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(Slate)   'Wind chill' is meaningless, your frozen gonads are invalid   (slate.com) divider line 202
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2014-01-07 08:46:57 PM  
What about my strife?
 
2014-01-07 08:47:24 PM  
A useful wind chill factor would have 5 degrees = 5 degrees temp and an average wind.  On a perfectly calm day, the wind chill factor should be well above the temperature.
 
2014-01-07 08:47:56 PM  
Come stand in my front yard and tell me about your gonads.
 
2014-01-07 08:47:58 PM  
Good polypropylene thermals (the brown army surplus kind) and a wind blocking jacket make the wind chill meaningless.
 
2014-01-07 08:49:00 PM  
aww, precious snowflakes
 
2014-01-07 08:50:39 PM  

Mazzic518: What about my strife?


My frozen gonads are warmed by the lightning.
 
2014-01-07 08:51:01 PM  
yeah, you remember the winter of '83? Damn that was a cold one. We missed so much school that winter they made us go to school on SATURDAY, man, and that was a royal bummer for an 11 year old little shiat like I was. So one day me and my buddy where walking downtown spitting loogies on buildings to watch them freeze and we hear someone honking. We turn around and someone had backed in front of the library and some chick was blowing a guy in the front seat and she kept hitting the horn on the...off stroke? exhale? what's the proper terminology here? So me and my bud gave them both the thumbs up sign and continued on our merry, frozen way spitting loogies and watching them freeze on buildings downtown.
 
2014-01-07 08:51:04 PM  
Sorry. But as someone who's survived a lot of Michigan winters, I must disagree. 12 degrees with no wind chill is much easier to contend with than 12 degrees with -11 wind chill.
 
2014-01-07 08:52:11 PM  

Mazzic518: What about my strife?


Just hold on to your little gonads...and strife.

/Weeeeeeeee
 
2014-01-07 08:52:13 PM  
Bulsh...
 
2014-01-07 08:52:21 PM  
www.twitfall.com
 
2014-01-07 08:53:34 PM  
WC being an imprecise number doesn't make it not handy.
 
2014-01-07 08:53:35 PM  
So, the author feels the same about the heat index? 100 degrees is 100 degrees.
 
2014-01-07 08:54:37 PM  
Come up here and say that.

/can't get off my front lawn because you are frozen to it.
 
2014-01-07 08:55:37 PM  
The reporting of wind chill carries with it a paternalistic impulse to explain not just how cold it is, but how cold we'll feel. Well, I've been out in the cold every day this week, and I know exactly what it's like. If wind chill can tell me only what I've already experienced-my cell phone hand too numb to dial a number, my moustache freezing on my face-then we should just get rid of it altogether.

By this logic, we should get stop reporting the wind, humidity, barometric pressure, cloud cover, and temperature.

"Well, I've been outside every day this week, and it's hot as balls, so we should get rid of reporting altogether."
 
2014-01-07 08:55:55 PM  
Not really meaningless, so long as you understand that it is a model of heat loss and has many assumptions built in.
 
2014-01-07 08:56:02 PM  
Wind chill isn't completely meaningless; it means something to people who need to work outside and covering every inch of skin isn't an option.  I did ice rescue on the Great Lakes for nearly ten years and we payed very close attention to wind chill because parts of our faces could still be exposed.  The wind chill factor determined how long we could stay out there, or if we could go at all.

And unless your clothes are air-tight, wind chill will matter to some degree.
 
2014-01-07 08:57:01 PM  
Trying to tell TV weathermen to stop being alarmist assholes fapping over weather maps is like telling a whore to stop sucking so much dick..

NBC10's "news" here has been 25 minutes of "Burr cold" and 5 minutes of actual news..
 
2014-01-07 08:57:17 PM  
Science can't tell me how I feel. Wind chill is right up there with orgone energy, pyramids sharpening razors and global warming.
 
2014-01-07 08:58:43 PM  
I was going to say that nobody ever says on a 75 degree summer day, "With the windchill, it feels like 65" and then I found this:


angrykeyboarder.files.wordpress.com

Is this unique to hot areas of the country?

I suppose those 110 degree days "feel" like a crisp 102 when there's a nice breeze in the air.
 
2014-01-07 08:58:53 PM  
Wind chill is a useless metric.  I work outside a lot and I would much rather have the actual air temperature as it gives me an idea how many layers to use.  Nothing says useless like hearing "it's -41 outside (missing the "wind chill because I'm making coffee)  putting on too many clothes and breaking into a sweat.

Want to feel real wind chill?  go outside at -20c in damp clothes.
 
2014-01-07 08:59:34 PM  
images.winecommunicationsgroup.com
 
2014-01-07 09:00:39 PM  
I know a weatherwoman, and weather really is exciting to her. It's like how tards are with trains. The best thing to do is let them have their fun. There's no good reason to be all Mr. Know-it-all and try to show off by making them look stupid.
 
2014-01-07 09:00:49 PM  

HeadLever: Not really meaningless, so long as you understand that it is a model of heat loss and has many assumptions built in.


Is there even a thermometer that can measure wind chill that isn't jimmy rigged to the makers sales pitch?
 
2014-01-07 09:03:11 PM  

rumpelstiltskin: I know a weatherwoman, and weather really is exciting to her. It's like how tards are with trains.


Stifling my laughter at work at this one!
 
2014-01-07 09:03:27 PM  

WTFDYW: HeadLever: Not really meaningless, so long as you understand that it is a model of heat loss and has many assumptions built in.

Is there even a thermometer that can measure wind chill that isn't jimmy rigged to the makers sales pitch?


It's not a thermometer kind of measurement. You need a windsock and some simple maths.
 
2014-01-07 09:03:30 PM  

lifeboat: Wind chill isn't completely meaningless; it means something to people who need to work outside and covering every inch of skin isn't an option.


DING DING DING DING DING!

This is the most important part the insipid asshole writer totally ignores.

I used to have field staff working for me at outdoor locations doing counts of people using pathways in the wintertime.

Our workplace safety policy states that we cannot have people working outside, at remote locations with no vehicle or temporary shelter if the temperature with windchill dips below -32C.

Why?

Because at -31C with a strong wind, THEY'RE GONNA F*CKING FREEZE REAL QUICK BECAUSE THE EFFECT ON THEIR BODIES IS MORE LIKE A TEMPERATURE OF -42C!

Yeah, I get that windchill is kind of subjective, BUT IT'S F*CKING REAL!
 
2014-01-07 09:03:31 PM  

TomD9938: I was going to say that nobody ever says on a 75 degree summer day, "With the windchill, it feels like 65" and then I found this:


[angrykeyboarder.files.wordpress.com image 498x480]

Is this unique to hot areas of the country?

I suppose those 110 degree days "feel" like a crisp 102 when there's a nice breeze in the air.


I'll go with that because the wind blows perspiration off of you and makes you feel a little cooler.
 
2014-01-07 09:03:38 PM  
What an ass.  All I care about is the rate of heat loss from my body. I care much less about the actual temperature.  This jerk's solution is to step outside and be exposed to the elements rather than having an idea in advance?  With that logic, he should hate the entire field of meteorology.  Why be warned about a hurricane or tornado in advance when you can just wait until the tornado is ripping your roof off before you seek shelter or abandon your home?
 
2014-01-07 09:04:23 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-01-07 09:05:09 PM  

doglover: WTFDYW: HeadLever: Not really meaningless, so long as you understand that it is a model of heat loss and has many assumptions built in.

Is there even a thermometer that can measure wind chill that isn't jimmy rigged to the makers sales pitch?

It's not a thermometer kind of measurement. You need a windsock and some simple maths.


They said there would be no maths when I signed up for FARK.
 
2014-01-07 09:05:29 PM  

syrynxx: What an ass.  All I care about is the rate of heat loss from my body. I care much less about the actual temperature.


That's actually a really good way to look at it.
 
2014-01-07 09:05:54 PM  
Slate: The Liberal Fox News
 
2014-01-07 09:06:26 PM  
Stupid article. The same temperature not only feels colder but actually makes you colder, faster when you add in wind.
 
2014-01-07 09:07:14 PM  
Oh, fark you. For me this week, there is a mighty big difference between -30 degrees out (can leave the hodd down on my coat between car and office, no need for gloves, no need to start the truck in advance) and -30 and wind chill of -42 (bundle up, Buttercup, lest you reach hypothermia before you can unlock the door - and don't forget to remote start the car at 10, 12 and 2!).
 
2014-01-07 09:08:03 PM  
TomD9938:

Is this unique to hot areas of the country?

I suppose those 110 degree days "feel" like a crisp 102 when there's a nice breeze in the air.


It's not the breeze, it's the humidity. I've been to New Orleans in August and I've been to Death Valley. New Orleans "feels"hotter.
 
2014-01-07 09:08:11 PM  

WTFDYW: Is there even a thermometer that can measure wind chill that isn't jimmy rigged to the makers sales pitch?


Thermometers cannot read wind chill alone.  You also need to be able to gauge wind speed.  Then you end up with a matrix like this:
www.nws.noaa.gov
 
2014-01-07 09:08:27 PM  

Rev.K: lifeboat: Wind chill isn't completely meaningless; it means something to people who need to work outside and covering every inch of skin isn't an option.

DING DING DING DING DING!

This is the most important part the insipid asshole writer totally ignores.

I used to have field staff working for me at outdoor locations doing counts of people using pathways in the wintertime.

Our workplace safety policy states that we cannot have people working outside, at remote locations with no vehicle or temporary shelter if the temperature with windchill dips below -32C.

Why?

Because at -31C with a strong wind, THEY'RE GONNA F*CKING FREEZE REAL QUICK BECAUSE THE EFFECT ON THEIR BODIES IS MORE LIKE A TEMPERATURE OF -42C!

Yeah, I get that windchill is kind of subjective, BUT IT'S F*CKING REAL!


It certainly is. Yesterday it was -10F when I shoveled the sidewalk and windy as hell. This morning it was -17F when I went to work. It felt 20 degrees warmer.
 
2014-01-07 09:09:15 PM  
TFA: The gaudy negative numbers do more than describe the weather; they try to tell us how we experience it. The reporting of wind chill carries with it a paternalistic impulse to explain not just how cold it is, but how cold we'll feel.

But this is exactly what I want from the weather report!

I don't need to know the exact temperature as measured by a weather robot.  I want to know how it feels to be a human outdoors, so I can know what farking clothes to wear.

If I wanted a scientific measure of air temperature, I could take that myself.  It's not that hard.
 
2014-01-07 09:09:37 PM  
Sorry, I see that doglover has it covereed
 
2014-01-07 09:09:42 PM  

TomD9938: I was going to say that nobody ever says on a 75 degree summer day, "With the windchill, it feels like 65" and then I found this:




Is this unique to hot areas of the country?

I suppose those 110 degree days "feel" like a crisp 102 when there's a nice breeze in the air.


I saw this living in SLC. It'd be 85 with a windchill of 79 or somesuch.

Blew my mind coming from a place where 80%+ humidity at 95+° is half of July, all of August, and half of September.
 
2014-01-07 09:11:00 PM  

WTFDYW: Rev.K: lifeboat: Wind chill isn't completely meaningless; it means something to people who need to work outside and covering every inch of skin isn't an option.

DING DING DING DING DING!

This is the most important part the insipid asshole writer totally ignores.

I used to have field staff working for me at outdoor locations doing counts of people using pathways in the wintertime.

Our workplace safety policy states that we cannot have people working outside, at remote locations with no vehicle or temporary shelter if the temperature with windchill dips below -32C.

Why?

Because at -31C with a strong wind, THEY'RE GONNA F*CKING FREEZE REAL QUICK BECAUSE THE EFFECT ON THEIR BODIES IS MORE LIKE A TEMPERATURE OF -42C!

Yeah, I get that windchill is kind of subjective, BUT IT'S F*CKING REAL!

It certainly is. Yesterday it was -10F when I shoveled the sidewalk and windy as hell. This morning it was -17F when I went to work. It felt 20 degrees warmer.


There was no wind this morning

FTFM
 
2014-01-07 09:11:13 PM  
doglover:
[images.winecommunicationsgroup.com image 440x294]

ICE! WINE! BABY!
ecx.images-amazon.com
 
2014-01-07 09:11:26 PM  
Dan Engber

editor at Magazine

San Francisco Bay Area


The dude's from California. His opinion on weather means less than a child's.
 
2014-01-07 09:11:58 PM  
Hey stupid asshole writer.

Check this out.


My friend lives in Cape Dorset, Nunavut, AKA THE F*CKING CANADIAN ARCTIC.

Let's check in on current conditions, shall we?

i39.tinypic.com
Oh my! That -5F doesn't look so bad.

Oh wait, there's wind gusts of 43 - 54mph? Meh, no bother, I'm sure it's still more like -5F out there and not like that windchill reading of -37F.

Right?
 
2014-01-07 09:12:05 PM  

iron_city_ap: So, the author feels the same about the heat index? 100 degrees is 100 degrees.


This.

I've been on both ends of the wind chill/heat index and their both pretty damn real to me dammit.

Sub zero with no wind is a hell of a lot better than sub zero with a 15mph wind.  90 and 10% humidity is a whole lot better than 90 and 35%+ humidity.
 
2014-01-07 09:14:34 PM  

jaytkay: TomD9938:

Is this unique to hot areas of the country?

I suppose those 110 degree days "feel" like a crisp 102 when there's a nice breeze in the air.



It's not the breeze, it's the humidity. I've been to New Orleans in August and I've been to Death Valley. New Orleans "feels"hotter.


Well, I could see the number going up from the actual air temp then (I guess that's heat index) but in the graphic I showed from Phoenix, the actual temp was 83 and the "feels like" was 80.

Unless they have a base-line humidity too (say 30%) where actual air temp and feels like meet.

I just assumed the lower number meant there was a breeze in the air.
 
2014-01-07 09:15:38 PM  

hugh chardon: iron_city_ap: So, the author feels the same about the heat index? 100 degrees is 100 degrees.

This.

I've been on both ends of the wind chill/heat index and they're both pretty damn real to me dammit.

Sub zero with no wind is a hell of a lot better than sub zero with a 15mph wind.  90 and 10% humidity is a whole lot better than 90 and 35%+ humidity.


FTFM.  Proofread, then add comment.
 
2014-01-07 09:15:39 PM  
Yeah, as a northerner, I'm perfectly happy to have wind chill figured out for me so I don't walk outside in that crap on a bone-gnawingly windy day.
 
2014-01-07 09:17:01 PM  

iron_city_ap: So, the author feels the same about the heat index? 100 degrees is 100 degrees.


"But it's a dry heat."

Look, it's a Slate article; you may as well be reading some jackass's blog.
 
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