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2014-01-07 12:39:39 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: zeroman987: as a pinko commie liberal welfare state leech etc etc, he has my vote.

Well I can't go that far but I do wanna hear more from him. I've often thought the Dems should ( and I thought were for the most part) on limiting the 2nd amendment, and no one cares about the 4th anymore and looks like Utah is challenging the 14th. I'd rather not lose any rights I would however like to gain equal rights finally. So yeA lot's of times I've had to vote for people that don't understand the 2nd.


I'd personally like to see someone address income inequality first and foremost. After that we can work on the other problems, many of which will solve themselves once income inequality is addressed. Less poverty = less crime = less "need" for cops to violate the 4th. And fewer people will want to exercise their 2nd when there are fewer criminals to protect against.

Utah's gonna lose the battle over the 14th, even in front of the Supremes. They'll find some way of chucking it back to the lower court like they did with the Cali case.

But that does bring up something important: Looking at the ages of the Justices, the next President will likely determine the makeup of the Supreme Court for the next few decades, in the same way Reagan did.
 
2014-01-07 12:40:36 AM  

nekom: MrBallou:
How old are you? They went nutballs on her when Bill was President. They've been scared shiatless of the possibility of her becoming President since she was First Lady.

Our local right wing radio nut (who just recently got canned) hated her perhaps moreso than he hated Bill.  Some of that crap sticks too.  I STILL have a certain distaste for her, even though I couldn't tell you why.  I probably agree with her on a lot of things, and would probably vote for her anyway unless the GOP fields a reasonable candidate (unlikely), but I still don't "like" her.  I think it's just the decades of attacks.


Wow, that is some weird honesty there-

"I don't know why I don't like her, I guess it is just because I have been told not to like her"

I am pretty speechless.

Maybe you should think about it some more and make up your own mind.
 
2014-01-07 12:41:57 AM  

Wake Up Sheeple: Anyone running for a political office who says "I don't trust politicians" is not fit for office. Since he's a former governor who's saying this now, I'd say he needs a mental health check-up.

/Why would I vote for someone who just told me not to trust him?


It's working great for Tea Partiers who say government doesn't work.
 
2014-01-07 12:43:58 AM  

ox45tallboy: OrangeFree: Some people are born to be Presidents, some people are born to be great legislators. Warren was born to be a great legislator, much like Ted Kennedy compared to his brothers. Does anyone think this nation wasn't better served with the Lion in the Senate rather than the White House?

Actually, I think we were best served when he was anywhere other than his car.


giggle...snort, so true.
 
2014-01-07 12:49:54 AM  

ox45tallboy: tinfoil-hat maggie: zeroman987: as a pinko commie liberal welfare state leech etc etc, he has my vote.

Well I can't go that far but I do wanna hear more from him. I've often thought the Dems should ( and I thought were for the most part) on limiting the 2nd amendment, and no one cares about the 4th anymore and looks like Utah is challenging the 14th. I'd rather not lose any rights I would however like to gain equal rights finally. So yeA lot's of times I've had to vote for people that don't understand the 2nd.

I'd personally like to see someone address income inequality first and foremost. After that we can work on the other problems, many of which will solve themselves once income inequality is addressed. Less poverty = less crime = less "need" for cops to violate the 4th. And fewer people will want to exercise their 2nd when there are fewer criminals to protect against.

Utah's gonna lose the battle over the 14th, even in front of the Supremes. They'll find some way of chucking it back to the lower court like they did with the Cali case.

But that does bring up something important: Looking at the ages of the Justices, the next President will likely determine the makeup of the Supreme Court for the next few decades, in the same way Reagan did.


I Utah brigs it to them they can't punt for lack of standing. It will be Lawrence v. Texas. I think they just want a truly solid case before them that can't get kicked by a later mcourt and on this I don't blame them. Either way almost half the country is gonna be pissed.
 
2014-01-07 01:15:40 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: ox45tallboy: OrangeFree: Some people are born to be Presidents, some people are born to be great legislators. Warren was born to be a great legislator, much like Ted Kennedy compared to his brothers. Does anyone think this nation wasn't better served with the Lion in the Senate rather than the White House?

Actually, I think we were best served when he was anywhere other than his car.

giggle...snort, so true.


Hey, I sent you an email yesterday. Check it when you get a minute.
 
2014-01-07 01:19:42 AM  

EyeballKid: [www.esquire.com image 300x400]
I wouldn't be surprised to see a progressive Democrat with a history of cooperation with Republicans run.


I think Feingold is done attempting to run for anything. He was always the type that he'd serve however long he'd serve and then he'd leave.

It's always the good ones that leave too soon. The crappy ones you basically have to jail to get rid of them.
 
2014-01-07 01:31:19 AM  

Fark It: It's kind of shocking to hear this coming from someone who was a Senator.  I can see a Rep saying something like that.  But a Senate Democrat?


Schweitzer was never a U.S. Senator. He lost a Senate bid in 2000, then became the (very popular) Governor of Montana. He most likely could have succeeded Baucus in the Senate in 2012, but said "fark that".
 
2014-01-07 01:32:39 AM  

ox45tallboy: tinfoil-hat maggie: ox45tallboy: OrangeFree: Some people are born to be Presidents, some people are born to be great legislators. Warren was born to be a great legislator, much like Ted Kennedy compared to his brothers. Does anyone think this nation wasn't better served with the Lion in the Senate rather than the White House?

Actually, I think we were best served when he was anywhere other than his car.

giggle...snort, so true.

Hey, I sent you an email yesterday. Check it when you get a minute.


From the ox45tallboy address in profile? I didn't see it.

/Opps, I somehow deleted it with out looking at it and well... I was really bad this last weekend and I do worry because I don't remember all of it and that's not good.
//Anyway I found it and I'll read it and let you know when I can read it with a clear head.
/Oh and it's just I went way overboard with drinking nothing weirder than than that.
 
2014-01-07 01:39:32 AM  

Omahawg: meanwhile, the republican contenders so far....
[sweatygirl.net image 850x455]


Except they're ALL Dopey and Grumpy.
 
2014-01-07 01:45:12 AM  
Hitlery! Hitlery! Hitlery!
 
2014-01-07 01:45:29 AM  

The Lizard People: Omahawg: meanwhile, the republican contenders so far....
[sweatygirl.net image 850x455]

Except they're ALL Dopey and Grumpy.


www.humanevents.com
"Who am I? Do I get to be Doc? I wanna be Doc!"

 
m00
2014-01-07 01:53:56 AM  
I like this guy a lot.
 
2014-01-07 01:56:00 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: ox45tallboy: tinfoil-hat maggie: ox45tallboy: OrangeFree: Some people are born to be Presidents, some people are born to be great legislators. Warren was born to be a great legislator, much like Ted Kennedy compared to his brothers. Does anyone think this nation wasn't better served with the Lion in the Senate rather than the White House?

Actually, I think we were best served when he was anywhere other than his car.

giggle...snort, so true.

Hey, I sent you an email yesterday. Check it when you get a minute.

From the ox45tallboy address in profile? I didn't see it.

/Opps, I somehow deleted it with out looking at it and well... I was really bad this last weekend and I do worry because I don't remember all of it and that's not good.
//Anyway I found it and I'll read it and let you know when I can read it with a clear head.
/Oh and it's just I went way overboard with drinking nothing weirder than than that.


if you would have been really, really bad you would have taken a camera along :(
 
2014-01-07 02:11:44 AM  
I'm voting Witch-King of Angmar this year, so it doesn't really matter.

Morgul/Cthulhu 2016
 
2014-01-07 02:13:42 AM  

Omahawg: tinfoil-hat maggie: ox45tallboy: tinfoil-hat maggie: ox45tallboy: OrangeFree: Some people are born to be Presidents, some people are born to be great legislators. Warren was born to be a great legislator, much like Ted Kennedy compared to his brothers. Does anyone think this nation wasn't better served with the Lion in the Senate rather than the White House?

Actually, I think we were best served when he was anywhere other than his car.

giggle...snort, so true.

Hey, I sent you an email yesterday. Check it when you get a minute.

From the ox45tallboy address in profile? I didn't see it.

/Opps, I somehow deleted it with out looking at it and well... I was really bad this last weekend and I do worry because I don't remember all of it and that's not good.
//Anyway I found it and I'll read it and let you know when I can read it with a clear head.
/Oh and it's just I went way overboard with drinking nothing weirder than than that.

if you would have been really, really bad you would have taken a camera along :(


Uh oh, I haven't checked what pics are on my camera currently.... I just know for a bit I posted here for a bit and do not remember it. I did wake up in my own bed at least so I guess that's something.
 
2014-01-07 02:14:59 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: Omahawg: tinfoil-hat maggie: ox45tallboy: tinfoil-hat maggie: ox45tallboy: OrangeFree: Some people are born to be Presidents, some people are born to be great legislators. Warren was born to be a great legislator, much like Ted Kennedy compared to his brothers. Does anyone think this nation wasn't better served with the Lion in the Senate rather than the White House?

Actually, I think we were best served when he was anywhere other than his car.

giggle...snort, so true.

Hey, I sent you an email yesterday. Check it when you get a minute.

From the ox45tallboy address in profile? I didn't see it.

/Opps, I somehow deleted it with out looking at it and well... I was really bad this last weekend and I do worry because I don't remember all of it and that's not good.
//Anyway I found it and I'll read it and let you know when I can read it with a clear head.
/Oh and it's just I went way overboard with drinking nothing weirder than than that.

if you would have been really, really bad you would have taken a camera along :(

Uh oh, I haven't checked what pics are on my camera currently.... I just know for a bit I posted here for a bit and do not remember it. I did wake up in my own bed at least so I guess that's something.


better than your front yard in only your underwear

or not, depending :)
 
2014-01-07 02:15:12 AM  

Gyrfalcon: I'm voting Witch-King of Angmar this year, so it doesn't really matter.

Morgul/Cthulhu 2016


What election is that I wanna vote too ; )
 
2014-01-07 02:16:50 AM  

tbeatty: Geez, I can't believe the Democrat clown car mad such an early appearance.  Clint is going to need a theater of empty seats.


Because that worked so well last time.
 
2014-01-07 02:18:16 AM  

Omahawg: better than your front yard in only your underwear

or not, depending :)


I plead the 5th. Or I cannot recall....
 
2014-01-07 02:39:58 AM  

EyeballKid: I wouldn't be surprised to see a progressive Democrat with a history of cooperation with Republicans run.


He won't. I wish he would. He stood up against the un-Patriot Act. He's reasonably principled, for a politician. Most of all, he's not a legacy.

/Wish Hillary wouldn't run.
//I don't want dynasties
 
2014-01-07 02:41:02 AM  
I'm not a democrat and I don't want to vote for any of the current members of the GOP freak show, or Hillary. Warren is too far left for me, and she's honestly unelectable at the national level anyway (deal with it). So considering all that, this guy seems pretty cool, someone I'd definitely consider throwing a meaningless red state vote at.
 
2014-01-07 03:11:26 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: //And Kerry wow they still didn't want to win, hell I can't remember his running mate of the top of my head that how memorable he must of been.


I think it was Edwards. There's a reason he's not mentioned much anymore.

Almost Everybody Poops: Not to rain on everyone's parade, but the cynical side of me is reminded of how liberal Obama was in the 2008 campaign.

Sometimes it doesn't matter your policies during a campaign, but the realities you uncover when you're elected.


This. That's why I generally give Obama the benefit of the doubt even on the things he's farked up (NDAA for example). There's got to be something he's seeing behind the scenes that made him go from what he was spouting off prior to being elected and what he's going for now. A lot of that can be placed on the do-nothing Congress, but it seems to me that the man looks like he's had to have a couple conversations with himself about what he'd like to have done versus what he could reasonably get done.

I can't wait for his memoirs. I want to hear what happened to the bright-eyed, naive community organizer and turned him into what sometimes is a very obviously tired man.

/not that I blame him in the slightest. It's probably the most difficult job in the world.
 
2014-01-07 03:17:31 AM  

Cagey B: Fark It: I hope the media doesn't Ron Paul him though, his centrist credentials and NRA endorsement could be used to Tea Party him in the primaries, and he's a white guy so he's not going to be able to really pander to the identity politics-minded Democrats.

I see. The Democrats should value the NRA more, and anything that might matter to those pesky minorities is "identity politics" and should be ignored. Thanks for your concern.

Also, Ron Paul was f*cking insane. That had nothing to do with the media.


This is why liberals can't be historians. Someone always needs to be offended.
 
2014-01-07 03:22:54 AM  

rorgus: This is why liberals can't be historians. Someone always needs to be offended.


So is that the only lie you tell yourself to maintain your bias or are there many?
 
2014-01-07 03:23:13 AM  

ox45tallboy: And fewer people will want to exercise their 2nd when there are fewer criminals to protect against.


Haaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
 
2014-01-07 03:28:59 AM  
The election is still MORE THAN TWO YEARS AWAY!
 
2014-01-07 03:34:30 AM  

ox45tallboy: meat0918: Fark It: meat0918: I have a problem voting for her in the primary, mostly because she should have left her serial philandering husband decades ago. And I like Bill.

I don't understand the "Stand by your man" mindset from her generation.

You're naive if you think they had anything other than a political marriage, like the Underwoods in House of Cards.

Haven't seen it, but that's what it seemed like once their marriage was in the public eye.  I'm sure it started out well intentioned enough, and based on love rather than political ambitions, but I'm a bit of a dreamer.

I'm pretty sure this is not what a marriage for the purpose of political ambitions looks like.

[img15.nnm.ru image 470x462]


The problem is Bill wasn't satisfied keeping his extra curricular activities within the confines of their swinging.

What's that? You didn't know the Clintons were swingers? Oh! well, take a look at this pic taken just moments before things got fa-reaky on the Hillary for senate tour bus back in the day!

i.imgur.com


See that look on Bill's face? He banged Tipper like a drum that night!

/Then Hillary
//Then Tipper again while she and Hillary 69'd
///Al only got oral but was just glad to be involved somewhere
 
2014-01-07 03:43:55 AM  

Peki: There's got to be something he's seeing behind the scenes that made him go from what he was spouting off prior to being elected and what he's going for now.


You have a man crush, we get it.
 
m00
2014-01-07 03:47:07 AM  

Peki: There's got to be something he's seeing behind the scenes that made him go from what he was spouting off prior to being elected and what he's going for now.


money? (im a cynic)
 
2014-01-07 03:55:06 AM  

beer4breakfast: Peki: There's got to be something he's seeing behind the scenes that made him go from what he was spouting off prior to being elected and what he's going for now.

You have a man crush, we get it.


*shakes head* I'm female. I realize I'm bi, and generally dig teh boobies, but Obama's not that bad looking. I'm spoken for, though, and he's not so good looking as to make him a marital exception.

m00: Peki: There's got to be something he's seeing behind the scenes that made him go from what he was spouting off prior to being elected and what he's going for now.

money? (im a cynic)


Doesn't explain the physical exhaustion signs. I don't think someone bought looks that ill at ease (until he gets caught, but I'm not sure Obama's ever been close). Plus, he's not really gotten much done (aside from win elections)! Why would anyone give him money?
 
2014-01-07 04:24:08 AM  

OneBrightMonkey: I wish the senate were 50 Bernie Sanders and 50 Elizabeth Warrens.


I want to have your bright monkey babies in this shining happy land you speak of.
 
2014-01-07 04:31:05 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: Gyrfalcon: I'm voting Witch-King of Angmar this year, so it doesn't really matter.

Morgul/Cthulhu 2016

What election is that I wanna vote too ; )


The Evil party. Why not just go ahead and have one, admit it up front, and elect the most full-on sinister, depraved demi-gods one can find? Just go straight to the sub-basement and dwell there.
 
2014-01-07 04:53:22 AM  

Fark It: meat0918: I have a problem voting for her in the primary, mostly because she should have left her serial philandering husband decades ago. And I like Bill.

I don't understand the "Stand by your man" mindset from her generation.

You're naive if you think they had anything other than a political marriage, like the Underwoods in House of Cards.


Did we watch the same House of Cards?
 
2014-01-07 04:58:54 AM  

Boxcutta: Great! It's the pro NRA Republican Democrat progressives have been clamoring for.


Well you see, he seems to represent the CIVIL libertarian and anti-corporate/establishment liberals, you know the people that were so damn pissed during the Bush White House. Nothing he said was republican in nature, other than the gun thing. Liberals like that are also more left wing than people like Clinton since they are inherently anti corporate and Wall Street.
 
2014-01-07 06:13:13 AM  
Electing Hillary after eight years of Obama would be to conservatives like what electing McCain after eight years of Bush Jr. would have been to liberals
 
2014-01-07 06:50:14 AM  

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: Electing Hillary after eight years of Obama would be to conservatives like what electing McCain after eight years of Bush Jr. would have been to liberals


i18.photobucket.com
I heartily agree!
 
2014-01-07 07:57:44 AM  
I hate to say it, but the Republican will win.

Their base is whipped into too much of a frenzy over Obama, and the Democratic base isn't particularly motivated right now.

We've got four years of absolute hell coming out way, folks. It's gonna suck.

My biggest concern is what these aholes do to the internet. As soon as the criminal scum element is totally in control, net neutrality will go out the window, and something like SOPA will be quickly approved.

Damnit.
 
2014-01-07 08:10:10 AM  
doczoidberg
My biggest concern is what these aholes do to the internet. As soon as the criminal scum element is totally in control, net neutrality will go out the window, and something like SOPA will be quickly approved.

Our math is stronger. With a little bit of elbow grease, the hackers still run the Internet.
 
2014-01-07 08:14:07 AM  

olderbudnoweiser: Some US Senator (looking at you, Al Franken) needs to snatch Sweitzer up by his bolo tie and tell him to stop being such a big fat idiot. HE NEEDS TO WIN THE BAUCUS SEAT! Tell Harry to let the shmuck bring his dang dog to the Senate floor if need be... But, come on! The man knows he's a win for the Dems!


images1.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2014-01-07 08:24:29 AM  
I don't adhere to any particular political party, but I can almost guarantee that I'll be voting for Hillary in 2016.
 
2014-01-07 08:36:34 AM  
I like Schweitzer but his 2012 DNC speech was really underwhelming. Don't know if he has the charisma to get much traction in the primaries.
 
2014-01-07 08:45:18 AM  

Imperialism: I like Schweitzer but his 2012 DNC speech was really underwhelming. Don't know if he has the charisma to get much traction in the primaries.


Oh, no! He sucks on TV. We can't possibly vote for him.

Besides, Bubba his own bad self stunk out the joint in his first prime-time convention speech back in '88. He turned out okay, did he not?

Imagine a moderate Democrat with (Bill) Clinton's skills but no pointless character flaws, drama or entitled dynastic bullshiat.
 
2014-01-07 08:49:59 AM  
Oh, I get it. A Tea-Party Democrat. Good luck with that one.
 
2014-01-07 09:00:12 AM  
Why anyone in their right mind would vote for Hillary for president of the United States is beyond me. After the way she handled Benghazi, would you want her handling the entire country that same way? I would not.
 
2014-01-07 09:18:57 AM  

RanDomino: doczoidberg
My biggest concern is what these aholes do to the internet. As soon as the criminal scum element is totally in control, net neutrality will go out the window, and something like SOPA will be quickly approved.

Our math is stronger. With a little bit of elbow grease, the hackers still run the Internet.


Plus we can read polls that haven't been unskewed.
 
2014-01-07 09:22:58 AM  

Pick: Why anyone in their right mind would vote for Hillary for president of the United States is beyond me. After the way she handled Benghazi, would you want her handling the entire country that same way? I would not.


Because they are going to be confronted with the GOP's idea of an alternative - just like the last two times.
If they would knock it off with the preachers, inbred aristocrats, and deluded corporate pirates, a person in their right mind might consider NOT voting for Clinton in '16.
 
2014-01-07 09:23:06 AM  

Fark It: this coming from someone who was a Senator.


Reading comprehension much? TFA states Schweitzer is not going to run for the open senate seat. He is a former Governor, not a Senator. Everything I know of him indicates he would have said the same thing if he had been a Senator, but the fact remains that he was never a Senator.
 
2014-01-07 09:25:56 AM  

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: Electing Hillary after eight years of Obama would be to conservatives like what electing McCain after eight years of Bush Jr. would have been to liberals


Yeah, that.

I haven't heard it put so succinctly, nicely done.
 
2014-01-07 09:38:47 AM  

Pick: Benghazi


*chug*
 
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