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2014-01-06 06:11:03 PM  
Doesn't the VP always get the inside track?
 
2014-01-06 06:12:22 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Doesn't the VP always get the inside track?


RELEASE THE BIDEN!
 
2014-01-06 06:20:56 PM  
www.esquire.com
I wouldn't be surprised to see a progressive Democrat with a history of cooperation with Republicans run.
 
2014-01-06 06:22:18 PM  
That photo makes me want to vote for Hilary Clinton. I don't think they could have chosen a douchier looking screenshot.
 
2014-01-06 06:25:04 PM  

aimtastic: That photo makes me want to vote for Hilary Clinton. I don't think they could have chosen a douchier looking screenshot.


He looks a little like a toad, doesn't he? I hope he's running as more than just a pretty face.
 
2014-01-06 06:27:28 PM  
If Edward Snowden is a criminal, then so are a lot of people that are working within the CIA and the NSA who have been spying illegally on American citizens. They ought to grant Snowden clemency.

On "blowback" upon leaving Afghanistan: If it all goes to hell in a handbasket, that's fine. That happened after Alexander the Great left; that happened after the Russians left. Who cares? They live in the Stone Age. If you ask generals whether we should stay in a war a little longer, that's like asking a barber whether you need a haircut.

Slate: when you ran in 2004, when you won the governor's race, there were gay marriage and marijuana issues on the ballot, and Republicans thought they'd set "family values" traps for you.

Schweitzer: Oh, yeah, name these Republicans. The ones cheating on their third wives while they're talking about traditional family values? Those ones?


What the hell ass balls - a politican who expresses an opinion?  When the hell did that happen??
 
2014-01-06 06:28:34 PM  
It's over two years away. Referring to any candidate as "most likely" is pretty well overstating it.
 
2014-01-06 06:30:09 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Doesn't the VP always get the inside track?


I don't think anyone seriously thinks Biden is going to run.
 
2014-01-06 06:31:37 PM  
I love that guy. I hope Clinton doesn't even run (yeah, I know, no chance of that happening). But I do not look forward to being accused of misogyny when I don't support her in the primaries. And I'm afraid the fact that I can name half a dozen OTHER women I'd be delighted to support won't shield me from those accusations.
 
2014-01-06 06:35:59 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: If Edward Snowden is a criminal, then so are a lot of people that are working within the CIA and the NSA who have been spying illegally on American citizens. They ought to grant Snowden clemency.


He does realize that the government spying part isn't why Snowden is an alleged criminal, right?
 
2014-01-06 06:37:57 PM  

skinnycatullus: I love that guy. I hope Clinton doesn't even run (yeah, I know, no chance of that happening). But I do not look forward to being accused of misogyny when I don't support her in the primaries. And I'm afraid the fact that I can name half a dozen OTHER women I'd be delighted to support won't shield me from those accusations.


Isn't she still saying she's not running?
 
2014-01-06 06:42:25 PM  
I'd rather see a candidate that will speak up and say we should move to universal single payer healthcare, but otherwise his positions seem pretty good.

I'm hoping Warren runs.
 
2014-01-06 06:47:38 PM  

timujin: skinnycatullus: I love that guy. I hope Clinton doesn't even run (yeah, I know, no chance of that happening). But I do not look forward to being accused of misogyny when I don't support her in the primaries. And I'm afraid the fact that I can name half a dozen OTHER women I'd be delighted to support won't shield me from those accusations.

Isn't she still saying she's not running?


Probably, but I haven't heard anyone who actually believes her. I think she'd be wise not to if she cares about how history regards her. Her stint as Sec of State left her pretty popular, with most people thinking she handled it well. Chances of that popularity surviving another bitter campaign and a presidential tenure in the toxic atmosphere that is DC these days are pretty farking slim.
 
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2014-01-06 06:50:18 PM  
Does anyone want to predict the inevitable date when someone on the lunatic right declares him to be "the most liberal governor in history"?
 
2014-01-06 07:05:24 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: If Edward Snowden is a criminal, then so are a lot of people that are working within the CIA and the NSA who have been spying illegally on American citizens. They ought to grant Snowden clemency.

On "blowback" upon leaving Afghanistan: If it all goes to hell in a handbasket, that's fine. That happened after Alexander the Great left; that happened after the Russians left. Who cares? They live in the Stone Age. If you ask generals whether we should stay in a war a little longer, that's like asking a barber whether you need a haircut.

Slate: when you ran in 2004, when you won the governor's race, there were gay marriage and marijuana issues on the ballot, and Republicans thought they'd set "family values" traps for you.

Schweitzer: Oh, yeah, name these Republicans. The ones cheating on their third wives while they're talking about traditional family values? Those ones?


What the hell ass balls - a politican who expresses an opinion?  When the hell did that happen??


It's kind of shocking to hear this coming from someone who was a Senator.  I can see a Rep saying something like that.  But a Senate Democrat?  The dude has some stones, and he's definitely a Washington outsider.  Given the popularity of Congress and Obama's approval ratings, that's huge.  I hope the media doesn't Ron Paul him though, his centrist credentials and NRA endorsement could be used to Tea Party him in the primaries, and he's a white guy so he's not going to be able to really pander to the identity politics-minded Democrats.  And then there's this:

The day after I got out of graduate school, after I defended my thesis, I went straight to Libya. I was there for a year; I was in Saudi Arabia for seven. I learned to speak Arabic. I can explain to you, in a way that almost no one else in the country can, the difference between a Sunni and a Shia. I can explain to you who and what the Wahhabis are in Saudi Arabia. I can talk to you about why we, the United States, initially got involved with the Saudi royal family, what we got out of the deal. I can explain to you why we knew Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. We knew, because we supplied chemical weapons to him so he could poison the Iranians. The Iranians are Persian, not Arab; they haven't got along for several thousand years.

Hillary's greatest strength is her foreign policy credentials from being SecState.  This guy can easily go toe-to-toe with her on that.
 
2014-01-06 07:07:51 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: What the hell ass balls - a politican who expresses an opinion?  When the hell did that happen??


I've really liked him since 2004 when he started showing up on Daily Kos. He bulls no shiat. The way he talks reminds me of Harry Truman.
 
2014-01-06 07:10:07 PM  
She's not running.

Let's get through the 2014 primaries and general before we start worrying about this crap.
 
2014-01-06 07:13:12 PM  
Schweitzer turned to the camera. "It helps to tape the federal ID card onto the clay pigeon," he said with a chuckle. "Gives me motivation."

Well, there's two points scored with the right, if they're honest about it.
 
2014-01-06 07:16:07 PM  

skinnycatullus: I love that guy. I hope Clinton doesn't even run (yeah, I know, no chance of that happening). But I do not look forward to being accused of misogyny when I don't support her in the primaries. And I'm afraid the fact that I can name half a dozen OTHER women I'd be delighted to support won't shield me from those accusations.


I think Hils would have been a good President, but 21 years of continuous character assignation by the Right has left her with way too much accumulated damage. I would dread a campaign season with her as the target. They've had decades to set up all sorts of anti-Hillary attacks. Better to start with somebody fresh.
 
2014-01-06 07:17:19 PM  

meat0918: She's not running.


Drudge actually has an original story tonight. Apparently, NSA is sending him select e-mail intercepts:

http://www.drudgereport.com/flash3b.htm
 
2014-01-06 07:17:57 PM  

Fark It: I hope the media doesn't Ron Paul him though, his centrist credentials and NRA endorsement could be used to Tea Party him in the primaries, and he's a white guy so he's not going to be able to really pander to the identity politics-minded Democrats.


I see. The Democrats should value the NRA more, and anything that might matter to those pesky minorities is "identity politics" and should be ignored. Thanks for your concern.

Also, Ron Paul was f*cking insane. That had nothing to do with the media.
 
2014-01-06 07:19:52 PM  

Cagey B: Fark It: I hope the media doesn't Ron Paul him though, his centrist credentials and NRA endorsement could be used to Tea Party him in the primaries, and he's a white guy so he's not going to be able to really pander to the identity politics-minded Democrats.

I see. The Democrats should value the NRA more, and anything that might matter to those pesky minorities is "identity politics" and should be ignored. Thanks for your concern.

Also, Ron Paul was f*cking insane. That had nothing to do with the media.


Case in point.
 
2014-01-06 07:20:28 PM  

EyeballKid: [www.esquire.com image 300x400]
I wouldn't be surprised to see a progressive Democrat with a history of cooperation with Republicans run.


I'd love to see Feingold run, but I don't know if he'd stand much of a chance.
 
2014-01-06 07:29:48 PM  

MrBallou: skinnycatullus: I love that guy. I hope Clinton doesn't even run (yeah, I know, no chance of that happening). But I do not look forward to being accused of misogyny when I don't support her in the primaries. And I'm afraid the fact that I can name half a dozen OTHER women I'd be delighted to support won't shield me from those accusations.

I think Hils would have been a good President, but 21 years of continuous character assignation by the Right has left her with way too much accumulated damage. I would dread a campaign season with her as the target. They've had decades to set up all sorts of anti-Hillary attacks. Better to start with somebody fresh.


They went nutballs with a black president. Electing a female Clinton president would cause absolute pandemonium for 4-8 years.
 
2014-01-06 07:31:29 PM  

Fark It: Cagey B: Fark It: I hope the media doesn't Ron Paul him though, his centrist credentials and NRA endorsement could be used to Tea Party him in the primaries, and he's a white guy so he's not going to be able to really pander to the identity politics-minded Democrats.

I see. The Democrats should value the NRA more, and anything that might matter to those pesky minorities is "identity politics" and should be ignored. Thanks for your concern.

Also, Ron Paul was f*cking insane. That had nothing to do with the media.

Case in point.


Of what, exactly? He seems fairly intelligent in the interview, meaning that if he were to run for president, he would probably not adopt the "personal nuclear armaments are protected by the Second Amendment" stance of the NRA. And since he's a Democrat, he's somewhat more likely to not be as much of a dickhole about people who make the unfortunate choice to not be white.

It was a more a comment on your idiotic view of politics than anything else. I hope this has been enlightening for you.
 
2014-01-06 07:37:10 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: I'd rather see a candidate that will speak up and say we should move to universal single payer healthcare, but otherwise his positions seem pretty good.

FTFA: "

The second thing is, you say to every citizen in the United States, now you have the option to buy into Medicare"

Single payer, medicare-for-all?  Sounds like exactly like what you're suggesting.
 
2014-01-06 07:41:43 PM  

fusillade762: Well, there's two points scored with the right, if they're honest about it.


Honesty from the right? Are you new here?
 
2014-01-06 07:46:29 PM  
Cagey B:  "personal nuclear armaments are protected by the Second Amendment" stance of the NRA

Citation needed

And since he's a Democrat, he's somewhat more likely to not be as much of a dickhole about people who make the unfortunate choice to not be white.
It was a more a comment on your idiotic view of politics than anything else. I hope this has been enlightening for you.


Since he's not Hillary Clinton, supporting him will make you a sexist, misogynistic asshole when the time comes.  You wait and see.  The left's monied, corporate interests (yes, they have them) do not want a guy like this to be President, and they'll use his pro-gun credentials against him, his skin color, Montana residency, and foreign policy views (fark Afghanistan, we should withdraw), to paint him as a closeted Libertarian, quasi-racist DINO.  Hillary Clinton makes (some of) the left croon, despite being a Wall Street Democrat who had an average run at Sec State (she left right before the Snowden fallout and before our deal with Iran).

/Schweitzer/Warren/Warren/Schweitzer 2016
//Say no to the Wall Street Democrats
 
2014-01-06 07:47:30 PM  

Triumph: meat0918: She's not running.

Drudge actually has an original story tonight. Apparently, NSA is sending him select e-mail intercepts:

http://www.drudgereport.com/flash3b.htm


I'll believe it when I see it somewhere else.

I have a problem voting for her in the primary, mostly because she should have left her serial philandering husband decades ago.  And I like Bill.

I don't understand the "Stand by your man" mindset from her generation.

I'd probably vote 3rd party in the general if she was leading in Oregon by any appreciable amount, but would hold my nose if it was close, as I don't think I'd be able to handle the policy making of a GOP president with a more than likely GOP controlled House and a possibly GOP controlled Senate.
 
2014-01-06 07:50:32 PM  

Fark It: Cagey B:  "personal nuclear armaments are protected by the Second Amendment" stance of the NRA

Citation needed

And since he's a Democrat, he's somewhat more likely to not be as much of a dickhole about people who make the unfortunate choice to not be white.
It was a more a comment on your idiotic view of politics than anything else. I hope this has been enlightening for you.

Since he's not Hillary Clinton, supporting him will make you a sexist, misogynistic asshole when the time comes.  You wait and see.  The left's monied, corporate interests (yes, they have them) do not want a guy like this to be President, and they'll use his pro-gun credentials against him, his skin color, Montana residency, and foreign policy views (fark Afghanistan, we should withdraw), to paint him as a closeted Libertarian, quasi-racist DINO.  Hillary Clinton makes (some of) the left croon, despite being a Wall Street Democrat who had an average run at Sec State (she left right before the Snowden fallout and before our deal with Iran).

/Schweitzer/Warren/Warren/Schweitzer 2016
//Say no to the Wall Street Democrats


Newsletter, subscription, etc.
 
2014-01-06 07:57:04 PM  

Shostie: MrBallou: skinnycatullus: I love that guy. I hope Clinton doesn't even run (yeah, I know, no chance of that happening). But I do not look forward to being accused of misogyny when I don't support her in the primaries. And I'm afraid the fact that I can name half a dozen OTHER women I'd be delighted to support won't shield me from those accusations.

I think Hils would have been a good President, but 21 years of continuous character assignation by the Right has left her with way too much accumulated damage. I would dread a campaign season with her as the target. They've had decades to set up all sorts of anti-Hillary attacks. Better to start with somebody fresh.

They went nutballs with a black president. Electing a female Clinton president would cause absolute pandemonium for 4-8 years.


How old are you? They went nutballs on her when Bill was President. They've been scared shiatless of the possibility of her becoming President since she was First Lady.
 
2014-01-06 07:59:38 PM  

EyeballKid: fusillade762: Well, there's two points scored with the right, if they're honest about it.

Honesty from the right? Are you new here?


Yeah, I know. What was I thinking?
 
2014-01-06 08:01:28 PM  
MrBallou:
How old are you? They went nutballs on her when Bill was President. They've been scared shiatless of the possibility of her becoming President since she was First Lady.

Our local right wing radio nut (who just recently got canned) hated her perhaps moreso than he hated Bill.  Some of that crap sticks too.  I STILL have a certain distaste for her, even though I couldn't tell you why.  I probably agree with her on a lot of things, and would probably vote for her anyway unless the GOP fields a reasonable candidate (unlikely), but I still don't "like" her.  I think it's just the decades of attacks.
 
2014-01-06 08:04:13 PM  

unyon: TuteTibiImperes: I'd rather see a candidate that will speak up and say we should move to universal single payer healthcare, but otherwise his positions seem pretty good.

FTFA: "The second thing is, you say to every citizen in the United States, now you have the option to buy into Medicare"

Single payer, medicare-for-all?  Sounds like exactly like what you're suggesting.


It sounds like the public option which was originally part of the ACA before the Democrats bargained it away.  It would be a nice step, but it's not really universal single payer.

I want a system where everyone has the same coverage, everything aside from vanity cosmetic surgeries is covered free of charge, and it's all paid out of tax revenue (I realize this would require a tax hike, I'm fine with that, I'll pay more in taxes to get that).
 
2014-01-06 08:05:06 PM  
clinton still looks the safe bet to beat the gop
 
2014-01-06 08:05:09 PM  
I want to start digging around the Internet for articles that ran in early 2006 about possible challengers to Hillary Clinton that show someone who didn't even run, or who bowed out after New Hampshire.
 
2014-01-06 08:07:53 PM  
I voted for her in the primary. My sons and husband voted for Obama. Now we've got so many good candidates, Martin from Maryland, Hillary, Uncle Joe,    we've got lots of good candidates.
 
2014-01-06 08:08:28 PM  
So, I've been seeing this particular bit of concern trolling lately; the 'Democrats will call you misogynist if you don't vote for Hillary, just like they called you racist for to voting for Obama' bullshiat. I guess this is the new approved talking point from the right.
They're just very concerned.
 
2014-01-06 08:13:14 PM  

jake_lex: I want to start digging around the Internet for articles that ran in early 2006 about possible challengers to Hillary Clinton that show someone who didn't even run, or who bowed out after New Hampshire.


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-01-06 08:16:45 PM  

nekom: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Doesn't the VP always get the inside track?

I don't think anyone seriously thinks Biden is going to run.


I would be perfectly happy with VP-for-life Biden. Whoever wins the nomination just keeps choosing Joe for VP until he's 85.
 
2014-01-06 08:19:02 PM  

meat0918: I have a problem voting for her in the primary, mostly because she should have left her serial philandering husband decades ago. And I like Bill.

I don't understand the "Stand by your man" mindset from her generation.


You're naive if you think they had anything other than a political marriage, like the Underwoods in House of Cards.
 
2014-01-06 08:19:52 PM  
I don't know about this whole Hilary 2016 thing. I mean, yeah, she's built herself a Presidential-sounding resume, but she has two things going against her: age and a giant-assed target on her back.

It's not just that she'd be the second-oldest ever to take the oath (and the 5th oldest ever period), it's that the office ages the fark out of people, even more so when you're talking about someone who would have the added stress of being the first female president of the US.  That's not exactly something that would be easy for anyone to take, let alone someone who'd be three months past 69.

Now add to that by  imagining just how monumentally the entire right, sexist pricks and a good chunk of the moderate left would freak the fark out if Hilary ran.  Hell, as we speak there are probably people in obscure county records offices digging through records looking for dirt on her.  There are entire corners of the internet with giant shrines to their hatred of her.  We would easily see the dirtiest campaign in decades being run against her by everyone, possibly (but hopefully not) including the other candidates themselves.

Any sane person would probably literally go on national television and radio just to literally say "fark that" to the entire idea.
 
2014-01-06 08:24:09 PM  

MrBallou: skinnycatullus: I love that guy. I hope Clinton doesn't even run (yeah, I know, no chance of that happening). But I do not look forward to being accused of misogyny when I don't support her in the primaries. And I'm afraid the fact that I can name half a dozen OTHER women I'd be delighted to support won't shield me from those accusations.

I think Hils would have been a good President, but 21 years of continuous character assignation by the Right has left her with way too much accumulated damage. I would dread a campaign season with her as the target. They've had decades to set up all sorts of anti-Hillary attacks. Better to start with somebody fresh.


so
People who never would have voted for her, still wont vote for her?
SHOCKING NEWS

My guess is that she could still beat the generic GOP candidate, and certainly would beat any of the candidates from the previous two elections.
NEWS at 11
 
2014-01-06 08:26:39 PM  
RminusQ:
I would be perfectly happy with VP-for-life Biden. Whoever wins the nomination just keeps choosing Joe for VP until he's 85.

I could get on board with that.  He's experienced, free from any significant scandal, and makes the odd hilarious gaffe.  What's not to like?  I just don't see him as a viable POTUS candidate.  But then about this time last cycle, we all knew it was going to be Hillary v 9iu11ani so who knows.
 
2014-01-06 08:28:25 PM  

MrBallou: How old are you? They went nutballs on her when Bill was President.


I know. That's why I said:

Shostie: Electing a female Clinton president would cause absolute pandemonium for 4-8 years.

 
2014-01-06 08:32:24 PM  
A black guy? Sure.
A woman? Maybe.

But I'm not sure that America is ready to elect an actual liberal yet.
 
2014-01-06 08:33:34 PM  
Fark it. Just about anyone with a (D) beside their name has my vote.
 
2014-01-06 08:34:01 PM  
Blatant case of the 'spiffy' tag going out of control and assaulting and binding the far more appropriate 'unlikely' tag.
 
2014-01-06 08:34:34 PM  

meat0918: She's not running.


I agree.  She's out there being a lightning rod and keeping the GOP's guns trained on her rather than whoever the real candidate will be.
 
2014-01-06 08:36:17 PM  
We need healthcare army.
 
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