely to be four or five bucks and pulled too short and bitter.
 
2014-01-08 03:02:29 AM  

99.998er: Whole bean coffee + coffee grinder + French press + boiling water. It really isn't that hard to do this yourself.


No, but even though I carry a large shoulder bag I find it inconvenient to tote all that stuff around with me.
 
2014-01-08 03:04:14 AM  
Sure, I'll plug the 1369 Coffee House in Cambridge.
 
2014-01-08 03:06:29 AM  
For truly hipsteriffic coffee in Chicago there's Bow Truss Coffee on Broadway. How hipster is it? They don't post their hours anywhere on their doors or windows. Though the hours are on their website, 7 AM to 6 PM. So if you want some coffee after dinner, you're not going there. And while they do roast their own, do I even need to mention their prices are high?
 
2014-01-08 03:06:30 AM  
I can drink regular coffee or a latte/cappuccino from pretty much anywhere.

Mochas, however, have got to be Starbucks. They're like catnip to me. Even with nonfat milk and no whipped cream.

/// Former Starbucks barista.
 
2014-01-08 03:20:42 AM  
These coffee makers are getting more obnoxious than career bartenders
 
2014-01-08 03:26:36 AM  

zepillin: CipollinaFan: Real hipsters are broke and can't afford Starbucks anyway.

A quad at Starbucks is under three bucks.

At an independent it's more likely to be four or five bucks and pulled too short and bitter.


That's what she said!

/or he?
 
2014-01-08 04:16:00 AM  
I wake up every morning and brew my coffee in a $20 Proctor Silex (all this time I thought it was a Mr. Coffee until I just looked. Huh)
Gone are the days that I'd drink coffee throughout the entire day but when I did it wasn't from Starbucks. Granted, Starbucks wasn't even around, much less *a thing*.
I forget where I was going with this but fark Starbucks.
 
2014-01-08 04:26:27 AM  
Also, and I'm not trying to be a corporate apologist, but when I worked for them (1995) it was one of the best McJobs around. I started at $6.25/hr, when minimum wage in California was $5. Tips, which were shared out on a weekly basis, added about another $1 an hour. They offered health care and stock options, and promoted from within.

Not to mention all the free coffee drinks...
 
2014-01-08 05:19:08 AM  
with the death of record stores, "indie" coffee shops are important...where else will white guys with dreads and the nose ring purple hair crowd get jobs?
 
2014-01-08 05:23:48 AM  
Fark Starbucks hate thread make me want Starbucks. I can actually imagine the haters steaming as I enjoy my latte. Their tears are live to me.

Plus I live in a small town where the coffee shops serve watered down crap, served by clueless teenagers, so Starbucks is a Godsend.
 
2014-01-08 05:25:59 AM  
I hate auto correct.

*threads make
**tears are love to me

Nothing ruins snark like autocorrect.
 
2014-01-08 05:45:04 AM  
nearly 40 posts and no one has mentioned caribou coffee

(never seen one before personally)
 
2014-01-08 05:58:32 AM  

Whole Wheat: Fark Starbucks hate thread make me want Starbucks. I can actually imagine the haters steaming as I enjoy my latte. Their tears are live to me.

Plus I live in a small town where the coffee shops serve watered down crap, served by clueless teenagers, so Starbucks is a Godsend.


I drink coffee, just coffee, no Lattes, cappuccino, espresso, just coffee. The thing I like about Starbucks is their consistency. I don't think i have had a bad roast there. Second Cup always getting grounds in it and inconsistent.
Don't talk about Tim Horton's, only people who like it are people who want some coffee with their cream and sugar. If you taste it black it is still sweet, explain that.
 
2014-01-08 06:28:28 AM  

peeledpeas: I haven't found an independent coffee place that makes coffee I can taste. I ask for extra shots and they seem to want to compensate by adding more sweet to it. Like they are afraid to have my coffee taste like COFFEE!


Why are they putting any "sweet" in it at all if you want something that tastes like coffee? Coffee isn't sweet, it's bitter, which is what makes it taste good. If what you want is a sweet tasting beverage that has caffeine, you're looking for soda pop. Coffee that doesn't make you involuntarily grimace after the first sip doesn't deserve the name.
 
2014-01-08 06:30:17 AM  

RidersOfLohan: with the death of record stores, "indie" coffee shops are important...where else will white guys with dreads and the nose ring purple hair crowd get jobs?


Head shops. They're sprouting like weeds everywhere lately.
 
2014-01-08 06:36:19 AM  
oldtaku: ...one where the tip-whoring is extreme,

How extreme, and which one?  And is the staff cute?

Indie coffee shops were dead until Starbucks recreated the market for coffee shops.  Coffee shops died of their own pretentiousness in the late 60s and early 70s.  Rather than trying to create this little, douchy drama, why don't the indie places work on making a better product than Starbucks?  Or are they going to embrace the pretentiousness that killed them in the first place while Starbucks mutters "Good, good!  All is going as I have foreseen. "
 
2014-01-08 06:38:36 AM  

RidersOfLohan: nearly 40 posts and no one has mentioned caribou coffee

(never seen one before personally)


Caribou coffee is okay.  Their baked products are awful, though.
 
2014-01-08 06:57:52 AM  

99.998er: Whole bean coffee + coffee grinder + French press + boiling water. It really isn't that hard to do this yourself.


The word is cafetiere and there are much better ways of making coffee. Don`t use boiling water for a start.

untaken_name: peeledpeas: I haven't found an independent coffee place that makes coffee I can taste. I ask for extra shots and they seem to want to compensate by adding more sweet to it. Like they are afraid to have my coffee taste like COFFEE!

Why are they putting any "sweet" in it at all if you want something that tastes like coffee? Coffee isn't sweet, it's bitter, which is what makes it taste good. If what you want is a sweet tasting beverage that has caffeine, you're looking for soda pop. Coffee that doesn't make you involuntarily grimace after the first sip doesn't deserve the name.


I must not drink coffee then because when I take the first sip of my coffee I go "Aaaah" or maybe "Mmmm"
 
2014-01-08 07:08:08 AM  

fusillade762: oldtaku: A good coffee house (Caffé Calabria) is a wondrous thing, especially if they roast their own, but random independent coffee house is a complete crap shoot, which I think is a lot of what drove a lot of people to Starbucks.

This is pretty much the reasoning behind any chain: consistency. You think people go to McDonalds because the food is better than the local burger place down the street? No, they go there because the food is the same every damn time.


I find Wendy's a decent compromise. It's a little bit hit or miss at the local Wendy's. Sometimes the fries aren't all that freshly cooked. Some of the employees there are goddamned hamburger artists.
 
2014-01-08 07:43:46 AM  
I like Lamplighter coffee here in the RVA for actual coffee. If I want a coffee milkshake, Starbucks is okay. I'm generally boring and will stick with my Mr Coffee and fresh ground beans in the morning mostly.
 
2014-01-08 07:44:28 AM  

Nogale: 99.998er: Whole bean coffee + coffee grinder + French press + boiling water. It really isn't that hard to do this yourself.

No, but even though I carry a large shoulder bag I find it inconvenient to tote all that stuff around with me.


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2014-01-08 07:46:04 AM  

oldtaku: Avoiding Starbucks is all fine and dandy, but if you go to six independent coffee houses you will run into at least two where they've lost the stamp or can't be bothered, one where the tip-whoring is extreme, four where they haven't cleaned the tables in days, two where they get the order wrong, two where it takes goddamn forever (and not because they're busy, because they have to get the barista off the bong in the back) five run by sullen teens or people who are effectively still sullen teens... (yes, these add up to more than 100% because they stack).

A good coffee house (Caffé Calabria) is a wondrous thing, especially if they roast their own, but random independent coffee house is a complete crap shoot, which I think is a lot of what drove a lot of people to Starbucks.


And this is different from anything else in the world, how?

This argument is for cheapass mass market light beer instead of craftbrew, Golden Corral heated frozen meals instead of an actual fresh prepared meal, and sending your money to some corporate CEO instead of keeping it local.

No thanks.  Sorry, but I don't care to get the mediocre, corporate product, even if it is more reliable from store to store.

Yes, sometimes going local/craft can bomb. But much more often than not it'll be far superior. The local/craft is living on their reputation and the quality of their product, not their name.
 
2014-01-08 07:55:56 AM  

Wodan11: and sending your money to some corporate CEO instead of keeping it local.


Where do you think your local restaurants/coffeeshops get their supplies?

It's called Sysco, and it has an enormous headquarters in Houston. You're just adding a smug, tattooed middleman.
 
2014-01-08 08:02:40 AM  

YixilTesiphon: Wodan11: and sending your money to some corporate CEO instead of keeping it local.

Where do you think your local restaurants/coffeeshops get their supplies?

It's called Sysco, and it has an enormous headquarters in Houston. You're just adding a smug, tattooed middleman.


Or Costco.  Sam's Club is popular too.  Seeing the woman who runs one of the local coffee shops/overpriced bakeries around here in front of me at Costco with her load of supplies (including about 50 pounds of Kirkland coffee) made me laugh at a co-worker who came in with her stuff, talking about how much better and more authentic it was than $tarbucks.
 
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