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(Slate)   Are you a Democrat but don't really want to vote for Hillary in 2016? Meet her most likely primary challenger   (slate.com) divider line 218
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2014-01-06 08:37:55 PM

Fark It: /Schweitzer/Warren/Warren/Schweitzer 2016


Warren as VP would be a total waste of her immense talents.  She needs to either cultivate her power in the Senate, or be President.
 
2014-01-06 08:38:28 PM
Great! It's the pro NRA Republican Democrat progressives have been clamoring for.
 
2014-01-06 08:41:46 PM

HMS_Blinkin: Warren as VP would be a total waste of her immense talents.  She needs to either cultivate her power in the Senate, or be President.


And she's already said she's not running for POTUS in 2016.

I'd like to see her as President or on the Supreme Court. The arguments between her an Scalia would be epic.
 
2014-01-06 08:42:54 PM
southparkstudios.mtvnimages.com
 
2014-01-06 08:43:45 PM
RminusQ:
I would be perfectly happy with VP-for-life Biden. Whoever wins the nomination just keeps choosing Joe for VP until he's 85.

That would be awesome.
 
2014-01-06 08:47:22 PM

MrBallou: aimtastic: That photo makes me want to vote for Hilary Clinton. I don't think they could have chosen a douchier looking screenshot.

He looks a little like a toad, doesn't he? I hope he's running as more than just a pretty face.


He looks like a televangelist in that pic.  Next.
 
2014-01-06 08:49:09 PM
This guy will make me vote for Hilary.
 
2014-01-06 08:50:36 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: If Edward Snowden is a criminal, then so are a lot of people that are working within the CIA and the NSA who have been spying illegally on American citizens. They ought to grant Snowden clemency.

On "blowback" upon leaving Afghanistan: If it all goes to hell in a handbasket, that's fine. That happened after Alexander the Great left; that happened after the Russians left. Who cares? They live in the Stone Age. If you ask generals whether we should stay in a war a little longer, that's like asking a barber whether you need a haircut.

Slate: when you ran in 2004, when you won the governor's race, there were gay marriage and marijuana issues on the ballot, and Republicans thought they'd set "family values" traps for you.

Schweitzer: Oh, yeah, name these Republicans. The ones cheating on their third wives while they're talking about traditional family values? Those ones?
What the hell ass balls - a politican who expresses an opinion?  When the hell did that happen??


For real I'm gonna have to go watch his Dem Convention speech. Hey may end up a Howard Dean but sorta interesting at least.
 
2014-01-06 08:51:43 PM

EyeballKid: [www.esquire.com image 300x400]
I wouldn't be surprised to see a progressive Democrat with a history of cooperation with Republicans run.


Really?  Cause I'd be surprised to see more than a few progressive Democrats in existence at all.
 
2014-01-06 08:51:50 PM
The best part of a Hillary versus Ted Cruz battle would be hearing from the right how a dual citizenship, foreign-born person would make for a better president due to his "worldviews created from out-of-the-country experiences."
 
2014-01-06 08:52:03 PM

Boxcutta: Great! It's the pro NRA Republican Democrat progressives have been clamoring for.


In 2006-2008 these were the exact type of Democrats that Howard Dean recruited and used to thrash the GOP.
 
2014-01-06 08:55:03 PM
It's funny.  In 2008 I KNEWHilary would be our next president and I couldn't farking wait.  Well, that did not go at all like I expected or wanted it to.  It pissed me off to no end that Obama managed to project the fairy tale image of Hope and Change and yank the rug out from under her.  And now we have had 8 years of a great orator, but not a great doer.  He has some things to his credit but at times his actions are indistinguishable from his predecessor.

But now, I'm not sure HIlary is the one I want to see in 2016.  This guy seems kind of cool, and for that very reason probably will not get anywhere.  Ah well.

Fark it.  My state is probably going to re-elect Rick Scott so we are all screwed down here, more than normal.

/no point to all of this except I once loved HIlary and now I'm not so sure.
 
2014-01-06 08:57:12 PM
Looks at thread
Ctrl+F Booker - nothing
Ctrl +F Patrick - nothing

Better read the article since that combo is my winning ticket
 
2014-01-06 09:01:27 PM

nekom: MrBallou:
How old are you? They went nutballs on her when Bill was President. They've been scared shiatless of the possibility of her becoming President since she was First Lady.

Our local right wing radio nut (who just recently got canned) hated her perhaps moreso than he hated Bill.  Some of that crap sticks too.  I STILL have a certain distaste for her, even though I couldn't tell you why.  I probably agree with her on a lot of things, and would probably vote for her anyway unless the GOP fields a reasonable candidate (unlikely), but I still don't "like" her.  I think it's just the decades of attacks.


Well I would never vote GOP but Hillary and Tipper Gore back in the day worried me with stuff they were saying about video games and music. IIRC Hillary kept it up in the senate.
 
2014-01-06 09:04:35 PM

p the boiler: Looks at thread
Ctrl+F Booker - nothing
Ctrl +F Patrick - nothing

Better read the article since that combo is my winning ticket


My friend who has spent some time in Newark is of the opinion that Cory Booker is good at promoting Cory Booker but has no actual desire to govern. I can't really judge on that, but I do wish it had been Rush Holt to win the NJ Senate seat.
 
2014-01-06 09:05:36 PM
No More Clintons or Bushes in 2016...
 
2014-01-06 09:06:26 PM

Emposter: EyeballKid: [www.esquire.com image 300x400]
I wouldn't be surprised to see a progressive Democrat with a history of cooperation with Republicans run.

Really?  Cause I'd be surprised to see more than a few progressive Democrats in existence at all.


Unless somebodies definition includes Bill and Barrack I'd say you are correct.
 
2014-01-06 09:11:51 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2014-01-06 09:16:08 PM
Besides Hillary, you've got this guy (bonus, with NRA endorsement), maybe Biden and Elizabeth Warren?
I'd actually be ok with any of them.
 
2014-01-06 09:16:31 PM

FriarReb98: I don't know about this whole Hilary 2016 thing. I mean, yeah, she's built herself a Presidential-sounding resume, but she has two things going against her: age and a giant-assed target on her back.

It's not just that she'd be the second-oldest ever to take the oath (and the 5th oldest ever period), it's that the office ages the fark out of people, even more so when you're talking about someone who would have the added stress of being the first female president of the US.  That's not exactly something that would be easy for anyone to take, let alone someone who'd be three months past 69.

Now add to that by  imagining just how monumentally the entire right, sexist pricks and a good chunk of the moderate left would freak the fark out if Hilary ran.  Hell, as we speak there are probably people in obscure county records offices digging through records looking for dirt on her.  There are entire corners of the internet with giant shrines to their hatred of her.  We would easily see the dirtiest campaign in decades being run against her by everyone, possibly (but hopefully not) including the other candidates themselves.

Any sane person would probably literally go on national television and radio just to literally say "fark that" to the entire idea.


I dunno. I think she runs. When the attacks come, she points to Palin--governor and quitter. She certainly hasn't helped women or accomplished a single thing on the political front. For political ads, all you have to do is crank out videos of her speaking as a reminder.

Then, Romney. Not the right religion subtype, besides being monumentally stupid.

i don't think Republicans have a real candidate at this point.
 
2014-01-06 09:17:13 PM
 
2014-01-06 09:20:03 PM
All I want for Christmas is a Chris Christie vs. Robert Reich matchup.
 
2014-01-06 09:24:49 PM
Some US Senator (looking at you, Al Franken) needs to snatch Sweitzer up by his bolo tie and tell him to stop being such a big fat idiot. HE NEEDS TO WIN THE BAUCUS SEAT! Tell Harry to let the shmuck bring his dang dog to the Senate floor if need be... But, come on! The man knows he's a win for the Dems!

/and I don't care much for Mrs. C, but what the fark?
 
2014-01-06 09:28:24 PM

CokeBear: Besides Hillary, you've got this guy (bonus, with NRA endorsement), maybe Biden and Elizabeth Warren?
I'd actually be ok with any of them.


If he actually reached past the primaries they'd pull that endorsement. Mitt got the NRA endorsement because he was a Republican.
 
2014-01-06 09:29:28 PM
Schweitzer is farking awesome. When he was governor, here's how he vetoed stupid bills from Republicans:

media.spokesman.com
 
2014-01-06 09:29:49 PM
Nope.
 
2014-01-06 09:32:54 PM

Abzzstain: Schweitzer is farking awesome. When he was governor, here's how he vetoed stupid bills from Republicans:

[media.spokesman.com image 470x303]


Gotta say I couldn't think of him at first but I now remember his convention speech " That dog want hunt" and I'll be interested to here more from him in the future for sure.
 
2014-01-06 09:33:46 PM
The only branch that matters anymore is the Judicial.

The country has to wait with bated breath for every 5-4 decree that comes down on high -  even for legislation that passes with a 60 vote super majority in the upper house (like the ACA, or "Obamacare" if you're a dick, hack or both like David Gregory).

Unfortunately we are in a position where electing Democrats is the only option available to ensure that complete maniacs aren't appointed to the federal bench.

I say that as a registered Democrat in a deep blue state, mind you.

Hillary will win if she runs and I'll vote for her even though I wish the senate were 50 Bernie Sanders and 50 Elizabeth Warrens.

The art of the possible, right?
 
2014-01-06 09:36:31 PM

Fark It: meat0918: I have a problem voting for her in the primary, mostly because she should have left her serial philandering husband decades ago. And I like Bill.

I don't understand the "Stand by your man" mindset from her generation.

You're naive if you think they had anything other than a political marriage, like the Underwoods in House of Cards.


Haven't seen it, but that's what it seemed like once their marriage was in the public eye.  I'm sure it started out well intentioned enough, and based on love rather than political ambitions, but I'm a bit of a dreamer.
 
2014-01-06 09:44:05 PM
I can't wait for Castro to run. The right wing apoplexy will be awesome.
 
2014-01-06 09:49:54 PM
I thought he did an excellent job with most of the answers, and he would (in my opinion, subject to whimsical changes at a moment's notice) be a better fit for my opinion than Hillary, but...

I don't completely like his answer here:

 No. 1: You pass national health insurance laws that say you can't discriminate against women, charge them higher premiums than men of the same age, you can't discriminate against people with pre-existing conditions, you can't have annual caps. Then you allow insurance companies to compete wherever they want, in any state. Boom.

The boom you hear is my rates rising to the  rate of the most costly risk, not the rate of poor, sick women plummeting to mine. How about, if you can afford the actuarial cost, you pay it, and if not, you get a subsidy? Or at least give a break for people who try to take care of themselves?

/It should be enough of a benefit that women live longer on average than men. Bring us to equality there, and I won't complain about the insurance.
 
2014-01-06 09:51:58 PM
Vermin Supreme ? DRTFA
At least he had the guts to run against Obama . Got no respect for Hillary .
 
2014-01-06 09:52:03 PM
You know, I like this guy. He could really shake things up.

Of course, that's what I said about Obama too.

/he's still better than Hillary
 
2014-01-06 09:52:03 PM

skinnycatullus: I love that guy. I hope Clinton doesn't even run (yeah, I know, no chance of that happening). But I do not look forward to being accused of misogyny when I don't support her in the primaries. And I'm afraid the fact that I can name half a dozen OTHER women I'd be delighted to support won't shield me from those accusations.


Name them.
 
2014-01-06 09:57:50 PM
meat0918: 

I have a problem voting for her in the primary, mostly because she should have left her serial philandering husband decades ago.  And I like Bill.

I don't understand the "Stand by your man" mindset from her generation.


News flash: sometimes couples agree to nontraditional ideas of commitment. Just like being gay a decade ago, though, they have to keep it secret and deny, deny if questions arise. The world is a big place, and a lot of the people in it aren't exact duplicates with exactly duplicated values.

But I grant you men in previous generations got away with this stuff due to that 'stand by your man' thing you speak of. I just don't think that's the case with b+h.
 
2014-01-06 09:58:16 PM

Abzzstain: Schweitzer is farking awesome. When he was governor, here's how he vetoed stupid bills from Republicans:

[media.spokesman.com image 470x303]


Did he send the burnt paper back so it could be filed in the official record?
 
2014-01-06 09:58:30 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Doesn't the VP always get the inside track?


Or the Joementum, as it were.
 
2014-01-06 09:58:31 PM
If there's one person I automatically trust, it's a politician who says he doesn't trust politicians.

/Don't know anything about this guy
//Hope for a good and thorough primary, resulting in the strongest possible candidate in the general
 
2014-01-06 09:59:17 PM
Well, she turned me into a NEWT!

i122.photobucket.com

/I got better
 
2014-01-06 10:00:05 PM
That is an incredibly captionable picture.
 
2014-01-06 10:00:09 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Doesn't the VP always get the inside track?


Cheney in 2008 sound familiar? No?

Some VP's get the inside track because that's what they came in for. Others not so much. It  can be a stepping stone but more times than not it is the highest office that they will ever get to, and that office has been famously described as being lower than a warm bucket of spit.

Biden isn't one of the ones who has a chance of being elected even with the VP spot bump. He just hasn't been all that involved publicly to get there.

\No, Fark's attempts to buy a Trans Am do not make him viable and might actually hurt him
 
2014-01-06 10:04:52 PM
as a pinko commie liberal welfare state leech etc etc, he has my vote.
 
2014-01-06 10:05:45 PM
that guy, at least that picture looks super punchable.
 
2014-01-06 10:08:00 PM

Radioactive Ass: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Doesn't the VP always get the inside track?

Cheney in 2008 sound familiar? No?

Some VP's get the inside track because that's what they came in for. Others not so much. It  can be a stepping stone but more times than not it is the highest office that they will ever get to, and that office has been famously described as being lower than a warm bucket of spit.

Biden isn't one of the ones who has a chance of being elected even with the VP spot bump. He just hasn't been all that involved publicly to get there.

\No, Fark's attempts to buy a Trans Am do not make him viable and might actually hurt him




Both Hillary and Biden will be too old and. I don't think either of them are in the best of health to make an 18 month run for the presidency. Dems and Repubs need younger blood.
 
2014-01-06 10:08:23 PM

HeartBurnKid: You know, I like this guy. He could really shake things up.

Of course, that's what I said about Obama too.

/he's still better than Hillary


Yeah, no; I'm not falling for that again...
 
2014-01-06 10:08:40 PM
Sherrod. Brown.
 
2014-01-06 10:11:23 PM
I'm a Republican, so feel free to dismiss the following as concern trolling: Brian Schweitzer legitimately worries me.  He can't beat Hillary in a primary, but, if she doesn't run, he could get the nomination and trounce any Republican that runs.  He combines the most popular aspects of both parties (Democrats' economic populism + Republicans' cultural populism) at a time when Republicans are collectively defending some very unpopular economic policies and have little to offer middle-class voters but cultural resentment.
 
2014-01-06 10:11:27 PM
Hillary's time on the board of directors of wal-mart and tyson make her odious to me
 
2014-01-06 10:11:58 PM

TuteTibiImperes: I'd rather see a candidate that will speak up and say we should move to universal single payer healthcare, but otherwise his positions seem pretty good.

I'm hoping Warren runs.


Warren is nutty bananas. My  kind of nutty bananas mind you, but nutty bananas nonetheless. She can't win.

Some people are born to be Presidents, some people are born to be great legislators. Warren was born to be a great legislator, much like Ted Kennedy compared to his brothers. Does anyone think this nation wasn't better served with the Lion in the Senate rather than the White House?
 
2014-01-06 10:12:49 PM
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