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(Forbes)   New U.S Olympic bobsled is designed by BMW. Although if the bobsled team wanted a vehicle that borders on being out of control down icy slopes with no chance of stopping, they should have gone with Chrysler   (forbes.com ) divider line
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2014-01-06 09:14:21 PM  
www.mnd-tyneandwear.org.uk
Cool runnings
 
2014-01-06 09:20:25 PM  
Are there really any new frontiers in bobsled design?  Haven't we optimized that shiat yet?
 
2014-01-06 09:40:53 PM  

Ambivalence: Are there really any new frontiers in bobsled design?  Haven't we optimized that shiat yet?


A timer that makes it explode if they get to the finish line slower than the one in front of them?
 
2014-01-06 10:00:48 PM  

Ambivalence: Are there really any new frontiers in bobsled design?  Haven't we optimized that shiat yet?


You'd think we'd have reached the limits of swimsuit engineering, but they found a way to improve on them.

Bobsleds should be able to benefit from more advanced computer modeling for aerodynamics and improvements in material science to reduce weight.
 
2014-01-06 10:25:53 PM  
Sports headline of the year, so far.

Subby, that is a thing of beauty. Bravo!
 
2014-01-06 10:29:41 PM  

Principal Clarinet: www.mnd-tyneandwear.org.uk
Cool runnings


John Candy should have gotten an Oscar for that role. Not even trolling.
 
2014-01-06 10:40:33 PM  

Ambivalence: Are there really any new frontiers in bobsled design?  Haven't we optimized that shiat yet?


Flux capacitor
 
2014-01-07 12:13:35 AM  
http://i.imgur.com/4oHoH6W.gif
 
2014-01-07 12:16:37 AM  

Principal Clarinet: [www.mnd-tyneandwear.org.uk image 400x300]
Cool runnings


Came for the Cool Runnings reference, leaving satisfied.
 
2014-01-07 12:18:42 AM  

Ambivalence: Are there really any new frontiers in bobsled design?  Haven't we optimized that shiat yet?


The Bodine Brothers did alot of work on this in the 80's and 90's, but in any sport where 100ths of a second count nothing is ever truly optimized.
 
2014-01-07 12:22:10 AM  
PS: We miss you, Dick Trickle:

www.bodynbobsled.com
 
2014-01-07 12:28:21 AM  
If they wanted a sled that gets going and doesn't stop, they should of went with Toyota.
 
2014-01-07 12:31:43 AM  
Why would a German company design a bobsled for an American Olympic team?
 
2014-01-07 12:39:15 AM  

Taima: Why would a German company design a bobsled for an American Olympic team?


IIRC, the sleds are pretty spec now.
 
2014-01-07 12:39:50 AM  

Taima: Why would a German company design a bobsled for an American Olympic team?


You know how I know you didn't read the article?
 
2014-01-07 12:43:05 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: Ambivalence: Are there really any new frontiers in bobsled design?  Haven't we optimized that shiat yet?

You'd think we'd have reached the limits of swimsuit engineering, but they found a way to improve on them.

Bobsleds should be able to benefit from more advanced computer modeling for aerodynamics and improvements in material science to reduce weight.


This! Basically the Olympics is typically about which ever country can throw the most money at the sport for Nationalistic pride. Those that can, then win massive amounts of events.
 
2014-01-07 12:44:16 AM  
Uncontrolled acceleration is a Toyota thing, subby dumbass.
 
2014-01-07 12:49:42 AM  
BMW.  Mach schnell.  Gut.
 
2014-01-07 12:53:17 AM  
What the sled might look like in action:

Steven Holcomb & Steve Langton (USA-1):
img.fark.net;

Cory Butner & Chuck Berkeley (USA-3):
img.fark.net

Both from FIBT World Cup race 3 in Lake Placid.
 
2014-01-07 01:01:36 AM  

Taima: Why would a German company design a bobsled for an American Olympic team?


Because Americans buy a lot of BMW's.
 
2014-01-07 01:02:17 AM  

Kurmudgeon: Uncontrolled acceleration is a Toyota thing, subby dumbass.


You shut your whore mouth!
 
2014-01-07 01:04:50 AM  
"Bobsleigh," subby. If you want to be cool, you call it "bobsleigh."
 
2014-01-07 01:13:25 AM  
You know who else BMW designed machines for?
 
2014-01-07 01:18:06 AM  

stoli n coke: You know who else BMW designed machines for?


Jews?
 
2014-01-07 01:25:55 AM  
nice Bobsled.
 
2014-01-07 01:25:56 AM  
That's a good'un subby

i.imgur.com
 
2014-01-07 01:30:49 AM  

MFAWG: Taima: Why would a German company design a bobsled for an American Olympic team?

IIRC, the sleds are pretty spec now.


Not at all.  If you look at the front of a Eurotech sled (like the Canadians use), the nose and run up to where the pilot sits is much more rounded than the BMWs (or really the Bodyn before those).  The Citius sleds that the Swiss use are kind of a combination of the two, where the point isn't as defined as in the BMW sleds, but is definitely there (and falls off the side a bit as well).  Japan is working on a most flatter nosed sled that they debuted at the North American Cup race in Lake Placid this past March that's supposed to come in cost-wise around $15,000 (compared to the $40,000-$60,000 you'd pay for a Eurotech).

Really, aside from the type of material that you can use for the runners and things like that, every sled maker has their own thing about them.
 
2014-01-07 01:33:27 AM  

limeyfellow: TuteTibiImperes: Ambivalence: Are there really any new frontiers in bobsled design?  Haven't we optimized that shiat yet?

You'd think we'd have reached the limits of swimsuit engineering, but they found a way to improve on them.

Bobsleds should be able to benefit from more advanced computer modeling for aerodynamics and improvements in material science to reduce weight.

This! Basically the Olympics is typically about which ever country can throw the most money at the sport for Nationalistic pride. Those that can, then win massive amounts of events.


Didn't they end up banning the most high tech swimsuits, once it became clear they gave an unfair advantage to the US and other rich nations?
 
2014-01-07 01:43:13 AM  
So for instance, this is USA-2, a BMW: 
img.fark.net
Compared to a Eurotech:
img.fark.net
Then a Citius (which, until the BMWs came out, were likely the fastest sleds out there):
img.fark.net
And then the Japanese sled, which is a total break from traditional aerodynamic sled design.  I'm excited to see how it works out going forward for some of the smaller nations.  Right now Heath Spence and the Aussie team is using a 6 year old Dresden or something like that because that's all he can afford.
img.fark.net
 
2014-01-07 01:59:28 AM  
I see the low hanging Toyota fruit has been picked. Darn...

/3 time Toyota owner
 
2014-01-07 02:07:48 AM  

Go Fast Turn Left: And then the Japanese sled, which is a total break from traditional aerodynamic sled design


It will never stand a chance with wooden runners
 
2014-01-07 04:23:36 AM  
Don't forget the inexplicable electrical failures.
 
2014-01-07 04:39:12 AM  
How close are we to getting rid of this "one-at-a-time" nonsense? I want a real race.
 
2014-01-07 05:29:45 AM  

Bslim: Don't forget the inexplicable electrical failures.


Lucas?
 
2014-01-07 08:10:02 AM  

Kurmudgeon: Uncontrolled acceleration is a Toyota thing, subby dumbass.


/shakes tiny fist
 
2014-01-07 08:10:53 AM  
Need a slick aero package whilst running as close to regulations and exploiting soft spots like no one else? Formula 1 designers are your ticket.

Paging Adrian Newey. Paging Mr. Newey....
 
2014-01-07 08:25:23 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Sports headline of the year, so far.

Subby, that is a thing of beauty. Bravo!


A Chrysler joke is HOTY material? Wait till you see your first Toronto Maple Leafs or Tony Romo headline.
 
2014-01-07 08:27:15 AM  
"You shut your whore mouth!"

Shut it for me, Newport guy.
And for those who keep forgetting or are trying to misrepresent the truth, this is a Toyota
www.autospies.com
/pray for them, like was asked.
 
2014-01-07 08:40:36 AM  
I don't know if I oughta go sailin' down no hill with nothin' between the ground and my brain but a piece of German plastic.
 
2014-01-07 08:54:43 AM  
Ummm, Subby, Chrysler was too busy designing the Italian bob"sleigh"
 
2014-01-07 08:55:36 AM  
BBB,

Nice job sir, way to protect that part of yours....
 
2014-01-07 09:00:42 AM  
Most winter olympics sports are really stupid.  This qualifies.

Yeah there is a coolness to going really fast down an icy hill, but is it really a sporting event?

Here's my list of reasonable Winter olympic events:

Traditional Skiiing (Downhill/Cross Country/Slalom etc)
Biathalon
Speedskating - I'll accept short track too
Ice Hockey - I don't like team sports in the olympics, but it's a sport

Silly (doesn't mean they're not fun to watch):
Luge
Bobsled
Figure Skating
Trick skiiing/snowboarding
Curling
 
2014-01-07 09:10:01 AM  

MugzyBrown: Most winter olympics sports are really stupid.  This qualifies.

Yeah there is a coolness to going really fast down an icy hill, but is it really a sporting event?

Here's my list of reasonable Winter olympic events:

Traditional Skiiing (Downhill/Cross Country/Slalom etc)
Biathalon
Speedskating - I'll accept short track too
Ice Hockey - I don't like team sports in the olympics, but it's a sport

Silly (doesn't mean they're not fun to watch):
Luge
Bobsled
Figure Skating
Trick skiiing/snowboarding
Curling


You forgot skeleton.  It's awesome.

img.fark.net
 
2014-01-07 09:19:55 AM  

Go Fast Turn Left: What the sled might look like in action:

Steven Holcomb & Steve Langton (USA-1):
[img.fark.net image 800x533];

Cory Butner & Chuck Berkeley (USA-3):
[img.fark.net image 800x533]

Both from FIBT World Cup race 3 in Lake Placid.


KOA is still around??
 
2014-01-07 09:21:22 AM  

Go Fast Turn Left: ou forgot skeleton.  It's awesome


Skeleton is just luge, but the guy fell face first.

It was probably invented during a luger's bar bet.
 
2014-01-07 09:24:22 AM  

Principal Clarinet: [www.mnd-tyneandwear.org.uk image 400x300]
Cool runnings


One of my favorite things about jamiaca is in the montego bay airport, there is a bar called cool runnings, that has a bunch of tvs which just play that movie again and again on a loop, off of what I assume is a vhs player based on the worn out tracking.

While i love that movie, I have to think that the people working there must have committed the worst crimes possible in jamaica to be forced to watch it day in and day out.
 
2014-01-07 09:27:45 AM  

MugzyBrown: Go Fast Turn Left: ou forgot skeleton.  It's awesome

Skeleton is just luge, but the guy fell face first.

It was probably invented during a luger's bar bet.


Both modern versions of the sport originate from the same time (and same place, St. Moritz).  That said, skeleton is far more fun to watch than luge.  Of course, natural track luge is far and away more fun to watch than either, but it's not an Olympic sport, and is relegated to a few spots in eastern Europe.
 
2014-01-07 09:27:48 AM  

Go Fast Turn Left: MugzyBrown: Most winter olympics sports are really stupid.  This qualifies.

Yeah there is a coolness to going really fast down an icy hill, but is it really a sporting event?

Here's my list of reasonable Winter olympic events:

Traditional Skiiing (Downhill/Cross Country/Slalom etc)
Biathalon
Speedskating - I'll accept short track too
Ice Hockey - I don't like team sports in the olympics, but it's a sport

Silly (doesn't mean they're not fun to watch):
Luge
Bobsled
Figure Skating
Trick skiiing/snowboarding
Curling

You forgot skeleton.  It's awesome.

[img.fark.net image 850x613]



Didn't a guy die doing skeleton at the last WO?
 
2014-01-07 09:29:35 AM  

Garbonzo42: Go Fast Turn Left: MugzyBrown: Most winter olympics sports are really stupid.  This qualifies.

Yeah there is a coolness to going really fast down an icy hill, but is it really a sporting event?

Here's my list of reasonable Winter olympic events:

Traditional Skiiing (Downhill/Cross Country/Slalom etc)
Biathalon
Speedskating - I'll accept short track too
Ice Hockey - I don't like team sports in the olympics, but it's a sport

Silly (doesn't mean they're not fun to watch):
Luge
Bobsled
Figure Skating
Trick skiiing/snowboarding
Curling

You forgot skeleton.  It's awesome.

[img.fark.net image 850x613]


Didn't a guy die doing skeleton at the last WO?


Luge, Nodar Kumaritashvili.  A luge sled is up higher than a skeleton sled, and the sliders hold themselves onto the skeleton sled a bit with their arms.  The same hit off the final corner in skeleton likely would have just left with some bruises and not the "ejection" you saw with Kumaritashvili
 
2014-01-07 09:31:10 AM  

Big Beef Burrito: I don't know if I oughta go sailin' down no hill with nothin' between the ground and my brain but a piece of German plastic.


I don't LOL very often at comments, but that made me LOL

/LOL
 
2014-01-07 09:31:45 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: You'd think we'd have reached the limits of swimsuit engineering, but they found a way to improve on them.


In fairness, that was essentially because no one thought to even try before the mid-90s.
 
2014-01-07 09:33:33 AM  

hitmanric: A Chrysler joke is HOTY material? Wait till you see your first Toronto Maple Leafs or Tony Romo headline.


Submitted links approved:None


I rest my case, your honor.
 
2014-01-07 09:39:19 AM  

Need a Dispenser Here: I see the low hanging Toyota fruit has been picked. Darn...

/3 time Toyota owner


Need a Dispenser Here: I see the low hanging Toyota fruit has been picked. Darn...

/3 time Toyota owner


There are still some ground apples...

Did the Georgian team upgrade to the BMW from the Toyota?
 
2014-01-07 09:59:18 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-01-07 11:52:31 AM  
Natural Track Luge (link)
fun starts at 4:35
 
2014-01-07 12:50:19 PM  
Weird, it's a vehicle designed by BMW... but I don't really see a provision to allow the driver to jabber away on a smartphone the entire time they careen carelessly down the bobsled run.
 
2014-01-07 01:06:04 PM  

NewportBarGuy: hitmanric: A Chrysler joke is HOTY material? Wait till you see your first Toronto Maple Leafs or Tony Romo headline.

Submitted links approved:None


I rest my case, your honor.


Relevance?
 
2014-01-07 01:23:26 PM  

Go Fast Turn Left: So for instance, this is USA-2, a BMW: 
[img.fark.net image 800x533]
Compared to a Eurotech:
[img.fark.net image 800x533]
Then a Citius (which, until the BMWs came out, were likely the fastest sleds out there):
[img.fark.net image 800x533]
And then the Japanese sled, which is a total break from traditional aerodynamic sled design.  I'm excited to see how it works out going forward for some of the smaller nations.  Right now Heath Spence and the Aussie team is using a 6 year old Dresden or something like that because that's all he can afford.
[img.fark.net image 533x800]


Interesting that the Swiss Citius also has BMW sponsorship, if not engineering.
 
2014-01-07 01:23:49 PM  
Bodines (the NASCAR Bodines) also build sleds that are used by the USA team that were good there for a while.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geoff_Bodine#Bo-Dyn_bobsleds

But when a sport comes down to thousandths of a second to determine a winner, it has been optimized about as far as it can.  Like NASCAR where everybody essentially drives the same car and has the same skills, it comes down to very minor factors like weight reduction and luck to win.

/Still fun to watch
//I like Luge and Skeleton much more
///Figure skating and Ice Dancing should not be Olympic sports, though.
 
2014-01-07 01:33:45 PM  

ski9600: Go Fast Turn Left: So for instance, this is USA-2, a BMW:
[img.fark.net image 800x533]
Compared to a Eurotech:
[img.fark.net image 800x533]
Then a Citius (which, until the BMWs came out, were likely the fastest sleds out there):
[img.fark.net image 800x533]
And then the Japanese sled, which is a total break from traditional aerodynamic sled design.  I'm excited to see how it works out going forward for some of the smaller nations.  Right now Heath Spence and the Aussie team is using a 6 year old Dresden or something like that because that's all he can afford.
[img.fark.net image 533x800]

Interesting that the Swiss Citius also has BMW sponsorship, if not engineering.


BMW is pretty involved in the sport.  They also just inked sponsorship of the Canadians, and I *think* they do something with the Austrians too.  Those are all just in monetary form for the most part, though BMW does provide cars to some of the World Cup athletes in Canada when they're home much like they do the Americans (usually X3s).  Canada's in a contract with Eurotech for sled support, though, and that's worked out pretty well for them, so I don't expect any change as far as technical alliances there.  Citius has been doing the Swiss sleds for some time now as well, and I'm willing to say that they're on par with the new BMW stuff, despite being a few years older.  You tend to see pretty high top speeds from the Swiss even on unclean runs.

I think the biggest issue going forward is going to be how Bodyn fits into this whole thing (if at all).  Their sleds use an entirely different type of steering mechanism than the BMWs, and that's causing some serious problems right now in the USA four-man program.  The feel is entirely different between the two mechanisms, so instead of *only* having to worry about the differences in weight and pressure through corners between a two and four-man sled, you now also have to know how much you need to pull on the rings for steering.  When you look at results from Europe (and even some of the American races), where the Americans are all toward the top in two-man, the performance just isn't there in four-man.  Unless something's done with that, the combined results will suffer in the long-run.
 
2014-01-07 01:55:24 PM  

hitmanric: NewportBarGuy: Sports headline of the year, so far.

Subby, that is a thing of beauty. Bravo!

A Chrysler joke is HOTY material? Wait till you see your first Toronto Maple Leafs or Tony Romo headline.


I think the excitement from this last round of HOTY is carrying over.

Or the sarcasm is just not evident in the original post.

Either way, We're 7 days into the first month of this year.  Give it some time, people.
 
2014-01-07 07:49:29 PM  

vonmatrices: I think the excitement from this last round of HOTY is carrying over.

Or the sarcasm is just not evident in the original post.

Either way, We're 7 days into the first month of this year. Give it some time, people.


I just really hate Chrysler. I wish Fiat the best of luck because I do like the jobs they provide.
 
2014-01-07 09:49:58 PM  

Stagger_Lee: Natural Track Luge (link)
fun starts at 4:35


That's like SCCA Solo 1. On ice. Without a car. Neat.
 
2014-01-07 10:03:59 PM  

Go Fast Turn Left: You forgot skeleton. It's awesome.


I just wandered back into this dead thread to let you know I stayed up until way too late last night watching the youtubed recording of the women's skeleton heats from the 2010 Olympics. That shiat is hypnotic, and no one is ever a sure thing.
 
2014-01-07 10:21:29 PM  

HotWingAgenda: Go Fast Turn Left: You forgot skeleton. It's awesome.

I just wandered back into this dead thread to let you know I stayed up until way too late last night watching the youtubed recording of the women's skeleton heats from the 2010 Olympics. That shiat is hypnotic, and no one is ever a sure thing.


Ready to kill a bunch of time? Here's the FIBT's youtube page.  It's where they have the live races on late at night/early in the morning:  http://www.youtube.com/user/bobskeletv.  It's where I spend a lot of nights/mornings working on my blog.
 
2014-01-08 08:56:17 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: Ambivalence: Are there really any new frontiers in bobsled design?  Haven't we optimized that shiat yet?

You'd think we'd have reached the limits of swimsuit engineering, but they found a way to improve on them.


And the work never ceases:

3.bp.blogspot.com

www.outblush.com

chewthedirt.com

FOR SCIENCE!
 
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