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(Talking Points Memo)   Democrats are close to finding 60 people in the Senate that have poor people in their state   (talkingpointsmemo.com ) divider line
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2014-01-07 09:14:23 AM  
Poor people don't donate to campaigns, and many don't vote.   Therefore they are hardly worth caring about.
 
2014-01-07 09:18:41 AM  

EvilEgg: Poor people don't donate to campaigns, and many don't vote.   Therefore they are hardly worth caring about.


they vote when they get pissed on enough

/why else would there be a concentrated effort to stop them from voting?
 
2014-01-07 09:46:56 AM  
We need to go back to listening to democrats on social issues and republicans on defense issues.
 
2014-01-07 09:51:14 AM  

Mangoose: We need to go back to listening to democrats on social issues and republicans on defense issues.


LIke when Republicans in 2002 told us the Iraqis would greet us as liberators and that the oil revenue we'd gain would pay for the war a dozen times over?  I don't think they're any better at defense issues.
 
2014-01-07 09:55:18 AM  

jake_lex: LIke when Republicans in 2002 told us the Iraqis would greet us as liberators and that the oil revenue we'd gain would pay for the war a dozen times over? I don't think they're any better at defense issues.


defense, not offense. Duh!

/remember, Truman acerbated the Cold War
//Eisenhower boosted the MiC
///Kennedy was the first to finally realize we shouldn't be doing what we were doing
////and then he was killed (in a completely unrelated incident)
 
2014-01-07 09:58:03 AM  
somedude210:

/why else would there be a concentrated effort to stop them from voting?

Try to stop them from voting?!  Those ID efforts are there to prevent rampant voting fraud.  Did you know that in the last major election that .0000833% of all voters were *suspected* of voter fraud (extremely overestimated).  That *has* to be stopped!!
 
2014-01-07 10:05:12 AM  
The economy has recovered and everyone now has access to affordable high quality healthcare insurance.

What else do they want?!
 
2014-01-07 10:11:24 AM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: .

What else do they want?!


those damn unicorns we were promised!
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-01-07 10:15:05 AM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: The economy has recovered and everyone now has access to affordable high quality healthcare insurance.

What else do they want?!


Refrigerators?
 
2014-01-07 10:16:18 AM  

vpb: Refrigerators?


in this weather?! eff 'em . They don't need them
 
2014-01-07 10:20:35 AM  
Just let me become queen/dictator and I'll get things fixed quickly.

/sometimes you just have to do things YOURSELF to get the job done
 
2014-01-07 10:21:33 AM  

Mangoose: We need to go back to listening to democrats on social issues and republicans on defense issues.


More wars and foisting equipment on the military that doesn't work? Why are these good ideas?
 
2014-01-07 10:22:53 AM  

Mangoose: We need to go back to listening to democrats on social issues and republicans on defense issues.


defense issues? Like invading Iraq?
 
2014-01-07 10:27:18 AM  

BSABSVR: More wars and foisting equipment on the military that doesn't work? Why are these good ideas?


Works just as good as just throwing money we don't have at problems we refuse to identify.
 
2014-01-07 10:30:19 AM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: BSABSVR: More wars and foisting equipment on the military that doesn't work? Why are these good ideas?

Works just as good as just throwing money we don't have at problems we refuse to identify.


That was so vague as to be completely meaningless. So....sure.
 
2014-01-07 10:33:10 AM  
Republicans have already admitted they'll probably have to give in to poor lazy people on this issue.
 
2014-01-07 10:34:56 AM  

Mangoose: We need to go back to listening to democrats on social issues and republicans on defense issues.


lulz.

When was the last time the GOP was correct about anything when it comes to defense?
 
2014-01-07 10:35:25 AM  

Mangoose: We need to go back to listening to democrats on social issues and republicans on defense issues.



Yeah! When can we invade and occupy another dirt-filled third world country, spending trillions of dollars, killing 4000+ Americans, and removing any world credibility we might have had??!!
 
2014-01-07 10:40:20 AM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: BSABSVR: More wars and foisting equipment on the military that doesn't work? Why are these good ideas?

Works just as good as just throwing money we don't have at problems we refuse to identify.



Like drug use and lack of proper education?
 
2014-01-07 10:41:07 AM  

qorkfiend: Mangoose: We need to go back to listening to democrats on social issues and republicans on defense issues.

lulz.

When was the last time the GOP was correct about anything when it comes to defense?


They made us feel manly and ok with our small genitalia because we could kill people! Murka!
 
2014-01-07 10:42:18 AM  
Apparently Republicans are resisting extending unemployment benefits until they can find savings to offset the cost.

Might I respectfully suggest that they find those savings by removing tax breaks for large, highly profitable corporations.

/ they can give them a tax break for increased employment instead.
 
2014-01-07 10:42:55 AM  

somedude210: ///Kennedy was the first to finally realize we shouldn't be doing what we were doing

increased the number of troops in Vietnam from 500 to 16,000 ( http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/progjfk5.htm  ) and was just about the best friend the Vietnam war ever had.
 
2014-01-07 10:42:56 AM  
What is it? Two Republicans so far? Sue Collins and the co-sponsor of the bill?

Good luck with convincing Republicans to do anything for the poor/unemployed besides making life harder for them in the name of their farked-up "conservative ideology".


Never mind the mean-spirited Republican pricks in the House...
 
2014-01-07 10:44:27 AM  

qorkfiend: Mangoose: We need to go back to listening to democrats on social issues and republicans on defense issues.

lulz.

When was the last time the GOP was correct about anything when it comes to defense?



fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, vote republican.
 
2014-01-07 10:45:35 AM  

qorkfiend: Mangoose: We need to go back to listening to democrats on social issues and republicans on defense issues.

lulz.

When was the last time the GOP was correct about anything when it comes to defense?


To be fair they also have terrible economic ideas.
 
2014-01-07 10:46:49 AM  

somedude210: EvilEgg: Poor people don't donate to campaigns, and many don't vote.   Therefore they are hardly worth caring about.

they vote when they get pissed on enough


If the decades long brass knuckled double anal fisting they've been on the receiving end of hasn't pissed them off enough to vote in large numbers then this probably won't either.
 
2014-01-07 10:46:58 AM  
This is just to pass the Senate. There still awaits the Lovecraftian nightmare of the House vote. Also- this is for a lousy 3 month extension. Just get it done already.
 
2014-01-07 10:46:58 AM  

Zasteva: Apparently Republicans are resisting extending unemployment benefits until they can find savings to offset the cost.

Might I respectfully suggest that they find those savings by removing tax breaks for large, highly profitable corporations.

/ they can give them a tax break for increased employment instead.


Fool.

If we stop giving Exxon takes breaks they'll take their jobs overseas.
 
2014-01-07 10:48:16 AM  

God's Hubris: fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, vote republican.

  -Rand Paul


Sorry, my mistake.
 
2014-01-07 10:49:43 AM  

thornhill: Zasteva: Apparently Republicans are resisting extending unemployment benefits until they can find savings to offset the cost.

Might I respectfully suggest that they find those savings by removing tax breaks for large, highly profitable corporations.

/ they can give them a tax break for increased employment instead.

Fool.

If we stop giving Exxon takes breaks they'll take their jobs overseas.



Not to mention, the money won't trickle down like it's been doing.
 
2014-01-07 10:56:23 AM  

qorkfiend: Mangoose: We need to go back to listening to democrats on social issues and republicans on defense issues.

lulz.

When was the last time the GOP was correct about anything when it comes to defense?



They predicted that they could manipulate the public into going to war if they had A "New Pearl Harbor"


/They were right
 
2014-01-07 10:58:12 AM  

Obama's Reptiloid Master: qorkfiend: Mangoose: We need to go back to listening to democrats on social issues and republicans on defense issues.

lulz.

When was the last time the GOP was correct about anything when it comes to defense?

They made us feel manly and ok with our small genitalia because we could kill people! Murka!


Name one president that sat in office at a time when America didn't kill someone somewhere.

We've always killed people. The hope is in that we did it for the right reasons.

I'm glad I refreshed before posting. I had a whole long winded response to somedude,  And then I saw all the comments. And it reminded me of why I don't really attempt serious discussions.

I even pulled out references to Eisenhower's farewell address.

Now I'll just say this. Don't be so flip and don't forget that yesterday is not today and today will not be tomorrow.
 
2014-01-07 10:58:59 AM  
Kirk (R-IL) votes no. IL UE: 8.7%
McCain (R-AZ) votes no. AZ UE: 7.8%
 
2014-01-07 10:59:53 AM  

Mangoose: We need to go back to listening to democrats on social issues and republicans on defense issues.


Are you nuts? Republicans are TERRIBLE at defense. They are good at spending defense money, but that's in no way the same thing.
 
2014-01-07 11:00:06 AM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: They predicted that they could manipulate the public into going to war if they had  created A "New Pearl Harbor"



ftfy
 
2014-01-07 11:00:40 AM  
I really hate that headline. To me, unemployment benefits aren't for helping poor people. They are for preventing middle class people from becoming poor.
 
2014-01-07 11:00:57 AM  
Can they just be honest and propose to extend them forever? Sure the Republicans are the bad guys here but they are at least honest.
 
2014-01-07 11:02:42 AM  

God's Hubris: DROxINxTHExWIND: They predicted that they could manipulate the public into going to war if they had  created A "New Pearl Harbor"


ftfy


I like the way you think.
 
2014-01-07 11:03:08 AM  

Mangoose: We need to go back to listening to democrats on social issues and republicans on defense issues.


That's what we have been doing. It leads to a thing called debt.
 
2014-01-07 11:04:15 AM  

Brostorm: Mangoose: We need to go back to listening to democrats on social issues and republicans on defense issues.

That's what we have been doing. It leads to a thing called debt.


Actually, listening to Republicans on fiscal issues leads to a thing called debt, but nice try on the false equivalence.
 
2014-01-07 11:04:25 AM  

Mangoose: Name one president that sat in office at a time when America didn't kill someone somewhere.



The issue isn't whether or not someone was killed, but whether or not the cost of killing was worth it. Obama had to clean up Bush's clusterf*cks. He pacified Libya rather painlessly. I don't decry either policy nor do I approve of interfering in other nations' civil wars, but I sure as hell would rather have another Libya than another Iraq.
 
2014-01-07 11:06:14 AM  

BSABSVR: That was so vague as to be completely meaningless. So....sure.


Normally hit the bait so why not, please explain how your comment was razor sharp and packed with meaning? I would think that both of ours were bumper sticker worthy. That was kind of the point I was just trying to mirror your post.

Lord_Baull: Like drug use and lack of proper education?


And how has the billions/trillions we've throw at these problems improved either of them? Do we have better or worse schools now? And are we curtailing drug use at all??

And I would say that both of these are symptoms, which goes to my point of not identifying the problem
 
2014-01-07 11:06:36 AM  
The next few cycles are going to interesting as the factions sort themselves out. And it's going to make some dang interesting bedfellows...
 
2014-01-07 11:07:56 AM  

qorkfiend: Brostorm: Mangoose: We need to go back to listening to democrats on social issues and republicans on defense issues.

That's what we have been doing. It leads to a thing called debt.

Actually, listening to Republicans on fiscal issues leads to a thing called debt, but nice try on the false equivalence.



No, see, remember, giving poor people money takes that hypothetical dollar and makes it disappear forever. Giving rich people tax breaks makes that hypothetical dollar go back into the economy eleventy times over. Bush tax cuts clearly demonstrate this.
 
2014-01-07 11:09:23 AM  

God's Hubris: God's Hubris: fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, vote republican.  -Rand Paul


'Sorry, my mistake.

' - Rand Paul
 
2014-01-07 11:13:01 AM  
Question: at what point is it okay to stop extending unemployment benefits? Do the libs here think that the temporary unemployment insurance benefit should be made permanent? We've been extending it for years now- is there any point where we might say "okay, it's time to go back to the old status quo of time limitations on ue benefits"?

Unemployment is now at 7%, much lower than it was at the start of the recession, but still above long term averages. So there is a legitimate argument on both sides of this issue.

I just want to see where opinions are among those on the left. If UE drops to 6.5% can we end UE extensions? 6%? Or do you think people who have been laid off be able to get up to 1/2 of previous wages in perpetuity?

Or is it just a political football that the left will use for whatever points it can make, regardless of the state of the economy?
 
2014-01-07 11:14:18 AM  

keylock71: What is it? Two Republicans so far? Sue Collins and the co-sponsor of the bill?

Good luck with convincing Republicans to do anything for the poor/unemployed besides making life harder for them in the name of their farked-up "conservative ideologycompassion".


Never mind the mean-spirited Republican pricks in the House...


FTFY
 
2014-01-07 11:15:15 AM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Lord_Baull: Like drug use and lack of proper education?

And how has the billions/trillions we've throw at these problems improved either of them? Do we have better or worse schools now? And are we curtailing drug use at all??

And I would say that both of these are symptoms, which goes to my point of not identifying the problem



As far as "drug wars," we are in agreement, as was my point. Throwing billions to put pot smokers in jail is a complete waste of time and resources, but it sure does make those for-profit prisons more profitable.

as for education, spending billions of dollars on textbooks and standardized tests does nothing for education people, but it sure does make those test makers and book sellers more profitable. We could spend less on education and direct the money to more effective areas, like hiring QUALITY teachers, with their salaries based on the improvements of students from beginning of the year to end of the year, equalize the spending across all schools, offer low interest student loans for higher education, and teach sex ed properly, and we'd see a boon to our economy in the way of less welfare for unwanted children, increased science and technology and a general increase in educated work force. But no, we have to give billions to a test maker and make sure the lower IQ kids are on a college track instead.
 
2014-01-07 11:16:43 AM  
The irony of getting hit with a banner ad on this page for Chris Christie was perfect as NJ has the highest percentage of the poors impacted by this money.
 
2014-01-07 11:17:15 AM  

Lord_Baull: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Lord_Baull: Like drug use and lack of proper education?

And how has the billions/trillions we've throw at these problems improved either of them? Do we have better or worse schools now? And are we curtailing drug use at all??

And I would say that both of these are symptoms, which goes to my point of not identifying the problem


As far as "drug wars," we are in agreement, as was my point. Throwing billions to put pot smokers in jail is a complete waste of time and resources, but it sure does make those for-profit prisons more profitable.

as for education, spending billions of dollars on textbooks and standardized tests does nothing for education people, but it sure does make those test makers and book sellers more profitable. We could spend less on education and direct the money to more effective areas, like hiring QUALITY teachers, with their salaries based on the improvements of students from beginning of the year to end of the year, equalize the spending across all schools, offer low interest student loans for higher education, and teach sex ed properly, and we'd see a boon to our economy in the way of less welfare for unwanted children, increased science and technology and a general increase in educated work force. But no, we have to give billions to a test maker and make sure the lower IQ kids are on a college track instead.


Add that states are cutting education funding left and right and it's quite apparent why education is stumbling.  See: Philadelphia.
 
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