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(Philly.com)   Now that DeSean Jackson has a firm grasp of the concept of a goal line, he might need some more money, because he's that much more valuable   (philly.com) divider line 27
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2014-01-07 10:23:43 AM  
This is such a non-issue being blown up by the media.

He was asked a question and answered it.

I isn't asking for more money, he's asking for more guaranteed money.
 
2014-01-07 10:35:33 AM  
Iggles are in a good position here. Maclin comes back for next season, Cooper has broken out, and Avant is a solid #3. I like DJ, but if he wants out, let him go and get somebody to improve the secondary.
 
2014-01-07 10:52:07 AM  

MugzyBrown: I isn't asking for more money, he's asking for more guaranteed money.


Exactly. And with the numbers he put up this season, that's fine. Simply modify the contract to guarantee a larger percentage of what he's scheduled to get in 2014.
 
2014-01-07 10:52:09 AM  
Me and an my eagles fan friend have debated for like four years now about who was the better draft pick, desean or jordy. We're kind of at a stalemate
 
2014-01-07 11:13:02 AM  
I'd love to see him traded for a good Safety. He's got talent but I've never liked his attitude and he's not a receiver that can out muscle a highschool CB.
 
2014-01-07 11:27:39 AM  

Ty Webb: Iggles are in a good position here. Maclin comes back for next season, Cooper has broken out, and Avant is a solid #3. I like DJ, but if he wants out, let him go and get somebody to improve the secondary.


I think Desean is actually in the better position here.  Do the Eagles really want to rely on Maclin coming back from an injury and Cooper who, despite a decent year, is still probably only a #3 at best?

Jackson plays into that offense nicely.  He'll never be the big time receiver that out muscles the DBs, but he's a big play/scoring threat.  And if they can pair him up with someone on the other side who is bigger and stronger then that would only improve their passing attack.
 
2014-01-07 12:00:26 PM  

Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: Ty Webb: Iggles are in a good position here. Maclin comes back for next season, Cooper has broken out, and Avant is a solid #3. I like DJ, but if he wants out, let him go and get somebody to improve the secondary.

I think Desean is actually in the better position here.  Do the Eagles really want to rely on Maclin coming back from an injury and Cooper who, despite a decent year, is still probably only a #3 at best?

Jackson plays into that offense nicely.  He'll never be the big time receiver that out muscles the DBs, but he's a big play/scoring threat.  And if they can pair him up with someone on the other side who is bigger and stronger then that would only improve their passing attack.


Financial holdouts by players have been severely neutered under the new CBA. Start missing time in training camp and you start to lose out on a lot of money. If it's strictly a financial concern rather than a contract length thing, Desean has little leverage.

Let Maclin go and spend the money at safety and the D-line. They need a nose tackle that can actually generate push. While I liked what I saw from Logan, he would actually be better as one of the ends, rather than up the middle.

A big WR that can straight up mug a corner on a few screens and sweep plays would be nice too.
 
2014-01-07 12:36:14 PM  

Ty Webb: Iggles are in a good position here. Maclin comes back for next season, Cooper has broken out, and Avant is a solid #3. I like DJ, but if he wants out, let him go and get somebody to improve the secondary.


Wow. If you don't want him 31 other teams will take him in a heartbeat. He is a threat to score anytime he touches the ball. Your offense would miss him badly
 
2014-01-07 12:44:12 PM  

HaywoodJablonski: Ty Webb: Iggles are in a good position here. Maclin comes back for next season, Cooper has broken out, and Avant is a solid #3. I like DJ, but if he wants out, let him go and get somebody to improve the secondary.

Wow. If you don't want him 31 other teams will take him in a heartbeat. He is a threat to score anytime he touches the ball. Your offense would miss him badly


You two are missing one part, the Eagles have him under contract. This has been tried before in Philly and mgmt frowns on it and has shown a tendency to make the player's life very difficult if they won't abide by the terms they signed up for.
 
2014-01-07 12:46:01 PM  
The Eagles could be in a great position, but it could also collapse on them in a hurry:

1) DeSean could actually be happy with his current deal, or he could want some sort of modification that the Eagles are OK with. On the flip side, he may want to completely rework his deal, which could lead to a holdout and/or a trade demand.

2) Maclin could come back from his injury and be the same player he used to be. On the flip side, he may not be the same player, or he could leave in free agency.

3) Riley Cooper may get a deal befitting his breakout season. On the flip side, he could leave in free agency.

Best case, all three stick around, are healthy, and with Jason Avant give the Eagles a talented and dangerous receiving corps. Worst case, Jason Avant is standing in the locker room wondering where the hell everybody else went.
 
2014-01-07 12:56:36 PM  

Cybernetic: The Eagles could be in a great position, but it could also collapse on them in a hurry:

1) DeSean could actually be happy with his current deal, or he could want some sort of modification that the Eagles are OK with. On the flip side, he may want to completely rework his deal, which could lead to a holdout and/or a trade demand.

2) Maclin could come back from his injury and be the same player he used to be. On the flip side, he may not be the same player, or he could leave in free agency.

3) Riley Cooper may get a deal befitting his breakout season. On the flip side, he could leave in free agency.

Best case, all three stick around, are healthy, and with Jason Avant give the Eagles a talented and dangerous receiving corps. Worst case, Jason Avant is standing in the locker room wondering where the hell everybody else went.


Hey, sometimes a player just needs the guy that keep soaking up his targets to go away.  Look at Antonio Brown.  He was pretty much just seen as "the other guy" opposite Mike Wallace for a couple of years.  Turns out he was a top 5 receiver being held back by Mike Wallace.

Yeah, not likely, but hey, you can hope.
 
2014-01-07 12:57:02 PM  
To paraphrase a line from one of my favorite movies:

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Desean, you got no place else to go!


Jackson is signed to a contract (which has been extended once to get him mo' money) for the next three years.  The penalties for holding out and sulking would be too much for all but the most self-absorbed asshole to put up with.  What the Eagles need, besides some good defensive secondary players would be a big wide out (ala Megatron) to take the ability away from opposing teams to just smother Jackson.
 
2014-01-07 01:18:28 PM  

Prey4reign: What the Eagles need, besides some good defensive secondary players would be a big wide out (ala Megatron) to take the ability away from opposing teams to just smother Jackson.


I think that Cooper might actually be that guy. He's the same size as Demaryius Thomas, and he seemed to get a lot of his catches this season over the middle on crossing routes--the kind of routes that would get Jackson or Maclin hospitalized.

And I agree that they need better DBs. The current crop makes me long for the days of Troy Vincent and Bobby Taylor.
 
2014-01-07 01:38:52 PM  

Cybernetic: Best case, all three stick around, are healthy, and with Jason Avant give the Eagles a talented and dangerous receiving corps. Worst case, Jason Avant is standing in the locker room wondering where the hell everybody else went.


FWIW, I think Chip Kelly's offense is the type that can get ridiculous mileage out of random scrubs at the WR position, if need be.

For one, he actually uses McCoy several times a game unlike Reid who would forget about him for entire quarters, which forces the defense to key on the backfield and create holes in the middle of the field.
 
2014-01-07 01:46:54 PM  
Guess that whole record label isn't doing that well.
 
2014-01-07 02:43:34 PM  

thecpt: Me and an my eagles fan friend have debated for like four years now about who was the better draft pick, desean or jordy. We're kind of at a stalemate


DeSean is faster, Jordy is stronger with better hands.

DeSean is a twat, Jordy is a stand-up guy and a leader for the younger receivers.

DeSean pisses and moans in the media constantly. Quick, name me one 'bad' Jordy Nelson quote in the media.

Desean  is over-hyped and over-priced. Jordy just does his farking job and does it damn well. AND he knows how to block.

Did I miss anything?
 
2014-01-07 03:03:50 PM  

xaks: Did I miss anything?


You missed an OBVIOUS differentiating factor between the two; DeSean is from California while Jordy is from Kansas. Actually, I don't think that really matters with anything.

Wait, what? What did you think I was going to say?
 
2014-01-07 03:21:31 PM  

Killer Cars: xaks: Did I miss anything?

You missed an OBVIOUS differentiating factor between the two; DeSean is from California while Jordy is from Kansas. Actually, I don't think that really matters with anything.

Wait, what? What did you think I was going to say?


And I came running over here thinking you made some pedantic mistake, all ready to jump all up in your shiat with a "Nuh UH, Jordy only went to COLLEGE in Kansas!" and call you funny names and mock you.

Then there you go being all 'factually correct' with your bad self. Took away all mah thunder.

Bastard.
 
2014-01-07 05:09:17 PM  
Nelson or Jackson is an argument like potatoes or tomatoes.

Both are extremely versatile and you'd love to have 'em in your kitchen/offense. But if you're trying to make something that'll fill you/the stat sheet up consistently, you want potatoes/Nelson. Jackson's going to be more of a salsa base or a sauce. He's probably not going to be your main course but he can be effective whether you use him for one play or go to him a lot.

It's stupid to act as though one is better than the other - ideally you want both types in your offense. Kinda like how Philly has Cooper (homeless man's Nelson) and GB has Cobb.
 
2014-01-07 05:52:56 PM  

xaks: thecpt: Me and an my eagles fan friend have debated for like four years now about who was the better draft pick, desean or jordy. We're kind of at a stalemate

DeSean is faster, Jordy is stronger with better hands.

DeSean is a twat, Jordy is a stand-up guy and a leader for the younger receivers.

DeSean pisses and moans in the media constantly. Quick, name me one 'bad' Jordy Nelson quote in the media.

Desean  is over-hyped and over-priced. Jordy just does his farking job and does it damn well. AND he knows how to block.

Did I miss anything?


Stats man. They're incredibly comparable if you don't involve personality, and I don't think desean is THAT bad. Desean has been a force since day 1 without having someone like Rodgers throwing to him and up until this year, the two were paid practically the same. I'm more of a fan of jordy and his style, and I think he'll probably be better going forward (especially with desean's contract situation). But to this point it's a pretty close and fun argument.
 
2014-01-07 06:07:40 PM  

IAmRight: Nelson or Jackson is an argument like potatoes or tomatoes.

Both are extremely versatile and you'd love to have 'em in your kitchen/offense. But if you're trying to make something that'll fill you/the stat sheet up consistently, you want potatoes/Nelson. Jackson's going to be more of a salsa base or a sauce. He's probably not going to be your main course but he can be effective whether you use him for one play or go to him a lot.

It's stupid to act as though one is better than the other - ideally you want both types in your offense. Kinda like how Philly has Cooper (homeless man's Nelson) and GB has Cobb.


Why does it have to be stupid if it's merely entertainment. Indulging in the idea that GB doesn't pass on desean, and Rodgers has a faster than Cobb target from 08 through 10. Maybe that gets them into the next round of the playoffs in 09 when they were in an absolute shoot out with the cards.

Every year we argue and it continually goes back and forth on which one was the best pick.
 
2014-01-07 06:51:21 PM  
What a terrible debate. Desean gets the ball and scores despite being double covered as the team's #1 threat and getting delivery from the likes of Vick, Foles and Concussion Boy.

Jordy gets the ball and scores since he's the 3rd option on a team with a great quarterback.
 
2014-01-07 06:54:24 PM  

thecpt: Why does it have to be stupid if it's merely entertainment.


I didn't say stupid things aren't fun sometimes. As long as you're aware that the debate is silly and pointless.
 
2014-01-07 06:56:58 PM  

thecpt: Why does it have to be stupid if it's merely entertainment. Indulging in the idea that GB doesn't pass on desean, and Rodgers has a faster than Cobb target from 08 through 10. Maybe that gets them into the next round of the playoffs in 09 when they were in an absolute shoot out with the cards.


Let's all remember that DJax already helped the Packers win a ring as much as any Packer (his punt return against the Giants gave the Packers the edge in the WC race in '10).
 
2014-01-07 07:25:27 PM  

IAmRight: thecpt: Why does it have to be stupid if it's merely entertainment. Indulging in the idea that GB doesn't pass on desean, and Rodgers has a faster than Cobb target from 08 through 10. Maybe that gets them into the next round of the playoffs in 09 when they were in an absolute shoot out with the cards.

Let's all remember that DJax already helped the Packers win a ring as much as any Packer (his punt return against the Giants gave the Packers the edge in the WC race in '10).


...fair point.

Didn't we go back and find out that that didn't need to happen though?
 
2014-01-07 07:59:30 PM  

thecpt: IAmRight: Nelson or Jackson is an argument like potatoes or tomatoes.

Both are extremely versatile and you'd love to have 'em in your kitchen/offense. But if you're trying to make something that'll fill you/the stat sheet up consistently, you want potatoes/Nelson. Jackson's going to be more of a salsa base or a sauce. He's probably not going to be your main course but he can be effective whether you use him for one play or go to him a lot.

It's stupid to act as though one is better than the other - ideally you want both types in your offense. Kinda like how Philly has Cooper (homeless man's Nelson) and GB has Cobb.

Why does it have to be stupid if it's merely entertainment. Indulging in the idea that GB doesn't pass on desean, and Rodgers has a faster than Cobb target from 08 through 10. Maybe that gets them into the next round of the playoffs in 09 when they were in an absolute shoot out with the cards.

Every year we argue and it continually goes back and forth on which one was the best pick.


Aw hell, I try to black out the memory of that Cards game....did that end up as like the highest scoring (total) playoff game ever at something silly like 51-48 or something? I know it was just a stupid amount of points.
 
2014-01-07 09:04:24 PM  

xaks: thecpt: IAmRight: Nelson or Jackson is an argument like potatoes or tomatoes.

Both are extremely versatile and you'd love to have 'em in your kitchen/offense. But if you're trying to make something that'll fill you/the stat sheet up consistently, you want potatoes/Nelson. Jackson's going to be more of a salsa base or a sauce. He's probably not going to be your main course but he can be effective whether you use him for one play or go to him a lot.

It's stupid to act as though one is better than the other - ideally you want both types in your offense. Kinda like how Philly has Cooper (homeless man's Nelson) and GB has Cobb.

Why does it have to be stupid if it's merely entertainment. Indulging in the idea that GB doesn't pass on desean, and Rodgers has a faster than Cobb target from 08 through 10. Maybe that gets them into the next round of the playoffs in 09 when they were in an absolute shoot out with the cards.

Every year we argue and it continually goes back and forth on which one was the best pick.

Aw hell, I try to black out the memory of that Cards game....did that end up as like the highest scoring (total) playoff game ever at something silly like 51-48 or something? I know it was just a stupid amount of points.


All I remember is they win by 6 in overtime due to a defensive td on the face mask fumble on Rodgers. Maybe we beat the saints that year, but we probably dont
 
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