If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(Slate)   Are you a Democrat but don't really want to vote for Hillary in 2016? Meet her most likely primary challenger   (slate.com) divider line 218
    More: Spiffy, Brian Schweitzer, Democrats, Keystone Kops, Saudi royal family, national pastime, Baucus, The Iranian, domestic spying  
•       •       •

9138 clicks; posted to Politics » on 06 Jan 2014 at 8:31 PM (38 weeks ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



218 Comments   (+0 »)
   
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | » | Last | Show all
 
2014-01-06 10:14:38 PM
I'd like to see him debate Christie on the big stage.  Something about the way they both approach things makes me think it would be a popcorn-and-beer-required event.
 
2014-01-06 10:15:57 PM
I don't want Hillary to be the candidate, not that she would be bad, but she'll be the status quo politician all over again. I prefer to get someone who's actually a liberal, even if they are too liberal to win. And really conservatives hate Hillary already. People already have preconceived opinions. I think the best chance to win in 2016 is someone a little off the radar.
 
2014-01-06 10:17:04 PM

meat0918: Haven't seen it


Imagine The Wire but more morally bankrupt.
 
2014-01-06 10:17:19 PM

Oh-Blonde-One: I'd like to see him debate Christie on the big stage.


It would be more entertaining on a little stage. Or maybe they can fight over a podium.
 
2014-01-06 10:19:02 PM
Should we be concerning ourselves with the 2017 Super Bowl, too?
 
2014-01-06 10:22:14 PM
meanwhile, the republican contenders so far....
sweatygirl.net
 
2014-01-06 10:24:27 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: Should we be concerning ourselves with the 2017 Super Bowl, too?


My employee ID badge expires in January, 2016. I'm almost beside myself with worry.
 
2014-01-06 10:25:24 PM

zeroman987: as a pinko commie liberal welfare state leech etc etc, he has my vote.


Well I can't go that far but I do wanna hear more from him. I've often thought the Dems should ( and I thought were for the most part) on limiting the 2nd amendment, and no one cares about the 4th anymore and looks like Utah is challenging the 14th. I'd rather not lose any rights I would however like to gain equal rights finally. So yeA lot's of times I've had to vote for people that don't understand the 2nd.
 
2014-01-06 10:26:18 PM

Radioactive Ass: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Doesn't the VP always get the inside track?

Cheney in 2008 sound familiar? No?

Some VP's get the inside track because that's what they came in for. Others not so much. It  can be a stepping stone but more times than not it is the highest office that they will ever get to, and that office has been famously described as being lower than a warm bucket of spit.

Biden isn't one of the ones who has a chance of being elected even with the VP spot bump. He just hasn't been all that involved publicly to get there.

\No, Fark's attempts to buy a Trans Am do not make him viable and might actually hurt him


Cheney said hell no well before W's second run. There were Republicans calling for W not to run with Cheney just so some up and comer could get some VP credentials and have a stronger chance to get the big job.

Biden has already ran for President and we all know he wants the job. Joe isn't going to sit this one out.
 
2014-01-06 10:27:36 PM

OrangeFree: TuteTibiImperes: I'd rather see a candidate that will speak up and say we should move to universal single payer healthcare, but otherwise his positions seem pretty good.

I'm hoping Warren runs.

Warren is nutty bananas. My  kind of nutty bananas mind you, but nutty bananas nonetheless. She can't win.


I think it will really depend on who wins the GOP ticket.  If the last gasp of the tea party is pushing through Cruz, or even better, Santorum, the Democrats could run pretty much anyone and still run away with it.
 
2014-01-06 10:30:45 PM
Holy shiat I like this guy. He seems unafraid of real talk which is extremely refreshing. I don't exactly agree with everything he's saying but I do agree with a bunch of it. Somehow methinks the corporations will not allow someone like this to get above 10% polling numbers though.
 
2014-01-06 10:32:28 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: zeroman987: as a pinko commie liberal welfare state leech etc etc, he has my vote.

Well I can't go that far but I do wanna hear more from him. I've often thought the Dems should ( and I thought were for the most part) on limiting the 2nd amendment, and no one cares about the 4th anymore and looks like Utah is challenging the 14th. I'd rather not lose any rights I would however like to gain equal rights finally. So yeA lot's of times I've had to vote for people that don't understand the 2nd.



I am still waiting for a clever tea party person (wait, I know what everyone will be falling over themselves to say, but hear me out) show up with a sign advocating 22ndAmendment solutions.
 
2014-01-06 10:33:31 PM

Omahawg: Hillary's time on the board of directors of wal-mart and tyson make her odious to me


I didn't know she had be damn... she really doesn't need to run to secure a place of her own in History. If she truly is the bet of the primary line up well I'll hold my nose and vote for her but dammit if she runs just to because she 'earned" it or it's "her time" and not for the good of country and party well. Hell look what Ted Kennedy did when he ran.
 
2014-01-06 10:35:18 PM

Snarfangel: tinfoil-hat maggie: zeroman987: as a pinko commie liberal welfare state leech etc etc, he has my vote.

Well I can't go that far but I do wanna hear more from him. I've often thought the Dems should ( and I thought were for the most part) on limiting the 2nd amendment, and no one cares about the 4th anymore and looks like Utah is challenging the 14th. I'd rather not lose any rights I would however like to gain equal rights finally. So yeA lot's of times I've had to vote for people that don't understand the 2nd.


I am still waiting for a clever tea party person (wait, I know what everyone will be falling over themselves to say, but hear me out) show up with a sign advocating 22ndAmendment solutions.


giggle snort ; )
 
2014-01-06 10:44:14 PM

namatad: My guess is that she could still beat the generic GOP candidate, and certainly would beat any of the candidates from the previous two elections.


romney with a democratic congress would have been ok. obama with a republican congress would have been a disaster.
 
2014-01-06 10:44:54 PM
Weigel hopes this in much the same way certain Farkers hope Bachmann will run again.
 
2014-01-06 10:50:27 PM

DeaH: Weigel hopes this in much the same way certain Farkers hope Bachmann will run again.


A Schweitzer candidacy will give Slate a little Wiegel room.
 
2014-01-06 10:50:48 PM

Curious: namatad: My guess is that she could still beat the generic GOP candidate, and certainly would beat any of the candidates from the previous two elections.

romney with a democratic congress would have been ok. obama with a republican congress would have been a disaster.


I can't see how it could have been any more of a cluster than what we've had since '10.  Even with the Republicans in control of only half of Congress they've managed to stall all forward momentum whilst dancing around like a bunch of monkeys with tabasco on their dicks.
 
2014-01-06 10:51:06 PM

skinnycatullus: Probably, but I haven't heard anyone who actually believes her. I think she'd be wise not to if she cares about how history regards her. Her stint as Sec of State left her pretty popular, with most people thinking she handled it well.


History generally doesn't remember Secretaries of State, but I see your point. I tend to believe her, I don't think she'll run or at least run long. She'll put some floaters out there and play the game a bit, but I think she's done.

In truth, she's lousy at it (the campaigning part). People might forget how nasty she was in the 2008 elections. I'm about as libby-libtard as they come and I wouldn't vote for her then. She was also quite the Chickenhawk in the Iraq War days, and some people haven't forgotten that. And technically, it's Biden's slot if he wants it (which is a long shot).

FriarReb98: We would easily see the dirtiest campaign in decades being run against her by everyone, possibly (but hopefully not) including the other candidates themselves.


Let's not forget how dirty ol Hills can and will be. If she would have found the remotest truth about Obama being Kenyan/Mooslim gay sharia guy, she would have squealed louder than Ned Beatty. Simply put, she couldn't find much dirt on him (which is why the GOP had to make up so much). It's almost a compliment as the Dems have been wimpy in the past, particularly Kerry letting the Swift Boat hilljacks step all over him. Hillary pulled all sorts of shenanagins in New Hampshire and Iowa.
 
2014-01-06 10:56:04 PM

MSFT: RminusQ:
I would be perfectly happy with VP-for-life Biden. Whoever wins the nomination just keeps choosing Joe for VP until he's 85.

That would be awesome.


We should start a petition. I'm down. Biden has been able to figure out a really good role for the VP; the court jester. He can say the shiat no one else can get away with, because no one really takes him seriously. But, like when he pre-empted Obama's announcement supporting gay marriage, he can help push things along. Was it the trans am thing that really got online fundraising going? He's done spectacularly, and I think the Dems would be smart to keep running him.

/on topic: I'd be down for a Warren/Davis or Warren/Biden ticket. As much as I'd like a husband and wife President, we need to get away from dynasties for a little while.
 
2014-01-06 10:59:23 PM

Peki: MSFT: RminusQ:
I would be perfectly happy with VP-for-life Biden. Whoever wins the nomination just keeps choosing Joe for VP until he's 85.

That would be awesome.

We should start a petition. I'm down. Biden has been able to figure out a really good role for the VP; the court jester. He can say the shiat no one else can get away with, because no one really takes him seriously. But, like when he pre-empted Obama's announcement supporting gay marriage, he can help push things along. Was it the trans am thing that really got online fundraising going? He's done spectacularly, and I think the Dems would be smart to keep running him.

/on topic: I'd be down for a Warren/Davis or Warren/Biden ticket. As much as I'd like a husband and wife President, we need to get away from dynasties for a little while.


Warren/Wyden
 
2014-01-06 11:02:18 PM
Glicky
 2014-01-06 09:05:36 PM

No More Clintons or Bushes in 2016...

You are doomed. It will be Hillary vs. Jeb Bush.
Love,
the New World Order.
 
2014-01-06 11:03:55 PM
ahasp
 2014-01-06 09:20:03 PM

All I want for Christmas is a Chris Christie vs. Robert Reich matchup.


See above.
 
2014-01-06 11:04:05 PM
I would register democrat to vote against Hillary.
 
2014-01-06 11:05:00 PM

propasaurus: So, I've been seeing this particular bit of concern trolling lately; the 'Democrats will call you misogynist if you don't vote for Hillary, just like they called you racist for to voting for Obama' bullshiat. I guess this is the new approved talking point from the right.
They're just very concerned.


I'm a liberal and as such I converse with some feminists and I have already been called a misogynist for criticizing Hillary and I assure you the criticisms had nothing to do with her gender. There's an unfortunate subset of feminists dripping with hatred who use that term every other word and Hillary is their perfect godess who can do no wrong, and they get very angry and hurt if you try and remind them that she's a person with flaws just like the rest of us.
 
2014-01-06 11:05:18 PM

Shostie: MrBallou: skinnycatullus: I love that guy. I hope Clinton doesn't even run (yeah, I know, no chance of that happening). But I do not look forward to being accused of misogyny when I don't support her in the primaries. And I'm afraid the fact that I can name half a dozen OTHER women I'd be delighted to support won't shield me from those accusations.

I think Hils would have been a good President, but 21 years of continuous character assignation by the Right has left her with way too much accumulated damage. I would dread a campaign season with her as the target. They've had decades to set up all sorts of anti-Hillary attacks. Better to start with somebody fresh.

They went nutballs with a black president. Electing a female Clinton president would cause absolute pandemonium for 4-8 years.


I think they're worn out already.
 
2014-01-06 11:08:14 PM

Fark It: Boxcutta: Great! It's the pro NRA Republican Democrat progressives have been clamoring for.

In 2006-2008 these were the exact type of Democrats that Howard Dean recruited and used to thrash the GOP.


Absolutely. And it's wonderful that he was the Governor of a red state. And he seems like a nice guy. But I don't want the Dem candidate for President to be further to the right than Obama.
 
2014-01-06 11:11:18 PM

Peki: MSFT: RminusQ:
I would be perfectly happy with VP-for-life Biden. Whoever wins the nomination just keeps choosing Joe for VP until he's 85.

That would be awesome.

We should start a petition. I'm down. Biden has been able to figure out a really good role for the VP; the court jester. He can say the shiat no one else can get away with, because no one really takes him seriously. But, like when he pre-empted Obama's announcement supporting gay marriage, he can help push things along. Was it the trans am thing that really got online fundraising going? He's done spectacularly, and I think the Dems would be smart to keep running him.

/on topic: I'd be down for a Warren/Davis or Warren/Biden ticket. As much as I'd like a husband and wife President, we need to get away from dynasties for a little while.


Biden brings in some really broad experience on foreign policy I really liked him on stuff like Meet the Press late 90's. Sure still a bit hawkish but he really is smart and it's a shame modern media needs a narrative maybe it always has.

/Oh and yea Warren was the one that really exited me at the 2012 convention but if Hillary wins the primary I'd be worried about a Hillary/Warren ticket.
//A Warren/Schweitzer ticket might work as well as the opposite way. When picking a good ticket you look to balance strengths and weaknesses and all if they can bring in a home stat e that was in play bonus..

/It's science ; )
 
2014-01-06 11:14:28 PM

Boxcutta: Fark It: Boxcutta: Great! It's the pro NRA Republican Democrat progressives have been clamoring for.

In 2006-2008 these were the exact type of Democrats that Howard Dean recruited and used to thrash the GOP.

Absolutely. And it's wonderful that he was the Governor of a red state. And he seems like a nice guy. But I don't want the Dem candidate for President to be further to the right than Obama.


I think Dean is pretty liberal with the exception of guns and he's certainly not very conservative about that, either.
 
2014-01-06 11:15:24 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: Peki: MSFT: RminusQ:
I would be perfectly happy with VP-for-life Biden. Whoever wins the nomination just keeps choosing Joe for VP until he's 85.

That would be awesome.

We should start a petition. I'm down. Biden has been able to figure out a really good role for the VP; the court jester. He can say the shiat no one else can get away with, because no one really takes him seriously. But, like when he pre-empted Obama's announcement supporting gay marriage, he can help push things along. Was it the trans am thing that really got online fundraising going? He's done spectacularly, and I think the Dems would be smart to keep running him.

/on topic: I'd be down for a Warren/Davis or Warren/Biden ticket. As much as I'd like a husband and wife President, we need to get away from dynasties for a little while.

Biden brings in some really broad experience on foreign policy I really liked him on stuff like Meet the Press late 90's. Sure still a bit hawkish but he really is smart and it's a shame modern media needs a narrative maybe it always has.

/Oh and yea Warren was the one that really exited me at the 2012 convention but if Hillary wins the primary I'd be worried about a Hillary/Warren ticket.
//A Warren/Schweitzer ticket might work as well as the opposite way. When picking a good ticket you look to balance strengths and weaknesses and all if they can bring in a home stat e that was in play bonus..

/It's science ; )


Yeah, but the narrative with Biden works so much better than it did with Quayle, Gore, and certainly Cheney. And you have to be smart to be a good court jester.

/all good suggestions to my prior. I'd still like to see a woman Pres though, even if not Hillary.
 
2014-01-06 11:17:57 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: Peki: MSFT: RminusQ:
I would be perfectly happy with VP-for-life Biden. Whoever wins the nomination just keeps choosing Joe for VP until he's 85.

That would be awesome.

We should start a petition. I'm down. Biden has been able to figure out a really good role for the VP; the court jester. He can say the shiat no one else can get away with, because no one really takes him seriously. But, like when he pre-empted Obama's announcement supporting gay marriage, he can help push things along. Was it the trans am thing that really got online fundraising going? He's done spectacularly, and I think the Dems would be smart to keep running him.

/on topic: I'd be down for a Warren/Davis or Warren/Biden ticket. As much as I'd like a husband and wife President, we need to get away from dynasties for a little while.

Biden brings in some really broad experience on foreign policy I really liked him on stuff like Meet the Press late 90's. Sure still a bit hawkish but he really is smart and it's a shame modern media needs a narrative maybe it always has.

/Oh and yea Warren was the one that really exited me at the 2012 convention but if Hillary wins the primary I'd be worried about a Hillary/Warren ticket.
//A Warren/Schweitzer ticket might work as well as the opposite way. When picking a good ticket you look to balance strengths and weaknesses and all if they can bring in a home stat e that was in play bonus..

/It's science ; )


I like Warren a lot, but I'd like to see broader and deeper experience at the top of the ticket
Biden/Warren
Brown/Warren
 
2014-01-06 11:27:48 PM
Clinton isn't running in 2016. We all know that Republicans are really hoping she does so they can go all Benghazi on her... but she isn't running.

I'd like to see Elizabeth Warren run, personally.

Either which way, I'll be voting for the lesser of two evils which is guaranteed to be a Democrat... so... thanks for being so shiatty that you leave me no alternative choices, Republicans.
 
2014-01-06 11:30:44 PM

Omahawg: Hillary's time on the board of directors of wal-mart and tyson make her odious to me


Yeah, I've never been very sure why the 'left' has been lining up behind somebody that was on the board of those two companies. Hell, she was on the board of Wal-Mart when they really started ramping up the pressure on suppliers to offshore their manufacturing. Just a few weeks ago she was giving a speech at Goldman Sachs saying people need to stop vilifying Wall Street.

SHE IS NOT ONE OF YOU, DESPITE THE D BEHIND HER NAME!!
 
2014-01-06 11:33:16 PM
If he walks this talk, I think I might like this guy.
 
2014-01-06 11:35:42 PM

buzzcut73: Omahawg: Hillary's time on the board of directors of wal-mart and tyson make her odious to me

Yeah, I've never been very sure why the 'left' has been lining up behind somebody that was on the board of those two companies. Hell, she was on the board of Wal-Mart when they really started ramping up the pressure on suppliers to offshore their manufacturing. Just a few weeks ago she was giving a speech at Goldman Sachs saying people need to stop vilifying Wall Street.

SHE IS NOT ONE OF YOU, DESPITE THE D BEHIND HER NAME!!


It's fun to watch Hillary try to rebrand herself as a progressive. She's competent and effective, but I don't think anyone thinks for a moment that Hillary is anything more than a center-righ corporate Democrat. Anyone looking for a liberal needs to look elsewhere.
 
2014-01-06 11:35:54 PM

Fart_Machine: CokeBear: Besides Hillary, you've got this guy (bonus, with NRA endorsement), maybe Biden and Elizabeth Warren?
I'd actually be ok with any of them.

If he actually reached past the primaries they'd pull that endorsement. Mitt got the NRA endorsement because he was a Republican.


Yup.  This Montana dude would all of a sudden become the most liberal candidate in history!
 
2014-01-06 11:41:37 PM
Geez, I can't believe the Democrat clown car mad such an early appearance.  Clint is going to need a theater of empty seats.
 
2014-01-06 11:42:22 PM
Geez, I can't believe the Democrat clown car made such an early appearance.  Clint is going to need a theater of empty seats.
 
2014-01-06 11:44:34 PM
Yeah, I'm a Democrat but I don't really want to vote for Hillary because I think us Democrats could find someone even more parasitic and psychotic than Hillary. And why are we even considering a Caucasoid for our Democrat nominee?
 
2014-01-06 11:49:41 PM

Peki: Yeah, but the narrative with Biden works so much better than it did with Quayle, Gore, and certainly Cheney. And you have to be smart to be a good court jester.

/all good suggestions to my prior. I'd still like to see a woman Pres though, even if not Hillary.


Well Bush Sr./Quayle didn't get reelected and they won because Reagan oh and Dukakis. Also Bush Sr. was Reagan's foreign policy credentials. Quayle I think was supposed to bring youth and vitality to the ticket same as Palin, lol, GOP and science. Gore got chewed up because of the narrative (oh and his dry ass personality) and who the hell was running mate I can't even remember without Google that's sad. Bush jr/Cheney . Cheney supposedly brought in foreign policy cred but not many people knew or understand what Bush jr's assemble team really wanted. Idid I cried that night and not because Gore lost Florida after all. I knew. Not what the fact were gonna be but I really wasn't surprise by anything that happened between 2000 to 2008.

/I cried a lot cause I couldn't do any thing else
//And Kerry wow they still didn't want to win, hell I can't remember his running mate of the top of my head that how memorable he must of been.
/ Anyway on a ticket you what balance and well all politicians have to be memorable as well.
 
2014-01-06 11:50:28 PM

skinnycatullus: But I do not look forward to being accused of misogyny when I don't support her in the primaries.


I never supported Hillary in the primaries. I never got called a misogynist. Why are you so afraid of it? When you support the right policies, the plumbing doesn't matter as much.
 
2014-01-06 11:52:15 PM
I'm ok with this.
of course, he won't get it. But it would be... fine.
 
2014-01-06 11:55:38 PM
Well, going by that interview I can tell I like the guy, so I guess we'll see what else he has to say in the next cpl years.
 
2014-01-06 11:56:01 PM
I'm running in 2016.

Vote for me!
 
2014-01-06 11:59:52 PM

Notabunny: tinfoil-hat maggie: Peki: MSFT: RminusQ:
I would be perfectly happy with VP-for-life Biden. Whoever wins the nomination just keeps choosing Joe for VP until he's 85.

That would be awesome.

We should start a petition. I'm down. Biden has been able to figure out a really good role for the VP; the court jester. He can say the shiat no one else can get away with, because no one really takes him seriously. But, like when he pre-empted Obama's announcement supporting gay marriage, he can help push things along. Was it the trans am thing that really got online fundraising going? He's done spectacularly, and I think the Dems would be smart to keep running him.

/on topic: I'd be down for a Warren/Davis or Warren/Biden ticket. As much as I'd like a husband and wife President, we need to get away from dynasties for a little while.

Biden brings in some really broad experience on foreign policy I really liked him on stuff like Meet the Press late 90's. Sure still a bit hawkish but he really is smart and it's a shame modern media needs a narrative maybe it always has.

/Oh and yea Warren was the one that really exited me at the 2012 convention but if Hillary wins the primary I'd be worried about a Hillary/Warren ticket.
//A Warren/Schweitzer ticket might work as well as the opposite way. When picking a good ticket you look to balance strengths and weaknesses and all if they can bring in a home stat e that was in play bonus..

/It's science ; )

I like Warren a lot, but I'd like to see broader and deeper experience at the top of the ticket
Biden/Warren
Brown/Warren


I could see that happening. It would be a strong ticket but even though Biden stomped on as politely as he could Palin and Ryan heh well no chance... well if he can do that again hell yeah I'd be for him. Granted as I said he is still hawkish AFAIK but Warren would be a good pick to soften his image and the real libs aren't gonna keep voting Dem forever with nothing to so for it.
 
2014-01-07 12:21:43 AM

meat0918: Fark It: meat0918: I have a problem voting for her in the primary, mostly because she should have left her serial philandering husband decades ago. And I like Bill.

I don't understand the "Stand by your man" mindset from her generation.

You're naive if you think they had anything other than a political marriage, like the Underwoods in House of Cards.

Haven't seen it, but that's what it seemed like once their marriage was in the public eye.  I'm sure it started out well intentioned enough, and based on love rather than political ambitions, but I'm a bit of a dreamer.


I'm pretty sure this is not what a marriage for the purpose of political ambitions looks like.

img15.nnm.ru

 
2014-01-07 12:22:50 AM
Anyone running for a political office who says "I don't trust politicians" is not fit for office. Since he's a former governor who's saying this now, I'd say he needs a mental health check-up.

/Why would I vote for someone who just told me not to trust him?
 
2014-01-07 12:26:43 AM

OrangeFree: Some people are born to be Presidents, some people are born to be great legislators. Warren was born to be a great legislator, much like Ted Kennedy compared to his brothers. Does anyone think this nation wasn't better served with the Lion in the Senate rather than the White House?


Actually, I think we were best served when he was anywhere other than his car.
 
2014-01-07 12:29:16 AM
Not to rain on everyone's parade, but the cynical side of me is reminded of how liberal Obama was in the 2008 campaign.

Sometimes it doesn't matter your policies during a campaign, but the realities you uncover when you're elected.
 
2014-01-07 12:37:13 AM
Ah, the Biden haters are already here.

/Did he slap your baby?
//Attempt to import slave labor?
///Put up a Mission Accomplished banner?
 
Displayed 50 of 218 comments

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | » | Last | Show all

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


This thread is closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »






Report