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(NBC News)   In today's edition of the "You Don't Say" news: The GOP apparently suffers from something called an empathy gap   (firstread.nbcnews.com ) divider line
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2014-01-07 01:47:31 PM  
I can see that.  The Dems never care about how the oppressed rich white Christians feel.


/Oh the GOP is less empathetic?  Nevermind then.
 
2014-01-07 01:47:41 PM  
As well as the Democrats suffering from an "In touch with reality" gap
 
2014-01-07 02:09:47 PM  
Well, that went south quick.
 
2014-01-07 02:15:40 PM  
Today, the RNC is launching radio ads targeting key 2014 Democrats-like Sens. Mark Begich (D-AK), Mark Pryor (D-AR), and Mary Landrieu (D-LA) -- over the canceled health-care plans under the Affordable Care Act

Yeah, keep biatching about Obamacare. By November of 2014 there's no way that will come back to bite you...
 
2014-01-07 02:25:20 PM  

Sniffers Row: As well as the Democrats suffering from an "In touch with reality" gap


The world must be terribly confusing for you. All that laughter and joy and you just can't figure out why people have these sorts of positive emotions, can you? So you fake it, and laugh along with everyone else and hope that will be enough.
 
2014-01-07 02:32:20 PM  
Republicans can certainly empathize with people that are being harassed for being anti-gay bigots.
 
2014-01-07 02:36:30 PM  
Using the terms "empathy" and "gap" in the context of the GOP presents much the same problem as trying to divide by zero.
 
2014-01-07 02:38:57 PM  

EvilEgg: I can see that.  The Dems never care about how the oppressed rich white Christians feel.


/Oh the GOP is less empathetic?  Nevermind then.




I don't think you are too clear on the definition of oppressed.
 
2014-01-07 02:42:10 PM  
dat gap

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2014-01-07 02:42:18 PM  
Empathy gap or asshole chasm.
 
2014-01-07 02:43:40 PM  

SovietCanuckistan: Empathy gap or asshole chasm.


Please, no one type "asshole chasm" into google. Just saying.
 
2014-01-07 02:44:00 PM  
Bullshiate,

Have you ever seen how sorry they feel for themselves?

They have a ton of empathy.
 
2014-01-07 02:44:46 PM  

SovietCanuckistan: asshole chasm.


Well, it looks like my search for a new band name is over.
 
2014-01-07 02:45:07 PM  
"Suffer from?" Methinks that, like a creationist mother grading her son's science test, we're giving conservatives far more credit than they deserve.
 
2014-01-07 02:45:36 PM  
3.bp.blogspot.com

What about the mine shaft gap?
 
2014-01-07 02:46:08 PM  
It's weird that a party that subscribes to a political philosophy that greed is good, money = success, and selfishness is a virtue, could ever lack empathy.
 
2014-01-07 02:47:23 PM  

un4gvn666: SovietCanuckistan: Empathy gap or asshole chasm.

Please, no one type "asshole chasm" into google. Just saying.


(type type type) Whoa! your mm needs to adjust her privacy settings on Facebook!  No one needs to see that!

/I keed.
 
2014-01-07 02:47:24 PM  
"In today's edition of the "You Don't Say" news: The GOP apparently suffers from something called an empathy gap"

In tomorrow's edition of the "You Don't Say" news: GOP decides that any resolution to the empathy gap would be a bridge to nowhere.
 
2014-01-07 02:50:50 PM  
em·pa·thy
noun \ˈem-pə-thē\
: the feeling that you understand and share another person's experiences and emotions : the ability to share someone else's feelings

Strange, I don't see "fark you, I got mine" in there at all
 
2014-01-07 02:51:13 PM  

Sniffers Row: As well as the Democrats suffering from an "In touch with reality" gap


Made me think of Romney telling people just to borrow money from their parents to go to university.
 
2014-01-07 02:53:11 PM  

mrshowrules: Sniffers Row: As well as the Democrats suffering from an "In touch with reality" gap

Made me think of PresidentRomney telling people just to borrow money from their parents to go to university.


/ftfy
/He won in a blowout, remember? Study it out.
/"In touch with reality gap," you say?
 
2014-01-07 02:55:48 PM  
Republicans can only be empathetic with things that directly affect them.

Cheney - gay marriage
McCain - torture
Rubio - immigration
Reagan - gun control
 
2014-01-07 02:58:36 PM  

mrshowrules: Republicans can only be empathetic with things that directly affect them.

Cheney - gay marriage
McCain - torture
Rubio - immigration
Reagan - gun control


Reagan only started speaking out against AIDS after Rock Hudson died.
 
2014-01-07 03:00:29 PM  

dickfreckle: SovietCanuckistan: asshole chasm.

Well, it looks like my search for a new band name is over.


Great. Now everyone is going to think I named my kid after your band.
 
2014-01-07 03:01:36 PM  

mrshowrules: Republicans can only be empathetic with things that directly affect them.

Cheney - gay marriage
McCain - torture
Rubio - immigrationwater conservation
Reagan - gun control



immigration? Um Not really. And he is of Cuban descent, so....
 
2014-01-07 03:03:19 PM  
Remember in 2008 when Republicans were literally saying that empathy was bad?
 
2014-01-07 03:03:36 PM  
Empathy is not a natural state. Our society is built on any act of altruism having some benefit to the doer. That said, republicans are a special breed of selfish... Off the charts. I hope there's no afterlife for these people. Nobody deserves to burn that hard.

/utilizing cognitive dissonance against the poor and ignorant is no way to go through life son.
 
2014-01-07 03:04:36 PM  

Bith Set Me Up: mrshowrules: Republicans can only be empathetic with things that directly affect them.

Cheney - gay marriage
McCain - torture
Rubio - immigration
Reagan - gun control

Reagan only started speaking out against AIDS after Rock Hudson died.


What they have is almost the opposite of empathy.  They can't place themselves in someone else's shoes emotionally unless they are force to wear the shoes.  Also, whenever they take a position based on more knowledge/experience, it is a Liberal position.

Most Liberals can take the correct position on things my empathetically  understanding issues even if they were never personally involved.

For instance, I think Mexican people working like slaves in the US just to try and make a life for themselves, should not be treated like criminals.  I have absolutely nothing close to personal experience with this but my gut tells me it is wrong.
 
2014-01-07 03:15:07 PM  

mrshowrules: What they have is almost the opposite of empathy


Exactly... It's a party chocker-blocked with mean-spirited, selfish, proudly ignorant assholes who'll gleefully throw their fellow citizens under a bus in the name of political ideology.
 
2014-01-07 03:18:36 PM  
Depends how you define empathy. If you want to define empathy.

"showing compassion and concern for people."

That's not empathy.
 
2014-01-07 03:20:01 PM  

mrshowrules: Republicans can only be empathetic with things that directly affect them.

Cheney - gay marriage
McCain - torture
Rubio - immigration
Reagan - gun control


Palin Bachmann - bear baiting
 
2014-01-07 03:25:36 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Depends how you define empathy. If you want to define empathy.

"showing compassion and concern for people."

That's not empathy.


No not that specifically.  The reason we say they lack empathy is because they don't seem to care or fathom how the consequences of their actions affect people.  As mrshowrules pointed out upthread, conservatives want to throw anyone who is here undocumented solely because "it's illegal.  You broke the law, suffer the consequences!"

What they fail to take into account is how this will split up families and make people who have been here since they were 5, and now, say, 25 and working to get a degree, get kicked out of the country when they were here by no fault of their own.

They either lack empathy, or are just shiat-stains of a human being.
 
2014-01-07 03:27:12 PM  

inclemency: Empathy is not a natural state.


I'm no evolutionary biologist/anthropologist, but I seem to recall some (fairly recent) research suggesting that it is natural among mammals.
 
2014-01-07 03:27:13 PM  

inclemency: Empathy is not a natural state. Our society is built on any act of altruism having some benefit to the doer. That said, republicans are a special breed of selfish... Off the charts. I hope there's no afterlife for these people. Nobody deserves to burn that hard.

/utilizing cognitive dissonance against the poor and ignorant is no way to go through life son.


You may think that.  It probably then makes your little clockwork model of our society make sense in your head.  But people do act altruistically without any expectation for benefits.  It doesn't make sense, it is not economically rational, but it happens.  Humans don't act rationally 100% of the time, thinking that our society is built off of rational self interest is a misconception.

Also you may not be giving empathy a fair shake.  Whether it is taught or inherent nearly everyone seems to get a small degree of empathy.  Even small children seem to care about other beings, especially tiny animals and even sometimes inanimate objects.  I don't know if it is instinctual or encoded in our genes, but it's so omnipresent I feel calling it unnatural is doing it a disservice.

But to the topic at hand, Conservative ideologies definitely appeal to people with less empathy.  Along with more fear this defines a right wing authoritarian.
 
2014-01-07 03:31:31 PM  
Republican empathy revolves around teaching a man to fish.

Republican empathy does not include the mans ability or inability to learn or the mans access to fish.
 
2014-01-07 03:33:31 PM  

Dr Dreidel: inclemency: Empathy is not a natural state.

I'm no evolutionary biologist/anthropologist, but I seem to recall some (fairly recent) research suggesting that it is natural among mammals.


I would love to see that research. Can you provide?
 
2014-01-07 03:34:13 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Depends how you define empathy. If you want to define empathy.

"showing compassion and concern for people."

That's not empathy.


Yeah but it is the usual product of empathy.

And also, there are many people who are conservative that I would no doubt have a lot of empathy...for people in their group.  I imagine many churchgoers empathize with other like-minded christians.  I also imagine that the sensational stories of home owners shooting invaders involve gun owners empathizing with the victims.

The problem is that they aren't empathizing with  other people.  People outside their social group or any type of minority (racial, sexual, economic).  And if you only empathize with a shrinking subset of humanity, that makes you an asshole.
 
2014-01-07 03:34:58 PM  
no1curr!
 
2014-01-07 03:36:57 PM  
It's really sad when it's 2014 and the American government is arguing over whether or not other human beings deserve basic necessities in order to live despite an inability to afford them.

Just think about that. After all of these wars America has fought and won (or stalemated), from the Revolutionary War up until the present... all of the people who have died for our country, who have died fighting for what they believe in -- both civilians and servicemembers. Families broken apart. Children growing up without their father or mother. Each of them swallowing their grief and recognizing their loved ones died making this country a better place.

And here we are in 2014 on the debate floor of congress and the most important topics of legislative policy is whether or not other human beings deserve access to food, water, and healthcare within our own country.
 
2014-01-07 03:40:17 PM  

Esc7: inclemency: Empathy is not a natural state. Our society is built on any act of altruism having some benefit to the doer. That said, republicans are a special breed of selfish... Off the charts. I hope there's no afterlife for these people. Nobody deserves to burn that hard.

/utilizing cognitive dissonance against the poor and ignorant is no way to go through life son.

You may think that.  It probably then makes your little clockwork model of our society make sense in your head.  But people do act altruistically without any expectation for benefits.  It doesn't make sense, it is not economically rational, but it happens.  Humans don't act rationally 100% of the time, thinking that our society is built off of rational self interest is a misconception.

Also you may not be giving empathy a fair shake.  Whether it is taught or inherent nearly everyone seems to get a small degree of empathy.  Even small children seem to care about other beings, especially tiny animals and even sometimes inanimate objects.  I don't know if it is instinctual or encoded in our genes, but it's so omnipresent I feel calling it unnatural is doing it a disservice.

But to the topic at hand, Conservative ideologies definitely appeal to people with less empathy.  Along with more fear this defines a right wing authoritarian.


Where the fark do you get off being such a condescending douchebag? Did you read what I said? We act in our own best interests mostly but not always maliciously. We maintain bonds with family, friends, et al and watch out for their interests, but I posit that we seek accolades (either internal or external) for these actions. In republican's cases the rare time any of their actions might benefit another it is for absolution of their massive guilt.

Let me guess, you're mother Theresa 2.0
 
2014-01-07 03:44:06 PM  

RedTank: Republican empathy revolves around teaching a man to fish.

Republican empathy does not include the mans ability or inability to learn or the mans access to fish.


Teaching a man to fish, then stealing all the fish for yourself before he even has a chance to even cast his line is hardly empathetic behavior.

Republicans only like to think they help people. In reality, they help people best by staying the fark away and not 'helping' at all.
 
2014-01-07 03:48:30 PM  

Dr Dreidel: I'm no evolutionary biologist/anthropologist, but I seem to recall some (fairly recent) research suggesting that it is natural among mammals.


If not all mammals, then certainly amongst tribal primates.

inclemency: We maintain bonds with family, friends, et al and watch out for their interests, but I posit that we seek accolades (either internal or external) for these actions.


So you're a Skinner rat guy, then? Nothing but stimulus/response?
 
2014-01-07 03:49:53 PM  

inclemency: Where the fark do you get off being such a condescending douchebag? Did you read what I said? We act in our own best interests mostly but not always maliciously. We maintain bonds with family, friends, et al and watch out for their interests, but I posit that we seek accolades (either internal or external) for these actions. In republican's cases the rare time any of their actions might benefit another it is for absolution of their massive guilt.

Let me guess, you're mother Theresa 2.0


My powered-habit is made from neosteel, I wield a chainruler and a have laser eyes (with a pair in the back)

You're right, I'm sorry for being condescending.
 
2014-01-07 03:53:26 PM  
Even Ric Romero thought that article was too obvious to be newsworthy.
 
2014-01-07 03:54:40 PM  

Sniffers Row: As well as the Democrats suffering from an "In touch with reality" gap


Yeah, those Democrats have their statisticals all skewed. Romney won! You know it, I know it, and Karl Rove knows it. Mittens knows it too, which is why he never prepared a concession speech.

More ways Democrats are out of touch with reality:

- They think some poor people have actually had a bad run of luck instead of just being bad people.

- They think some Muslims are harmless.

- They think the homogheys aren't working long and hard to thrust their agenda down our poor, innocent throats. We're just so helpless and they're so powerful... they're blindfolding America and binding our hands and forcing us to our knees... making us take it. Take it all. Grabbing our heads and shoving that agenda, shoving it, until all we can do is gag on the thought that our once-great nation has been violated by the queers. Soon the insides of the halls of power will be choking on their special rights, and all we as a nation can do is swallow what we've been given.
 
2014-01-07 03:56:22 PM  
The party of "I got mine" has trouble understanding that not everyone can "get theirs" so easily on their own.
 
2014-01-07 03:58:22 PM  

Damaniel: RedTank: Republican empathy revolves around teaching a man to fish.

Republican empathy does not include the mans ability or inability to learn or the mans access to fish.

Teaching a man to fish, then stealing all the fish for yourself before he even has a chance to even cast his line is hardly empathetic behavior.

Republicans only like to think they help people. In reality, they help people best by staying the fark away and not 'helping' at all.


Well, I don't think I would go quite that far but I will agree that their idea of empathy is paper thin and it ultimately revolves around social Darwinism.
 
2014-01-07 04:00:31 PM  

inclemency: Dr Dreidel: inclemency: Empathy is not a natural state.

I'm no evolutionary biologist/anthropologist, but I seem to recall some (fairly recent) research suggesting that it is natural among mammals.

I would love to see that research. Can you provide?


I'm trying to find links from semi-reputable (or at least reputable-sounding) sources. I didn't exhaustively read through anything; I think these articles also make that point.

http://newswise.com/articles/view/542456/ - Brain Scans Show Children Naturally Prone to Empathy
http://www.theemotionmachine.com/empathy-and-evolution
(PDF warning) http://animalcom.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/bradshaw-j-w-s-and-paul- e -s-empathy-for-animals.pdf

Actually, the thing I remembered that tidbit from is this FANTASTIC video. It's 10 minutes, but a pretty good look at the emotional history of Man.

Anyway, the idea that empathy predates humanity is one that I hope filters through the world relatively soon. I used to think empathy was our (animals') way of "overcoming" the evolutionary pressure to BREEDBREEDBREED (by supporting others' broods, we've discharged our procreative duties), but if it's been selected for before droopy earlobes, it needs no further explanation.
 
2014-01-07 04:08:46 PM  

theorellior: Dr Dreidel: I'm no evolutionary biologist/anthropologist, but I seem to recall some (fairly recent) research suggesting that it is natural among mammals.

If not all mammals, then certainly amongst tribal primates.

inclemency: We maintain bonds with family, friends, et al and watch out for their interests, but I posit that we seek accolades (either internal or external) for these actions.

So you're a Skinner rat guy, then? Nothing but stimulus/response?


I'm not quite sure what you're getting at, but to clarify I will say: I don't think people are inherently bad or republican-selfish... I just have come to the conclusion, through personal experience with myself and others, that no good deed goes unrewarded. Often it's internal self-congratulation, other times it's actively seeki.g praise.

I don't feel that dimishes the act, it's just how we're wired. (I think)

If you need to tell yourself that you're a completely altruistic person... Well go on with your bad self.
 
2014-01-07 04:09:08 PM  

inclemency: Empathy is not a natural state. Our society is built on any act of altruism having some benefit to the doer.


Well, yeah. Humans operate on doing things that are beneficial to themselves. Helping other people out just happens to give most of us a benefit of joy or happiness. Not something tangible, but nonetheless, something they gain for something they spend, be it time or money.

Not to say we should call altruistic people selfish at all, however, in fact, good behavior towards your fellow man should be encouraged, as it encourages good behavior towards others. IIRC, there was a long chain of people paying for the next person's coffee at a Starbucks. So not only did the person get their coffee, they likely gained joy or happiness from doing something they felt was good.
 
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