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(Slate)   Are you a Democrat but don't really want to vote for Hillary in 2016? Meet her most likely primary challenger   (slate.com) divider line 62
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2014-01-06 10:11:23 PM
6 votes:
I'm a Republican, so feel free to dismiss the following as concern trolling: Brian Schweitzer legitimately worries me.  He can't beat Hillary in a primary, but, if she doesn't run, he could get the nomination and trounce any Republican that runs.  He combines the most popular aspects of both parties (Democrats' economic populism + Republicans' cultural populism) at a time when Republicans are collectively defending some very unpopular economic policies and have little to offer middle-class voters but cultural resentment.
2014-01-06 11:30:44 PM
4 votes:

Omahawg: Hillary's time on the board of directors of wal-mart and tyson make her odious to me


Yeah, I've never been very sure why the 'left' has been lining up behind somebody that was on the board of those two companies. Hell, she was on the board of Wal-Mart when they really started ramping up the pressure on suppliers to offshore their manufacturing. Just a few weeks ago she was giving a speech at Goldman Sachs saying people need to stop vilifying Wall Street.

SHE IS NOT ONE OF YOU, DESPITE THE D BEHIND HER NAME!!
2014-01-06 06:28:34 PM
4 votes:
It's over two years away. Referring to any candidate as "most likely" is pretty well overstating it.
2014-01-06 06:27:28 PM
4 votes:
If Edward Snowden is a criminal, then so are a lot of people that are working within the CIA and the NSA who have been spying illegally on American citizens. They ought to grant Snowden clemency.

On "blowback" upon leaving Afghanistan: If it all goes to hell in a handbasket, that's fine. That happened after Alexander the Great left; that happened after the Russians left. Who cares? They live in the Stone Age. If you ask generals whether we should stay in a war a little longer, that's like asking a barber whether you need a haircut.

Slate: when you ran in 2004, when you won the governor's race, there were gay marriage and marijuana issues on the ballot, and Republicans thought they'd set "family values" traps for you.

Schweitzer: Oh, yeah, name these Republicans. The ones cheating on their third wives while they're talking about traditional family values? Those ones?


What the hell ass balls - a politican who expresses an opinion?  When the hell did that happen??
2014-01-06 06:22:18 PM
4 votes:
That photo makes me want to vote for Hilary Clinton. I don't think they could have chosen a douchier looking screenshot.
2014-01-06 11:27:48 PM
3 votes:
Clinton isn't running in 2016. We all know that Republicans are really hoping she does so they can go all Benghazi on her... but she isn't running.

I'd like to see Elizabeth Warren run, personally.

Either which way, I'll be voting for the lesser of two evils which is guaranteed to be a Democrat... so... thanks for being so shiatty that you leave me no alternative choices, Republicans.
2014-01-06 09:33:46 PM
3 votes:
The only branch that matters anymore is the Judicial.

The country has to wait with bated breath for every 5-4 decree that comes down on high -  even for legislation that passes with a 60 vote super majority in the upper house (like the ACA, or "Obamacare" if you're a dick, hack or both like David Gregory).

Unfortunately we are in a position where electing Democrats is the only option available to ensure that complete maniacs aren't appointed to the federal bench.

I say that as a registered Democrat in a deep blue state, mind you.

Hillary will win if she runs and I'll vote for her even though I wish the senate were 50 Bernie Sanders and 50 Elizabeth Warrens.

The art of the possible, right?
2014-01-06 08:16:45 PM
3 votes:

nekom: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Doesn't the VP always get the inside track?

I don't think anyone seriously thinks Biden is going to run.


I would be perfectly happy with VP-for-life Biden. Whoever wins the nomination just keeps choosing Joe for VP until he's 85.
2014-01-06 07:19:52 PM
3 votes:

Cagey B: Fark It: I hope the media doesn't Ron Paul him though, his centrist credentials and NRA endorsement could be used to Tea Party him in the primaries, and he's a white guy so he's not going to be able to really pander to the identity politics-minded Democrats.

I see. The Democrats should value the NRA more, and anything that might matter to those pesky minorities is "identity politics" and should be ignored. Thanks for your concern.

Also, Ron Paul was f*cking insane. That had nothing to do with the media.


Case in point.
2014-01-06 06:42:25 PM
3 votes:
I'd rather see a candidate that will speak up and say we should move to universal single payer healthcare, but otherwise his positions seem pretty good.

I'm hoping Warren runs.
2014-01-06 10:56:04 PM
2 votes:

MSFT: RminusQ:
I would be perfectly happy with VP-for-life Biden. Whoever wins the nomination just keeps choosing Joe for VP until he's 85.

That would be awesome.


We should start a petition. I'm down. Biden has been able to figure out a really good role for the VP; the court jester. He can say the shiat no one else can get away with, because no one really takes him seriously. But, like when he pre-empted Obama's announcement supporting gay marriage, he can help push things along. Was it the trans am thing that really got online fundraising going? He's done spectacularly, and I think the Dems would be smart to keep running him.

/on topic: I'd be down for a Warren/Davis or Warren/Biden ticket. As much as I'd like a husband and wife President, we need to get away from dynasties for a little while.
2014-01-06 10:14:38 PM
2 votes:
I'd like to see him debate Christie on the big stage.  Something about the way they both approach things makes me think it would be a popcorn-and-beer-required event.
2014-01-06 09:05:36 PM
2 votes:
No More Clintons or Bushes in 2016...
2014-01-06 09:04:35 PM
2 votes:

p the boiler: Looks at thread
Ctrl+F Booker - nothing
Ctrl +F Patrick - nothing

Better read the article since that combo is my winning ticket


My friend who has spent some time in Newark is of the opinion that Cory Booker is good at promoting Cory Booker but has no actual desire to govern. I can't really judge on that, but I do wish it had been Rush Holt to win the NJ Senate seat.
2014-01-06 08:42:54 PM
2 votes:
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2014-01-06 07:16:07 PM
2 votes:

skinnycatullus: I love that guy. I hope Clinton doesn't even run (yeah, I know, no chance of that happening). But I do not look forward to being accused of misogyny when I don't support her in the primaries. And I'm afraid the fact that I can name half a dozen OTHER women I'd be delighted to support won't shield me from those accusations.


I think Hils would have been a good President, but 21 years of continuous character assignation by the Right has left her with way too much accumulated damage. I would dread a campaign season with her as the target. They've had decades to set up all sorts of anti-Hillary attacks. Better to start with somebody fresh.
2014-01-06 07:05:24 PM
2 votes:

Benevolent Misanthrope: If Edward Snowden is a criminal, then so are a lot of people that are working within the CIA and the NSA who have been spying illegally on American citizens. They ought to grant Snowden clemency.

On "blowback" upon leaving Afghanistan: If it all goes to hell in a handbasket, that's fine. That happened after Alexander the Great left; that happened after the Russians left. Who cares? They live in the Stone Age. If you ask generals whether we should stay in a war a little longer, that's like asking a barber whether you need a haircut.

Slate: when you ran in 2004, when you won the governor's race, there were gay marriage and marijuana issues on the ballot, and Republicans thought they'd set "family values" traps for you.

Schweitzer: Oh, yeah, name these Republicans. The ones cheating on their third wives while they're talking about traditional family values? Those ones?


What the hell ass balls - a politican who expresses an opinion?  When the hell did that happen??


It's kind of shocking to hear this coming from someone who was a Senator.  I can see a Rep saying something like that.  But a Senate Democrat?  The dude has some stones, and he's definitely a Washington outsider.  Given the popularity of Congress and Obama's approval ratings, that's huge.  I hope the media doesn't Ron Paul him though, his centrist credentials and NRA endorsement could be used to Tea Party him in the primaries, and he's a white guy so he's not going to be able to really pander to the identity politics-minded Democrats.  And then there's this:

The day after I got out of graduate school, after I defended my thesis, I went straight to Libya. I was there for a year; I was in Saudi Arabia for seven. I learned to speak Arabic. I can explain to you, in a way that almost no one else in the country can, the difference between a Sunni and a Shia. I can explain to you who and what the Wahhabis are in Saudi Arabia. I can talk to you about why we, the United States, initially got involved with the Saudi royal family, what we got out of the deal. I can explain to you why we knew Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. We knew, because we supplied chemical weapons to him so he could poison the Iranians. The Iranians are Persian, not Arab; they haven't got along for several thousand years.

Hillary's greatest strength is her foreign policy credentials from being SecState.  This guy can easily go toe-to-toe with her on that.
2014-01-07 10:06:45 AM
1 votes:

Pick: Why anyone in their right mind would vote for Hillary for president of the United States is beyond me. After the way she handled Benghazi, would you want her handling the entire country that same way? I would not.


What difference does it make at this point how she handled Benghazi?
2014-01-07 09:22:58 AM
1 votes:

Pick: Why anyone in their right mind would vote for Hillary for president of the United States is beyond me. After the way she handled Benghazi, would you want her handling the entire country that same way? I would not.


Because they are going to be confronted with the GOP's idea of an alternative - just like the last two times.
If they would knock it off with the preachers, inbred aristocrats, and deluded corporate pirates, a person in their right mind might consider NOT voting for Clinton in '16.
2014-01-07 03:28:59 AM
1 votes:
The election is still MORE THAN TWO YEARS AWAY!
2014-01-07 02:41:02 AM
1 votes:
I'm not a democrat and I don't want to vote for any of the current members of the GOP freak show, or Hillary. Warren is too far left for me, and she's honestly unelectable at the national level anyway (deal with it). So considering all that, this guy seems pretty cool, someone I'd definitely consider throwing a meaningless red state vote at.
2014-01-07 02:39:58 AM
1 votes:

EyeballKid: I wouldn't be surprised to see a progressive Democrat with a history of cooperation with Republicans run.


He won't. I wish he would. He stood up against the un-Patriot Act. He's reasonably principled, for a politician. Most of all, he's not a legacy.

/Wish Hillary wouldn't run.
//I don't want dynasties
m00
2014-01-07 01:53:56 AM
1 votes:
I like this guy a lot.
2014-01-07 12:39:39 AM
1 votes:

tinfoil-hat maggie: zeroman987: as a pinko commie liberal welfare state leech etc etc, he has my vote.

Well I can't go that far but I do wanna hear more from him. I've often thought the Dems should ( and I thought were for the most part) on limiting the 2nd amendment, and no one cares about the 4th anymore and looks like Utah is challenging the 14th. I'd rather not lose any rights I would however like to gain equal rights finally. So yeA lot's of times I've had to vote for people that don't understand the 2nd.


I'd personally like to see someone address income inequality first and foremost. After that we can work on the other problems, many of which will solve themselves once income inequality is addressed. Less poverty = less crime = less "need" for cops to violate the 4th. And fewer people will want to exercise their 2nd when there are fewer criminals to protect against.

Utah's gonna lose the battle over the 14th, even in front of the Supremes. They'll find some way of chucking it back to the lower court like they did with the Cali case.

But that does bring up something important: Looking at the ages of the Justices, the next President will likely determine the makeup of the Supreme Court for the next few decades, in the same way Reagan did.
2014-01-06 11:35:42 PM
1 votes:

buzzcut73: Omahawg: Hillary's time on the board of directors of wal-mart and tyson make her odious to me

Yeah, I've never been very sure why the 'left' has been lining up behind somebody that was on the board of those two companies. Hell, she was on the board of Wal-Mart when they really started ramping up the pressure on suppliers to offshore their manufacturing. Just a few weeks ago she was giving a speech at Goldman Sachs saying people need to stop vilifying Wall Street.

SHE IS NOT ONE OF YOU, DESPITE THE D BEHIND HER NAME!!


It's fun to watch Hillary try to rebrand herself as a progressive. She's competent and effective, but I don't think anyone thinks for a moment that Hillary is anything more than a center-righ corporate Democrat. Anyone looking for a liberal needs to look elsewhere.
2014-01-06 11:33:16 PM
1 votes:
If he walks this talk, I think I might like this guy.
2014-01-06 11:05:00 PM
1 votes:

propasaurus: So, I've been seeing this particular bit of concern trolling lately; the 'Democrats will call you misogynist if you don't vote for Hillary, just like they called you racist for to voting for Obama' bullshiat. I guess this is the new approved talking point from the right.
They're just very concerned.


I'm a liberal and as such I converse with some feminists and I have already been called a misogynist for criticizing Hillary and I assure you the criticisms had nothing to do with her gender. There's an unfortunate subset of feminists dripping with hatred who use that term every other word and Hillary is their perfect godess who can do no wrong, and they get very angry and hurt if you try and remind them that she's a person with flaws just like the rest of us.
2014-01-06 10:59:23 PM
1 votes:

Peki: MSFT: RminusQ:
I would be perfectly happy with VP-for-life Biden. Whoever wins the nomination just keeps choosing Joe for VP until he's 85.

That would be awesome.

We should start a petition. I'm down. Biden has been able to figure out a really good role for the VP; the court jester. He can say the shiat no one else can get away with, because no one really takes him seriously. But, like when he pre-empted Obama's announcement supporting gay marriage, he can help push things along. Was it the trans am thing that really got online fundraising going? He's done spectacularly, and I think the Dems would be smart to keep running him.

/on topic: I'd be down for a Warren/Davis or Warren/Biden ticket. As much as I'd like a husband and wife President, we need to get away from dynasties for a little while.


Warren/Wyden
2014-01-06 10:15:57 PM
1 votes:
I don't want Hillary to be the candidate, not that she would be bad, but she'll be the status quo politician all over again. I prefer to get someone who's actually a liberal, even if they are too liberal to win. And really conservatives hate Hillary already. People already have preconceived opinions. I think the best chance to win in 2016 is someone a little off the radar.
2014-01-06 10:11:58 PM
1 votes:

TuteTibiImperes: I'd rather see a candidate that will speak up and say we should move to universal single payer healthcare, but otherwise his positions seem pretty good.

I'm hoping Warren runs.


Warren is nutty bananas. My  kind of nutty bananas mind you, but nutty bananas nonetheless. She can't win.

Some people are born to be Presidents, some people are born to be great legislators. Warren was born to be a great legislator, much like Ted Kennedy compared to his brothers. Does anyone think this nation wasn't better served with the Lion in the Senate rather than the White House?
2014-01-06 10:11:27 PM
1 votes:
Hillary's time on the board of directors of wal-mart and tyson make her odious to me
2014-01-06 10:08:00 PM
1 votes:

Radioactive Ass: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Doesn't the VP always get the inside track?

Cheney in 2008 sound familiar? No?

Some VP's get the inside track because that's what they came in for. Others not so much. It  can be a stepping stone but more times than not it is the highest office that they will ever get to, and that office has been famously described as being lower than a warm bucket of spit.

Biden isn't one of the ones who has a chance of being elected even with the VP spot bump. He just hasn't been all that involved publicly to get there.

\No, Fark's attempts to buy a Trans Am do not make him viable and might actually hurt him




Both Hillary and Biden will be too old and. I don't think either of them are in the best of health to make an 18 month run for the presidency. Dems and Repubs need younger blood.
2014-01-06 10:00:09 PM
1 votes:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Doesn't the VP always get the inside track?


Cheney in 2008 sound familiar? No?

Some VP's get the inside track because that's what they came in for. Others not so much. It  can be a stepping stone but more times than not it is the highest office that they will ever get to, and that office has been famously described as being lower than a warm bucket of spit.

Biden isn't one of the ones who has a chance of being elected even with the VP spot bump. He just hasn't been all that involved publicly to get there.

\No, Fark's attempts to buy a Trans Am do not make him viable and might actually hurt him
2014-01-06 09:52:03 PM
1 votes:
You know, I like this guy. He could really shake things up.

Of course, that's what I said about Obama too.

/he's still better than Hillary
2014-01-06 09:29:28 PM
1 votes:
Schweitzer is farking awesome. When he was governor, here's how he vetoed stupid bills from Republicans:

media.spokesman.com
2014-01-06 09:28:24 PM
1 votes:

CokeBear: Besides Hillary, you've got this guy (bonus, with NRA endorsement), maybe Biden and Elizabeth Warren?
I'd actually be ok with any of them.


If he actually reached past the primaries they'd pull that endorsement. Mitt got the NRA endorsement because he was a Republican.
2014-01-06 09:16:08 PM
1 votes:
Besides Hillary, you've got this guy (bonus, with NRA endorsement), maybe Biden and Elizabeth Warren?
I'd actually be ok with any of them.
2014-01-06 09:01:27 PM
1 votes:

nekom: MrBallou:
How old are you? They went nutballs on her when Bill was President. They've been scared shiatless of the possibility of her becoming President since she was First Lady.

Our local right wing radio nut (who just recently got canned) hated her perhaps moreso than he hated Bill.  Some of that crap sticks too.  I STILL have a certain distaste for her, even though I couldn't tell you why.  I probably agree with her on a lot of things, and would probably vote for her anyway unless the GOP fields a reasonable candidate (unlikely), but I still don't "like" her.  I think it's just the decades of attacks.


Well I would never vote GOP but Hillary and Tipper Gore back in the day worried me with stuff they were saying about video games and music. IIRC Hillary kept it up in the senate.
2014-01-06 08:52:03 PM
1 votes:

Boxcutta: Great! It's the pro NRA Republican Democrat progressives have been clamoring for.


In 2006-2008 these were the exact type of Democrats that Howard Dean recruited and used to thrash the GOP.
2014-01-06 08:41:46 PM
1 votes:

HMS_Blinkin: Warren as VP would be a total waste of her immense talents.  She needs to either cultivate her power in the Senate, or be President.


And she's already said she's not running for POTUS in 2016.

I'd like to see her as President or on the Supreme Court. The arguments between her an Scalia would be epic.
2014-01-06 08:37:55 PM
1 votes:

Fark It: /Schweitzer/Warren/Warren/Schweitzer 2016


Warren as VP would be a total waste of her immense talents.  She needs to either cultivate her power in the Senate, or be President.
2014-01-06 08:34:34 PM
1 votes:

meat0918: She's not running.


I agree.  She's out there being a lightning rod and keeping the GOP's guns trained on her rather than whoever the real candidate will be.
2014-01-06 08:33:34 PM
1 votes:
Fark it. Just about anyone with a (D) beside their name has my vote.
2014-01-06 08:32:24 PM
1 votes:
A black guy? Sure.
A woman? Maybe.

But I'm not sure that America is ready to elect an actual liberal yet.
2014-01-06 08:26:39 PM
1 votes:
RminusQ:
I would be perfectly happy with VP-for-life Biden. Whoever wins the nomination just keeps choosing Joe for VP until he's 85.

I could get on board with that.  He's experienced, free from any significant scandal, and makes the odd hilarious gaffe.  What's not to like?  I just don't see him as a viable POTUS candidate.  But then about this time last cycle, we all knew it was going to be Hillary v 9iu11ani so who knows.
2014-01-06 08:19:52 PM
1 votes:
I don't know about this whole Hilary 2016 thing. I mean, yeah, she's built herself a Presidential-sounding resume, but she has two things going against her: age and a giant-assed target on her back.

It's not just that she'd be the second-oldest ever to take the oath (and the 5th oldest ever period), it's that the office ages the fark out of people, even more so when you're talking about someone who would have the added stress of being the first female president of the US.  That's not exactly something that would be easy for anyone to take, let alone someone who'd be three months past 69.

Now add to that by  imagining just how monumentally the entire right, sexist pricks and a good chunk of the moderate left would freak the fark out if Hilary ran.  Hell, as we speak there are probably people in obscure county records offices digging through records looking for dirt on her.  There are entire corners of the internet with giant shrines to their hatred of her.  We would easily see the dirtiest campaign in decades being run against her by everyone, possibly (but hopefully not) including the other candidates themselves.

Any sane person would probably literally go on national television and radio just to literally say "fark that" to the entire idea.
2014-01-06 08:19:02 PM
1 votes:

meat0918: I have a problem voting for her in the primary, mostly because she should have left her serial philandering husband decades ago. And I like Bill.

I don't understand the "Stand by your man" mindset from her generation.


You're naive if you think they had anything other than a political marriage, like the Underwoods in House of Cards.
2014-01-06 08:08:28 PM
1 votes:
So, I've been seeing this particular bit of concern trolling lately; the 'Democrats will call you misogynist if you don't vote for Hillary, just like they called you racist for to voting for Obama' bullshiat. I guess this is the new approved talking point from the right.
They're just very concerned.
2014-01-06 08:07:53 PM
1 votes:
I voted for her in the primary. My sons and husband voted for Obama. Now we've got so many good candidates, Martin from Maryland, Hillary, Uncle Joe,    we've got lots of good candidates.
2014-01-06 08:04:13 PM
1 votes:

unyon: TuteTibiImperes: I'd rather see a candidate that will speak up and say we should move to universal single payer healthcare, but otherwise his positions seem pretty good.

FTFA: "The second thing is, you say to every citizen in the United States, now you have the option to buy into Medicare"

Single payer, medicare-for-all?  Sounds like exactly like what you're suggesting.


It sounds like the public option which was originally part of the ACA before the Democrats bargained it away.  It would be a nice step, but it's not really universal single payer.

I want a system where everyone has the same coverage, everything aside from vanity cosmetic surgeries is covered free of charge, and it's all paid out of tax revenue (I realize this would require a tax hike, I'm fine with that, I'll pay more in taxes to get that).
2014-01-06 07:46:29 PM
1 votes:
Cagey B:  "personal nuclear armaments are protected by the Second Amendment" stance of the NRA

Citation needed

And since he's a Democrat, he's somewhat more likely to not be as much of a dickhole about people who make the unfortunate choice to not be white.
It was a more a comment on your idiotic view of politics than anything else. I hope this has been enlightening for you.


Since he's not Hillary Clinton, supporting him will make you a sexist, misogynistic asshole when the time comes.  You wait and see.  The left's monied, corporate interests (yes, they have them) do not want a guy like this to be President, and they'll use his pro-gun credentials against him, his skin color, Montana residency, and foreign policy views (fark Afghanistan, we should withdraw), to paint him as a closeted Libertarian, quasi-racist DINO.  Hillary Clinton makes (some of) the left croon, despite being a Wall Street Democrat who had an average run at Sec State (she left right before the Snowden fallout and before our deal with Iran).

/Schweitzer/Warren/Warren/Schweitzer 2016
//Say no to the Wall Street Democrats
2014-01-06 07:31:29 PM
1 votes:

Fark It: Cagey B: Fark It: I hope the media doesn't Ron Paul him though, his centrist credentials and NRA endorsement could be used to Tea Party him in the primaries, and he's a white guy so he's not going to be able to really pander to the identity politics-minded Democrats.

I see. The Democrats should value the NRA more, and anything that might matter to those pesky minorities is "identity politics" and should be ignored. Thanks for your concern.

Also, Ron Paul was f*cking insane. That had nothing to do with the media.

Case in point.


Of what, exactly? He seems fairly intelligent in the interview, meaning that if he were to run for president, he would probably not adopt the "personal nuclear armaments are protected by the Second Amendment" stance of the NRA. And since he's a Democrat, he's somewhat more likely to not be as much of a dickhole about people who make the unfortunate choice to not be white.

It was a more a comment on your idiotic view of politics than anything else. I hope this has been enlightening for you.
2014-01-06 07:29:48 PM
1 votes:

MrBallou: skinnycatullus: I love that guy. I hope Clinton doesn't even run (yeah, I know, no chance of that happening). But I do not look forward to being accused of misogyny when I don't support her in the primaries. And I'm afraid the fact that I can name half a dozen OTHER women I'd be delighted to support won't shield me from those accusations.

I think Hils would have been a good President, but 21 years of continuous character assignation by the Right has left her with way too much accumulated damage. I would dread a campaign season with her as the target. They've had decades to set up all sorts of anti-Hillary attacks. Better to start with somebody fresh.


They went nutballs with a black president. Electing a female Clinton president would cause absolute pandemonium for 4-8 years.
2014-01-06 07:17:57 PM
1 votes:

Fark It: I hope the media doesn't Ron Paul him though, his centrist credentials and NRA endorsement could be used to Tea Party him in the primaries, and he's a white guy so he's not going to be able to really pander to the identity politics-minded Democrats.


I see. The Democrats should value the NRA more, and anything that might matter to those pesky minorities is "identity politics" and should be ignored. Thanks for your concern.

Also, Ron Paul was f*cking insane. That had nothing to do with the media.
2014-01-06 07:13:12 PM
1 votes:
Schweitzer turned to the camera. "It helps to tape the federal ID card onto the clay pigeon," he said with a chuckle. "Gives me motivation."

Well, there's two points scored with the right, if they're honest about it.
2014-01-06 07:10:07 PM
1 votes:
She's not running.

Let's get through the 2014 primaries and general before we start worrying about this crap.
jbc [TotalFark]
2014-01-06 06:50:18 PM
1 votes:
Does anyone want to predict the inevitable date when someone on the lunatic right declares him to be "the most liberal governor in history"?
2014-01-06 06:47:38 PM
1 votes:

timujin: skinnycatullus: I love that guy. I hope Clinton doesn't even run (yeah, I know, no chance of that happening). But I do not look forward to being accused of misogyny when I don't support her in the primaries. And I'm afraid the fact that I can name half a dozen OTHER women I'd be delighted to support won't shield me from those accusations.

Isn't she still saying she's not running?


Probably, but I haven't heard anyone who actually believes her. I think she'd be wise not to if she cares about how history regards her. Her stint as Sec of State left her pretty popular, with most people thinking she handled it well. Chances of that popularity surviving another bitter campaign and a presidential tenure in the toxic atmosphere that is DC these days are pretty farking slim.
2014-01-06 06:35:59 PM
1 votes:

Benevolent Misanthrope: If Edward Snowden is a criminal, then so are a lot of people that are working within the CIA and the NSA who have been spying illegally on American citizens. They ought to grant Snowden clemency.


He does realize that the government spying part isn't why Snowden is an alleged criminal, right?
2014-01-06 06:31:37 PM
1 votes:
I love that guy. I hope Clinton doesn't even run (yeah, I know, no chance of that happening). But I do not look forward to being accused of misogyny when I don't support her in the primaries. And I'm afraid the fact that I can name half a dozen OTHER women I'd be delighted to support won't shield me from those accusations.
2014-01-06 06:30:09 PM
1 votes:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Doesn't the VP always get the inside track?


I don't think anyone seriously thinks Biden is going to run.
2014-01-06 06:20:56 PM
1 votes:
www.esquire.com
I wouldn't be surprised to see a progressive Democrat with a history of cooperation with Republicans run.
 
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