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(WESH Orlando)   Manager fired for breaking Walmart policy that says something like "don't try to stop a beer theft suspect by jumping in his truck and going on a 90 mph ride for 15 miles while throwing beer cans into the road"   (wesh.com) divider line 71
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2014-01-07 01:02:44 PM  
The reason so many of these small businesses fire employees for trying to stop robbers is because they're afraid of being indicted guilty on tort reform and forced to pay several settlements.
 
2014-01-07 01:26:09 PM  
You need to leave that kind of thing to the professionals.

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2014-01-07 01:29:41 PM  

Sybarite: You need to leave that kind of thing to the professionals.

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That toupee is a duly authorized officer of the law, man!
 
2014-01-07 02:12:28 PM  
He deserved to get fired.
 
2014-01-07 02:12:42 PM  
The Polar Vortex strikes again!  When will this madness end?
 
2014-01-07 02:13:36 PM  
Sounds like an inside job.

/DNRTFA
 
2014-01-07 02:14:39 PM  
Any employee who tries to be a white knight against shoplifters is a damned fool.
 
2014-01-07 02:15:59 PM  
FTA: Eventually, Dawson was able to get the attention of another driver, who pointed a gun at Long. Long slowed down and Dawson was able to escape.
 
2014-01-07 02:16:22 PM  

CoonAce: Any employee who tries to be a white knight against shoplifters is a damned fool.


Yeah, and we see these articles all the time.  What would be really newsworthy is someone getting fired for not trying to stop a theft.
 
2014-01-07 02:17:07 PM  

StubhyGraham: FTA: Eventually, Dawson was able to get the attention of another driver, who pointed a gun at Long. Long slowed down and Dawson was able to escape.


This was my favorite part.
 
2014-01-07 02:17:14 PM  
Nothing they sell at Wal-Mart is worth risking your life over, you stupid fark.
 
2014-01-07 02:17:58 PM  

Diogenes: CoonAce: Any employee who tries to be a white knight against shoplifters is a damned fool.

Yeah, and we see these articles all the time.  What would be really newsworthy is someone getting fired for not trying to stop a theft.


At my job I cannot call 911 without permission from our area loss prevention manager. So if someone has a heart attack I could be fired if I don't call him first.
 
2014-01-07 02:17:59 PM  
LET's have a party there's a full moon in the sky, it's the hour of the wolf and don't wanna die...*saxophone*
 
2014-01-07 02:18:16 PM  
Relative of Lootie
 
2014-01-07 02:19:12 PM  

StubhyGraham: FTA: Eventually, Dawson was able to get the attention of another driver, who pointed a gun at Long. Long slowed down and Dawson was able to escape.


thank goodness they weren't driving on school property.
 
2014-01-07 02:19:20 PM  

soupafi: Diogenes: CoonAce: Any employee who tries to be a white knight against shoplifters is a damned fool.

Yeah, and we see these articles all the time.  What would be really newsworthy is someone getting fired for not trying to stop a theft.

At my job I cannot call 911 without permission from our area loss prevention manager. So if someone has a heart attack I could be fired if I don't call him first.


Yeah.  We have to call the building manager.  We're actually blocked from calling 911 inside the building unless you use your cell.
 
2014-01-07 02:23:16 PM  

Diogenes: soupafi: Diogenes: CoonAce: Any employee who tries to be a white knight against shoplifters is a damned fool.

Yeah, and we see these articles all the time.  What would be really newsworthy is someone getting fired for not trying to stop a theft.

At my job I cannot call 911 without permission from our area loss prevention manager. So if someone has a heart attack I could be fired if I don't call him first.

Yeah.  We have to call the building manager.  We're actually blocked from calling 911 inside the building unless you use your cell.


I want to be surprised this isn't highly illegal, but I'm not. Sigh.
 
2014-01-07 02:24:06 PM  
Forget about it Jake.  It's Walmart.
 
2014-01-07 02:26:46 PM  
The thief was stealing a case of this:
www.artzberger.com

And a REAL 'MURICAN (TM) stepped in to stop him...
 
2014-01-07 02:27:08 PM  

Pichu0102: Diogenes: soupafi: Diogenes: CoonAce: Any employee who tries to be a white knight against shoplifters is a damned fool.

Yeah, and we see these articles all the time.  What would be really newsworthy is someone getting fired for not trying to stop a theft.

At my job I cannot call 911 without permission from our area loss prevention manager. So if someone has a heart attack I could be fired if I don't call him first.

Yeah.  We have to call the building manager.  We're actually blocked from calling 911 inside the building unless you use your cell.

I want to be surprised this isn't highly illegal, but I'm not. Sigh.


Secure facility.

You never know when someone disguised as an EMT might sneak in and steal the secrets to how we deliberately and routinely fark our customers over.
 
2014-01-07 02:27:31 PM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Nothing they sell at Wal-Mart is worth risking your life over, you stupid fark.


Nothing.
This bears repeating.
Let loss prevention take that call.
You just stock shelves and collect your sad little check.
They aren't paying you to be a hero.
 
2014-01-07 02:28:21 PM  

Pichu0102: Diogenes: soupafi: Diogenes: CoonAce: Any employee who tries to be a white knight against shoplifters is a damned fool.

Yeah, and we see these articles all the time.  What would be really newsworthy is someone getting fired for not trying to stop a theft.

At my job I cannot call 911 without permission from our area loss prevention manager. So if someone has a heart attack I could be fired if I don't call him first.

Yeah.  We have to call the building manager.  We're actually blocked from calling 911 inside the building unless you use your cell.

I want to be surprised this isn't highly illegal, but I'm not. Sigh.


We had to have a customer call 911 from their cellphone when a car was ON FIRE in the parking lot because we couldn't get authorization to call 911. Makes me wonder if we get robbed and someone gets shot if we have to wait. If that's the case I think that's a lawsuit.
 
2014-01-07 02:35:14 PM  
Not that i am a fan of Wal-mart by any means but what this guy did was monumentally stupid. He SHOULD lose his job because his judgement is flat out awful.
 
2014-01-07 02:37:39 PM  

Delawheredad: Not that i am a fan of Wal-mart by any means but what this guy did was monumentally stupid. He SHOULD lose his job because his judgement is flat out awful.


I don't see why remedial employee "DON'T DO THAT" training wouldn't be sufficient.
 
2014-01-07 02:50:06 PM  
Gee Brevard County. Who'd have thought?
 
2014-01-07 02:56:46 PM  
Diogenes

  Guys like this doofus tend to be the civilian Rambo types. He didn't just chase someone into the parking lot in hopes of getting a license number, he tried to be Jon McClane! Stupidity like that is apt to be repeated and should be punished.
 
2014-01-07 02:58:06 PM  

Delawheredad: Diogenes

  Guys like this doofus tend to be the civilian Rambo types. He didn't just chase someone into the parking lot in hopes of getting a license number, he tried to be Jon McClane! Stupidity like that is apt to be repeated and should be punished.


He will have a hard time finding a job. I wouldn't hire him. He's a liability risk.
 
2014-01-07 02:59:00 PM  

vudukungfu: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Nothing they sell at Wal-Mart is worth risking your life over, you stupid fark.

Nothing.
This bears repeating.
Let loss prevention take that call.
You just stock shelves and collect your sad little check.
They aren't paying you to be a hero.


believe me, they aren't paying LP to be a hero either & they'd be shiat canned as quick as the cashier for doing much more than stopping the bad guy (attempting to stop them anyway - no contact allowed of course) and once they drive / run / walk at a brisk pace away, LP is just supposed to wave 'bye bye' and write a report.
 
2014-01-07 03:02:39 PM  
I saw someone walk into my store, grab a Dyson vacuum off the shelf and walk right out the door. The alarm went off and I asked (following policy) "sir, may I see your receipt please?" He said "no" and kept walking. I said then "have a nice day sir". Couldn't call the cops. Couldn't do nothing.
 
2014-01-07 03:02:44 PM  
Let them have it. It is not worth getting hurt over.  He should be fired.
 
2014-01-07 03:03:09 PM  

Diogenes: Delawheredad: Not that i am a fan of Wal-mart by any means but what this guy did was monumentally stupid. He SHOULD lose his job because his judgement is flat out awful.

I don't see why remedial employee "DON'T DO THAT" training wouldn't be sufficient.


Because he had already been trained and recently passed three tests with flying colors. He knew the policy.
He exhibited poor judgement and impulse control. Those can't be "retrained" - they are character defects.
 
2014-01-07 03:03:28 PM  

Diogenes: CoonAce: Any employee who tries to be a white knight against shoplifters is a damned fool.

Yeah, and we see these articles all the time.  What would be really newsworthy is someone getting fired for not trying to stop a theft.


A local Dick's had a problem with an employee going a little bit  too much in the opposite direction.
 
2014-01-07 03:03:36 PM  

soupafi: Delawheredad: Diogenes

  Guys like this doofus tend to be the civilian Rambo types. He didn't just chase someone into the parking lot in hopes of getting a license number, he tried to be Jon McClane! Stupidity like that is apt to be repeated and should be punished.

He will have a hard time finding a job. I wouldn't hire him. He's a liability risk.


I guess we can infer from the lengths that he went to that he's a little on the nuts side. Generally speaking, I wouldn't tend toward firing my employees for reacting on instinct.  But I'll grant you this guy went far and beyond just instinct.
 
2014-01-07 03:06:48 PM  

soupafi: I saw someone walk into my store, grab a Dyson vacuum off the shelf and walk right out the door. The alarm went off and I asked (following policy) "sir, may I see your receipt please?" He said "no" and kept walking. I said then "have a nice day sir". Couldn't call the cops. Couldn't do nothing.


I never stopped a shoplifter.

But I did catch a lady deliberately spilling water in a supermarket lane (after conspicuously looking around and still somehow not noticing me), and then sitting in it.  Then she started screaming "Oh my god!  My leg!"

It was quite a performance.
 
2014-01-07 03:09:55 PM  
And if it turned out the accused shoplifter was completely innocent... what then?
You guys would be screaming for the manager's head because a store manager is not law enforcement, just like a "neighborhood watch" is not law enforcement.
 
2014-01-07 03:12:58 PM  
I say that is an awesome enough story to be worth getting fired from a crappy job for.
 
2014-01-07 03:13:18 PM  

soupafi: I saw someone walk into my store, grab a Dyson vacuum off the shelf and walk right out the door. The alarm went off and I asked (following policy) "sir, may I see your receipt please?" He said "no" and kept walking. I said then "have a nice day sir". Couldn't call the cops. Couldn't do nothing.


Smart.  Hopefully not a return customer.
 
2014-01-07 03:16:17 PM  
"Was that wrong? Should I have not done that? I tell you I gotta plead ignorance on this thing because if anyone had said anything to me at all when I first started here that that sort of thing was frowned upon, you know, cause I've worked in a lot of Walmarts and I tell you people do that all the time."
 
2014-01-07 03:21:23 PM  

sigdiamond2000: The reason so many of these small businesses fire employees for trying to stop robbers is because they're afraid of being indicted guilty on tort reform and forced to pay several settlements.


Yes, walmart the epitome of 'small businesses'.


But yes they are worried about lawsuits all the way around.  Going after thieves is retarded and dangerous.   This guy could have easily lost his life over 100$ in beer that represents probably .000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000001% of their gross daily sales.  It's like jumping down on to the tracks with a train bearing down because you dropped a tic-tac.
 
2014-01-07 03:30:06 PM  
In high school, a friend of my dad's said he could hook me up as a "loss prevention specialist" at a Big 5 sporting goods store, as a summer gig.  I thought that because I was a pretty darn good little runner on the track and cross country teams (well, good for a suburban white kid), that I would be sitting by the door, and if anybody tried to make a break with some new Jordans or some other merchandise, that I would use my super sonic speed to chase them down and catch them, and my 135-lb frame to do....something, probably get pummeled into oblivion.

My dreams of being the sporting goods vigilante hero were dashed when I finally learned what it was the loss prevention team did, and what I would be doing.

Instead, I got a job at Baskin Robbins and spent the next 13 months before college making polar pizzas and eating more ice cream than I served.

I regret everything,
 
2014-01-07 03:57:21 PM  

soupafi: I saw someone walk into my store, grab a Dyson vacuum off the shelf and walk right out the door. The alarm went off and I asked (following policy) "sir, may I see your receipt please?" He said "no" and kept walking. I said then "have a nice day sir". Couldn't call the cops. Couldn't do nothing.


What is the rationale for that policy?
 
2014-01-07 04:00:17 PM  
Big stores have HD surveillance cameras pointed in every corner of their property.. All the LP need to do is review the footage from the tapes to get the license number and/or vehicle description that the perps get into.

Report it to the cops and let them do their job.

No need to be a hero
 
2014-01-07 04:17:36 PM  
What in the world makes people risk their lives for replaceable stuff? Not to mention replaceable stuff that belongs to someone else to begin with.
 
2014-01-07 04:20:15 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: soupafi: I saw someone walk into my store, grab a Dyson vacuum off the shelf and walk right out the door. The alarm went off and I asked (following policy) "sir, may I see your receipt please?" He said "no" and kept walking. I said then "have a nice day sir". Couldn't call the cops. Couldn't do nothing.

What is the rationale for that policy?


It costs $1 - $10,000 to let the guy walk with a cart full of shiat from your store.

It costs a lot more than that to do anything where lawyers get involved, which would include most any form of confronting the guy.

Also, after your first employee gets injured or killed, there is both a steep escalation of costs, AND a lawyer feeding frenzy from all sides.

A business that is trying to make money will never try to actually stop people from stealing their shiat.
 
2014-01-07 04:22:48 PM  

soupafi: I saw someone walk into my store, grab a Dyson vacuum off the shelf and walk right out the door. The alarm went off and I asked (following policy) "sir, may I see your receipt please?" He said "no" and kept walking. I said then "have a nice day sir". Couldn't call the cops. Couldn't do nothing.


And with stupid 'do nothing' policies, I am honestly shocked that there aren't more thefts like that. The only thing the thief has to worry about is the one in a million chance there's a cop walking in as he is walking out. And even that risk can be reduced to near zero with a little observation and preparation.

/maybe people aren't as bad as I think
// nah- people are just too stupid to realize the opportunity
 
2014-01-07 04:26:02 PM  

Day_Old_Dutchie: Big stores have HD surveillance cameras pointed in every corner of their property.. All the LP need to do is review the footage from the tapes to get the license number and/or vehicle description that the perps get into.

Report it to the cops and let them do their job.

No need to be a hero


Any thief with two brain cells to rub together will know that and take precautions- pulled down hat, fake plates, etc.
Heck, get set up, and hit like, 20 places in a single day, and you are set for a while.
 
2014-01-07 04:26:04 PM  
I think we all saw this coming fromthe moment the story hit the net.
 
2014-01-07 04:31:45 PM  
Speef- it may only cost a little to let one shoplifter go. But how much does it cost to let all the other shoplifters go after your store becomes known as an easy target??

Tackle a shoplifter and beat them senseless, you may (may) need to pay a $1,000,000 lawsuit. But no one else will ever steal from you again.
 
2014-01-07 04:33:50 PM  
OK - let's break this down

Dawson said he went outside to take down Long's license plate number, but he thought Long was going to back over him, so he jumped into the back of the truck.

"When I realized how close I was, I jumped in the back so they didn't run me over," he said.


1) OK he goes to get the license plate - I can deal with that

2) He thought they were going to run over him so he jumped into the back of the truck - looking at him, not sure how much jumping he does, but OK

3) If he was nimble enough to jump in, why not jump out when he reversed direction

4) Seriously 15 miles and the truck never hit a light so he can jump out?  What did they go right to the interstate?

I would have fired the guy for a stupid story
 
2014-01-07 04:39:42 PM  

fredklein: soupafi: I saw someone walk into my store, grab a Dyson vacuum off the shelf and walk right out the door. The alarm went off and I asked (following policy) "sir, may I see your receipt please?" He said "no" and kept walking. I said then "have a nice day sir". Couldn't call the cops. Couldn't do nothing.

And with stupid 'do nothing' policies, I am honestly shocked that there aren't more thefts like that. The only thing the thief has to worry about is the one in a million chance there's a cop walking in as he is walking out. And even that risk can be reduced to near zero with a little observation and preparation.


I don't always (well, never) buy my beer at Wal-Mart but when I do, I'm not going to buy it.....hell it's just about free with a little observation and preparation!
 
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