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(TMZ)   Four men break into a professional MMA fighter's house, only three leave   (tmz.com) divider line 64
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2014-01-07 02:21:37 PM  

Farce-Side: slayer199: machoprogrammer: Hell, look at Roger Huerta vs that Texas Longhorns player

 I was going to mention that...and Huerta wasn't the aggressor initially.  The player cold-cocked a woman and knocked her out...Huerta intervened and the big football player got his ass handed to him.

Hell, Ronda Rousey would take out most untrained men.

I'd submit if she got me in a leg lock.


Too bad, she only does armbars...
 
2014-01-07 02:24:16 PM  

machoprogrammer: Smeggy Smurf: machoprogrammer: "FYI -- Torrez is a 155-pound lightweight fighter with a record of one win and five losses."

Sounds like the four men weren't too good at fighting

Most people aren't.  Just a little bit of training means you can whip most assholes out there easily

Oh, no doubt, but anyone can be a "pro fighter". Just call up your local promotion and sign up. There are people that are pro fighters with no formal training (and they almost always get beat like a government mule).

But a UFC-level fighter (or even the upper ends of the local pros) would easily destroy an untrained person twice their size. Hell, look at Roger Huerta vs that Texas Longhorns player


Well the primary reason for weight classes in fight sports isnt that a smaller fighter cant win against a larger fighter its that a smaller fighter is far more likely to suffer serious traumatic brain injury or death fighting a larger fighter than fighting someone thier own size.
 
2014-01-07 02:59:03 PM  
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2014-01-07 03:18:46 PM  

Oldiron_79: machoprogrammer: Smeggy Smurf: machoprogrammer: "FYI -- Torrez is a 155-pound lightweight fighter with a record of one win and five losses."

Sounds like the four men weren't too good at fighting

Most people aren't.  Just a little bit of training means you can whip most assholes out there easily

Oh, no doubt, but anyone can be a "pro fighter". Just call up your local promotion and sign up. There are people that are pro fighters with no formal training (and they almost always get beat like a government mule).

But a UFC-level fighter (or even the upper ends of the local pros) would easily destroy an untrained person twice their size. Hell, look at Roger Huerta vs that Texas Longhorns player

Well the primary reason for weight classes in fight sports isnt that a smaller fighter cant win against a larger fighter its that a smaller fighter is far more likely to suffer serious traumatic brain injury or death fighting a larger fighter than fighting someone thier own size.


Actually, brain injury prevention has little to do with your size so much as the guy hitting you. A 230 lb man hitting a 230 lb man or a 140 lb man, it doesn't really matter. More muscle doesn't mean you get knocked out easier. On limbs, I agree, but some people just have better jaws than other people.

And I think weight classes were also added for more titles (which means more pay per views which means more profit), since Gracie had little trouble beating guys much bigger than him
 
2014-01-07 03:48:20 PM  

machoprogrammer: Oldiron_79: machoprogrammer: Smeggy Smurf: machoprogrammer: "FYI -- Torrez is a 155-pound lightweight fighter with a record of one win and five losses."

Sounds like the four men weren't too good at fighting

Most people aren't.  Just a little bit of training means you can whip most assholes out there easily

Oh, no doubt, but anyone can be a "pro fighter". Just call up your local promotion and sign up. There are people that are pro fighters with no formal training (and they almost always get beat like a government mule).

But a UFC-level fighter (or even the upper ends of the local pros) would easily destroy an untrained person twice their size. Hell, look at Roger Huerta vs that Texas Longhorns player

Well the primary reason for weight classes in fight sports isnt that a smaller fighter cant win against a larger fighter its that a smaller fighter is far more likely to suffer serious traumatic brain injury or death fighting a larger fighter than fighting someone thier own size.

Actually, brain injury prevention has little to do with your size so much as the guy hitting you. A 230 lb man hitting a 230 lb man or a 140 lb man, it doesn't really matter. More muscle doesn't mean you get knocked out easier. On limbs, I agree, but some people just have better jaws than other people.

And I think weight classes were also added for more titles (which means more pay per views which means more profit), since Gracie had little trouble beating guys much bigger than him


Well before weight classes became the norm in all sanctioning bodies and cross weight class matches where common like in the 1800s thru like 1920s when a smaller fighter would face a much larger fighter like a welterweight vs a heavyweight they suffered career ending brain injuries and death at much higher rates than when 2 similar sized fighters fought.

Im not sure the exact mechanics of why but it is so. Perhaps the small fighter arent as well disciplined at rolling with the punches since thier usual opponents dont have the same kind of KO power I dont know.
 
2014-01-07 03:55:06 PM  

machoprogrammer: slayer199: machoprogrammer: Hell, look at Roger Huerta vs that Texas Longhorns player

 I was going to mention that...and Huerta wasn't the aggressor initially.  The player cold-cocked a woman and knocked her out...Huerta intervened and the big football player got his ass handed to him.

Hell, Ronda Rousey would take out most untrained men.

Agreed. Brian Urlacher almost picked a fight with Bas Rutten, until he found out who the guy he was trying to pick a fight with was, then apologized lol. I would hate to see what Cain Velasquez would do to a home invader


I love that story
 
2014-01-07 04:02:29 PM  

kobrakai: machoprogrammer: slayer199: machoprogrammer: Hell, look at Roger Huerta vs that Texas Longhorns player

 I was going to mention that...and Huerta wasn't the aggressor initially.  The player cold-cocked a woman and knocked her out...Huerta intervened and the big football player got his ass handed to him.

Hell, Ronda Rousey would take out most untrained men.

Agreed. Brian Urlacher almost picked a fight with Bas Rutten, until he found out who the guy he was trying to pick a fight with was, then apologized lol. I would hate to see what Cain Velasquez would do to a home invader

I love that story


Me too. Would be awesome to be able to laugh and say "YES!" when a 6'4 250 lb linebacker asks you to go outside. Urlacher must've been confused and scared at that point; Bas would've had him unconscious (if Urlacher was lucky) in about 10 seconds, too
 
2014-01-07 04:03:13 PM  

machoprogrammer: Oldiron_79: machoprogrammer: Smeggy Smurf: machoprogrammer: "FYI -- Torrez is a 155-pound lightweight fighter with a record of one win and five losses."

Sounds like the four men weren't too good at fighting

Most people aren't.  Just a little bit of training means you can whip most assholes out there easily

Oh, no doubt, but anyone can be a "pro fighter". Just call up your local promotion and sign up. There are people that are pro fighters with no formal training (and they almost always get beat like a government mule).

But a UFC-level fighter (or even the upper ends of the local pros) would easily destroy an untrained person twice their size. Hell, look at Roger Huerta vs that Texas Longhorns player

Well the primary reason for weight classes in fight sports isnt that a smaller fighter cant win against a larger fighter its that a smaller fighter is far more likely to suffer serious traumatic brain injury or death fighting a larger fighter than fighting someone thier own size.

Actually, brain injury prevention has little to do with your size so much as the guy hitting you. A 230 lb man hitting a 230 lb man or a 140 lb man, it doesn't really matter. More muscle doesn't mean you get knocked out easier. On limbs, I agree, but some people just have better jaws than other people.

And I think weight classes were also added for more titles (which means more pay per views which means more profit), since Gracie had little trouble beating guys much bigger than him


Comparing 1993 UFC to 2013 UFC is like comparing 1933 NFL to 2013 NFL.
 
2014-01-07 04:35:31 PM  

machoprogrammer: kobrakai: machoprogrammer: slayer199: machoprogrammer: Hell, look at Roger Huerta vs that Texas Longhorns player

 I was going to mention that...and Huerta wasn't the aggressor initially.  The player cold-cocked a woman and knocked her out...Huerta intervened and the big football player got his ass handed to him.

Hell, Ronda Rousey would take out most untrained men.

Agreed. Brian Urlacher almost picked a fight with Bas Rutten, until he found out who the guy he was trying to pick a fight with was, then apologized lol. I would hate to see what Cain Velasquez would do to a home invader

I love that story

Me too. Would be awesome to be able to laugh and say "YES!" when a 6'4 250 lb linebacker asks you to go outside. Urlacher must've been confused and scared at that point; Bas would've had him unconscious (if Urlacher was lucky) in about 10 seconds, too


Well I wrestled and boxed a little as a younger man but have no wheres near the training of a full on UFC fighter and am about 75 lbs over my fighting weight(I sound fat) and It took me less than 20 seconds to take down and choke out a college linebacker that picked a fight with me in a parking lot, so yeah NFL linebacker vs UFC fighter would probably not make it any longer.
 
2014-01-07 04:46:27 PM  

Oldiron_79: machoprogrammer: kobrakai: machoprogrammer: slayer199: machoprogrammer: Hell, look at Roger Huerta vs that Texas Longhorns player

 I was going to mention that...and Huerta wasn't the aggressor initially.  The player cold-cocked a woman and knocked her out...Huerta intervened and the big football player got his ass handed to him.

Hell, Ronda Rousey would take out most untrained men.

Agreed. Brian Urlacher almost picked a fight with Bas Rutten, until he found out who the guy he was trying to pick a fight with was, then apologized lol. I would hate to see what Cain Velasquez would do to a home invader

I love that story

Me too. Would be awesome to be able to laugh and say "YES!" when a 6'4 250 lb linebacker asks you to go outside. Urlacher must've been confused and scared at that point; Bas would've had him unconscious (if Urlacher was lucky) in about 10 seconds, too

Well I wrestled and boxed a little as a younger man but have no wheres near the training of a full on UFC fighter and am about 75 lbs over my fighting weight(I sound fat) and It took me less than 20 seconds to take down and choke out a college linebacker that picked a fight with me in a parking lot, so yeah NFL linebacker vs UFC fighter would probably not make it any longer.


Also add in that Bas was a very good MMA fighter (UFC HW Champ) and a streetfighting legend, it would've gone very, very, very badly for Urlacher.

I would imagine even Jose Aldo or Barao would destroy a NFL linebacker.
 
2014-01-07 06:34:41 PM  
On the one hand, he's probably going to prison - multiple stab wounds and head trauma implies that he did far more than needed for self-defense. On the other hand, as the saying goes, it's better to be judged by twelve than buried by six.
 
2014-01-07 06:57:05 PM  

FormlessOne: On the one hand, he's probably going to prison - multiple stab wounds and head trauma implies that he did far more than needed for self-defense. On the other hand, as the saying goes, it's better to be judged by twelve than buried by six.


Probably not in most states multiple attackers is considered the same as a deadly weapon, so basically multiple attackers means legally its the same difference as if they pulled a gun on him.....
 
2014-01-07 08:17:21 PM  

FormlessOne: On the one hand, he's probably going to prison - multiple stab wounds and head trauma implies that he did far more than needed for self-defense. On the other hand, as the saying goes, it's better to be judged by twelve than buried by six.


Given the numbers against him...4 against one and the fact that one of them was armed with a knife...I don't think they'll even charge him.
 
2014-01-08 03:17:48 AM  

machoprogrammer: Oldiron_79: machoprogrammer: Smeggy Smurf: machoprogrammer: "FYI -- Torrez is a 155-pound lightweight fighter with a record of one win and five losses."

Sounds like the four men weren't too good at fighting

Most people aren't.  Just a little bit of training means you can whip most assholes out there easily

Oh, no doubt, but anyone can be a "pro fighter". Just call up your local promotion and sign up. There are people that are pro fighters with no formal training (and they almost always get beat like a government mule).

But a UFC-level fighter (or even the upper ends of the local pros) would easily destroy an untrained person twice their size. Hell, look at Roger Huerta vs that Texas Longhorns player

Well the primary reason for weight classes in fight sports isnt that a smaller fighter cant win against a larger fighter its that a smaller fighter is far more likely to suffer serious traumatic brain injury or death fighting a larger fighter than fighting someone thier own size.

Actually, brain injury prevention has little to do with your size so much as the guy hitting you. A 230 lb man hitting a 230 lb man or a 140 lb man, it doesn't really matter. More muscle doesn't mean you get knocked out easier. On limbs, I agree, but some people just have better jaws than other people.

And I think weight classes were also added for more titles (which means more pay per views which means more profit), since Gracie had little trouble beating guys much bigger than him


Also, because If equal in skill and training, the bigger/stronger guy always wins. It's an advantage.

So, you have weight classes to try to reduce the natural size/strength advantage and make the fight more about skill than natural physicality.

Sure, the little guy can beat the big guy if the little guy has a lot more skill. But Gracie fighting someone with his exact skill level, but with 30 more pounds of muscle, is going to get his ass beat.
 
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