If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(Slate)   Are you a Democrat but don't really want to vote for Hillary in 2016? Meet her most likely primary challenger   (slate.com) divider line 218
    More: Spiffy, Brian Schweitzer, Democrats, Keystone Kops, Saudi royal family, national pastime, Baucus, The Iranian, domestic spying  
•       •       •

9138 clicks; posted to Politics » on 06 Jan 2014 at 8:31 PM (36 weeks ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



218 Comments   (+0 »)
   
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest
 
2014-01-06 06:11:03 PM
Doesn't the VP always get the inside track?
 
2014-01-06 06:12:22 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Doesn't the VP always get the inside track?


RELEASE THE BIDEN!
 
2014-01-06 06:20:56 PM
www.esquire.com
I wouldn't be surprised to see a progressive Democrat with a history of cooperation with Republicans run.
 
2014-01-06 06:22:18 PM
That photo makes me want to vote for Hilary Clinton. I don't think they could have chosen a douchier looking screenshot.
 
2014-01-06 06:25:04 PM

aimtastic: That photo makes me want to vote for Hilary Clinton. I don't think they could have chosen a douchier looking screenshot.


He looks a little like a toad, doesn't he? I hope he's running as more than just a pretty face.
 
2014-01-06 06:27:28 PM
If Edward Snowden is a criminal, then so are a lot of people that are working within the CIA and the NSA who have been spying illegally on American citizens. They ought to grant Snowden clemency.

On "blowback" upon leaving Afghanistan: If it all goes to hell in a handbasket, that's fine. That happened after Alexander the Great left; that happened after the Russians left. Who cares? They live in the Stone Age. If you ask generals whether we should stay in a war a little longer, that's like asking a barber whether you need a haircut.

Slate: when you ran in 2004, when you won the governor's race, there were gay marriage and marijuana issues on the ballot, and Republicans thought they'd set "family values" traps for you.

Schweitzer: Oh, yeah, name these Republicans. The ones cheating on their third wives while they're talking about traditional family values? Those ones?


What the hell ass balls - a politican who expresses an opinion?  When the hell did that happen??
 
2014-01-06 06:28:34 PM
It's over two years away. Referring to any candidate as "most likely" is pretty well overstating it.
 
2014-01-06 06:30:09 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Doesn't the VP always get the inside track?


I don't think anyone seriously thinks Biden is going to run.
 
2014-01-06 06:31:37 PM
I love that guy. I hope Clinton doesn't even run (yeah, I know, no chance of that happening). But I do not look forward to being accused of misogyny when I don't support her in the primaries. And I'm afraid the fact that I can name half a dozen OTHER women I'd be delighted to support won't shield me from those accusations.
 
2014-01-06 06:35:59 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: If Edward Snowden is a criminal, then so are a lot of people that are working within the CIA and the NSA who have been spying illegally on American citizens. They ought to grant Snowden clemency.


He does realize that the government spying part isn't why Snowden is an alleged criminal, right?
 
2014-01-06 06:37:57 PM

skinnycatullus: I love that guy. I hope Clinton doesn't even run (yeah, I know, no chance of that happening). But I do not look forward to being accused of misogyny when I don't support her in the primaries. And I'm afraid the fact that I can name half a dozen OTHER women I'd be delighted to support won't shield me from those accusations.


Isn't she still saying she's not running?
 
2014-01-06 06:42:25 PM
I'd rather see a candidate that will speak up and say we should move to universal single payer healthcare, but otherwise his positions seem pretty good.

I'm hoping Warren runs.
 
2014-01-06 06:47:38 PM

timujin: skinnycatullus: I love that guy. I hope Clinton doesn't even run (yeah, I know, no chance of that happening). But I do not look forward to being accused of misogyny when I don't support her in the primaries. And I'm afraid the fact that I can name half a dozen OTHER women I'd be delighted to support won't shield me from those accusations.

Isn't she still saying she's not running?


Probably, but I haven't heard anyone who actually believes her. I think she'd be wise not to if she cares about how history regards her. Her stint as Sec of State left her pretty popular, with most people thinking she handled it well. Chances of that popularity surviving another bitter campaign and a presidential tenure in the toxic atmosphere that is DC these days are pretty farking slim.
 
jbc [TotalFark]
2014-01-06 06:50:18 PM
Does anyone want to predict the inevitable date when someone on the lunatic right declares him to be "the most liberal governor in history"?
 
2014-01-06 07:05:24 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: If Edward Snowden is a criminal, then so are a lot of people that are working within the CIA and the NSA who have been spying illegally on American citizens. They ought to grant Snowden clemency.

On "blowback" upon leaving Afghanistan: If it all goes to hell in a handbasket, that's fine. That happened after Alexander the Great left; that happened after the Russians left. Who cares? They live in the Stone Age. If you ask generals whether we should stay in a war a little longer, that's like asking a barber whether you need a haircut.

Slate: when you ran in 2004, when you won the governor's race, there were gay marriage and marijuana issues on the ballot, and Republicans thought they'd set "family values" traps for you.

Schweitzer: Oh, yeah, name these Republicans. The ones cheating on their third wives while they're talking about traditional family values? Those ones?


What the hell ass balls - a politican who expresses an opinion?  When the hell did that happen??


It's kind of shocking to hear this coming from someone who was a Senator.  I can see a Rep saying something like that.  But a Senate Democrat?  The dude has some stones, and he's definitely a Washington outsider.  Given the popularity of Congress and Obama's approval ratings, that's huge.  I hope the media doesn't Ron Paul him though, his centrist credentials and NRA endorsement could be used to Tea Party him in the primaries, and he's a white guy so he's not going to be able to really pander to the identity politics-minded Democrats.  And then there's this:

The day after I got out of graduate school, after I defended my thesis, I went straight to Libya. I was there for a year; I was in Saudi Arabia for seven. I learned to speak Arabic. I can explain to you, in a way that almost no one else in the country can, the difference between a Sunni and a Shia. I can explain to you who and what the Wahhabis are in Saudi Arabia. I can talk to you about why we, the United States, initially got involved with the Saudi royal family, what we got out of the deal. I can explain to you why we knew Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. We knew, because we supplied chemical weapons to him so he could poison the Iranians. The Iranians are Persian, not Arab; they haven't got along for several thousand years.

Hillary's greatest strength is her foreign policy credentials from being SecState.  This guy can easily go toe-to-toe with her on that.
 
2014-01-06 07:07:51 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: What the hell ass balls - a politican who expresses an opinion?  When the hell did that happen??


I've really liked him since 2004 when he started showing up on Daily Kos. He bulls no shiat. The way he talks reminds me of Harry Truman.
 
2014-01-06 07:10:07 PM
She's not running.

Let's get through the 2014 primaries and general before we start worrying about this crap.
 
2014-01-06 07:13:12 PM
Schweitzer turned to the camera. "It helps to tape the federal ID card onto the clay pigeon," he said with a chuckle. "Gives me motivation."

Well, there's two points scored with the right, if they're honest about it.
 
2014-01-06 07:16:07 PM

skinnycatullus: I love that guy. I hope Clinton doesn't even run (yeah, I know, no chance of that happening). But I do not look forward to being accused of misogyny when I don't support her in the primaries. And I'm afraid the fact that I can name half a dozen OTHER women I'd be delighted to support won't shield me from those accusations.


I think Hils would have been a good President, but 21 years of continuous character assignation by the Right has left her with way too much accumulated damage. I would dread a campaign season with her as the target. They've had decades to set up all sorts of anti-Hillary attacks. Better to start with somebody fresh.
 
2014-01-06 07:17:19 PM

meat0918: She's not running.


Drudge actually has an original story tonight. Apparently, NSA is sending him select e-mail intercepts:

http://www.drudgereport.com/flash3b.htm
 
2014-01-06 07:17:57 PM

Fark It: I hope the media doesn't Ron Paul him though, his centrist credentials and NRA endorsement could be used to Tea Party him in the primaries, and he's a white guy so he's not going to be able to really pander to the identity politics-minded Democrats.


I see. The Democrats should value the NRA more, and anything that might matter to those pesky minorities is "identity politics" and should be ignored. Thanks for your concern.

Also, Ron Paul was f*cking insane. That had nothing to do with the media.
 
2014-01-06 07:19:52 PM

Cagey B: Fark It: I hope the media doesn't Ron Paul him though, his centrist credentials and NRA endorsement could be used to Tea Party him in the primaries, and he's a white guy so he's not going to be able to really pander to the identity politics-minded Democrats.

I see. The Democrats should value the NRA more, and anything that might matter to those pesky minorities is "identity politics" and should be ignored. Thanks for your concern.

Also, Ron Paul was f*cking insane. That had nothing to do with the media.


Case in point.
 
2014-01-06 07:20:28 PM

EyeballKid: [www.esquire.com image 300x400]
I wouldn't be surprised to see a progressive Democrat with a history of cooperation with Republicans run.


I'd love to see Feingold run, but I don't know if he'd stand much of a chance.
 
2014-01-06 07:29:48 PM

MrBallou: skinnycatullus: I love that guy. I hope Clinton doesn't even run (yeah, I know, no chance of that happening). But I do not look forward to being accused of misogyny when I don't support her in the primaries. And I'm afraid the fact that I can name half a dozen OTHER women I'd be delighted to support won't shield me from those accusations.

I think Hils would have been a good President, but 21 years of continuous character assignation by the Right has left her with way too much accumulated damage. I would dread a campaign season with her as the target. They've had decades to set up all sorts of anti-Hillary attacks. Better to start with somebody fresh.


They went nutballs with a black president. Electing a female Clinton president would cause absolute pandemonium for 4-8 years.
 
2014-01-06 07:31:29 PM

Fark It: Cagey B: Fark It: I hope the media doesn't Ron Paul him though, his centrist credentials and NRA endorsement could be used to Tea Party him in the primaries, and he's a white guy so he's not going to be able to really pander to the identity politics-minded Democrats.

I see. The Democrats should value the NRA more, and anything that might matter to those pesky minorities is "identity politics" and should be ignored. Thanks for your concern.

Also, Ron Paul was f*cking insane. That had nothing to do with the media.

Case in point.


Of what, exactly? He seems fairly intelligent in the interview, meaning that if he were to run for president, he would probably not adopt the "personal nuclear armaments are protected by the Second Amendment" stance of the NRA. And since he's a Democrat, he's somewhat more likely to not be as much of a dickhole about people who make the unfortunate choice to not be white.

It was a more a comment on your idiotic view of politics than anything else. I hope this has been enlightening for you.
 
2014-01-06 07:37:10 PM

TuteTibiImperes: I'd rather see a candidate that will speak up and say we should move to universal single payer healthcare, but otherwise his positions seem pretty good.

FTFA: "

The second thing is, you say to every citizen in the United States, now you have the option to buy into Medicare"

Single payer, medicare-for-all?  Sounds like exactly like what you're suggesting.
 
2014-01-06 07:41:43 PM

fusillade762: Well, there's two points scored with the right, if they're honest about it.


Honesty from the right? Are you new here?
 
2014-01-06 07:46:29 PM
Cagey B:  "personal nuclear armaments are protected by the Second Amendment" stance of the NRA

Citation needed

And since he's a Democrat, he's somewhat more likely to not be as much of a dickhole about people who make the unfortunate choice to not be white.
It was a more a comment on your idiotic view of politics than anything else. I hope this has been enlightening for you.


Since he's not Hillary Clinton, supporting him will make you a sexist, misogynistic asshole when the time comes.  You wait and see.  The left's monied, corporate interests (yes, they have them) do not want a guy like this to be President, and they'll use his pro-gun credentials against him, his skin color, Montana residency, and foreign policy views (fark Afghanistan, we should withdraw), to paint him as a closeted Libertarian, quasi-racist DINO.  Hillary Clinton makes (some of) the left croon, despite being a Wall Street Democrat who had an average run at Sec State (she left right before the Snowden fallout and before our deal with Iran).

/Schweitzer/Warren/Warren/Schweitzer 2016
//Say no to the Wall Street Democrats
 
2014-01-06 07:47:30 PM

Triumph: meat0918: She's not running.

Drudge actually has an original story tonight. Apparently, NSA is sending him select e-mail intercepts:

http://www.drudgereport.com/flash3b.htm


I'll believe it when I see it somewhere else.

I have a problem voting for her in the primary, mostly because she should have left her serial philandering husband decades ago.  And I like Bill.

I don't understand the "Stand by your man" mindset from her generation.

I'd probably vote 3rd party in the general if she was leading in Oregon by any appreciable amount, but would hold my nose if it was close, as I don't think I'd be able to handle the policy making of a GOP president with a more than likely GOP controlled House and a possibly GOP controlled Senate.
 
2014-01-06 07:50:32 PM

Fark It: Cagey B:  "personal nuclear armaments are protected by the Second Amendment" stance of the NRA

Citation needed

And since he's a Democrat, he's somewhat more likely to not be as much of a dickhole about people who make the unfortunate choice to not be white.
It was a more a comment on your idiotic view of politics than anything else. I hope this has been enlightening for you.

Since he's not Hillary Clinton, supporting him will make you a sexist, misogynistic asshole when the time comes.  You wait and see.  The left's monied, corporate interests (yes, they have them) do not want a guy like this to be President, and they'll use his pro-gun credentials against him, his skin color, Montana residency, and foreign policy views (fark Afghanistan, we should withdraw), to paint him as a closeted Libertarian, quasi-racist DINO.  Hillary Clinton makes (some of) the left croon, despite being a Wall Street Democrat who had an average run at Sec State (she left right before the Snowden fallout and before our deal with Iran).

/Schweitzer/Warren/Warren/Schweitzer 2016
//Say no to the Wall Street Democrats


Newsletter, subscription, etc.
 
2014-01-06 07:57:04 PM

Shostie: MrBallou: skinnycatullus: I love that guy. I hope Clinton doesn't even run (yeah, I know, no chance of that happening). But I do not look forward to being accused of misogyny when I don't support her in the primaries. And I'm afraid the fact that I can name half a dozen OTHER women I'd be delighted to support won't shield me from those accusations.

I think Hils would have been a good President, but 21 years of continuous character assignation by the Right has left her with way too much accumulated damage. I would dread a campaign season with her as the target. They've had decades to set up all sorts of anti-Hillary attacks. Better to start with somebody fresh.

They went nutballs with a black president. Electing a female Clinton president would cause absolute pandemonium for 4-8 years.


How old are you? They went nutballs on her when Bill was President. They've been scared shiatless of the possibility of her becoming President since she was First Lady.
 
2014-01-06 07:59:38 PM

EyeballKid: fusillade762: Well, there's two points scored with the right, if they're honest about it.

Honesty from the right? Are you new here?


Yeah, I know. What was I thinking?
 
2014-01-06 08:01:28 PM
MrBallou:
How old are you? They went nutballs on her when Bill was President. They've been scared shiatless of the possibility of her becoming President since she was First Lady.

Our local right wing radio nut (who just recently got canned) hated her perhaps moreso than he hated Bill.  Some of that crap sticks too.  I STILL have a certain distaste for her, even though I couldn't tell you why.  I probably agree with her on a lot of things, and would probably vote for her anyway unless the GOP fields a reasonable candidate (unlikely), but I still don't "like" her.  I think it's just the decades of attacks.
 
2014-01-06 08:04:13 PM

unyon: TuteTibiImperes: I'd rather see a candidate that will speak up and say we should move to universal single payer healthcare, but otherwise his positions seem pretty good.

FTFA: "The second thing is, you say to every citizen in the United States, now you have the option to buy into Medicare"

Single payer, medicare-for-all?  Sounds like exactly like what you're suggesting.


It sounds like the public option which was originally part of the ACA before the Democrats bargained it away.  It would be a nice step, but it's not really universal single payer.

I want a system where everyone has the same coverage, everything aside from vanity cosmetic surgeries is covered free of charge, and it's all paid out of tax revenue (I realize this would require a tax hike, I'm fine with that, I'll pay more in taxes to get that).
 
2014-01-06 08:05:06 PM
clinton still looks the safe bet to beat the gop
 
2014-01-06 08:05:09 PM
I want to start digging around the Internet for articles that ran in early 2006 about possible challengers to Hillary Clinton that show someone who didn't even run, or who bowed out after New Hampshire.
 
2014-01-06 08:07:53 PM
I voted for her in the primary. My sons and husband voted for Obama. Now we've got so many good candidates, Martin from Maryland, Hillary, Uncle Joe,    we've got lots of good candidates.
 
2014-01-06 08:08:28 PM
So, I've been seeing this particular bit of concern trolling lately; the 'Democrats will call you misogynist if you don't vote for Hillary, just like they called you racist for to voting for Obama' bullshiat. I guess this is the new approved talking point from the right.
They're just very concerned.
 
2014-01-06 08:13:14 PM

jake_lex: I want to start digging around the Internet for articles that ran in early 2006 about possible challengers to Hillary Clinton that show someone who didn't even run, or who bowed out after New Hampshire.


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-01-06 08:16:45 PM

nekom: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Doesn't the VP always get the inside track?

I don't think anyone seriously thinks Biden is going to run.


I would be perfectly happy with VP-for-life Biden. Whoever wins the nomination just keeps choosing Joe for VP until he's 85.
 
2014-01-06 08:19:02 PM

meat0918: I have a problem voting for her in the primary, mostly because she should have left her serial philandering husband decades ago. And I like Bill.

I don't understand the "Stand by your man" mindset from her generation.


You're naive if you think they had anything other than a political marriage, like the Underwoods in House of Cards.
 
2014-01-06 08:19:52 PM
I don't know about this whole Hilary 2016 thing. I mean, yeah, she's built herself a Presidential-sounding resume, but she has two things going against her: age and a giant-assed target on her back.

It's not just that she'd be the second-oldest ever to take the oath (and the 5th oldest ever period), it's that the office ages the fark out of people, even more so when you're talking about someone who would have the added stress of being the first female president of the US.  That's not exactly something that would be easy for anyone to take, let alone someone who'd be three months past 69.

Now add to that by  imagining just how monumentally the entire right, sexist pricks and a good chunk of the moderate left would freak the fark out if Hilary ran.  Hell, as we speak there are probably people in obscure county records offices digging through records looking for dirt on her.  There are entire corners of the internet with giant shrines to their hatred of her.  We would easily see the dirtiest campaign in decades being run against her by everyone, possibly (but hopefully not) including the other candidates themselves.

Any sane person would probably literally go on national television and radio just to literally say "fark that" to the entire idea.
 
2014-01-06 08:24:09 PM

MrBallou: skinnycatullus: I love that guy. I hope Clinton doesn't even run (yeah, I know, no chance of that happening). But I do not look forward to being accused of misogyny when I don't support her in the primaries. And I'm afraid the fact that I can name half a dozen OTHER women I'd be delighted to support won't shield me from those accusations.

I think Hils would have been a good President, but 21 years of continuous character assignation by the Right has left her with way too much accumulated damage. I would dread a campaign season with her as the target. They've had decades to set up all sorts of anti-Hillary attacks. Better to start with somebody fresh.


so
People who never would have voted for her, still wont vote for her?
SHOCKING NEWS

My guess is that she could still beat the generic GOP candidate, and certainly would beat any of the candidates from the previous two elections.
NEWS at 11
 
2014-01-06 08:26:39 PM
RminusQ:
I would be perfectly happy with VP-for-life Biden. Whoever wins the nomination just keeps choosing Joe for VP until he's 85.

I could get on board with that.  He's experienced, free from any significant scandal, and makes the odd hilarious gaffe.  What's not to like?  I just don't see him as a viable POTUS candidate.  But then about this time last cycle, we all knew it was going to be Hillary v 9iu11ani so who knows.
 
2014-01-06 08:28:25 PM

MrBallou: How old are you? They went nutballs on her when Bill was President.


I know. That's why I said:

Shostie: Electing a female Clinton president would cause absolute pandemonium for 4-8 years.

 
2014-01-06 08:32:24 PM
A black guy? Sure.
A woman? Maybe.

But I'm not sure that America is ready to elect an actual liberal yet.
 
2014-01-06 08:33:34 PM
Fark it. Just about anyone with a (D) beside their name has my vote.
 
2014-01-06 08:34:01 PM
Blatant case of the 'spiffy' tag going out of control and assaulting and binding the far more appropriate 'unlikely' tag.
 
2014-01-06 08:34:34 PM

meat0918: She's not running.


I agree.  She's out there being a lightning rod and keeping the GOP's guns trained on her rather than whoever the real candidate will be.
 
2014-01-06 08:36:17 PM
We need healthcare army.
 
2014-01-06 08:37:55 PM

Fark It: /Schweitzer/Warren/Warren/Schweitzer 2016


Warren as VP would be a total waste of her immense talents.  She needs to either cultivate her power in the Senate, or be President.
 
2014-01-06 08:38:28 PM
Great! It's the pro NRA Republican Democrat progressives have been clamoring for.
 
2014-01-06 08:41:46 PM

HMS_Blinkin: Warren as VP would be a total waste of her immense talents.  She needs to either cultivate her power in the Senate, or be President.


And she's already said she's not running for POTUS in 2016.

I'd like to see her as President or on the Supreme Court. The arguments between her an Scalia would be epic.
 
2014-01-06 08:42:54 PM
southparkstudios.mtvnimages.com
 
2014-01-06 08:43:45 PM
RminusQ:
I would be perfectly happy with VP-for-life Biden. Whoever wins the nomination just keeps choosing Joe for VP until he's 85.

That would be awesome.
 
2014-01-06 08:47:22 PM

MrBallou: aimtastic: That photo makes me want to vote for Hilary Clinton. I don't think they could have chosen a douchier looking screenshot.

He looks a little like a toad, doesn't he? I hope he's running as more than just a pretty face.


He looks like a televangelist in that pic.  Next.
 
2014-01-06 08:49:09 PM
This guy will make me vote for Hilary.
 
2014-01-06 08:50:36 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: If Edward Snowden is a criminal, then so are a lot of people that are working within the CIA and the NSA who have been spying illegally on American citizens. They ought to grant Snowden clemency.

On "blowback" upon leaving Afghanistan: If it all goes to hell in a handbasket, that's fine. That happened after Alexander the Great left; that happened after the Russians left. Who cares? They live in the Stone Age. If you ask generals whether we should stay in a war a little longer, that's like asking a barber whether you need a haircut.

Slate: when you ran in 2004, when you won the governor's race, there were gay marriage and marijuana issues on the ballot, and Republicans thought they'd set "family values" traps for you.

Schweitzer: Oh, yeah, name these Republicans. The ones cheating on their third wives while they're talking about traditional family values? Those ones?
What the hell ass balls - a politican who expresses an opinion?  When the hell did that happen??


For real I'm gonna have to go watch his Dem Convention speech. Hey may end up a Howard Dean but sorta interesting at least.
 
2014-01-06 08:51:43 PM

EyeballKid: [www.esquire.com image 300x400]
I wouldn't be surprised to see a progressive Democrat with a history of cooperation with Republicans run.


Really?  Cause I'd be surprised to see more than a few progressive Democrats in existence at all.
 
2014-01-06 08:51:50 PM
The best part of a Hillary versus Ted Cruz battle would be hearing from the right how a dual citizenship, foreign-born person would make for a better president due to his "worldviews created from out-of-the-country experiences."
 
2014-01-06 08:52:03 PM

Boxcutta: Great! It's the pro NRA Republican Democrat progressives have been clamoring for.


In 2006-2008 these were the exact type of Democrats that Howard Dean recruited and used to thrash the GOP.
 
2014-01-06 08:55:03 PM
It's funny.  In 2008 I KNEWHilary would be our next president and I couldn't farking wait.  Well, that did not go at all like I expected or wanted it to.  It pissed me off to no end that Obama managed to project the fairy tale image of Hope and Change and yank the rug out from under her.  And now we have had 8 years of a great orator, but not a great doer.  He has some things to his credit but at times his actions are indistinguishable from his predecessor.

But now, I'm not sure HIlary is the one I want to see in 2016.  This guy seems kind of cool, and for that very reason probably will not get anywhere.  Ah well.

Fark it.  My state is probably going to re-elect Rick Scott so we are all screwed down here, more than normal.

/no point to all of this except I once loved HIlary and now I'm not so sure.
 
2014-01-06 08:57:12 PM
Looks at thread
Ctrl+F Booker - nothing
Ctrl +F Patrick - nothing

Better read the article since that combo is my winning ticket
 
2014-01-06 09:01:27 PM

nekom: MrBallou:
How old are you? They went nutballs on her when Bill was President. They've been scared shiatless of the possibility of her becoming President since she was First Lady.

Our local right wing radio nut (who just recently got canned) hated her perhaps moreso than he hated Bill.  Some of that crap sticks too.  I STILL have a certain distaste for her, even though I couldn't tell you why.  I probably agree with her on a lot of things, and would probably vote for her anyway unless the GOP fields a reasonable candidate (unlikely), but I still don't "like" her.  I think it's just the decades of attacks.


Well I would never vote GOP but Hillary and Tipper Gore back in the day worried me with stuff they were saying about video games and music. IIRC Hillary kept it up in the senate.
 
2014-01-06 09:04:35 PM

p the boiler: Looks at thread
Ctrl+F Booker - nothing
Ctrl +F Patrick - nothing

Better read the article since that combo is my winning ticket


My friend who has spent some time in Newark is of the opinion that Cory Booker is good at promoting Cory Booker but has no actual desire to govern. I can't really judge on that, but I do wish it had been Rush Holt to win the NJ Senate seat.
 
2014-01-06 09:05:36 PM
No More Clintons or Bushes in 2016...
 
2014-01-06 09:06:26 PM

Emposter: EyeballKid: [www.esquire.com image 300x400]
I wouldn't be surprised to see a progressive Democrat with a history of cooperation with Republicans run.

Really?  Cause I'd be surprised to see more than a few progressive Democrats in existence at all.


Unless somebodies definition includes Bill and Barrack I'd say you are correct.
 
2014-01-06 09:11:51 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2014-01-06 09:16:08 PM
Besides Hillary, you've got this guy (bonus, with NRA endorsement), maybe Biden and Elizabeth Warren?
I'd actually be ok with any of them.
 
2014-01-06 09:16:31 PM

FriarReb98: I don't know about this whole Hilary 2016 thing. I mean, yeah, she's built herself a Presidential-sounding resume, but she has two things going against her: age and a giant-assed target on her back.

It's not just that she'd be the second-oldest ever to take the oath (and the 5th oldest ever period), it's that the office ages the fark out of people, even more so when you're talking about someone who would have the added stress of being the first female president of the US.  That's not exactly something that would be easy for anyone to take, let alone someone who'd be three months past 69.

Now add to that by  imagining just how monumentally the entire right, sexist pricks and a good chunk of the moderate left would freak the fark out if Hilary ran.  Hell, as we speak there are probably people in obscure county records offices digging through records looking for dirt on her.  There are entire corners of the internet with giant shrines to their hatred of her.  We would easily see the dirtiest campaign in decades being run against her by everyone, possibly (but hopefully not) including the other candidates themselves.

Any sane person would probably literally go on national television and radio just to literally say "fark that" to the entire idea.


I dunno. I think she runs. When the attacks come, she points to Palin--governor and quitter. She certainly hasn't helped women or accomplished a single thing on the political front. For political ads, all you have to do is crank out videos of her speaking as a reminder.

Then, Romney. Not the right religion subtype, besides being monumentally stupid.

i don't think Republicans have a real candidate at this point.
 
2014-01-06 09:17:13 PM
 
2014-01-06 09:20:03 PM
All I want for Christmas is a Chris Christie vs. Robert Reich matchup.
 
2014-01-06 09:24:49 PM
Some US Senator (looking at you, Al Franken) needs to snatch Sweitzer up by his bolo tie and tell him to stop being such a big fat idiot. HE NEEDS TO WIN THE BAUCUS SEAT! Tell Harry to let the shmuck bring his dang dog to the Senate floor if need be... But, come on! The man knows he's a win for the Dems!

/and I don't care much for Mrs. C, but what the fark?
 
2014-01-06 09:28:24 PM

CokeBear: Besides Hillary, you've got this guy (bonus, with NRA endorsement), maybe Biden and Elizabeth Warren?
I'd actually be ok with any of them.


If he actually reached past the primaries they'd pull that endorsement. Mitt got the NRA endorsement because he was a Republican.
 
2014-01-06 09:29:28 PM
Schweitzer is farking awesome. When he was governor, here's how he vetoed stupid bills from Republicans:

media.spokesman.com
 
2014-01-06 09:29:49 PM
Nope.
 
2014-01-06 09:32:54 PM

Abzzstain: Schweitzer is farking awesome. When he was governor, here's how he vetoed stupid bills from Republicans:

[media.spokesman.com image 470x303]


Gotta say I couldn't think of him at first but I now remember his convention speech " That dog want hunt" and I'll be interested to here more from him in the future for sure.
 
2014-01-06 09:33:46 PM
The only branch that matters anymore is the Judicial.

The country has to wait with bated breath for every 5-4 decree that comes down on high -  even for legislation that passes with a 60 vote super majority in the upper house (like the ACA, or "Obamacare" if you're a dick, hack or both like David Gregory).

Unfortunately we are in a position where electing Democrats is the only option available to ensure that complete maniacs aren't appointed to the federal bench.

I say that as a registered Democrat in a deep blue state, mind you.

Hillary will win if she runs and I'll vote for her even though I wish the senate were 50 Bernie Sanders and 50 Elizabeth Warrens.

The art of the possible, right?
 
2014-01-06 09:36:31 PM

Fark It: meat0918: I have a problem voting for her in the primary, mostly because she should have left her serial philandering husband decades ago. And I like Bill.

I don't understand the "Stand by your man" mindset from her generation.

You're naive if you think they had anything other than a political marriage, like the Underwoods in House of Cards.


Haven't seen it, but that's what it seemed like once their marriage was in the public eye.  I'm sure it started out well intentioned enough, and based on love rather than political ambitions, but I'm a bit of a dreamer.
 
2014-01-06 09:44:05 PM
I can't wait for Castro to run. The right wing apoplexy will be awesome.
 
2014-01-06 09:49:54 PM
I thought he did an excellent job with most of the answers, and he would (in my opinion, subject to whimsical changes at a moment's notice) be a better fit for my opinion than Hillary, but...

I don't completely like his answer here:

 No. 1: You pass national health insurance laws that say you can't discriminate against women, charge them higher premiums than men of the same age, you can't discriminate against people with pre-existing conditions, you can't have annual caps. Then you allow insurance companies to compete wherever they want, in any state. Boom.

The boom you hear is my rates rising to the  rate of the most costly risk, not the rate of poor, sick women plummeting to mine. How about, if you can afford the actuarial cost, you pay it, and if not, you get a subsidy? Or at least give a break for people who try to take care of themselves?

/It should be enough of a benefit that women live longer on average than men. Bring us to equality there, and I won't complain about the insurance.
 
2014-01-06 09:51:58 PM
Vermin Supreme ? DRTFA
At least he had the guts to run against Obama . Got no respect for Hillary .
 
2014-01-06 09:52:03 PM
You know, I like this guy. He could really shake things up.

Of course, that's what I said about Obama too.

/he's still better than Hillary
 
2014-01-06 09:52:03 PM

skinnycatullus: I love that guy. I hope Clinton doesn't even run (yeah, I know, no chance of that happening). But I do not look forward to being accused of misogyny when I don't support her in the primaries. And I'm afraid the fact that I can name half a dozen OTHER women I'd be delighted to support won't shield me from those accusations.


Name them.
 
2014-01-06 09:57:50 PM
meat0918: 

I have a problem voting for her in the primary, mostly because she should have left her serial philandering husband decades ago.  And I like Bill.

I don't understand the "Stand by your man" mindset from her generation.


News flash: sometimes couples agree to nontraditional ideas of commitment. Just like being gay a decade ago, though, they have to keep it secret and deny, deny if questions arise. The world is a big place, and a lot of the people in it aren't exact duplicates with exactly duplicated values.

But I grant you men in previous generations got away with this stuff due to that 'stand by your man' thing you speak of. I just don't think that's the case with b+h.
 
2014-01-06 09:58:16 PM

Abzzstain: Schweitzer is farking awesome. When he was governor, here's how he vetoed stupid bills from Republicans:

[media.spokesman.com image 470x303]


Did he send the burnt paper back so it could be filed in the official record?
 
2014-01-06 09:58:30 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Doesn't the VP always get the inside track?


Or the Joementum, as it were.
 
2014-01-06 09:58:31 PM
If there's one person I automatically trust, it's a politician who says he doesn't trust politicians.

/Don't know anything about this guy
//Hope for a good and thorough primary, resulting in the strongest possible candidate in the general
 
2014-01-06 09:59:17 PM
Well, she turned me into a NEWT!

i122.photobucket.com

/I got better
 
2014-01-06 10:00:05 PM
That is an incredibly captionable picture.
 
2014-01-06 10:00:09 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Doesn't the VP always get the inside track?


Cheney in 2008 sound familiar? No?

Some VP's get the inside track because that's what they came in for. Others not so much. It  can be a stepping stone but more times than not it is the highest office that they will ever get to, and that office has been famously described as being lower than a warm bucket of spit.

Biden isn't one of the ones who has a chance of being elected even with the VP spot bump. He just hasn't been all that involved publicly to get there.

\No, Fark's attempts to buy a Trans Am do not make him viable and might actually hurt him
 
2014-01-06 10:04:52 PM
as a pinko commie liberal welfare state leech etc etc, he has my vote.
 
2014-01-06 10:05:45 PM
that guy, at least that picture looks super punchable.
 
2014-01-06 10:08:00 PM

Radioactive Ass: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Doesn't the VP always get the inside track?

Cheney in 2008 sound familiar? No?

Some VP's get the inside track because that's what they came in for. Others not so much. It  can be a stepping stone but more times than not it is the highest office that they will ever get to, and that office has been famously described as being lower than a warm bucket of spit.

Biden isn't one of the ones who has a chance of being elected even with the VP spot bump. He just hasn't been all that involved publicly to get there.

\No, Fark's attempts to buy a Trans Am do not make him viable and might actually hurt him




Both Hillary and Biden will be too old and. I don't think either of them are in the best of health to make an 18 month run for the presidency. Dems and Repubs need younger blood.
 
2014-01-06 10:08:23 PM

HeartBurnKid: You know, I like this guy. He could really shake things up.

Of course, that's what I said about Obama too.

/he's still better than Hillary


Yeah, no; I'm not falling for that again...
 
2014-01-06 10:08:40 PM
Sherrod. Brown.
 
2014-01-06 10:11:23 PM
I'm a Republican, so feel free to dismiss the following as concern trolling: Brian Schweitzer legitimately worries me.  He can't beat Hillary in a primary, but, if she doesn't run, he could get the nomination and trounce any Republican that runs.  He combines the most popular aspects of both parties (Democrats' economic populism + Republicans' cultural populism) at a time when Republicans are collectively defending some very unpopular economic policies and have little to offer middle-class voters but cultural resentment.
 
2014-01-06 10:11:27 PM
Hillary's time on the board of directors of wal-mart and tyson make her odious to me
 
2014-01-06 10:11:58 PM

TuteTibiImperes: I'd rather see a candidate that will speak up and say we should move to universal single payer healthcare, but otherwise his positions seem pretty good.

I'm hoping Warren runs.


Warren is nutty bananas. My  kind of nutty bananas mind you, but nutty bananas nonetheless. She can't win.

Some people are born to be Presidents, some people are born to be great legislators. Warren was born to be a great legislator, much like Ted Kennedy compared to his brothers. Does anyone think this nation wasn't better served with the Lion in the Senate rather than the White House?
 
2014-01-06 10:12:49 PM
hey guysbengazhiiiiiii
 
2014-01-06 10:14:38 PM
I'd like to see him debate Christie on the big stage.  Something about the way they both approach things makes me think it would be a popcorn-and-beer-required event.
 
2014-01-06 10:15:57 PM
I don't want Hillary to be the candidate, not that she would be bad, but she'll be the status quo politician all over again. I prefer to get someone who's actually a liberal, even if they are too liberal to win. And really conservatives hate Hillary already. People already have preconceived opinions. I think the best chance to win in 2016 is someone a little off the radar.
 
2014-01-06 10:17:04 PM

meat0918: Haven't seen it


Imagine The Wire but more morally bankrupt.
 
2014-01-06 10:17:19 PM

Oh-Blonde-One: I'd like to see him debate Christie on the big stage.


It would be more entertaining on a little stage. Or maybe they can fight over a podium.
 
2014-01-06 10:19:02 PM
Should we be concerning ourselves with the 2017 Super Bowl, too?
 
2014-01-06 10:22:14 PM
meanwhile, the republican contenders so far....
sweatygirl.net
 
2014-01-06 10:24:27 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: Should we be concerning ourselves with the 2017 Super Bowl, too?


My employee ID badge expires in January, 2016. I'm almost beside myself with worry.
 
2014-01-06 10:25:24 PM

zeroman987: as a pinko commie liberal welfare state leech etc etc, he has my vote.


Well I can't go that far but I do wanna hear more from him. I've often thought the Dems should ( and I thought were for the most part) on limiting the 2nd amendment, and no one cares about the 4th anymore and looks like Utah is challenging the 14th. I'd rather not lose any rights I would however like to gain equal rights finally. So yeA lot's of times I've had to vote for people that don't understand the 2nd.
 
2014-01-06 10:26:18 PM

Radioactive Ass: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Doesn't the VP always get the inside track?

Cheney in 2008 sound familiar? No?

Some VP's get the inside track because that's what they came in for. Others not so much. It  can be a stepping stone but more times than not it is the highest office that they will ever get to, and that office has been famously described as being lower than a warm bucket of spit.

Biden isn't one of the ones who has a chance of being elected even with the VP spot bump. He just hasn't been all that involved publicly to get there.

\No, Fark's attempts to buy a Trans Am do not make him viable and might actually hurt him


Cheney said hell no well before W's second run. There were Republicans calling for W not to run with Cheney just so some up and comer could get some VP credentials and have a stronger chance to get the big job.

Biden has already ran for President and we all know he wants the job. Joe isn't going to sit this one out.
 
2014-01-06 10:27:36 PM

OrangeFree: TuteTibiImperes: I'd rather see a candidate that will speak up and say we should move to universal single payer healthcare, but otherwise his positions seem pretty good.

I'm hoping Warren runs.

Warren is nutty bananas. My  kind of nutty bananas mind you, but nutty bananas nonetheless. She can't win.


I think it will really depend on who wins the GOP ticket.  If the last gasp of the tea party is pushing through Cruz, or even better, Santorum, the Democrats could run pretty much anyone and still run away with it.
 
2014-01-06 10:30:45 PM
Holy shiat I like this guy. He seems unafraid of real talk which is extremely refreshing. I don't exactly agree with everything he's saying but I do agree with a bunch of it. Somehow methinks the corporations will not allow someone like this to get above 10% polling numbers though.
 
2014-01-06 10:32:28 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: zeroman987: as a pinko commie liberal welfare state leech etc etc, he has my vote.

Well I can't go that far but I do wanna hear more from him. I've often thought the Dems should ( and I thought were for the most part) on limiting the 2nd amendment, and no one cares about the 4th anymore and looks like Utah is challenging the 14th. I'd rather not lose any rights I would however like to gain equal rights finally. So yeA lot's of times I've had to vote for people that don't understand the 2nd.



I am still waiting for a clever tea party person (wait, I know what everyone will be falling over themselves to say, but hear me out) show up with a sign advocating 22ndAmendment solutions.
 
2014-01-06 10:33:31 PM

Omahawg: Hillary's time on the board of directors of wal-mart and tyson make her odious to me


I didn't know she had be damn... she really doesn't need to run to secure a place of her own in History. If she truly is the bet of the primary line up well I'll hold my nose and vote for her but dammit if she runs just to because she 'earned" it or it's "her time" and not for the good of country and party well. Hell look what Ted Kennedy did when he ran.
 
2014-01-06 10:35:18 PM

Snarfangel: tinfoil-hat maggie: zeroman987: as a pinko commie liberal welfare state leech etc etc, he has my vote.

Well I can't go that far but I do wanna hear more from him. I've often thought the Dems should ( and I thought were for the most part) on limiting the 2nd amendment, and no one cares about the 4th anymore and looks like Utah is challenging the 14th. I'd rather not lose any rights I would however like to gain equal rights finally. So yeA lot's of times I've had to vote for people that don't understand the 2nd.


I am still waiting for a clever tea party person (wait, I know what everyone will be falling over themselves to say, but hear me out) show up with a sign advocating 22ndAmendment solutions.


giggle snort ; )
 
2014-01-06 10:44:14 PM

namatad: My guess is that she could still beat the generic GOP candidate, and certainly would beat any of the candidates from the previous two elections.


romney with a democratic congress would have been ok. obama with a republican congress would have been a disaster.
 
2014-01-06 10:44:54 PM
Weigel hopes this in much the same way certain Farkers hope Bachmann will run again.
 
2014-01-06 10:50:27 PM

DeaH: Weigel hopes this in much the same way certain Farkers hope Bachmann will run again.


A Schweitzer candidacy will give Slate a little Wiegel room.
 
2014-01-06 10:50:48 PM

Curious: namatad: My guess is that she could still beat the generic GOP candidate, and certainly would beat any of the candidates from the previous two elections.

romney with a democratic congress would have been ok. obama with a republican congress would have been a disaster.


I can't see how it could have been any more of a cluster than what we've had since '10.  Even with the Republicans in control of only half of Congress they've managed to stall all forward momentum whilst dancing around like a bunch of monkeys with tabasco on their dicks.
 
2014-01-06 10:51:06 PM

skinnycatullus: Probably, but I haven't heard anyone who actually believes her. I think she'd be wise not to if she cares about how history regards her. Her stint as Sec of State left her pretty popular, with most people thinking she handled it well.


History generally doesn't remember Secretaries of State, but I see your point. I tend to believe her, I don't think she'll run or at least run long. She'll put some floaters out there and play the game a bit, but I think she's done.

In truth, she's lousy at it (the campaigning part). People might forget how nasty she was in the 2008 elections. I'm about as libby-libtard as they come and I wouldn't vote for her then. She was also quite the Chickenhawk in the Iraq War days, and some people haven't forgotten that. And technically, it's Biden's slot if he wants it (which is a long shot).

FriarReb98: We would easily see the dirtiest campaign in decades being run against her by everyone, possibly (but hopefully not) including the other candidates themselves.


Let's not forget how dirty ol Hills can and will be. If she would have found the remotest truth about Obama being Kenyan/Mooslim gay sharia guy, she would have squealed louder than Ned Beatty. Simply put, she couldn't find much dirt on him (which is why the GOP had to make up so much). It's almost a compliment as the Dems have been wimpy in the past, particularly Kerry letting the Swift Boat hilljacks step all over him. Hillary pulled all sorts of shenanagins in New Hampshire and Iowa.
 
2014-01-06 10:56:04 PM

MSFT: RminusQ:
I would be perfectly happy with VP-for-life Biden. Whoever wins the nomination just keeps choosing Joe for VP until he's 85.

That would be awesome.


We should start a petition. I'm down. Biden has been able to figure out a really good role for the VP; the court jester. He can say the shiat no one else can get away with, because no one really takes him seriously. But, like when he pre-empted Obama's announcement supporting gay marriage, he can help push things along. Was it the trans am thing that really got online fundraising going? He's done spectacularly, and I think the Dems would be smart to keep running him.

/on topic: I'd be down for a Warren/Davis or Warren/Biden ticket. As much as I'd like a husband and wife President, we need to get away from dynasties for a little while.
 
2014-01-06 10:59:23 PM

Peki: MSFT: RminusQ:
I would be perfectly happy with VP-for-life Biden. Whoever wins the nomination just keeps choosing Joe for VP until he's 85.

That would be awesome.

We should start a petition. I'm down. Biden has been able to figure out a really good role for the VP; the court jester. He can say the shiat no one else can get away with, because no one really takes him seriously. But, like when he pre-empted Obama's announcement supporting gay marriage, he can help push things along. Was it the trans am thing that really got online fundraising going? He's done spectacularly, and I think the Dems would be smart to keep running him.

/on topic: I'd be down for a Warren/Davis or Warren/Biden ticket. As much as I'd like a husband and wife President, we need to get away from dynasties for a little while.


Warren/Wyden
 
2014-01-06 11:02:18 PM
Glicky
 2014-01-06 09:05:36 PM

No More Clintons or Bushes in 2016...

You are doomed. It will be Hillary vs. Jeb Bush.
Love,
the New World Order.
 
2014-01-06 11:03:55 PM
ahasp
 2014-01-06 09:20:03 PM

All I want for Christmas is a Chris Christie vs. Robert Reich matchup.


See above.
 
2014-01-06 11:04:05 PM
I would register democrat to vote against Hillary.
 
2014-01-06 11:05:00 PM

propasaurus: So, I've been seeing this particular bit of concern trolling lately; the 'Democrats will call you misogynist if you don't vote for Hillary, just like they called you racist for to voting for Obama' bullshiat. I guess this is the new approved talking point from the right.
They're just very concerned.


I'm a liberal and as such I converse with some feminists and I have already been called a misogynist for criticizing Hillary and I assure you the criticisms had nothing to do with her gender. There's an unfortunate subset of feminists dripping with hatred who use that term every other word and Hillary is their perfect godess who can do no wrong, and they get very angry and hurt if you try and remind them that she's a person with flaws just like the rest of us.
 
2014-01-06 11:05:18 PM

Shostie: MrBallou: skinnycatullus: I love that guy. I hope Clinton doesn't even run (yeah, I know, no chance of that happening). But I do not look forward to being accused of misogyny when I don't support her in the primaries. And I'm afraid the fact that I can name half a dozen OTHER women I'd be delighted to support won't shield me from those accusations.

I think Hils would have been a good President, but 21 years of continuous character assignation by the Right has left her with way too much accumulated damage. I would dread a campaign season with her as the target. They've had decades to set up all sorts of anti-Hillary attacks. Better to start with somebody fresh.

They went nutballs with a black president. Electing a female Clinton president would cause absolute pandemonium for 4-8 years.


I think they're worn out already.
 
2014-01-06 11:08:14 PM

Fark It: Boxcutta: Great! It's the pro NRA Republican Democrat progressives have been clamoring for.

In 2006-2008 these were the exact type of Democrats that Howard Dean recruited and used to thrash the GOP.


Absolutely. And it's wonderful that he was the Governor of a red state. And he seems like a nice guy. But I don't want the Dem candidate for President to be further to the right than Obama.
 
2014-01-06 11:11:18 PM

Peki: MSFT: RminusQ:
I would be perfectly happy with VP-for-life Biden. Whoever wins the nomination just keeps choosing Joe for VP until he's 85.

That would be awesome.

We should start a petition. I'm down. Biden has been able to figure out a really good role for the VP; the court jester. He can say the shiat no one else can get away with, because no one really takes him seriously. But, like when he pre-empted Obama's announcement supporting gay marriage, he can help push things along. Was it the trans am thing that really got online fundraising going? He's done spectacularly, and I think the Dems would be smart to keep running him.

/on topic: I'd be down for a Warren/Davis or Warren/Biden ticket. As much as I'd like a husband and wife President, we need to get away from dynasties for a little while.


Biden brings in some really broad experience on foreign policy I really liked him on stuff like Meet the Press late 90's. Sure still a bit hawkish but he really is smart and it's a shame modern media needs a narrative maybe it always has.

/Oh and yea Warren was the one that really exited me at the 2012 convention but if Hillary wins the primary I'd be worried about a Hillary/Warren ticket.
//A Warren/Schweitzer ticket might work as well as the opposite way. When picking a good ticket you look to balance strengths and weaknesses and all if they can bring in a home stat e that was in play bonus..

/It's science ; )
 
2014-01-06 11:14:28 PM

Boxcutta: Fark It: Boxcutta: Great! It's the pro NRA Republican Democrat progressives have been clamoring for.

In 2006-2008 these were the exact type of Democrats that Howard Dean recruited and used to thrash the GOP.

Absolutely. And it's wonderful that he was the Governor of a red state. And he seems like a nice guy. But I don't want the Dem candidate for President to be further to the right than Obama.


I think Dean is pretty liberal with the exception of guns and he's certainly not very conservative about that, either.
 
2014-01-06 11:15:24 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: Peki: MSFT: RminusQ:
I would be perfectly happy with VP-for-life Biden. Whoever wins the nomination just keeps choosing Joe for VP until he's 85.

That would be awesome.

We should start a petition. I'm down. Biden has been able to figure out a really good role for the VP; the court jester. He can say the shiat no one else can get away with, because no one really takes him seriously. But, like when he pre-empted Obama's announcement supporting gay marriage, he can help push things along. Was it the trans am thing that really got online fundraising going? He's done spectacularly, and I think the Dems would be smart to keep running him.

/on topic: I'd be down for a Warren/Davis or Warren/Biden ticket. As much as I'd like a husband and wife President, we need to get away from dynasties for a little while.

Biden brings in some really broad experience on foreign policy I really liked him on stuff like Meet the Press late 90's. Sure still a bit hawkish but he really is smart and it's a shame modern media needs a narrative maybe it always has.

/Oh and yea Warren was the one that really exited me at the 2012 convention but if Hillary wins the primary I'd be worried about a Hillary/Warren ticket.
//A Warren/Schweitzer ticket might work as well as the opposite way. When picking a good ticket you look to balance strengths and weaknesses and all if they can bring in a home stat e that was in play bonus..

/It's science ; )


Yeah, but the narrative with Biden works so much better than it did with Quayle, Gore, and certainly Cheney. And you have to be smart to be a good court jester.

/all good suggestions to my prior. I'd still like to see a woman Pres though, even if not Hillary.
 
2014-01-06 11:17:57 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: Peki: MSFT: RminusQ:
I would be perfectly happy with VP-for-life Biden. Whoever wins the nomination just keeps choosing Joe for VP until he's 85.

That would be awesome.

We should start a petition. I'm down. Biden has been able to figure out a really good role for the VP; the court jester. He can say the shiat no one else can get away with, because no one really takes him seriously. But, like when he pre-empted Obama's announcement supporting gay marriage, he can help push things along. Was it the trans am thing that really got online fundraising going? He's done spectacularly, and I think the Dems would be smart to keep running him.

/on topic: I'd be down for a Warren/Davis or Warren/Biden ticket. As much as I'd like a husband and wife President, we need to get away from dynasties for a little while.

Biden brings in some really broad experience on foreign policy I really liked him on stuff like Meet the Press late 90's. Sure still a bit hawkish but he really is smart and it's a shame modern media needs a narrative maybe it always has.

/Oh and yea Warren was the one that really exited me at the 2012 convention but if Hillary wins the primary I'd be worried about a Hillary/Warren ticket.
//A Warren/Schweitzer ticket might work as well as the opposite way. When picking a good ticket you look to balance strengths and weaknesses and all if they can bring in a home stat e that was in play bonus..

/It's science ; )


I like Warren a lot, but I'd like to see broader and deeper experience at the top of the ticket
Biden/Warren
Brown/Warren
 
2014-01-06 11:27:48 PM
Clinton isn't running in 2016. We all know that Republicans are really hoping she does so they can go all Benghazi on her... but she isn't running.

I'd like to see Elizabeth Warren run, personally.

Either which way, I'll be voting for the lesser of two evils which is guaranteed to be a Democrat... so... thanks for being so shiatty that you leave me no alternative choices, Republicans.
 
2014-01-06 11:30:44 PM

Omahawg: Hillary's time on the board of directors of wal-mart and tyson make her odious to me


Yeah, I've never been very sure why the 'left' has been lining up behind somebody that was on the board of those two companies. Hell, she was on the board of Wal-Mart when they really started ramping up the pressure on suppliers to offshore their manufacturing. Just a few weeks ago she was giving a speech at Goldman Sachs saying people need to stop vilifying Wall Street.

SHE IS NOT ONE OF YOU, DESPITE THE D BEHIND HER NAME!!
 
2014-01-06 11:33:16 PM
If he walks this talk, I think I might like this guy.
 
2014-01-06 11:35:42 PM

buzzcut73: Omahawg: Hillary's time on the board of directors of wal-mart and tyson make her odious to me

Yeah, I've never been very sure why the 'left' has been lining up behind somebody that was on the board of those two companies. Hell, she was on the board of Wal-Mart when they really started ramping up the pressure on suppliers to offshore their manufacturing. Just a few weeks ago she was giving a speech at Goldman Sachs saying people need to stop vilifying Wall Street.

SHE IS NOT ONE OF YOU, DESPITE THE D BEHIND HER NAME!!


It's fun to watch Hillary try to rebrand herself as a progressive. She's competent and effective, but I don't think anyone thinks for a moment that Hillary is anything more than a center-righ corporate Democrat. Anyone looking for a liberal needs to look elsewhere.
 
2014-01-06 11:35:54 PM

Fart_Machine: CokeBear: Besides Hillary, you've got this guy (bonus, with NRA endorsement), maybe Biden and Elizabeth Warren?
I'd actually be ok with any of them.

If he actually reached past the primaries they'd pull that endorsement. Mitt got the NRA endorsement because he was a Republican.


Yup.  This Montana dude would all of a sudden become the most liberal candidate in history!
 
2014-01-06 11:41:37 PM
Geez, I can't believe the Democrat clown car mad such an early appearance.  Clint is going to need a theater of empty seats.
 
2014-01-06 11:42:22 PM
Geez, I can't believe the Democrat clown car made such an early appearance.  Clint is going to need a theater of empty seats.
 
2014-01-06 11:44:34 PM
Yeah, I'm a Democrat but I don't really want to vote for Hillary because I think us Democrats could find someone even more parasitic and psychotic than Hillary. And why are we even considering a Caucasoid for our Democrat nominee?
 
2014-01-06 11:49:41 PM

Peki: Yeah, but the narrative with Biden works so much better than it did with Quayle, Gore, and certainly Cheney. And you have to be smart to be a good court jester.

/all good suggestions to my prior. I'd still like to see a woman Pres though, even if not Hillary.


Well Bush Sr./Quayle didn't get reelected and they won because Reagan oh and Dukakis. Also Bush Sr. was Reagan's foreign policy credentials. Quayle I think was supposed to bring youth and vitality to the ticket same as Palin, lol, GOP and science. Gore got chewed up because of the narrative (oh and his dry ass personality) and who the hell was running mate I can't even remember without Google that's sad. Bush jr/Cheney . Cheney supposedly brought in foreign policy cred but not many people knew or understand what Bush jr's assemble team really wanted. Idid I cried that night and not because Gore lost Florida after all. I knew. Not what the fact were gonna be but I really wasn't surprise by anything that happened between 2000 to 2008.

/I cried a lot cause I couldn't do any thing else
//And Kerry wow they still didn't want to win, hell I can't remember his running mate of the top of my head that how memorable he must of been.
/ Anyway on a ticket you what balance and well all politicians have to be memorable as well.
 
2014-01-06 11:50:28 PM

skinnycatullus: But I do not look forward to being accused of misogyny when I don't support her in the primaries.


I never supported Hillary in the primaries. I never got called a misogynist. Why are you so afraid of it? When you support the right policies, the plumbing doesn't matter as much.
 
2014-01-06 11:52:15 PM
I'm ok with this.
of course, he won't get it. But it would be... fine.
 
2014-01-06 11:55:38 PM
Well, going by that interview I can tell I like the guy, so I guess we'll see what else he has to say in the next cpl years.
 
2014-01-06 11:56:01 PM
I'm running in 2016.

Vote for me!
 
2014-01-06 11:59:52 PM

Notabunny: tinfoil-hat maggie: Peki: MSFT: RminusQ:
I would be perfectly happy with VP-for-life Biden. Whoever wins the nomination just keeps choosing Joe for VP until he's 85.

That would be awesome.

We should start a petition. I'm down. Biden has been able to figure out a really good role for the VP; the court jester. He can say the shiat no one else can get away with, because no one really takes him seriously. But, like when he pre-empted Obama's announcement supporting gay marriage, he can help push things along. Was it the trans am thing that really got online fundraising going? He's done spectacularly, and I think the Dems would be smart to keep running him.

/on topic: I'd be down for a Warren/Davis or Warren/Biden ticket. As much as I'd like a husband and wife President, we need to get away from dynasties for a little while.

Biden brings in some really broad experience on foreign policy I really liked him on stuff like Meet the Press late 90's. Sure still a bit hawkish but he really is smart and it's a shame modern media needs a narrative maybe it always has.

/Oh and yea Warren was the one that really exited me at the 2012 convention but if Hillary wins the primary I'd be worried about a Hillary/Warren ticket.
//A Warren/Schweitzer ticket might work as well as the opposite way. When picking a good ticket you look to balance strengths and weaknesses and all if they can bring in a home stat e that was in play bonus..

/It's science ; )

I like Warren a lot, but I'd like to see broader and deeper experience at the top of the ticket
Biden/Warren
Brown/Warren


I could see that happening. It would be a strong ticket but even though Biden stomped on as politely as he could Palin and Ryan heh well no chance... well if he can do that again hell yeah I'd be for him. Granted as I said he is still hawkish AFAIK but Warren would be a good pick to soften his image and the real libs aren't gonna keep voting Dem forever with nothing to so for it.
 
2014-01-07 12:21:43 AM

meat0918: Fark It: meat0918: I have a problem voting for her in the primary, mostly because she should have left her serial philandering husband decades ago. And I like Bill.

I don't understand the "Stand by your man" mindset from her generation.

You're naive if you think they had anything other than a political marriage, like the Underwoods in House of Cards.

Haven't seen it, but that's what it seemed like once their marriage was in the public eye.  I'm sure it started out well intentioned enough, and based on love rather than political ambitions, but I'm a bit of a dreamer.


I'm pretty sure this is not what a marriage for the purpose of political ambitions looks like.

img15.nnm.ru

 
2014-01-07 12:22:50 AM
Anyone running for a political office who says "I don't trust politicians" is not fit for office. Since he's a former governor who's saying this now, I'd say he needs a mental health check-up.

/Why would I vote for someone who just told me not to trust him?
 
2014-01-07 12:26:43 AM

OrangeFree: Some people are born to be Presidents, some people are born to be great legislators. Warren was born to be a great legislator, much like Ted Kennedy compared to his brothers. Does anyone think this nation wasn't better served with the Lion in the Senate rather than the White House?


Actually, I think we were best served when he was anywhere other than his car.
 
2014-01-07 12:29:16 AM
Not to rain on everyone's parade, but the cynical side of me is reminded of how liberal Obama was in the 2008 campaign.

Sometimes it doesn't matter your policies during a campaign, but the realities you uncover when you're elected.
 
2014-01-07 12:37:13 AM
Ah, the Biden haters are already here.

/Did he slap your baby?
//Attempt to import slave labor?
///Put up a Mission Accomplished banner?
 
2014-01-07 12:39:39 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: zeroman987: as a pinko commie liberal welfare state leech etc etc, he has my vote.

Well I can't go that far but I do wanna hear more from him. I've often thought the Dems should ( and I thought were for the most part) on limiting the 2nd amendment, and no one cares about the 4th anymore and looks like Utah is challenging the 14th. I'd rather not lose any rights I would however like to gain equal rights finally. So yeA lot's of times I've had to vote for people that don't understand the 2nd.


I'd personally like to see someone address income inequality first and foremost. After that we can work on the other problems, many of which will solve themselves once income inequality is addressed. Less poverty = less crime = less "need" for cops to violate the 4th. And fewer people will want to exercise their 2nd when there are fewer criminals to protect against.

Utah's gonna lose the battle over the 14th, even in front of the Supremes. They'll find some way of chucking it back to the lower court like they did with the Cali case.

But that does bring up something important: Looking at the ages of the Justices, the next President will likely determine the makeup of the Supreme Court for the next few decades, in the same way Reagan did.
 
2014-01-07 12:40:36 AM

nekom: MrBallou:
How old are you? They went nutballs on her when Bill was President. They've been scared shiatless of the possibility of her becoming President since she was First Lady.

Our local right wing radio nut (who just recently got canned) hated her perhaps moreso than he hated Bill.  Some of that crap sticks too.  I STILL have a certain distaste for her, even though I couldn't tell you why.  I probably agree with her on a lot of things, and would probably vote for her anyway unless the GOP fields a reasonable candidate (unlikely), but I still don't "like" her.  I think it's just the decades of attacks.


Wow, that is some weird honesty there-

"I don't know why I don't like her, I guess it is just because I have been told not to like her"

I am pretty speechless.

Maybe you should think about it some more and make up your own mind.
 
2014-01-07 12:41:57 AM

Wake Up Sheeple: Anyone running for a political office who says "I don't trust politicians" is not fit for office. Since he's a former governor who's saying this now, I'd say he needs a mental health check-up.

/Why would I vote for someone who just told me not to trust him?


It's working great for Tea Partiers who say government doesn't work.
 
2014-01-07 12:43:58 AM

ox45tallboy: OrangeFree: Some people are born to be Presidents, some people are born to be great legislators. Warren was born to be a great legislator, much like Ted Kennedy compared to his brothers. Does anyone think this nation wasn't better served with the Lion in the Senate rather than the White House?

Actually, I think we were best served when he was anywhere other than his car.


giggle...snort, so true.
 
2014-01-07 12:49:54 AM

ox45tallboy: tinfoil-hat maggie: zeroman987: as a pinko commie liberal welfare state leech etc etc, he has my vote.

Well I can't go that far but I do wanna hear more from him. I've often thought the Dems should ( and I thought were for the most part) on limiting the 2nd amendment, and no one cares about the 4th anymore and looks like Utah is challenging the 14th. I'd rather not lose any rights I would however like to gain equal rights finally. So yeA lot's of times I've had to vote for people that don't understand the 2nd.

I'd personally like to see someone address income inequality first and foremost. After that we can work on the other problems, many of which will solve themselves once income inequality is addressed. Less poverty = less crime = less "need" for cops to violate the 4th. And fewer people will want to exercise their 2nd when there are fewer criminals to protect against.

Utah's gonna lose the battle over the 14th, even in front of the Supremes. They'll find some way of chucking it back to the lower court like they did with the Cali case.

But that does bring up something important: Looking at the ages of the Justices, the next President will likely determine the makeup of the Supreme Court for the next few decades, in the same way Reagan did.


I Utah brigs it to them they can't punt for lack of standing. It will be Lawrence v. Texas. I think they just want a truly solid case before them that can't get kicked by a later mcourt and on this I don't blame them. Either way almost half the country is gonna be pissed.
 
2014-01-07 01:15:40 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: ox45tallboy: OrangeFree: Some people are born to be Presidents, some people are born to be great legislators. Warren was born to be a great legislator, much like Ted Kennedy compared to his brothers. Does anyone think this nation wasn't better served with the Lion in the Senate rather than the White House?

Actually, I think we were best served when he was anywhere other than his car.

giggle...snort, so true.


Hey, I sent you an email yesterday. Check it when you get a minute.
 
2014-01-07 01:19:42 AM

EyeballKid: [www.esquire.com image 300x400]
I wouldn't be surprised to see a progressive Democrat with a history of cooperation with Republicans run.


I think Feingold is done attempting to run for anything. He was always the type that he'd serve however long he'd serve and then he'd leave.

It's always the good ones that leave too soon. The crappy ones you basically have to jail to get rid of them.
 
2014-01-07 01:31:19 AM

Fark It: It's kind of shocking to hear this coming from someone who was a Senator.  I can see a Rep saying something like that.  But a Senate Democrat?


Schweitzer was never a U.S. Senator. He lost a Senate bid in 2000, then became the (very popular) Governor of Montana. He most likely could have succeeded Baucus in the Senate in 2012, but said "fark that".
 
2014-01-07 01:32:39 AM

ox45tallboy: tinfoil-hat maggie: ox45tallboy: OrangeFree: Some people are born to be Presidents, some people are born to be great legislators. Warren was born to be a great legislator, much like Ted Kennedy compared to his brothers. Does anyone think this nation wasn't better served with the Lion in the Senate rather than the White House?

Actually, I think we were best served when he was anywhere other than his car.

giggle...snort, so true.

Hey, I sent you an email yesterday. Check it when you get a minute.


From the ox45tallboy address in profile? I didn't see it.

/Opps, I somehow deleted it with out looking at it and well... I was really bad this last weekend and I do worry because I don't remember all of it and that's not good.
//Anyway I found it and I'll read it and let you know when I can read it with a clear head.
/Oh and it's just I went way overboard with drinking nothing weirder than than that.
 
2014-01-07 01:39:32 AM

Omahawg: meanwhile, the republican contenders so far....
[sweatygirl.net image 850x455]


Except they're ALL Dopey and Grumpy.
 
2014-01-07 01:45:12 AM
Hitlery! Hitlery! Hitlery!
 
2014-01-07 01:45:29 AM

The Lizard People: Omahawg: meanwhile, the republican contenders so far....
[sweatygirl.net image 850x455]

Except they're ALL Dopey and Grumpy.


www.humanevents.com
"Who am I? Do I get to be Doc? I wanna be Doc!"

 
m00
2014-01-07 01:53:56 AM
I like this guy a lot.
 
2014-01-07 01:56:00 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: ox45tallboy: tinfoil-hat maggie: ox45tallboy: OrangeFree: Some people are born to be Presidents, some people are born to be great legislators. Warren was born to be a great legislator, much like Ted Kennedy compared to his brothers. Does anyone think this nation wasn't better served with the Lion in the Senate rather than the White House?

Actually, I think we were best served when he was anywhere other than his car.

giggle...snort, so true.

Hey, I sent you an email yesterday. Check it when you get a minute.

From the ox45tallboy address in profile? I didn't see it.

/Opps, I somehow deleted it with out looking at it and well... I was really bad this last weekend and I do worry because I don't remember all of it and that's not good.
//Anyway I found it and I'll read it and let you know when I can read it with a clear head.
/Oh and it's just I went way overboard with drinking nothing weirder than than that.


if you would have been really, really bad you would have taken a camera along :(
 
2014-01-07 02:11:44 AM
I'm voting Witch-King of Angmar this year, so it doesn't really matter.

Morgul/Cthulhu 2016
 
2014-01-07 02:13:42 AM

Omahawg: tinfoil-hat maggie: ox45tallboy: tinfoil-hat maggie: ox45tallboy: OrangeFree: Some people are born to be Presidents, some people are born to be great legislators. Warren was born to be a great legislator, much like Ted Kennedy compared to his brothers. Does anyone think this nation wasn't better served with the Lion in the Senate rather than the White House?

Actually, I think we were best served when he was anywhere other than his car.

giggle...snort, so true.

Hey, I sent you an email yesterday. Check it when you get a minute.

From the ox45tallboy address in profile? I didn't see it.

/Opps, I somehow deleted it with out looking at it and well... I was really bad this last weekend and I do worry because I don't remember all of it and that's not good.
//Anyway I found it and I'll read it and let you know when I can read it with a clear head.
/Oh and it's just I went way overboard with drinking nothing weirder than than that.

if you would have been really, really bad you would have taken a camera along :(


Uh oh, I haven't checked what pics are on my camera currently.... I just know for a bit I posted here for a bit and do not remember it. I did wake up in my own bed at least so I guess that's something.
 
2014-01-07 02:14:59 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: Omahawg: tinfoil-hat maggie: ox45tallboy: tinfoil-hat maggie: ox45tallboy: OrangeFree: Some people are born to be Presidents, some people are born to be great legislators. Warren was born to be a great legislator, much like Ted Kennedy compared to his brothers. Does anyone think this nation wasn't better served with the Lion in the Senate rather than the White House?

Actually, I think we were best served when he was anywhere other than his car.

giggle...snort, so true.

Hey, I sent you an email yesterday. Check it when you get a minute.

From the ox45tallboy address in profile? I didn't see it.

/Opps, I somehow deleted it with out looking at it and well... I was really bad this last weekend and I do worry because I don't remember all of it and that's not good.
//Anyway I found it and I'll read it and let you know when I can read it with a clear head.
/Oh and it's just I went way overboard with drinking nothing weirder than than that.

if you would have been really, really bad you would have taken a camera along :(

Uh oh, I haven't checked what pics are on my camera currently.... I just know for a bit I posted here for a bit and do not remember it. I did wake up in my own bed at least so I guess that's something.


better than your front yard in only your underwear

or not, depending :)
 
2014-01-07 02:15:12 AM

Gyrfalcon: I'm voting Witch-King of Angmar this year, so it doesn't really matter.

Morgul/Cthulhu 2016


What election is that I wanna vote too ; )
 
2014-01-07 02:16:50 AM

tbeatty: Geez, I can't believe the Democrat clown car mad such an early appearance.  Clint is going to need a theater of empty seats.


Because that worked so well last time.
 
2014-01-07 02:18:16 AM

Omahawg: better than your front yard in only your underwear

or not, depending :)


I plead the 5th. Or I cannot recall....
 
2014-01-07 02:39:58 AM

EyeballKid: I wouldn't be surprised to see a progressive Democrat with a history of cooperation with Republicans run.


He won't. I wish he would. He stood up against the un-Patriot Act. He's reasonably principled, for a politician. Most of all, he's not a legacy.

/Wish Hillary wouldn't run.
//I don't want dynasties
 
2014-01-07 02:41:02 AM
I'm not a democrat and I don't want to vote for any of the current members of the GOP freak show, or Hillary. Warren is too far left for me, and she's honestly unelectable at the national level anyway (deal with it). So considering all that, this guy seems pretty cool, someone I'd definitely consider throwing a meaningless red state vote at.
 
2014-01-07 03:11:26 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: //And Kerry wow they still didn't want to win, hell I can't remember his running mate of the top of my head that how memorable he must of been.


I think it was Edwards. There's a reason he's not mentioned much anymore.

Almost Everybody Poops: Not to rain on everyone's parade, but the cynical side of me is reminded of how liberal Obama was in the 2008 campaign.

Sometimes it doesn't matter your policies during a campaign, but the realities you uncover when you're elected.


This. That's why I generally give Obama the benefit of the doubt even on the things he's farked up (NDAA for example). There's got to be something he's seeing behind the scenes that made him go from what he was spouting off prior to being elected and what he's going for now. A lot of that can be placed on the do-nothing Congress, but it seems to me that the man looks like he's had to have a couple conversations with himself about what he'd like to have done versus what he could reasonably get done.

I can't wait for his memoirs. I want to hear what happened to the bright-eyed, naive community organizer and turned him into what sometimes is a very obviously tired man.

/not that I blame him in the slightest. It's probably the most difficult job in the world.
 
2014-01-07 03:17:31 AM

Cagey B: Fark It: I hope the media doesn't Ron Paul him though, his centrist credentials and NRA endorsement could be used to Tea Party him in the primaries, and he's a white guy so he's not going to be able to really pander to the identity politics-minded Democrats.

I see. The Democrats should value the NRA more, and anything that might matter to those pesky minorities is "identity politics" and should be ignored. Thanks for your concern.

Also, Ron Paul was f*cking insane. That had nothing to do with the media.


This is why liberals can't be historians. Someone always needs to be offended.
 
2014-01-07 03:22:54 AM

rorgus: This is why liberals can't be historians. Someone always needs to be offended.


So is that the only lie you tell yourself to maintain your bias or are there many?
 
2014-01-07 03:23:13 AM

ox45tallboy: And fewer people will want to exercise their 2nd when there are fewer criminals to protect against.


Haaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
 
2014-01-07 03:28:59 AM
The election is still MORE THAN TWO YEARS AWAY!
 
2014-01-07 03:34:30 AM

ox45tallboy: meat0918: Fark It: meat0918: I have a problem voting for her in the primary, mostly because she should have left her serial philandering husband decades ago. And I like Bill.

I don't understand the "Stand by your man" mindset from her generation.

You're naive if you think they had anything other than a political marriage, like the Underwoods in House of Cards.

Haven't seen it, but that's what it seemed like once their marriage was in the public eye.  I'm sure it started out well intentioned enough, and based on love rather than political ambitions, but I'm a bit of a dreamer.

I'm pretty sure this is not what a marriage for the purpose of political ambitions looks like.

[img15.nnm.ru image 470x462]


The problem is Bill wasn't satisfied keeping his extra curricular activities within the confines of their swinging.

What's that? You didn't know the Clintons were swingers? Oh! well, take a look at this pic taken just moments before things got fa-reaky on the Hillary for senate tour bus back in the day!

i.imgur.com


See that look on Bill's face? He banged Tipper like a drum that night!

/Then Hillary
//Then Tipper again while she and Hillary 69'd
///Al only got oral but was just glad to be involved somewhere
 
2014-01-07 03:43:55 AM

Peki: There's got to be something he's seeing behind the scenes that made him go from what he was spouting off prior to being elected and what he's going for now.


You have a man crush, we get it.
 
m00
2014-01-07 03:47:07 AM

Peki: There's got to be something he's seeing behind the scenes that made him go from what he was spouting off prior to being elected and what he's going for now.


money? (im a cynic)
 
2014-01-07 03:55:06 AM

beer4breakfast: Peki: There's got to be something he's seeing behind the scenes that made him go from what he was spouting off prior to being elected and what he's going for now.

You have a man crush, we get it.


*shakes head* I'm female. I realize I'm bi, and generally dig teh boobies, but Obama's not that bad looking. I'm spoken for, though, and he's not so good looking as to make him a marital exception.

m00: Peki: There's got to be something he's seeing behind the scenes that made him go from what he was spouting off prior to being elected and what he's going for now.

money? (im a cynic)


Doesn't explain the physical exhaustion signs. I don't think someone bought looks that ill at ease (until he gets caught, but I'm not sure Obama's ever been close). Plus, he's not really gotten much done (aside from win elections)! Why would anyone give him money?
 
2014-01-07 04:24:08 AM

OneBrightMonkey: I wish the senate were 50 Bernie Sanders and 50 Elizabeth Warrens.


I want to have your bright monkey babies in this shining happy land you speak of.
 
2014-01-07 04:31:05 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: Gyrfalcon: I'm voting Witch-King of Angmar this year, so it doesn't really matter.

Morgul/Cthulhu 2016

What election is that I wanna vote too ; )


The Evil party. Why not just go ahead and have one, admit it up front, and elect the most full-on sinister, depraved demi-gods one can find? Just go straight to the sub-basement and dwell there.
 
2014-01-07 04:53:22 AM

Fark It: meat0918: I have a problem voting for her in the primary, mostly because she should have left her serial philandering husband decades ago. And I like Bill.

I don't understand the "Stand by your man" mindset from her generation.

You're naive if you think they had anything other than a political marriage, like the Underwoods in House of Cards.


Did we watch the same House of Cards?
 
2014-01-07 04:58:54 AM

Boxcutta: Great! It's the pro NRA Republican Democrat progressives have been clamoring for.


Well you see, he seems to represent the CIVIL libertarian and anti-corporate/establishment liberals, you know the people that were so damn pissed during the Bush White House. Nothing he said was republican in nature, other than the gun thing. Liberals like that are also more left wing than people like Clinton since they are inherently anti corporate and Wall Street.
 
2014-01-07 06:13:13 AM
Electing Hillary after eight years of Obama would be to conservatives like what electing McCain after eight years of Bush Jr. would have been to liberals
 
2014-01-07 06:50:14 AM

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: Electing Hillary after eight years of Obama would be to conservatives like what electing McCain after eight years of Bush Jr. would have been to liberals


i18.photobucket.com
I heartily agree!
 
2014-01-07 07:57:44 AM
I hate to say it, but the Republican will win.

Their base is whipped into too much of a frenzy over Obama, and the Democratic base isn't particularly motivated right now.

We've got four years of absolute hell coming out way, folks. It's gonna suck.

My biggest concern is what these aholes do to the internet. As soon as the criminal scum element is totally in control, net neutrality will go out the window, and something like SOPA will be quickly approved.

Damnit.
 
2014-01-07 08:10:10 AM
doczoidberg
My biggest concern is what these aholes do to the internet. As soon as the criminal scum element is totally in control, net neutrality will go out the window, and something like SOPA will be quickly approved.

Our math is stronger. With a little bit of elbow grease, the hackers still run the Internet.
 
2014-01-07 08:14:07 AM

olderbudnoweiser: Some US Senator (looking at you, Al Franken) needs to snatch Sweitzer up by his bolo tie and tell him to stop being such a big fat idiot. HE NEEDS TO WIN THE BAUCUS SEAT! Tell Harry to let the shmuck bring his dang dog to the Senate floor if need be... But, come on! The man knows he's a win for the Dems!


images1.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2014-01-07 08:24:29 AM
I don't adhere to any particular political party, but I can almost guarantee that I'll be voting for Hillary in 2016.
 
2014-01-07 08:36:34 AM
I like Schweitzer but his 2012 DNC speech was really underwhelming. Don't know if he has the charisma to get much traction in the primaries.
 
2014-01-07 08:45:18 AM

Imperialism: I like Schweitzer but his 2012 DNC speech was really underwhelming. Don't know if he has the charisma to get much traction in the primaries.


Oh, no! He sucks on TV. We can't possibly vote for him.

Besides, Bubba his own bad self stunk out the joint in his first prime-time convention speech back in '88. He turned out okay, did he not?

Imagine a moderate Democrat with (Bill) Clinton's skills but no pointless character flaws, drama or entitled dynastic bullshiat.
 
2014-01-07 08:49:59 AM
Oh, I get it. A Tea-Party Democrat. Good luck with that one.
 
2014-01-07 09:00:12 AM
Why anyone in their right mind would vote for Hillary for president of the United States is beyond me. After the way she handled Benghazi, would you want her handling the entire country that same way? I would not.
 
2014-01-07 09:18:57 AM

RanDomino: doczoidberg
My biggest concern is what these aholes do to the internet. As soon as the criminal scum element is totally in control, net neutrality will go out the window, and something like SOPA will be quickly approved.

Our math is stronger. With a little bit of elbow grease, the hackers still run the Internet.


Plus we can read polls that haven't been unskewed.
 
2014-01-07 09:22:58 AM

Pick: Why anyone in their right mind would vote for Hillary for president of the United States is beyond me. After the way she handled Benghazi, would you want her handling the entire country that same way? I would not.


Because they are going to be confronted with the GOP's idea of an alternative - just like the last two times.
If they would knock it off with the preachers, inbred aristocrats, and deluded corporate pirates, a person in their right mind might consider NOT voting for Clinton in '16.
 
2014-01-07 09:23:06 AM

Fark It: this coming from someone who was a Senator.


Reading comprehension much? TFA states Schweitzer is not going to run for the open senate seat. He is a former Governor, not a Senator. Everything I know of him indicates he would have said the same thing if he had been a Senator, but the fact remains that he was never a Senator.
 
2014-01-07 09:25:56 AM

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: Electing Hillary after eight years of Obama would be to conservatives like what electing McCain after eight years of Bush Jr. would have been to liberals


Yeah, that.

I haven't heard it put so succinctly, nicely done.
 
2014-01-07 09:38:47 AM

Pick: Benghazi


*chug*
 
2014-01-07 09:55:55 AM

jwa007: It's funny.  In 2008 I KNEWHilary would be our next president and I couldn't farking wait.  Well, that did not go at all like I expected or wanted it to.  It pissed me off to no end that Obama managed to project the fairy tale image of Hope and Change and yank the rug out from under her.  And now we have had 8 years of a great orator, but not a great doer.  He has some things to his credit but at times his actions are indistinguishable from his predecessor.

But now, I'm not sure HIlary is the one I want to see in 2016.  This guy seems kind of cool, and for that very reason probably will not get anywhere.  Ah well.

Fark it.  My state is probably going to re-elect Rick Scott so we are all screwed down here, more than normal.

/no point to all of this except I once loved HIlary and now I'm not so sure.


I've worked the Democratic caucus in my area for 20 years, and I never saw anything like 2008 locally in my otherwise conservative Rep area of the Houston suburbs.
 
2014-01-07 10:04:06 AM
He young enough to be setting himself up for 2024.
 
2014-01-07 10:06:45 AM

Pick: Why anyone in their right mind would vote for Hillary for president of the United States is beyond me. After the way she handled Benghazi, would you want her handling the entire country that same way? I would not.


What difference does it make at this point how she handled Benghazi?
 
2014-01-07 10:27:53 AM
The GOP craps their pants at the thought of a ticket with Hillary with Steve Beshear as VP.   After cornering themselves with the Southern Strategy, what happens when the Democrats start pushing further into the South?  (after already taking Virginia).      Also hard to run solely focused on the failure of Obamacare when someone is on the ticket who has proved Obamacare can work.
 
2014-01-07 10:44:20 AM

InmanRoshi: The GOP craps their pants at the thought of a ticket with Hillary with Steve Beshear as VP.   After cornering themselves with the Southern Strategy, what happens when the Democrats start pushing further into the South?  (after already taking Virginia).      Also hard to run solely focused on the failure of Obamacare when someone is on the ticket who has proved Obamacare can work.


[citation needed]
 
2014-01-07 10:59:18 AM
illannoyin:
img.fark.net

Haha wow, that image needs a caption thread or something...
 
2014-01-07 11:18:36 AM

InmanRoshi: The GOP craps their pants at the thought of a ticket with Hillary with Steve Beshear as VP.   After cornering themselves with the Southern Strategy, what happens when the Democrats start pushing further into the South?  (after already taking Virginia).      Also hard to run solely focused on the failure of Obamacare when someone is on the ticket who has proved Obamacare can work.


Beshear has already said he has no interest in elected office once his term as governor is up.

I'm a native Kentuckian and current Hoosier, and have liked Beshear's pragmatic approach to governing (somewhat populist but not full-tilt progressive, which would NEVER work in a state like Kentucky).  He also goes full-bore at Fancy Farm, which is entertaining.

/can I has an Evan Bayh in 2016?
 
2014-01-07 11:19:08 AM

omgbears: illannoyin:
[img.fark.net image 560x309]

Haha wow, that image needs a caption thread or something...


"Man, that suit is you! You'll get some leg tonight for sure! Tell us how you do!"

/just wanted to imagine DLR's voice coming from Al Gore.
 
2014-01-07 11:30:29 AM

Benevolent Misanthrope: If Edward Snowden is a criminal, then so are a lot of people that are working within the CIA and the NSA who have been spying illegally on American citizens. They ought to grant Snowden clemency.

On "blowback" upon leaving Afghanistan: If it all goes to hell in a handbasket, that's fine. That happened after Alexander the Great left; that happened after the Russians left. Who cares? They live in the Stone Age. If you ask generals whether we should stay in a war a little longer, that's like asking a barber whether you need a haircut.

Slate: when you ran in 2004, when you won the governor's race, there were gay marriage and marijuana issues on the ballot, and Republicans thought they'd set "family values" traps for you.

Schweitzer: Oh, yeah, name these Republicans. The ones cheating on their third wives while they're talking about traditional family values? Those ones?


What the hell ass balls - a politican who expresses an opinion?  When the hell did that happen??


That's not exactly an  opinion, so much as things that are not really wise to say politically. I mean, yes, some of it is honest, logical opinion, but saying an entire nation lives in the Stone Age and openly not giving a fark...uh, not sure I want this guy in charge of anything. Not if he can't figure out how to be polite.
 
2014-01-07 12:32:19 PM

Tricky Chicken: InmanRoshi: The GOP craps their pants at the thought of a ticket with Hillary with Steve Beshear as VP.   After cornering themselves with the Southern Strategy, what happens when the Democrats start pushing further into the South?  (after already taking Virginia).      Also hard to run solely focused on the failure of Obamacare when someone is on the ticket who has proved Obamacare can work.

[citation needed]


media.economist.com
 
2014-01-07 12:41:02 PM

aimtastic: That photo makes me want to vote for Hilary Clinton. I don't think they could have chosen a douchier looking screenshot.


Clearly you think deeply about who you vote for.  I hope there's no white nationalists who are prettier than Hillary Clinton on the ballot.
 
2014-01-07 12:55:31 PM

MontanaDave: Fark It: this coming from someone who was a Senator.

Reading comprehension much? TFA states Schweitzer is not going to run for the open senate seat. He is a former Governor, not a Senator. Everything I know of him indicates he would have said the same thing if he had been a Senator, but the fact remains that he was never a Senator.


I herped.
 
2014-01-07 01:24:46 PM

Rent Party: Tricky Chicken: InmanRoshi: The GOP craps their pants at the thought of a ticket with Hillary with Steve Beshear as VP.   After cornering themselves with the Southern Strategy, what happens when the Democrats start pushing further into the South?  (after already taking Virginia).      Also hard to run solely focused on the failure of Obamacare when someone is on the ticket who has proved Obamacare can work.

[citation needed]

[media.economist.com image 595x335]


Funny, that doesn't look like Obamacare. Looks more like Massachusetts. Which as I am sure you are aware is a different thing.
 
2014-01-07 02:39:03 PM

Tricky Chicken: Rent Party: Tricky Chicken: InmanRoshi: The GOP craps their pants at the thought of a ticket with Hillary with Steve Beshear as VP.   After cornering themselves with the Southern Strategy, what happens when the Democrats start pushing further into the South?  (after already taking Virginia).      Also hard to run solely focused on the failure of Obamacare when someone is on the ticket who has proved Obamacare can work.

[citation needed]

[media.economist.com image 595x335]

Funny, that doesn't look like Obamacare. Looks more like Massachusetts. Which as I am sure you are aware is a different thing.


Gosh, I'm sure you know that "Obamacare" is actually "Romneycare,"  which has been pretty successful in  Massachusetts, thus demonstrating it can work.  I'm also likewise sure that made it pretty farking akward for Romney to bash on "Obamacare."

I am absolutely certain you will ignore this in favor of your derp.
 
2014-01-07 03:21:53 PM

Rent Party: Tricky Chicken: Rent Party: Tricky Chicken: InmanRoshi: The GOP craps their pants at the thought of a ticket with Hillary with Steve Beshear as VP.   After cornering themselves with the Southern Strategy, what happens when the Democrats start pushing further into the South?  (after already taking Virginia).      Also hard to run solely focused on the failure of Obamacare when someone is on the ticket who has proved Obamacare can work.

[citation needed]

[media.economist.com image 595x335]

Funny, that doesn't look like Obamacare. Looks more like Massachusetts. Which as I am sure you are aware is a different thing.

Gosh, I'm sure you know that "Obamacare" is actually "Romneycare,"  which has been pretty successful in  Massachusetts, thus demonstrating it can work.  I'm also likewise sure that made it pretty farking akward for Romney to bash on "Obamacare."

I am absolutely certain you will ignore this in favor of your derp.


Romneycare was revenue neutral, ACA came with half a trillion in new taxes.
Romneycare was passed with bipartisan support, ACA was entirely partisan.
One is federalism and the other isn't.

But keep telling yourself that they are the same thing. And never ever ever do a Google search looking for the differences. Stay in your own echo chamber.
 
2014-01-07 05:00:45 PM

Tricky Chicken: Romneycare was passed with bipartisan support, ACA was entirely partisan.


Which goes to show you that Democrats are willing to be reasonable, while Republicans will fight tooth and nail against their own ideas if the Democrats suggest them first.

/and never ever ever do a Google search looking for the similarities
//wouldn't want your echo chamber to be damaged
 
2014-01-07 05:17:54 PM

ArcadianRefugee: Tricky Chicken: Romneycare was passed with bipartisan support, ACA was entirely partisan.

Which goes to show you that Democrats are willing to be reasonable, while Republicans will fight tooth and nail against their own ideas if the Democrats suggest them first.

/and never ever ever do a Google search looking for the similarities
//wouldn't want your echo chamber to be damaged


touche
 
2014-01-08 01:58:01 AM

illannoyin: ox45tallboy: meat0918: Fark It: meat0918: I have a problem voting for her in the primary, mostly because she should have left her serial philandering husband decades ago. And I like Bill.

I don't understand the "Stand by your man" mindset from her generation.

You're naive if you think they had anything other than a political marriage, like the Underwoods in House of Cards.

Haven't seen it, but that's what it seemed like once their marriage was in the public eye.  I'm sure it started out well intentioned enough, and based on love rather than political ambitions, but I'm a bit of a dreamer.

I'm pretty sure this is not what a marriage for the purpose of political ambitions looks like.

[img15.nnm.ru image 470x462]

The problem is Bill wasn't satisfied keeping his extra curricular activities within the confines of their swinging.

What's that? You didn't know the Clintons were swingers? Oh! well, take a look at this pic taken just moments before things got fa-reaky on the Hillary for senate tour bus back in the day!

[i.imgur.com image 560x309]


See that look on Bill's face? He banged Tipper like a drum that night!

/Then Hillary
//Then Tipper again while she and Hillary 69'd
///Al only got oral but was just glad to be involved somewhere


And now we know the origin of An Inconvenient Truth.
 
Displayed 218 of 218 comments

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


This thread is closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »






Report