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2014-01-07 08:09:50 PM  
On twitter he said that he never will vote again.

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2014-01-07 08:12:29 PM  
So not only is he a douche for basically making up the worst excuse possible for why he doesn't believe in unanimous votes, he went and started yet another "Jack Morris vs HOF" thread.

Fark it.  Sutter was late because he was a closer on a lot of not so good teams before & after he got his one ring.  Bert was just under the radar but he was actually good for a long time.  Morris was a horrible pitcher on some really good teams and got away with a boatload of shiat just because he was on said good teams.  People want to make him out to be a god for his postseason heroics, but that doesn't excuse the fact that he is not HOF worthy.
 
2014-01-07 08:16:19 PM  
Complete horseshiat.  Gurnick just wants to see his name in the media.  Chipper Jones called it this morning with his tweet:  "Some dumb (bleep) will probably leave him off the ballot because no one else has been a unanimous pick."
 
2014-01-07 08:16:49 PM  

FriarReb98: So not only is he a douche for basically making up the worst excuse possible for why he doesn't believe in unanimous votes, he went and started yet another "Jack Morris vs HOF" thread.

Fark it.  Sutter was late because he was a closer on a lot of not so good teams before & after he got his one ring.  Bert was just under the radar but he was actually good for a long time.  Morris was a horrible pitcher on some really good teams and got away with a boatload of shiat just because he was on said good teams.  People want to make him out to be a god for his postseason heroics, but that doesn't excuse the fact that he is not HOF worthy.


This, that, the other thing, and Fark Almighty, DAMN STRAIGHT.

Jack Morris?  SRSLY?  THAT shiat again?

Piizzadude: On twitter he said that he never will vote again.


From his twit to Cthulhu's ear.
 
2014-01-07 08:19:05 PM  
Gurnick said Tuesday that he excluded "everybody from the steroid era."

And yet he votes for someone from the "speeding your titties off" era.

Self-righteous douchebag is a self-righteous douchebag.

/and the hall is a joke without the lifetime MLB home run or hit leaders
 
2014-01-07 08:23:08 PM  
Jack Morris' career ended in 1994. Who said he wasn't juicing at the end of his career to prolong it? 1994 was certainly part of the steroid era. This guy can't even follow his own pathetic rules for voting.
 
2014-01-07 08:26:29 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Gurnick said Tuesday that he excluded "everybody from the steroid era."

And yet he votes for someone from the "speeding your titties off" era.

Self-righteous douchebag is a self-righteous douchebag.

/and the hall is a joke without the lifetime MLB home run or hit leaders


Rose will go in.  So will Bonds  After Selig croaks, and not one moment before.  Because Bud Selig is a slimy piece of schitt.
 
2014-01-07 08:27:01 PM  
The guy just wanted to use Greg Maddux's election to be an attention whore. Mission accomplished, asshole.
 
2014-01-07 08:45:45 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Gurnick said Tuesday that he excluded "everybody from the steroid era."

And yet he votes for someone from the "speeding your titties off" era.

Self-righteous douchebag is a self-righteous douchebag.

/and the hall is a joke without the lifetime MLB home run or hit leaders


This.  If I had a vote, I'd vote for Barry Bonds, and Mark McGwire, and Roger Clemens, and Sammy Sosa.  Yes, I know they 'roided.  But they defined their era of baseball.  Put a line about how they were accused of using performance enhancing drugs on their plaques, but they need to be in.
 
2014-01-07 08:49:53 PM  
Plenty of people don't ever want Rose in. No Gambling is right on the clubhouse wall of every MLB team and has been for decades. They have made it very clear for very long. Hit King decided the rules didn't apply to him, and he's out as a result.

You can talk to him on the walkway between the MGM and Excalibur. Has his own little store in there. Stop by and say hi, get your picture taken.

As for Barry Cheater Bonds, same thing. There's people who went along with roids, and there's the leader of the band. Bonds could have been a 3000 hit / 400 HR Ken Griffey all-star for decades. Instead he turned himself into a homerun hitting freak. He wasn't a fringe ballplayer trying to stay in the big leagues by adding 10 hr a year for a few years to the back end of a mediocre career, like so many of the other juicers. He was a first ballot HOF'er who said that wasn't enough, I'm also going to be the biggest juicer that ever juiced.

F that guy. Let him wait.
 
2014-01-07 09:17:05 PM  

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2014-01-07 09:17:50 PM  
This guy is an idiot.  You should vote based on the player's accomplishments, not the rule breaking of others.

I can't think of a single legitimate reason to not vote for Maddux.  He was brilliant at pitching, and accomplished so much with a fastball in the mid-high 80's
 
2014-01-07 09:53:48 PM  

Klippoklondike: I can't think of a single legitimate reason to not vote for Maddux.


The only reason is that you want to vote for 10 other people as well, and you know Maddux will get in anyways. I think that's a legit reason.
 
2014-01-07 10:14:18 PM  
I understand people being angry with him for what he did, but what happens when he's not the only one who didn't vote for Maddux?  I don't agree with what he did and I think his reasoning is flawed, but at least he's being honest about what he did.  I seem to remember there were a handful of people who didn't vote for Rickey Henderson but only a couple of them came forward to explain their position while the rest kept their anonymity.  I see the same happening with Maddux.
 
2014-01-07 10:30:54 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: and the hall is a joke without the lifetime MLB home run or hit leaders.


Well, you're half tight. Batting .500, one might say.

Baseballs HOF is a farce.
 
2014-01-07 11:01:11 PM  

John Buck 41: Marcus Aurelius: and the hall is a joke without the lifetime MLB home run or hit leaders.

Well, you're half tight. Batting .500, one might say.

Baseballs HOF is a farce.


FTFY
 
2014-01-07 11:14:03 PM  
I'll bet Asuka Brown would have voted for him.
 
2014-01-07 11:27:15 PM  
- Clocked with a fastball in the mid-eighties.
- No meaningful batting or offensive accomplishments.
- Majority of wins came when his team outscored the opponent.
- Zero NBA championship rings. (Never even made the NBA Playoffs.)
- 1989 Donruss card is worthless.
- Played for the Cubs.
- Has not been elected to the Hall of Fame as of today.

Tell me again why he should be elected to the Hall of Fame?
 
2014-01-07 11:33:46 PM  
I think what gets some people about Morris is that Reggie Jackson is in the HOF and well have you ever looked at his career numbers?
 
2014-01-07 11:34:16 PM  

Mike_LowELL: Tell me again why he should be elected to the Hall of Fame?


Because he's never been in Cliff Clavin's kitchen.
 
2014-01-07 11:35:38 PM  
Olbermann just did a segment on this guy. Pretty much ripped him a new one, pointing out the steroid era was in effect well before Morris retired... Or started playing.
 
2014-01-07 11:40:54 PM  

WhyteRaven74: I think what gets some people about Morris is that Reggie Jackson is in the HOF and well have you ever looked at his career numbers?


Um, yes? Reggie Jackson is so much better than Jack Morris it's not even funny. Was this post satire?
 
2014-01-07 11:46:07 PM  

SilentStrider: Because he's never been in Cliff Clavin's kitchen.


I just heard that reference out in the meat world yesterday. Nice.
 
2014-01-08 12:09:49 AM  

Mike_LowELL: - Majority of wins came when his team outscored the opponent.


lol
 
2014-01-08 12:37:20 AM  
It's really a shame that he made a mockery of something as deadly serious as voting on who was best at playing a game.
 
2014-01-08 01:33:53 AM  

FriarReb98: So not only is he a douche for basically making up the worst excuse possible for why he doesn't believe in unanimous votes, he went and started yet another "Jack Morris vs HOF" thread.

Fark it.  Sutter was late because he was a closer on a lot of not so good teams before & after he got his one ring.  Bert was just under the radar but he was actually good for a long time.  Morris was a horrible pitcher on some really good teams and got away with a boatload of shiat just because he was on said good teams.  People want to make him out to be a god for his postseason heroics, but that doesn't excuse the fact that he is not HOF worthy.


THIS BAH GAWD!
 
2014-01-08 04:11:46 AM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: Jack Morris' career ended in 1994. Who said he wasn't juicing at the end of his career to prolong it? 1994 was certainly part of the steroid era. This guy can't even follow his own pathetic rules for voting.


This.

I think he is just a Jack Morris ball hanger, so in his eyes he can do nothing wrong.
 
2014-01-08 04:16:55 AM  
There is nothing worse than having to listen to (or read) a baseball purist's thoughts. Nails on a chalkboard.
 
2014-01-08 04:19:49 AM  
Frank White.

/that is all
//biased, wife is bff's with one of his daughters
///he's a nice guy
////fark the royals
 
2014-01-08 05:10:33 AM  
Meh
He's a first ballot HOFer anyway and that's what matters if anything. This percentage thing is stupid. Lots of players should be 100%. When Rickey retired was there anyone who thought "that guy doesn't belong in the Hall?" It's stupid. I already wrote that.
 
2014-01-08 05:28:34 AM  

nathanjr: I understand people being angry with him for what he did, but what happens when he's not the only one who didn't vote for Maddux?  I don't agree with what he did and I think his reasoning is flawed, but at least he's being honest about what he did.  I seem to remember there were a handful of people who didn't vote for Rickey Henderson but only a couple of them came forward to explain their position while the rest kept their anonymity.  I see the same happening with Maddux.


It's not so much about Maddux as it is about his idiotic reasoning. You want to not vote for anyone who ever played in the steroids era? That's fine. BUT THAT MEANS YOU CAN'T VOTE FOR JACK MORRIS YOU ASSBAG.
 
2014-01-08 05:54:26 AM  
If you don't want cheaters or morally questionable people in your Hall of Fame then you're going to end up with a nearly empty Hall of Fame.

Cobb was a virulent racist. Mantle was a drunk. Speed was handed out like candy in the 70's and 80's. Almost every pitcher has doctored the ball since the sport began and the only reason more managers don't call people on it is because they don't want the other manager to bust their guy who is doing the same thing. With the magic of HDTV everyone sitting on their couch can easily spot the smudge on or under the bill of a pitcher's cap where the rosin and dirt mix with the vaseline and start smearing. Baseball moralists want to pretend that it's this pure game where good men play for the love of the game, and maybe a few do, but that's really just the narrative MLB wants to project.

So I say screw it, let them all in. Bonds, Clemens, Sosa, Rose, etc. All of them.
 
2014-01-08 06:11:01 AM  
He thinks Maddux was on steroids? Was his ridiculously muscular build and his 108 mph fast ball that tipped him off?
 
2014-01-08 06:30:11 AM  
Isn't this pretty much the exact reason deadspin bought a ballot?
 
2014-01-08 06:59:37 AM  

twoheads: So I say screw it, let them all in. Bonds, Clemens, Sosa, Rose, etc. All of them.


I used to be quite vocally against it. But then after a few long conversations about it I came to the same conclusion. MLB was complicit in the cheating. They wanted more home runs. They wanted more excitement. They got it. Like it or not, Bonds hit the most home runs even if he did do it by cheating. It's part of baseball's history. That "character" clause for the HOF is and has always been bullshiat.
 
2014-01-08 07:00:41 AM  
Of course, given my above post, the question is now: how do I rationalize my great anticipation and enjoyment of A-Rod's upcoming suspension?
 
2014-01-08 07:04:09 AM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: Jack Morris' career ended in 1994. Who said he wasn't juicing at the end of his career to prolong it? 1994 was certainly part of the steroid era. This guy can't even follow his own pathetic rules for voting.


There are folks who have suggested that Roger Maris was juicing for awhile. Steroids in baseball are nothing new. They just became a lot more widespread than ever.
 
2014-01-08 07:10:59 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Rose will go in. So will Bonds After Selig croaks, and not one moment before. Because Bud Selig is a slimy piece of schitt.


Isn't the story something along the lines of: Well, Selig and Bart Giamotti (father of the actor Paul Giamotti, btw) were good friends, and that Selig blamed the stress of the Rose investigation as the main factor in Bart G's death?
 
2014-01-08 07:19:41 AM  

abhorrent1: He thinks Maddux was on steroids? Was his ridiculously muscular build and his 108 mph fast ball that tipped him off?


No, he's going with the blanket "I won't vote for anyone from that era".  I don't remember if he or another self-righteous dickstain voted against Cal Ripken, Jr. and Tony Gwynn for that reason.

Gwynn wasn't on the juice; he was on the gravy.

twoheads: If you don't want cheaters or morally questionable people in your Hall of Fame then you're going to end up with a nearly empty Hall of Fame.

Cobb was a virulent racist. Mantle was a drunk. Speed was handed out like candy in the 70's and 80's. Almost every pitcher has doctored the ball since the sport began and the only reason more managers don't call people on it is because they don't want the other manager to bust their guy who is doing the same thing. With the magic of HDTV everyone sitting on their couch can easily spot the smudge on or under the bill of a pitcher's cap where the rosin and dirt mix with the vaseline and start smearing. Baseball moralists want to pretend that it's this pure game where good men play for the love of the game, and maybe a few do, but that's really just the narrative MLB wants to project.

So I say screw it, let them all in. Bonds, Clemens, Sosa, Rose, etc. All of them.


I can go with letting in the cheaters.  Under no circumstances can you let in someone who participated in rampant gambling on his own sport.  I'm going to sound like a stuffed-shirt fuddy-duddy for saying this, but a century ago the sport was in real danger of losing all legitimacy because of gambling interests.  It's the one thing where the leagues (MLB, NBA, NFL, etc.)  have to be absolutely ruthless.  These pro leagues operate under the graces of the anti-trust legislation (Title 15, Chapter 32), and if there's ever a serious issue with gambling affecting the outcome of games Congress will make the steroid hearings look like a committee debating the naming of a post office.

---

Oh, and Jack Morris is baseball's equivalent of Max McGee - good long career that wasn't necessarily HoF-worthy, but he had a couple of really good postseason games that left a disproportionate impression on people's minds.
 
2014-01-08 07:34:09 AM  

WinoRhino: twoheads: So I say screw it, let them all in. Bonds, Clemens, Sosa, Rose, etc. All of them.

I used to be quite vocally against it. But then after a few long conversations about it I came to the same conclusion. MLB was complicit in the cheating. They wanted more home runs. They wanted more excitement. They got it. Like it or not, Bonds hit the most home runs even if he did do it by cheating. It's part of baseball's history. That "character" clause for the HOF is and has always been bullshiat.


The writers are what choose here, not MLB. And although past writers were at least somewhat complicit, the guys voting aren't necessarily so (some too young, some old enough to have plausible deniability, some simply are analysts that don't really get inside the locker room for their writing). 

The baseball hall of fame is not a meritocracy. Barry Bonds has records, and baseball is a sport of meticulously kept records. Being the highest in X stat is not automatically make you a hall of famer. Roger Maris had the single season home run record for decades. He was not voted in, and likely never will be. Just because Bonds has the HR records, or Clemens has his Cy Youngs or Pete Rose has his hits record, doesn't mean they're automatically in the hall of fame.

In nearly every hall of fame speech, the newly enshrined talk about how being inducted is an "honor". Because that's what it is. It's an honor bestowed upon you by the baseball writers. They are free to bestow that honor upon whoever they deem worthy. You don't grant somebody an honor unless you feel relatively secure in the knowledge that they are worthy of your praise. It's not a list of greatest statistical achievers - that you can find with a simple google search. You can find that anywhere you can get a wireless signal. It's not a list of the objectively greatest players ever, a list of people with the all-time greatest WAR, or a list of those who made the greatest impact on baseball. It's a list of people that writers deemed honorable. It comes with a plaque and a flowery descriptor. 

The writers can do what they want. There's no "they should" about PED guys and hall of fame votes.
 
2014-01-08 07:45:54 AM  
Maddux used steroids in the 90s like I used Cindy Crawford.
 
2014-01-08 07:57:45 AM  

SurfaceTension: Benevolent Misanthrope: Rose will go in. So will Bonds After Selig croaks, and not one moment before. Because Bud Selig is a slimy piece of schitt.

Isn't the story something along the lines of: Well, Selig and Bart Giamotti (father of the actor Paul Giamotti, btw) were good friends, and that Selig blamed the stress of the Rose investigation as the main factor in Bart G's death?


No, the story is that Pete Rose violated a rule that has been posted in every major league clubhouse since 1920.  A team from MLB goes to each training camp and explains the rule during spring training.  Joe Jackson is famous for being one of the greatest hitters of all time but not in the HOF because he was involved in gambling.

In other words, the rules were extremely clear-cut, Pete Rose violated them, and is now being punished as he should be.  People really need to stop making excuses for that a**hole.
 
2014-01-08 08:03:06 AM  
lacydog: **a bunch of crap about honor and it not being about stats**

This is absolutely laughable. You don't really think this do you?
 
2014-01-08 08:07:44 AM  

nathanjr: I understand people being angry with him for what he did, but what happens when he's not the only one who didn't vote for Maddux?  I don't agree with what he did and I think his reasoning is flawed, but at least he's being honest about what he did.  I seem to remember there were a handful of people who didn't vote for Rickey Henderson but only a couple of them came forward to explain their position while the rest kept their anonymity.  I see the same happening with Maddux.


I'm sorry I killed your wife. I was honest about it, so we're cool right?

//Seriously, fark this guy and take away his vote. Just idiotic.
 
2014-01-08 08:08:52 AM  
"I just don't know who did and who didn't," Gurnick said, adding: "Some people quibble over when the era starts, but the bulk of [Morris'] career was in my opinion well before all of the widespread use of performance-enhancing drugs."

This guy is a dumbass. Morris played in the late 70s and in the entire 80s, when widespread steroid use really began.
 
2014-01-08 08:19:56 AM  

WinoRhino: lacydog: **a bunch of crap about honor and it not being about stats**

This is absolutely laughable. You don't really think this do you?


The hall of fame is a list of people that baseball writers have chosen to honor. That's it.

I know we all try to hype it up as it being a resting place of legends, a keeper of records or shrine to all that is good about baseball. It's not. It's a place that contains some plaques that votes in people that writers have chosen to honor. If you think it's more than that, or should be held up as more than that, you're holding it to too high of standards.

My argument is not that the baseball hall of fame morality clause is justified because honor really matters. I'm not trying to say that the hall is this magical place where honor is upheld. Quite the opposite. It's a place, that inducts people on the opinions of sportswriters. The baseball hall of fame is not, and has never been, a meritocracy. Don't pretend it's more than it is.

If all you're concerned about is record-keeping, then baseball already does a really good job of that. Better than any other sport. Bonds is the home run king, single-season and career. There's no disputing that. You can sarcastically put an asterisk by his name in every comment you make, it doesn't change what the record books say.
 
2014-01-08 08:22:31 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Self-righteous douchebag is a self-righteous douchebag.


Well, we are talking about a HoF voter here.
 
2014-01-08 08:23:42 AM  
Who really cares who is and isn't in the baseball hall of fame?  Baseball gives bowling, curling and golf a run for their money as the most boring spectator sport.  Any sport where you can take an hour long nap in the middle of a game and miss absolutely nothing is boring.  Half of the "players" on the team can sleep through the entire game and no one would notice.   During a game the most aerobic activity that most of the team gets is chewing bubblegum.
 
2014-01-08 08:26:53 AM  

Mike_LowELL: -Zero NBA championship rings. (Never even made the NBA Playoffs.)


ROFLMAO

-1989 Donruss card is worthless.

Too much. Can't. Breathe.
 
2014-01-08 08:27:41 AM  

ChrisDe: Maddux used steroids in the 90s like I used Cindy Crawford.


Poorly?
 
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