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(CNN)   Big dumb jocks are really . . . big dumb jocks   (cnn.com ) divider line
    More: Fail, collegiate sports, CNN, test scores, achievement gap, UNC-Greensboro, University of Louisville  
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2525 clicks; posted to Sports » on 07 Jan 2014 at 8:00 PM (2 years ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



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2014-01-07 10:01:41 PM  
2 votes:
Could we just lay the "student athlete" fiction to rest and pay them for the services they offer?
2014-01-07 08:53:57 PM  
1 vote:
This is neither a surprise, nor is it a problem.  But the anecdotes are fun to read and hear.
2014-01-07 08:51:42 PM  
1 vote:

yakmans_dad: Anyone who was a TA has met dumb athletes. And dumb non-athletes.

After one of my friends flunked one of our school's basketball stars, the team's academic advisor told the star he could find him a friendlier teacher for the next semester. The star chose my friend because he was the first teacher who had challenged the star to learn.

Lots of athletes are given poisonous advantages, and some resent the Hell out of it.



1) I took a freshman class in college that was ~80% athletes.  Some of the athletes from non-revenue sports were cool, but the football players pretty much lived up to their stereotype.  This was at the University of Illinois too (our football team went 2-9 that year and this was a good season because we broke an 18-game losing streak).  It wasn't all of the football players, but a good number of them.
2) I TA'ed a class later in college.  Luckily it was an engineering class, so no athletes, but I caught two students cheating and was strongly discouraged from doing anything about it because of the paperwork and professor's time involved-- this stuff all cuts away from doing ground-breaking research which is what pays their bills. The moral of the story: busting a cheater is a pain even when they don't run a 4.6-second 40-yard dash.
3) I've met a couple of people who've played NCAA sports and were STRONGLY discouraged from being in certain majors, because their schoolwork would be seen as a distraction from building the coach's sportsball resume-- so even when athletes WANT TO LEARN, they are forced to choose between learning and getting playing time.

I'm a huge sports fan, but my opinion of the NCAA is that we should nuke the thing and go with the Ivy League model-- no athletic scholarships for anybody.  I know that people like to draw a parallel between throwing a football and playing a tuba, but show me a marching band director who has enough clout to force his employer to compromise its principles on its core mission, and then we can talk further.
2014-01-07 08:21:03 PM  
1 vote:
The good news is, once you get to the pro level, there's really very few functional retards left. The majority of NFL players, for instance, are an awful lot smarter than you'd probably believe.


Just...do yourself a favor and don't talk to the RBs or DBs. They really bring down the average for the whole game.

The saddest part is that you have to come face to face with the idea that, in the article, this lady was in her office and a UNC basketball player walked in unable to read or write.

Think about how much epic fail that is.

That's not one teacher.

That's not one school. Or one school board.

*The kid was already a UNC STUDENT AND A BASKETBALL TEAM MEMBER*

And this is NOT an anomaly!


He got passed up the chain by at least three, maybe as many as 6 elementary school teachers. Plus all the counselors and administrators, his family, everyone that worked at every store he bought something from.

Another one or two schools (minimum) for grades 6-12. How many teachers is that? 6 years, 8 different teachers a day, plus the one semester courses and ALL the coaches, counselors, and support staff.

Graduated! A DIPLOMA!

"Passing" entrance exams and ACTs/SATs/etc. Getting TO UNC. Living there, attending classes with HOW many professors, TAs, support staff, coaches, yada yada yada.

You're talking a couple HUNDRED of our 'best and brightest' teachers either being pants-on-head unable to do the most basic functions of their jobs (and still doing them!), or face the fact that they passed him up the chain KNOWING HE COULD NOT READ OR WRITE for someone else to deal with because reasons.

I'm still amazed I went to public schools and can form a logical thought and farking count. This country died inside a long time ago, and we're living on the cooling corpse.
2014-01-07 08:11:14 PM  
1 vote:
Shocking stuff, some people are dumb. The difference with athletes is you hear about it more because they're physically gifted so they actually accomplish something.

Unlike say, the rest of the dumb population, which is as physically uncoordinated as they are stupid.
2014-01-07 08:08:55 PM  
1 vote:
This is apparently a new thing.

Every five or six years.
2014-01-07 08:00:25 PM  
1 vote:
"College textbooks are written at the ninth-grade level, so we are putting these elite athletes into classes where they can't understand the textbooks. Imagine yourself sitting in a class where nothing makes sense."

Can't.
I'm not an "athlete"
2014-01-07 07:39:28 PM  
1 vote:
None of the "A"s in NCAA stands for Academics
 
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