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(Talking Points Memo)   Sen John McCain says Obama "blew the whole thing" in Iraq, which, as we all well remember was a near-paradisaical model of Jeffersonian democracy in 2008 until Obama had to go and screw everything up   (talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 83
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2014-01-07 11:26:53 AM  
John "Oh please remember me for anything but my Failed Presidential run and in puting that bumblefark woman centerstage in politics" McCain
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-01-07 11:28:39 AM  
I'm sure he meant the gold mine military contractors.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-01-07 11:42:35 AM  

vpb: I'm sure he meant the gold for mine military contractors.

 
2014-01-07 11:49:57 AM  

Heliovdrake: John "Oh please remember me for anything but my Failed Presidential run and in puting that bumblefark woman centerstage in politics" McCain


I've been convinced for some time that Palin was the GOP's attempt to finally fark John McCain in an unrecoverable manner.  He wasn't exactly popular in the Party - they had been trying to do him in since the 2000 election and even before that.  But when he started getting some traction in the 2008 election, the GOP realized there was no way they would win - either they would field Romney or Huckabee and he would lose, or they would field McCain (who won in spite of them and had no loyalty to them) and he might win... but then the GOP would lose.

So they let him take it, and then required him to sell his soul to the Party to get the White House.  They had him by the nuts at that point, and they farked him up six ways from Sunday.  Starting with their choice of VP nominee.  His political career should have been completely ruined.

Instead, though, he's still there, still active in the Party, which speaks highly of his political abilities.  He has proved himself useful to them in the role of "has a reputation for straight talk, and still hates everything Obama stands for".  Unfortunately for them, at the expense of being cast as "dottering old fool" by the saner portions of the country.

I'd feel sorry for him if he hadn't been such a craven little shiat to get himself into that position.
 
2014-01-07 11:53:25 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: I've been convinced for some time that Palin was the GOP's attempt to finally fark John McCain in an unrecoverable manner.


I find it easier to believe that some staffer on the campaign thought anyone with a vagina would lure disaffected Hillary voters to their side... and then said staffer downed another fifth of Beam.
 
2014-01-07 11:54:36 AM  
And finally, new rule in two parts: (A) You can't call yourself a think tank if all your ideas are stupid; and (B) If you're someone from one of these think tanks that dreamed up the Iraq War and who predicted that we'd be greeted as liberators, and that we wouldn't need a lot of troops, and that Iraqi oil would pay for the war, that the WMD's would be found, that the looting wasn't problematic, that the mission was accomplished, that the insurgency was in its last throes, that things would get better after the people voted, after the government was formed, after we got Saddam, after we got his kids, after we got Zarqawi, and that whole bloody mess wouldn't turn into a civil war, you have to stop making predictions. -- Bill Maher
 
2014-01-07 12:00:10 PM  
God damn you to Hell, John McCain

/Vile Palin-picker
 
2014-01-07 12:02:41 PM  
historical footnote 2008 says what?
 
2014-01-07 12:47:19 PM  
How close were they to finding the WMD's before Obama screwed it up?
 
2014-01-07 12:50:18 PM  
The locals who were hired as translators got a raw deal at the withdrawal, from what I've heard. However, it's not clear from TFA which (if any) particular Iraqis he's talking about.
 
2014-01-07 01:08:33 PM  
Go yell at a cloud old man.
 
2014-01-07 01:11:08 PM  
Mission accomplished.
 
2014-01-07 01:17:28 PM  
You mean the guy who wanted to stay in Iraq a hundred years?
 
2014-01-07 01:19:28 PM  
My dad has PTSD from Vietnam.

My grandfather is a shell of a man from his B29 days out of India.

My 3rd great grandfather had his legs amputated in the Civil War.

My 6th great grandfather was Washington's message runner at Valley Forge and he was not given comfortable shoes.

Thanks Obama!

//those BTW are all true stories
 
2014-01-07 01:19:41 PM  
Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iraq?
 
2014-01-07 01:20:19 PM  
He's still alive?
 
2014-01-07 01:20:43 PM  

Fart_Machine: You mean the guy who wanted to stay in Iraq a hundred years?


Made it 1/5 of the way.
 
2014-01-07 01:21:20 PM  
I swear, it's if the bush years never existed for these people.  They have just repressed the entire decade. They ran all three branches of government.
 
2014-01-07 01:21:38 PM  
He indicated that the U.S. "had won with a great sacrifice," but the Obama administration "blew the whole thing."


People still think that there are winners & losers in war?
I think i'm on the wrong planet.
 
2014-01-07 01:23:25 PM  
And nary a cloud went unyelled at that day.
 
2014-01-07 01:25:11 PM  

Isitoveryet: He indicated that the U.S. "had won with a great sacrifice," but the Obama administration "blew the whole thing."


People still think that there are winners & losers in war?
I think i'm on the wrong planet.



Seriously.  The GOP apparently hasn't learned that unilateral warmongering is terrible foreign policy (you know, in addition to being unethical and immoral).
 
2014-01-07 01:26:41 PM  
Rising bloodshed in Iraq has Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) convinced that failure of the American military effort there now falls on President Obama's shoulders.

There *is* no American military effort in Iraq. We're done, out, gone, don't-give-a-fark about it any more. The failure was going there in the first place and that falls on the shoulders of people who were in office circa 2003... Senator McCain.
 
2014-01-07 01:27:10 PM  
This old man needs to retire.  He seems tired and needs a nap.
 
2014-01-07 01:27:57 PM  

Isitoveryet: He indicated that the U.S. "had won with a great sacrifice," but the Obama administration "blew the whole thing."


People still think that there are winners & losers in war?
I think i'm on the wrong planet.



Translation: "what part of 'mission accomplished' don't you understand?  Thanks, Obama."
 
2014-01-07 01:29:01 PM  
Jeffersonian democracy is great as long as you're the one with the keys to the slave quarters.
 
2014-01-07 01:30:19 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Benevolent Misanthrope: I've been convinced for some time that Palin was the GOP's attempt to finally fark John McCain in an unrecoverable manner.

I find it easier to believe that some staffer on the campaign thought anyone with a vagina would lure disaffected Hillary voters to their side... and then said staffer downed another fifth of Beam.


Yup. Hanlon's Razor is the clear winner here: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
 
2014-01-07 01:30:47 PM  
He does not believe a single farking word of the crap he spewed.
/Loathes the lack of integrity of the post-2000 (per)version of John McCain.
 
2014-01-07 01:31:26 PM  

Isitoveryet: He indicated that the U.S. "had won with a great sacrifice," but the Obama administration "blew the whole thing."


People still think that there are winners & losers in war?
I think i'm on the wrong planet.


I think he's still trying to claim we had won and we were just an occupying forcing helping them at that point. You know, the whole "you can walk the streets of Baghdad without any worries about violence" thing:

http://thinkprogress.org/default/2007/04/01/11556/mccain-iraq-stroll /

(although it is hard to argue that some areas of Baghdad are safer than some areas of Detriot, both back then and now.)
 
2014-01-07 01:33:21 PM  
But he's stopped short (so far) of saying "Lets go back and try again!" So what DOES he want, except to say Its Obama's fault?
 
2014-01-07 01:35:44 PM  
geezer McCain should go there and crash another jet or 2 and see if that helps.
 
2014-01-07 01:36:14 PM  

Gyrfalcon: But he's stopped short (so far) of saying "Lets go back and try again!" So what DOES he want, except to say Its Obama's fault?


I believe that is exactly what he's saying.

It doesn't matter that a) there is no solution offered to the problem at hand or b) there is nothing offered other than completely 100% incorrect assigned blame.

We are in the post-truth era, where truth is defined as a statement whose iterations of repetition are approaching infinity.
 
2014-01-07 01:38:49 PM  
Aw man and we were  this close to stabilizing the Middle East. Thanks a lot Fartrock Hellsein Otaxbo.
 
2014-01-07 01:40:06 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: God damn you to Hell, John McCain

/Vile Palin-picker


My new thrash-metal band name.
 
2014-01-07 01:42:38 PM  

abb3w: The locals who were hired as translators got a raw deal at the withdrawal, from what I've heard. However, it's not clear from TFA which (if any) particular Iraqis he's talking about.


McCain has never had a clear grasp of which furrin brown folk are which.

Are we just revising history, or does the GOP actually think going back for Part 3 is on the table?
 
2014-01-07 01:43:06 PM  
John McCain, with his Tard-Making triple Lutz in 2008, may have forever doomed us to the reality of the film Idiocracy.

John McCain's body should be frozen and thawed 500 years from now just so he can watch "Ass" forever and ever and ever.
 
2014-01-07 01:44:46 PM  

MFAWG: abb3w: The locals who were hired as translators got a raw deal at the withdrawal, from what I've heard. However, it's not clear from TFA which (if any) particular Iraqis he's talking about.

McCain has never had a clear grasp of which furrin brown folk are which.

Are we just revising history, or does the GOP actually think going back for Part 3 is on the table?


Time heals all wounds / erases all memories.

Our United States of Potato-Like Humans will be cool with it in approximately another 7 years I'm guessing.
 
2014-01-07 01:46:23 PM  
That is a country of retarded people that can not be governed, Saddam Hussein may have known what we are learning now.

I say fark em and feed em horseshiat.
 
2014-01-07 01:46:45 PM  
Can we please have a civil war in America?  Please?  We really need to just start killing each other and get this shiat on.  It's long over due, its needed and we really cant move in any direction as a nation until we get it over with.   I dont even care who wins at this point, we just need to kill one side or the other and be done with it.
 
2014-01-07 01:48:14 PM  

orclover: Can we please have a civil war in America?  Please?  We really need to just start killing each other and get this shiat on.  It's long over due, its needed and we really cant move in any direction as a nation until we get it over with.   I dont even care who wins at this point, we just need to kill one side or the other and be done with it.


It's obvious who will win.  The South.  Because they are sticking to their guns and bitterness and religion.

And because their guns could TOTALLY overthrow a tyrannical government.
 
2014-01-07 01:52:09 PM  

coeyagi: orclover: Can we please have a civil war in America?  Please?  We really need to just start killing each other and get this shiat on.  It's long over due, its needed and we really cant move in any direction as a nation until we get it over with.   I dont even care who wins at this point, we just need to kill one side or the other and be done with it.

It's obvious who will win.  The South.  Because they are sticking to their guns and bitterness and religion.

And because their guns could TOTALLY overthrow a tyrannical government.


And we don't mind cheating.
 
2014-01-07 01:52:45 PM  

coeyagi: My dad has PTSD from Vietnam.

My grandfather is a shell of a man from his B29 days out of India.

My 3rd great grandfather had his legs amputated in the Civil War.

My 6th great grandfather was Washington's message runner at Valley Forge and he was not given comfortable shoes.

Thanks Obama!

//those BTW are all true stories


Is that you Lieutenant Dan?
 
2014-01-07 01:53:02 PM  

mikeray: That is a country of retarded people that can not be governed, Saddam Hussein may have known what we are learning now.


That you can keep "peace" in Iraq by being more violent than either of the major religious factions?
Better a ruthless and bloody occupation than a long and costly victory over hearts and minds?

Yeah, I think "we" are finally learning that.

// I mean, GEN Shinseki knew it over a decade ago, and Cheney knew it in the late 90s...
// but HOW COULD WE HAVE KNOWN
 
2014-01-07 01:53:32 PM  

Walker: Go yell at a cloud old man.


He completely sided with the GOP in preparation for his 2010 run for re-election, then completely reversed - again - on lots of issues immediately after.  He also called  the repeal of Don't Ask Don't Tell a "very sad day" on the Senate Floor. (He had filibustered against the repeal.)   Stirred up all kinds of crap on Benghazi.  Called publicly for the US to get involved in the Syrian civil war, without regard for or any knowledge of the consequences.

Craven little shiats grow up to be dottering old fools.
 
2014-01-07 01:59:54 PM  
Go fark yourself, John McCain.


And I mean that with all due respect.
 
2014-01-07 02:08:07 PM  
The first mistake was to go in there in the first place. 

The second mistake was disbanding Iraq's military. WTF was that all about? You've already decided to do an evil thing and invade a country under false pretenses, go for the full monty and cut a deal with their military to maintain order and prevent the power vacuum. Peace is made in such ways. We let the Japanese keep their emperor after WWII because that war criminal promised to help us maintain order. Argentina, Chile, El Salvador...  they all transitioned from military dictatorships to civilian rule by making deals that granted immunity to the military. (I'm more familiar with Latin American transitions from military to civilian but this is true in other regions). It is not palatable... a lot of those farking human rights violators should have all been fed to the dogs, but if they think that's what will happen to them, they have no incentive to want peace. Farking republicans claim they understand how the real world works and that bleeding heart libs are stupid idealists. But here the republicans disbanded this army because of what? Did they just label it as "evil" and decided to be "good" by getting rid of it. That was probably the extent of their insightful analysis.

We could have kept everyone below the rank of say Colonel and worked our way through the higher ranks on a one by one basis to weed out the worst criminals and have some token trials and executions for the masses. Twenty years or so after the peace settlement when the ones that got away are no longer in a position to threaten peace, Iraq's government could have cancelled the deal and go after them too. Because fark them, that's why! A deal with those bastards isn't worth the piece of paper it is on. It is just a means to an end of achieving peace. El Salvador, Argentina and other countries that made the military to civilian rule transition started dismantling the immunity deals when they could and started slowly go after some of those farkers that got away. They won't get them all because some have died. Others destroyed files, moved overseas or bought other kinds of influence in the new regime but live in fear that their luck will run out.

Anything that could have been gained by the U.S. as a geo-political advantage from a post-war Iraq was lost on the day those idiots in the GWB administration agreed to disband Iraq's military.
 
2014-01-07 02:08:40 PM  

mrshowrules: coeyagi: My dad has PTSD from Vietnam.

My grandfather is a shell of a man from his B29 days out of India.

My 3rd great grandfather had his legs amputated in the Civil War.

My 6th great grandfather was Washington's message runner at Valley Forge and he was not given comfortable shoes.

Thanks Obama!

//those BTW are all true stories

Is that you Lieutenant Dan?



I am the first in a long time to avoid military service, though I served my country in a less revered, less destructive manner.
 
2014-01-07 02:12:04 PM  
Whoever we're going to blame here I just want to remind everyone that the Greatest Generation wrapped up a friggin' world war in five years.

/they really don't make them like that anymore.
 
2014-01-07 02:13:13 PM  
So the withdrawal date that was negotiated and agreed to by Bush and Co. in 2008 was a complete figment of my imagination? How drunk was I? I remember other things from that year. Maybe I just went on a bender one weekend and made it all up? I hope that cute boy with the motorcycle was real. I had a lot of fun with him.
 
2014-01-07 02:16:57 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: He does not believe a single farking word of the crap he spewed.
/Loathes the lack of integrity of the post-2000 (per)version of John McCain.


He never had any integrity to begin with, he just had better PR back then.  Look up the Keating Five.
 
2014-01-07 02:19:43 PM  

edmo: Whoever we're going to blame here I just want to remind everyone that the Greatest Generation wrapped up a friggin' world war in five years.

/they really don't make them like that anymore.


They also don't wage war like that anymore, either. Committing to Total War, both in domestic mobilization and utter disregard for destruction of civilian populations, helps shrink the timeframe a skosh.
 
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