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(KTVB Boise)   Your cabin was the only one not destroyed in last year's massive forest fires? Here's your higher tax bill citizen   (ktvb.com) divider line 95
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2014-01-07 06:25:37 PM
"Idaho code requires that we assess to recent sales," Fisher told KTVB. "We can't just immediately, arbitrarily assign a value."

Really, because in my experience that is exactly what the science of Appraisals is. You just make sh*t up out of thin air.
 
2014-01-07 06:42:27 PM
It's the only cabin for miles.  Real estate just got super exclusive.
 
2014-01-07 08:36:04 PM
BOISE -- When Randy Turner found out his one-bedroom cabin near Pine, Idaho survived the Elk Complex Fire, he chocked it up to divine intervention.

"We don't know why God does these things, I look at it that way," Turner told KTVB's Andrea Lutz on a dusty road near Anderson Dam last August.


Man, you can just smell the smug self-righteousness, can't you?

Turner says the Elmore County Assessor's office recently sent him a letter stating the taxable value of his property was set to increase by 10 percent for the year 2014.

Where is your god now, asshole?

/Schadenfreude ist die schönste Freude
//Chocked?  Really?  Come on, guys - at least know how to spell your idioms.
 
2014-01-07 09:12:23 PM
The last thing my father said to me was.... cherish the cabin
 
2014-01-07 09:25:48 PM
"Chocked it up"?  Was it going to roll away?
 
2014-01-07 09:55:51 PM
"We don't know why God does these things, I look at it that way,"

Hint: It wasn't God
 
2014-01-07 10:00:16 PM

edmo: "We don't know why God does these things, I look at it that way,"

Hint: It wasn't God


simpsonswiki.com

/oblig
 
2014-01-07 10:26:52 PM
Obviously he met his prayer & sacrifice quota and his neighbors didn't.
 
2014-01-07 10:32:22 PM

divx88: Obviously he met his prayer & sacrifice quota and his neighbors didn't.



However, his neighbor's burnt offerings were pleasant in the taxman's sight.
 
2014-01-07 10:32:54 PM
It could be worse.

Didn't some counties in Colorado tell people, "We aren't providing fire service to you anymore" after this past summer's fires?
 
2014-01-07 10:33:16 PM
Guys tax rate on his second home goes up 10% but he is free to challenge it.  Oh the humanity.
 
2014-01-07 10:33:20 PM
That should have been status quo, according to Turner, whose cabin's value was supposed to increase because the building had recently been finished, and during the construction process had been taxed at a decreased value of $125,211.

So basically, he's biatching that the tax credit that was supposed to go away when construction finished, went away when construction finished.
 
2014-01-07 10:35:21 PM
So if they can't properly assess a value until 5 sales occur, why not freeze the assessments until then?

If the assessment drops, will they refund him the difference he over paid before those 5 sales occurred?

/sweet, sweet revenue. . .
 
2014-01-07 10:38:17 PM
Boo-friggin'-hoo.

Enigmamf: That should have been status quo, according to Turner, whose cabin's value was supposed to increase because the building had recently been finished, and during the construction process had been taxed at a decreased value of $125,211.

So basically, he's biatching that the tax credit that was supposed to go away when construction finished, went away when construction finished.


Exactly. He's an asshat.
 
2014-01-07 10:40:01 PM

HoratioGates: Guys tax rate on his second home goes up 10% but he is free to challenge it.  Oh the humanity.


It's like something straight out of 1984, or Trotsky's Leninism.
 
2014-01-07 10:40:05 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: BOISE -- When Randy Turner found out his one-bedroom cabin near Pine, Idaho survived the Elk Complex Fire, he chocked it up to divine intervention.

"We don't know why God does these things, I look at it that way," Turner told KTVB's Andrea Lutz on a dusty road near Anderson Dam last August.

Man, you can just smell the smug self-righteousness, can't you?

Turner says the Elmore County Assessor's office recently sent him a letter stating the taxable value of his property was set to increase by 10 percent for the year 2014.

Where is your god now, asshole?

/Schadenfreude ist die schönste Freude
//Chocked?  Really?  Come on, guys - at least know how to spell your idioms.


Punishing a guy for being blessed? Thanks, Obama!
 
2014-01-07 10:40:54 PM
If God saved your cabin, he also wanted you to pay higher taxes on it.
 
2014-01-07 10:41:59 PM
I know how this feels. I own a large, old house in a neighborhood that that is changing to include apartment buildings. The value appraised by the city doubled in 8 years.
 
2014-01-07 10:42:43 PM

Phil McKraken: I know how this feels. I own a large, old house in a neighborhood that that is changing to include apartment buildings. The value appraised by the city doubled in 8 years.


I should add, they're completely full of shiat. The valuation is completely arbitrary.
 
2014-01-07 10:43:30 PM
Nothing increases the value of a property like finding out it is in an area prone to forest fires.
 
2014-01-07 10:44:19 PM

Peter von Nostrand: The last thing my father said to me was.... cherish the cabin



For me, it was "Promise me, son, not to do the things I've done. Walk away from trouble if you can ..."

Now I can't get that damned tune out of my head. Thanks a lot, dad.
 
2014-01-07 10:45:06 PM
He could always set fire to the tax assessor.

/historical precedent for such things
 
2014-01-07 10:49:28 PM

FormlessOne: Boo-friggin'-hoo.

Enigmamf: That should have been status quo, according to Turner, whose cabin's value was supposed to increase because the building had recently been finished, and during the construction process had been taxed at a decreased value of $125,211.

So basically, he's biatching that the tax credit that was supposed to go away when construction finished, went away when construction finished.

Exactly. He's an asshat.


Um, no.

 While the value of the improvements went up (as it should) they didn't decrease the "value" of the land due to the forest fire...which is bullshiat as land after a fire like that typically doesn't sell unless you drop the price considerably. Nobody wants to live in a burnt out hunk of stumps that won't look pretty for another 40yrs.
 
2014-01-07 10:49:50 PM
Turner says the Elmore County Assessor's office recently sent him a letter stating the taxable value of his property was set to increase by 10 percent for the year 2014.
That should have been status quo, according to Turner, whose cabin's value was supposed to increase because the building had recently been finished, and during the construction process had been taxed at a decreased value of $125,211.


Oh the huge manatee.
 
2014-01-07 10:50:06 PM

SlothB77: Nothing increases the value of a property like finding out it is in an area prone to forest fires.


It has been pre-disastered!

i1.ytimg.com
 
2014-01-07 10:52:19 PM

NewportBarGuy: "Idaho code requires that we assess to recent sales," Fisher told KTVB. "We can't just immediately, arbitrarily assign a value."

Really, because in my experience that is exactly what the science of Appraisals is. You just make sh*t up out of thin air.


I can't tell if you are agreeing with the guy or disagreeing. Your latter statement seems to agree, but your former seems to disagree.
 
2014-01-07 10:53:41 PM

SlothB77: Nothing increases the value of a property like finding out it is in an area prone to forest fires.


Actually, the forest is pretty much nuked now.  Not much for a threat of Forest Fires for another few decades.
 
2014-01-07 10:54:05 PM

meat0918: It could be worse.

Didn't some counties in Colorado tell people, "We aren't providing fire service to you anymore" after this past summer's fires?


Citation way needed on that one bud. I didn't hear anything about any Counties doing that.
 
2014-01-07 10:56:12 PM

Phil McKraken: Phil McKraken: I know how this feels. I own a large, old house in a neighborhood that that is changing to include apartment buildings. The value appraised by the city doubled in 8 years.

I should add, they're completely full of shiat. The valuation is completely arbitrary.


Well, believe it or not it's not arbitrary. I mean, it's generally nonsensical, unfair, and against common sense, but I guarantee you there's about 1,000 pages of local code that the Property Appraiser has to follow in determining the values.
 
2014-01-07 10:58:06 PM

SearchN: meat0918: It could be worse.

Didn't some counties in Colorado tell people, "We aren't providing fire service to you anymore" after this past summer's fires?

Citation way needed on that one bud. I didn't hear anything about any Counties doing that.


I misunderstood the news report.

So, in correction, it was their insurance policies would be canceled if they did not take certain steps

http://blogs.gazette.com/sidestreets/2013/06/29/red-zone-homes-told- to -mitigate-wildfire-risk-by-cutting-trees-or-else/
 
2014-01-07 10:59:22 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: BOISE -- When Randy Turner found out his one-bedroom cabin near Pine, Idaho survived the Elk Complex Fire, he chocked it up to divine intervention.

"We don't know why God does these things, I look at it that way," Turner told KTVB's Andrea Lutz on a dusty road near Anderson Dam last August.

Man, you can just smell the smug self-righteousness, can't you?

Turner says the Elmore County Assessor's office recently sent him a letter stating the taxable value of his property was set to increase by 10 percent for the year 2014.

Where is your god now, asshole?

/Schadenfreude ist die schönste Freude
//Chocked?  Really?  Come on, guys - at least know how to spell your idioms.


Yep that is a big air ball. We're fixing it. 'Chock it up' to a chalk shortage.
 
2014-01-07 11:00:18 PM

cuzsis: FormlessOne: Boo-friggin'-hoo.

Enigmamf: That should have been status quo, according to Turner, whose cabin's value was supposed to increase because the building had recently been finished, and during the construction process had been taxed at a decreased value of $125,211.

So basically, he's biatching that the tax credit that was supposed to go away when construction finished, went away when construction finished.

Exactly. He's an asshat.

Um, no.

 While the value of the improvements went up (as it should) they didn't decrease the "value" of the land due to the forest fire...which is bullshiat as land after a fire like that typically doesn't sell unless you drop the price considerably. Nobody wants to live in a burnt out hunk of stumps that won't look pretty for another 40yrs.


Stumps?  In Elmore County?  To have a stump, does that not necessarily presuppose a tree to make a stump from?
 
2014-01-07 11:01:51 PM

SlothB77: Nothing increases the value of a property like finding out it is in an area prone to forest fires.


Well it isn't prone to fires any more. There aren't any trees left.
 
2014-01-07 11:10:25 PM

meat0918: It could be worse.

Didn't some counties in Colorado tell people, "We aren't providing fire service to you anymore" after this past summer's fires?


This was started and completely fought by National Forest/National crews.  No county Firefighters here except for a small support role.
 
2014-01-07 11:15:01 PM

g4lt: Stumps?  In Elmore County?  To have a stump, does that not necessarily presuppose a tree to make a stump from?


Elmore county is about 1/2 to 1/3rd on National Forest lands.  Plenty of trees to go around.  Don't be fooled by what you see on I-84
 
2014-01-07 11:15:53 PM
Congratulations you have now discovered that tax assessors pull numbers out there ass.
 
2014-01-07 11:16:35 PM

cuzsis: FormlessOne: Boo-friggin'-hoo.

Enigmamf: That should have been status quo, according to Turner, whose cabin's value was supposed to increase because the building had recently been finished, and during the construction process had been taxed at a decreased value of $125,211.

So basically, he's biatching that the tax credit that was supposed to go away when construction finished, went away when construction finished.

Exactly. He's an asshat.

Um, no.

 While the value of the improvements went up (as it should) they didn't decrease the "value" of the land due to the forest fire...which is bullshiat as land after a fire like that typically doesn't sell unless you drop the price considerably. Nobody wants to live in a burnt out hunk of stumps that won't look pretty for another 40yrs.


And, by law, they can't re-assess his land at the lower valuation until those sales have occurred.  So yes, he's being an asshat.
 
2014-01-07 11:18:04 PM
"We don't know why God does these things"

Well, now you know why.  He wanted you to pay higher taxes.  God Wills it!
 
2014-01-07 11:21:51 PM
How is waiting for 5 sales going to help? All of those sales will be for burnt land, HE still has a cabin. If he was smart he'd buy out his neighbors for pennies on the dollar and make his own little kingdom. Considering its current look, he could call it Mordor.

/and one does not simply walk in and assess Mordor
 
2014-01-07 11:22:01 PM

cuzsis: FormlessOne: Boo-friggin'-hoo.

Enigmamf: That should have been status quo, according to Turner, whose cabin's value was supposed to increase because the building had recently been finished, and during the construction process had been taxed at a decreased value of $125,211.

So basically, he's biatching that the tax credit that was supposed to go away when construction finished, went away when construction finished.

Exactly. He's an asshat.

Um, no.

 While the value of the improvements went up (as it should) they didn't decrease the "value" of the land due to the forest fire...which is bullshiat as land after a fire like that typically doesn't sell unless you drop the price considerably. Nobody wants to live in a burnt out hunk of stumps that won't look pretty for another 40yrs.


It'll be pretty green within a few years at most. Lots of forests depend on fire for reproduction. The ground is now fertilized by the dead,  many seeds have been activated by heat, and soon enough the green will come back. Though it may suck in the first year if it rains a lot. The neighbors will return with new modern cabins. The area will recover soon enough so that people will forget all about this and the cycle will begin again. Circle of life, circle of life.
 
2014-01-07 11:30:29 PM

flemardo: It'll be pretty green within a few years at most. Lots of forests depend on fire for reproduction. The ground is now fertilized by the dead,  many seeds have been activated by heat, and soon enough the green will come back.


For the most part, it should be.  The issue that some of these areas have with all the beetle-killed and fuel-loaded forest is that they sometimes burn so hot as to actually sterilize instead of fertilize.  These don't come back like standard forest fires
 
2014-01-07 11:35:24 PM
"Idaho code requires that we assess to recent sales," Fisher told KTVB. "We can't just immediately, arbitrarily assign a value."

Yet they do. Might not be next week, but they do.

Rick Anderson is a tax policy specialist at the Idaho Tax Commission. He says elected tax assessors like Fisher have the power to determine property values at any time.
"He would have the power to reappraise as of January 1st," Anderson told KTVB. "It's his prerogative."


Then use it in this case. Quit looking at a sheet of paper of numbers, go take a visit out there and look around.
 
2014-01-07 11:35:49 PM

HeadLever: g4lt: Stumps?  In Elmore County?  To have a stump, does that not necessarily presuppose a tree to make a stump from?

Elmore county is about 1/2 to 1/3rd on National Forest lands.  Plenty of trees to go around.  Don't be fooled by what you see on I-84


What the forest in Featherville might look like... images.homeswing.com
 
2014-01-07 11:38:07 PM

edmo: "We don't know why God does these things, I look at it that way,"

Hint: It wasn't God


I'm sick of morons and their "God". So "God" wanted to burn down every other cabin but yours because you're special...just like he helped that one team get a touchdown over another, cured someone's cancer but not someone elses, and gave that one person the winning lottery numbers... all after he appeared on someone's toast.
 
2014-01-07 11:40:03 PM

cuzsis: Nobody wants to live in a burnt out hunk of stumps that won't look pretty for another 40yrs


Nobody?

bookpeopleblog.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-01-07 11:42:29 PM

OhioUGrad: edmo: "We don't know why God does these things, I look at it that way,"

Hint: It wasn't God

I'm sick of morons and their "God". So "God" wanted to burn down every other cabin but yours because you're special...just like he helped that one team get a touchdown over another, cured someone's cancer but not someone elses, and gave that one person the winning lottery numbers... all after he appeared on someone's toast.



I know. Everyone knows god plays for Pittsburgh and no one else.
 
2014-01-07 11:47:01 PM

cuzsis: Nobody wants to live in a burnt out hunk of stumps that won't look pretty for another 40yrs.


Yeah, well, nobody wanted you either, till me and your mom held up a hand in that auction.  We were the only ones, so we knew we would get a good price.  But we also knew that it meant you were undesirable.  We didn't care.  We hesitated for a moment, but we didn't care.  We knew one day you'd look decent.  Heck, maybe even pretty if we waited long enough.  So don't you come in here saying what is or isn't pretty.  We didn't use those judgments on you.
 
2014-01-07 11:48:56 PM

g4lt: What the forest in Featherville might look like...


But just up north a bit in Altanta.....

earthwormenvy.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-01-07 11:54:52 PM

BSABSVR: It's the only cabin for miles.  Real estate just got super exclusive.


View tax?
 
2014-01-07 11:55:58 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Phil McKraken: Phil McKraken: I know how this feels. I own a large, old house in a neighborhood that that is changing to include apartment buildings. The value appraised by the city doubled in 8 years.

I should add, they're completely full of shiat. The valuation is completely arbitrary.

Well, believe it or not it's not arbitrary. I mean, it's generally nonsensical, unfair, and against common sense, but I guarantee you there's about 1,000 pages of local code that the Property Appraiser has to follow in determining the values.


My chief complaint was the comparison of our house with the houses in a much nicer neighborhood two miles away. As opposed to the houses in the less expensive neighborhood two miles away in the opposite direction.
 
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