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2014-01-07 02:13:17 PM  
The Spliffy tag fell asleep and smells like tuna and patchouli .
 
2014-01-07 02:20:24 PM  
Any time you're doing research seeking a specific answer you're probably going to find just what you want.
 
2014-01-07 02:20:59 PM  
Smells like boolsheet.
 
2014-01-07 02:21:53 PM  
media.tumblr.com
 
2014-01-07 02:22:17 PM  
We must protect our precious little snowflakes. Many of these 25 year old children still live at home and are still in school.

won't someone think of the children?
 
2014-01-07 02:22:40 PM  
Umm *raises hand*

There's a large number of us 30-somethings who grew up on Dr. Dre and Cheeck and Chong movies. Any word on what we're supposed to do?


/Not that it'll stop us
 
2014-01-07 02:24:10 PM  
So wait, <25 is bad and >40 is okay...

What about the crucial 26-39 market!?!
 
2014-01-07 02:25:01 PM  
I've been saying that for years.  I really didn't need drugs as a kid.  I need them now!!!
 
2014-01-07 02:26:48 PM  
There are a lot of children in pain who will suffer if Obama passes this law.
 
2014-01-07 02:28:19 PM  
So clearly there's a link. But did the pot cause pyschosis? Let's ask some psychotic people.
 
2014-01-07 02:28:48 PM  
Nothing more amazing than people who reject the notion that a psychoactive drug might cause changes to the brain...
 
2014-01-07 02:30:21 PM  

DubtodaIll: Any time you're doing research seeking a specific answer you're probably going to find just what you want.


Granted, but here's my CSB...

When I called a doctor to get an MMJ card several years ago the first question the receptionist asked was, "How old are you?" When I showed up for the appointment I asked him why they'd asked my age, to which he replied, "I don't give MMJ cards to patients under 25 unless they have active life-threatening cancer or AIDS, or something that serious. Marijuana has powerful effects on the still-developing brain, and IMO young patients should exhaust all other remedies before trying it, and that's something they need to work out with their primary care physician." (or words to that effect)

/CSB
 
2014-01-07 02:34:38 PM  
Just like drinking coffee will stunt your growth.
 
2014-01-07 02:34:39 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: Umm *raises hand*

There's a large number of us 30-somethings who grew up on Dr. Dre and Cheeck and Chong movies. Any word on what we're supposed to do?


/Not that it'll stop us


Cheeck?

Lights up...
 
2014-01-07 02:37:13 PM  
There are a lot of studies that show that marijuana can trigger mental illness, most notably schizophrenia.

I would post links, but I'm on a mobile right now.

/almost all of them are tiny sample sizes and not very scientific (surveys).
 
2014-01-07 02:38:29 PM  

Stone Meadow: DubtodaIll: Any time you're doing research seeking a specific answer you're probably going to find just what you want.

Granted, but here's my CSB...

When I called a doctor to get an MMJ card several years ago the first question the receptionist asked was, "How old are you?" When I showed up for the appointment I asked him why they'd asked my age, to which he replied, "I don't give MMJ cards to patients under 25 unless they have active life-threatening cancer or AIDS, or something that serious. Marijuana has powerful effects on the still-developing brain, and IMO young patients should exhaust all other remedies before trying it, and that's something they need to work out with their primary care physician." (or words to that effect)

/CSB


Sounds reasonable.

It's a psychoactive drug used on a developing brain, but the methodology is suspect.  What are the odds people more prone to behavioral/psych problems are the people who were more willing to get high in school?

Still I'm not sure how you would test that sort of thing properly.  Start dosing monkeys while regularly scanning and dissecting their brains?
 
2014-01-07 02:38:48 PM  
Read the paper name as the Chronic Herald.
 
2014-01-07 02:40:05 PM  

TabASlotB: Nothing more amazing than people who reject the notion that a psychoactive drug might cause changes to the brain...


sxacho: So clearly there's a link. But did the pot cause pyschosis? Let's ask some psychotic people.


I'm not an expert but I've had an ongoing argument with my SO that pot is a gateway drug and is addictive. And I've done some reading but the best answer I've seen so far: people who already have issues and smoke pot start with it because of availability. So psychotic people don't necessarily become that way due to pot but usage may occur with psychotic people. Not arguing that the drug does not change the way the brain works but nearly everything you take in can impact brain patterns. As for a gateway, most studies found that people who end up doing harder drugs start with pot because it's easy to get and eventually end up using the harder drugs one way or the other. And I'm not a smoker, but I have experimented when I was younger.
 
2014-01-07 02:40:48 PM  

Tr0mBoNe: The Spliffy tag fell asleep and smells like tuna and patchouli .


NSFW language audio link...


https://m.soundcloud.com/thekillerkit chenutensils/killer-kitchen-uten s ils-1993
 
2014-01-07 02:44:00 PM  

MrSplifferton: There are a lot of studies that show that marijuana can trigger mental illness, most notably schizophrenia.

I would post links, but I'm on a mobile right now.

/almost all of them are tiny sample sizes and not very scientific (surveys).


I disagree, more say that the illness was there prior to usage. Usage made things worse but the mental illness was already there.
 
2014-01-07 02:48:31 PM  
But the effects of alcohol are fine I'm sure, drink up!
 
2014-01-07 02:53:16 PM  

TheBigJerk: Stone Meadow: DubtodaIll: Any time you're doing research seeking a specific answer you're probably going to find just what you want.

Granted, but here's my CSB...

When I called a doctor to get an MMJ card several years ago the first question the receptionist asked was, "How old are you?" When I showed up for the appointment I asked him why they'd asked my age, to which he replied, "I don't give MMJ cards to patients under 25 unless they have active life-threatening cancer or AIDS, or something that serious. Marijuana has powerful effects on the still-developing brain, and IMO young patients should exhaust all other remedies before trying it, and that's something they need to work out with their primary care physician." (or words to that effect)

/CSB

Sounds reasonable.

It's a psychoactive drug used on a developing brain, but the methodology is suspect.  What are the odds people more prone to behavioral/psych problems are the people who were more willing to get high in school?

Still I'm not sure how you would test that sort of thing properly.  Start dosing monkeys while regularly scanning and dissecting their brains?


And I agree, which was the point I was trying to make to DubtodaIll. OTOH, IMO the societal costs of pot prohibition far outweigh the costs of legalization, just as with ciggies and alcohol, so that's just something we'll have to work through.
 
2014-01-07 02:54:06 PM  

sonofslacker: MrSplifferton: There are a lot of studies that show that marijuana can trigger mental illness, most notably schizophrenia.

I would post links, but I'm on a mobile right now.

/almost all of them are tiny sample sizes and not very scientific (surveys).

I disagree, more say that the illness was there prior to usage. Usage made things worse but the mental illness was already there.


That is likely the case as well due to self medication. There is a very high correlation to those with mental illness and the use of street drugs.

However, I am not sure that is ALWAYS the case. Many people develop their illness in their twenties, long after their first usage of pot.

I am not saying that those studies are correct in assuming that it is causation instead of correlation. But if there is a correlation, it would probably be best to not give it too children (under 18 or 21 or whatever) especially if that person has mental illness that runs in the family.

/Exceptions for kids that have seizures that it can help with, or other severe disease
 
2014-01-07 03:03:29 PM  
Anyone who has only ever been high on life has mental illness
 
2014-01-07 03:04:44 PM  
Wooooooooooo! Hooooooooooooooo!!!!!1 I'm over 40!!
 
2014-01-07 03:07:10 PM  
While my experience is purely anecdotal of course, I will say that I wish I had never done it.  I started when I was 13 and by 14 I was a fairly regular (a few times a week) user until I was 17.  I'm certain it did irreparable damage to my brain.  By 15 I felt like a burnout.  I felt dumber and slower and always out of it.  I quit at 17 because it got to the point that I thought I was going crazy.  I felt extremely claustrophobic and was afraid to be alone.  I was in a constant haze and extremely depressed.  It took me a couple years to start to feel "normal" again and not in a constant haze.  I still suffered from depression and anxiety for years after though.  While there could be many reasons or combinations of reasons for these issues, I don't think this helped.  I often wonder how different things would have been if I had never done it.  I think I would have been a lot better off in the long run.

I'm not anti-pot or anything and think it should be legal, but I have seen the devastating effects it can have on people's lives (not just my own).  I've seen smart, capable young adults turn into loser burnouts with no motivation who can't seem to get their lives together even now that they're in their 30's (much more regular users than I ever was).  I feel bad for them, but they don't make the correlation that perhaps their habit has negatively affected their lives.  But that being said, I think it should be their legal choice to make whether they want to do it or not.  I just think it should be a 21+ thing like alcohol (might as well keep it consistent legally).
 
2014-01-07 03:07:12 PM  
Comment 26! I'm ready for my hit...oh wait...k, be back later
 
2014-01-07 03:07:21 PM  
"citation.jpg"

Really!!, where is the paper, research, details...

I had pseudo-science when predetermined conclusions are found "true" in research.
 
2014-01-07 03:08:46 PM  
Psychosis typically develops from ages 18 to 25, often the primary period - or even earlier - people smoke potdrink alcohol.

Correlation -- causation, more like another shill's personal crusade against something he personally dislikes and therfore believes nobody should like.
 
2014-01-07 03:13:00 PM  

StrangeQ: Psychosis typically develops from ages 18 to 25, often the primary period - or even earlier - people smoke potdrink alcohol.

Correlation -- causation, more like another shill's personal crusade against something he personally dislikes and therfore believes nobody should like.


There was an article on the internet that 37 people died of cannabis overdoes on the first day of legalization in Colorado.

It's on the internet so it must be true.  Plus I told you so.
 
2014-01-07 03:22:21 PM  
Another manufactured threat to society. I second the Bullshiat motion.

I know someone who was a neurotic mess as a kid. He thought that superstitions were real, thought that if he put on the right foot sock on first was going to make his day worse, believed everything bad in Horoscopes happened, got bad grades because he couldn't understand, and was terrified all the time. He started smoking pot about 15 years old and all that went away. He said "I realize it was all just me. And I also 'get it' now in school." His grades went from C, D and F to A's and B's.

Maybe he had better pot.
 
2014-01-07 03:27:19 PM  
So, don't feel bad about living it your parent's basement. You're still a child who must be protected from evil things like drugs and girls.
 
2014-01-07 03:30:07 PM  
PillsHere:   I started when I was 13 and by 14 I was a fairly regular (a few times a week) user until I was 17.  I'm certain it did irreparable damage to my brain.  By 15 I felt like a burnout.

And that has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with pot.  That is a result of living in a shiatty household and having a shiatty upbringing.  Replace pot with any other intoxicating substance in that situation and the results would have been just the same if not worse.
 
2014-01-07 03:32:24 PM  

Research has shown that pot lowers dopamine levels so this is where the ;lazy and unmotivated thing comes in



Having said this, I think SSRIs much more dangerous. At least pot does not cause serotonin syndrome.
 
2014-01-07 03:32:32 PM  

Stoker: Another manufactured threat to society. I second the Bullshiat motion.

I know someone who was a neurotic mess as a kid. He thought that superstitions were real, thought that if he put on the right foot sock on first was going to make his day worse, believed everything bad in Horoscopes happened, got bad grades because he couldn't understand, and was terrified all the time. He started smoking pot about 15 years old and all that went away. He said "I realize it was all just me. And I also 'get it' now in school." His grades went from C, D and F to A's and B's.

Maybe he had better pot.


Or maybe it affects people differently.

I have never had issues of paranoia or hallucinations when I was high.

On the other hand, my mentally ill wife has serious paranoia and her delusions manifest as visual and audible instead of just audible when she doesn't smoke.

Another friend of mine had similar symptoms if he smoked too much, but he has no mental health issues that I am aware of.

If you are interested you can go to schizophrenia dot com and read posts from mentally ill people on how they react to pot. Some claim that it helps, other it tends to send into psychosis.

/Brain chemistry is complex, especially when mental illness is involved.
 
2014-01-07 03:33:21 PM  

PillsHere: While my experience is purely anecdotal of course, I will say that I wish I had never done it.  I started when I was 13 and by 14 I was a fairly regular (a few times a week) user until I was 17.  I'm certain it did irreparable damage to my brain.  By 15 I felt like a burnout.  I felt dumber and slower and always out of it.  I quit at 17 because it got to the point that I thought I was going crazy.  I felt extremely claustrophobic and was afraid to be alone.  I was in a constant haze and extremely depressed.  It took me a couple years to start to feel "normal" again and not in a constant haze.  I still suffered from depression and anxiety for years after though.  While there could be many reasons or combinations of reasons for these issues, I don't think this helped.  I often wonder how different things would have been if I had never done it.  I think I would have been a lot better off in the long run.

I'm not anti-pot or anything and think it should be legal, but I have seen the devastating effects it can have on people's lives (not just my own).  I've seen smart, capable young adults turn into loser burnouts with no motivation who can't seem to get their lives together even now that they're in their 30's (much more regular users than I ever was).  I feel bad for them, but they don't make the correlation that perhaps their habit has negatively affected their lives.  But that being said, I think it should be their legal choice to make whether they want to do it or not.  I just think it should be a 21+ thing like alcohol (might as well keep it consistent legally).


My anecdotal story: I smoked regular for 2 to 3 years in my teens and recreationally (1 to 2 times a week) for several years after that. Frankly I turned out to be a normal person. Could I have been brilliant or a genius? I don't know but I doubt it. Do I have issues? Yes, just like about everyone else out there. Frankly, I think alcohol impacts me in worse ways that pot ever did.

Hearing your story, first get professional help if you haven't already. Seriously. Take care of your mental health. Again, I'm not an expert or even professional but I would guess the underlying issues were there when you started and the pot made it worse.
 
2014-01-07 03:33:27 PM  

The Irresponsible Captain: So, don't feel bad about living it your parent's basement. You're still a child who must be protected from evil things like drugs and girls.


As a 28-year-old who works full-time, goes to college full-time, lives with his (soon-to-be) in-laws, and smokes pot, I am not amused.
 
2014-01-07 03:35:40 PM  

MrSplifferton: /Brain chemistry is complex, especially when mental illness is involved.


Best comment I've read all day.
 
2014-01-07 03:37:42 PM  
I've known at least one schizophrenic who had his first psychotic break at about 27 while trying pot for the first time.  Last I knew, he was living in his car.

I've also known people who treat their specific mental illness with illegal drugs.  Stimulants are supposed to be bad for Obsessive Compulsive Disorder, but mushrooms are supposed to help.  Ketamine is supposed to work well on depression, at least short term.
 
2014-01-07 03:38:11 PM  
Drugs're bad, m'kay? But putting 6-year-olds on Ritalin is fine.
 
2014-01-07 03:38:17 PM  
Comment 41.  Who's got the bong.
 
2014-01-07 03:40:08 PM  

un4gvn666: As a 28-year-old who works full-time, goes to college full-time, lives with his (soon-to-be) in-laws, and smokes pot, I am not amused.


Don't take this the wrong way, but you're not helping our cause, man.
 
2014-01-07 03:43:08 PM  
You kids stay in school and get an education. Stay away from drugs. Leave that sort of stuff to professionals like me.

www.ismokemag.co.uk

Do not attempt at home.
 
2014-01-07 03:44:06 PM  

SmellsLikePoo: un4gvn666: As a 28-year-old who works full-time, goes to college full-time, lives with his (soon-to-be) in-laws, and smokes pot, I am not amused.

Don't take this the wrong way, but you're not helping our cause, man.


I'm dealing with depression and I had an unexpected job loss resulting in loss of my residential independence.

Not that it matters, because my situation has fark-all to do with whether or not there are people with legitimate medical need for the substance. Legalization won't affect me one way or the other.
 
2014-01-07 03:58:27 PM  

Stone Meadow: the societal costs of pot prohibition far outweigh the costs of legalization


Yep.  Fiscally and socially.

This is the only argument that matters.  The rest is just noise, spin and propaganda.
 
2014-01-07 03:59:38 PM  

un4gvn666: SmellsLikePoo: un4gvn666: As a 28-year-old who works full-time, goes to college full-time, lives with his (soon-to-be) in-laws, and smokes pot, I am not amused.

Don't take this the wrong way, but you're not helping our cause, man.

I'm dealing with depression and I had an unexpected job loss resulting in loss of my residential independence.

Not that it matters, because my situation has fark-all to do with whether or not there are people with legitimate medical need for the substance. Legalization won't affect me one way or the other.


Hope you didn't take it personal, saw the setup... had to go for it....

I know where you're coming from!  I basically dropped out of college for two years (long story) so I had a delayed graduation, and actually married my wife two months before I was officially a college grad.

I've been a pot head since I was a teenager, but I still managed a good education, hold down a good job, am very active, etc....  Nancy Grace can kiss my ass.
 
2014-01-07 04:02:17 PM  

SmellsLikePoo: un4gvn666: SmellsLikePoo: un4gvn666: As a 28-year-old who works full-time, goes to college full-time, lives with his (soon-to-be) in-laws, and smokes pot, I am not amused.

Don't take this the wrong way, but you're not helping our cause, man.

I'm dealing with depression and I had an unexpected job loss resulting in loss of my residential independence.

Not that it matters, because my situation has fark-all to do with whether or not there are people with legitimate medical need for the substance. Legalization won't affect me one way or the other.

Hope you didn't take it personal, saw the setup... had to go for it....

I know where you're coming from!  I basically dropped out of college for two years (long story) so I had a delayed graduation, and actually married my wife two months before I was officially a college grad.

I've been a pot head since I was a teenager, but I still managed a good education, hold down a good job, am very active, etc....  Nancy Grace can kiss my ass.


*terrorist fist jab*
 
2014-01-07 04:10:19 PM  

SmellsLikePoo: Nancy Grace can kiss my ass.


I think this is something we can all agree on regardless of your personal opinions about almost any subject.
 
2014-01-07 04:18:23 PM  

Stone Meadow: TheBigJerk: Stone Meadow: DubtodaIll: Any time you're doing research seeking a specific answer you're probably going to find just what you want.

Granted, but here's my CSB...

When I called a doctor to get an MMJ card several years ago the first question the receptionist asked was, "How old are you?" When I showed up for the appointment I asked him why they'd asked my age, to which he replied, "I don't give MMJ cards to patients under 25 unless they have active life-threatening cancer or AIDS, or something that serious. Marijuana has powerful effects on the still-developing brain, and IMO young patients should exhaust all other remedies before trying it, and that's something they need to work out with their primary care physician." (or words to that effect)

/CSB

Sounds reasonable.

It's a psychoactive drug used on a developing brain, but the methodology is suspect.  What are the odds people more prone to behavioral/psych problems are the people who were more willing to get high in school?

Still I'm not sure how you would test that sort of thing properly.  Start dosing monkeys while regularly scanning and dissecting their brains?

And I agree, which was the point I was trying to make to DubtodaIll. OTOH, IMO the societal costs of pot prohibition far outweigh the costs of legalization, just as with ciggies and alcohol, so that's just something we'll have to work through.


They could make the legal age for marijuana purchase and use 25.  Which really I don't think is unreasonable.
 
2014-01-07 04:22:25 PM  
So my CSB    - I'm dying to get stoned today (49 years old) but the weather has hampered that.  I'm an accountant and two of the smartest CPAs I know started smoking at around thirteen.  And almost forty years later, still do.   Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

/where was I going with that?
//wait, it will come to me  (comma goes there)
 
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