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2014-01-06 04:36:26 PM
Unfortunately for that article it's made of words.  They used so many different words they had to reuse words from earlier in the article.  I kept waiting for the words to stop, but they just sat there, staring at me.  They probably still haven't moved.
 
2014-01-06 04:41:18 PM
I just came here to say that I should be credited as the originator of BSABSVR when I wrote that in 2004 to save time telling my parents to, "Buy San Andreas, buy Smackdown Vs. Raw," for me for Christmas. You're welcome, America.
 
2014-01-06 04:41:20 PM

staplermofo: Unfortunately


I didn't believe you.

My God, it's full of words!
 
2014-01-06 04:45:27 PM

Calmamity: staplermofo: Unfortunately

I didn't believe you.

My God, it's full of words!


They should have sent a poet.
 
2014-01-06 04:51:17 PM
Inappropriate word choice: tons
Cohesive, singular points made: 0
 
2014-01-06 04:52:52 PM
They have a name for it, it's called the "Overt Turd Window" or something...
 
2014-01-06 04:55:37 PM

Bareefer Obonghit: I just came here to say that I should be credited as the originator of BSABSVR when I wrote that in 2004 to save time telling my parents to, "Buy San Andreas, buy Smackdown Vs. Raw," for me for Christmas. You're welcome, America.


and two excellent choices, I must say.
 
2014-01-06 04:59:10 PM
Prior to Reagan's embrace of supply-side, every four-year presidential term but one since World War II had seen the federal debt decrease as a percentage of GDP. The only exception (Nixon-Ford) had seen a modest 0.2 percent increase. For all the complaining conservatives might do, there simply was no problem of "government living beyond its means" until Ronald Reagan came to town, and created the very problem that conservatives claimed was most dire.

Boom.
 
2014-01-06 04:59:20 PM
Subby, maybe you should try submitting posts from Twitter instead so that the twits can have something to read that doesn't call for more than 5 seconds of concentration.
 
2014-01-06 05:00:04 PM
Two things:

1) The fact that the GOP is trying to find someone for 2016 now shows they haven't learned from the failure that was 2012, nor are they able to control their own party.  We're just going to get more flavors of the month until the rich part of the party buys off the moderate and watches him self-destruct.

2) Paul Ryan has had multiple chances to be a winner, and every time he has dropped the ball.  Why he's being shoved upon the American population yet again shows that the Republican party thinks its smarter than everybody else and still underestimates how badly its game has been rumbled.
 
2014-01-06 05:05:07 PM
Putting Ryan in a category of right wing radicals makes it sound like the guy who wanted to give you a voucher for health care, privatize Social Security, and eliminate free school lunches for poor kids isn't serious about helping people.

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Pshaw, I say!  He looks very sincere to me!
 
2014-01-06 05:07:17 PM
If a pile of dog shiat had sex with a bucket of AIDS the offspring would be Paul Ryan.
 
2014-01-06 05:07:42 PM

Bareefer Obonghit: I just came here to say that I should be credited as the originator of BSABSVR when I wrote that in 2004 to save time telling my parents to, "Buy San Andreas, buy Smackdown Vs. Raw," for me for Christmas. You're welcome, America.


You keed but there is some Fark Independenttm kicking around here that claims to have invented the "this is bad news for Obama" meme, can't remember his name right off hand.
 
2014-01-06 05:08:31 PM
On this count, Ryan was supported by PolitiFact, which called it the "lie of the year" in 2011 when Democrats said - truthfully - that Ryan wanted to end Medicare. There is arguably no better example of how the so-called liberal media establishment does the conservatives' work for them than this.

A-farking-men.
 
2014-01-06 05:08:35 PM

Solutare: Subby, maybe you should try submitting posts from Twitter instead so that the twits can have something to read that doesn't call for more than 5 seconds of concentration.


The bigger issue is that people as a whole do not have the attention span to read that article.  So the message will rarely get past the people who already agree with it.

And this is partially why the Radical Right has been so successful. They use short simple slogans to disrupt any meaningful conversation.

You can throw around phrases like "small government," "fiscally responsible," "taxed enough, "
takers and moochers" all day long and the rubes will never notice what is really going on because they are too busy cheering.

I think part of the reason that the Left has been making ground in the past few years has been the ability to throw graphs out on the social media sites that are easy to read and make the point.  Articles like this are fine, but most people will never read it.
This however.....
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2014-01-06 05:11:28 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: Prior to Reagan's embrace of supply-side, every four-year presidential term but one since World War II had seen the federal debt decrease as a percentage of GDP. The only exception (Nixon-Ford) had seen a modest 0.2 percent increase. For all the complaining conservatives might do, there simply was no problem of "government living beyond its means" until Ronald Reagan came to town, and created the very problem that conservatives claimed was most dire.

Boom.


And?  The Clean Air (or Clear Skies) Act allowed for more pollution, the Clean Water Act raised the cap on arsenic in drinking water, et cetera and so forth.  They call something the opposite of what it does and blame the opposition for their own shenannigans.

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2014-01-06 05:13:43 PM

Guntram Shatterhand: Two things:

1) The fact that the GOP is trying to find someone for 2016 now shows they haven't learned from the failure that was 2012, nor are they able to control their own party.  We're just going to get more flavors of the month until the rich part of the party buys off the moderate and watches him self-destruct.


This comment assume there is a unified GOP doing things. There isn't.  The current GOP is made up mostly of people who have only one thing in common.   They hate liberals and democrats.  Other than that, most factions of the GOP cant stand each other.

More than anything else, It is this fact that people in the republican party has still not come to terms with.

2) Paul Ryan has had multiple chances to be a winner, and every time he has dropped the ball.  Why he's being shoved upon the American population yet again shows that the Republican party thinks its smarter than everybody else and still underestimates how badly its game has been rumbled.

He is young, and most other people in the GOP think he is "hip" so he will connect young voters. Ask a republican why they would vote for Paul Ryan (or any candidate) and you will get a bunch of gibberish about "he is young he he pisses off liberals."
 
2014-01-06 05:15:26 PM

blastoh: He is young, and most other people in the GOP think he is "hip" so he will connect young voters


Yeah, those hundreds of young Republican voters think he is their Rand come to Earth.  They count for a whole bunch of electoral votes.
 
2014-01-06 05:20:57 PM

blastoh: This however....


. . . ends 4 years ago where you can't see the full impact of the latest debt explosion.  Nice of you to leave that part out.
 
2014-01-06 05:22:21 PM
I misread the headline as "How Left Wing Distortion has shifted the political landscape; Yo the right: BSABSVR" and had a WTF moment until I reread the headline.

Sadly, I think the distortion has been more about milking the rubes for money rather than purposely tilting the media discourse to the right while the country asks for more progressive solutions to our mounting national problems.
 
2014-01-06 05:23:29 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: Prior to Reagan's embrace of supply-side, every four-year presidential term but one since World War II had seen the federal debt decrease as a percentage of GDP. The only exception (Nixon-Ford) had seen a modest 0.2 percent increase. For all the complaining conservatives might do, there simply was no problem of "government living beyond its means" until Ronald Reagan came to town, and created the very problem that conservatives claimed was most dire.

Boom.


1) Create budget problem

2) Scream about budget problem

3) Profit
 
2014-01-06 05:23:37 PM

blastoh: He is young, and most other people in the GOP think he is "hip" so he will connect young voters.


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2014-01-06 05:24:36 PM

blastoh: This however.....


And to bring that graph up to speed would have the debt at about 108% and we could add on another 3.7% if you wanted to include this year's estimated deficit to the top.
 
2014-01-06 05:25:34 PM
Nixon himself once famously said, "I've always thought the country could run itself domestically without a president," an indication of how little it normally figured in his own political priorities. But not always, as can be seen in the "war on drugs," the most spectacularly destructive domestic government program of the 20th century.


Man those Republicans are puuurrrrrrre eviiiiiiiiil!!!. Like, I remember the War on Drugs. Could thing Carter, Clinton, Obama put an end to that shiat!

/shakes fist at right wing and how they have shifted the political landscape in the USA
 
2014-01-06 05:26:14 PM

meat0918: I misread the headline as "How Left Wing Distortion has shifted the political landscape; Yo the right: BSABSVR" and had a WTF moment until I reread the headline.

Sadly, I think the distortion has been more about milking the rubes for money rather than purposely tilting the media discourse to the right while the country asks for more progressive solutions to our mounting national problems.


I personally see no difference between purposely tilting the media discourse to the right for money, and purposely tilting the media discourse to the right for ideology.
 
2014-01-06 05:28:25 PM
That was exhausting. Did it arrive at a point? Christie bad, maybe?
 
2014-01-06 05:28:45 PM

RoyBatty: Nixon himself once famously said, "I've always thought the country could run itself domestically without a president," an indication of how little it normally figured in his own political priorities. But not always, as can be seen in the "war on drugs," the most spectacularly destructive domestic government program of the 20th century.


Man those Republicans are puuurrrrrrre eviiiiiiiiil!!!. Like, I remember the War on Drugs. Could thing Carter, Clinton, Obama put an end to that shiat!

/shakes fist at right wing and how they have shifted the political landscape in the USA


Is this the portion of the thread where we reflexively blame Democrats while giving the guys who conceived of and implemented the policy a pass?
 
2014-01-06 05:31:19 PM

qorkfiend: Is this the portion of the thread where we reflexively blame Democrats while giving the guys who conceived of and implemented the policy a pass?


No it's the part of the thread where we complain the article was too long and exhausting to read because we can't accept any criticism of conservatism and it's consistent and repeated failures.
 
2014-01-06 05:32:51 PM

Bareefer Obonghit: I just came here to say that I should be credited as the originator of BSABSVR when I wrote that in 2004 to save time telling my parents to, "Buy San Andreas, buy Smackdown Vs. Raw," for me for Christmas. You're welcome, America.


You are the originator of my soon-to-be-cat's name, btw.
 
2014-01-06 05:34:18 PM

Cletus C.: That was exhausting. Did it arrive at a point? Christie bad, maybe?


Mostly - 'Republicans bad'.  It is a Rosenberg article from Salon so no groundbreaking information needed for the echo chamber here.  Reminded me of the same basic points in reverse you hear from Rush and - at least from me - it seems to basically boil down to a 'NO YOU' finger pointing fight.
 
2014-01-06 05:35:46 PM

Soup4Bonnie: blastoh: He is young, and most other people in the GOP think he is "hip" so he will connect young voters

Yeah, those hundreds of young Republican voters think he is their Rand come to Earth.  They count for a whole bunch of electoral votes.


What are you talking about? Paul Ryan is totally hip and on pulse with today's modern youth culture. His iPod has both AC/DC and Led Zeppelin on it!
 
2014-01-06 05:38:19 PM
Today from the "no shiat, Sherlock" category...
 
2014-01-06 05:40:18 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: No it's the part of the thread where we complain the article was too long and exhausting to read because we can't accept any criticism of conservatism and it's consistent and repeated failures.


To be fair, any article that has a list of conservatism and its failures that is remotely comprehensive and honest  willbe long and exhausting to read.
 
2014-01-06 05:42:42 PM

Re: Overton Window:
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Right-wingers got the idea from Calvin. Too bad the American public isn't as smart as his Mom.

 
2014-01-06 05:44:31 PM

HeadLever: Reminded me of the same basic points in reverse you hear from Rush...


Oh, please.  Rush is a shock jock.  This is nothing of the sort of pablum he pushes out of one of his orifices every day.  Fair criticisms accepted, but that one is just not.
 
2014-01-06 05:46:21 PM

qorkfiend: RoyBatty: Nixon himself once famously said, "I've always thought the country could run itself domestically without a president," an indication of how little it normally figured in his own political priorities. But not always, as can be seen in the "war on drugs," the most spectacularly destructive domestic government program of the 20th century.


Man those Republicans are puuurrrrrrre eviiiiiiiiil!!!. Like, I remember the War on Drugs. Could thing Carter, Clinton, Obama put an end to that shiat!

/shakes fist at right wing and how they have shifted the political landscape in the USA

Is this the portion of the thread where we reflexively blame Democrats while giving the guys who conceived of and implemented the policy a pass?


No, just the part where I refuse to believe that with 20 years of Democratic Presidents in there, that the Democrats were helpless little biatches, and instead point out that Democratic lobbyists, Democratic donors, and Democratic led companies have made plenty of moolah helping advance right wing policies they claimed to be against.

So any article that goes on at length about evil Republicans and never once mentions Democratic collusion is telling a distorted story and deserves to be met with skepticism, if not derision.

Back to you were you can tell us more about President Obama, civil libertarian, drug war ender, Privacy God, Keynesian savior of the economy and the little guy and the President who brought us a single payer healthplan.
 
2014-01-06 05:46:40 PM

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RIP

 
2014-01-06 05:48:36 PM
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2014-01-06 05:51:33 PM

HeadLever: Cletus C.: That was exhausting. Did it arrive at a point? Christie bad, maybe?

Mostly - 'Republicans bad'.  It is a Rosenberg article from Salon so no groundbreaking information needed for the echo chamber here.  Reminded me of the same basic points in reverse you hear from Rush and - at least from me - it seems to basically boil down to a 'NO YOU' finger pointing fight.


"echo chamber" meaning "people who live in the reality-based community," right?
 
2014-01-06 05:55:39 PM

RoyBatty: So any article that goes on at length about evil Republicans and never once mentions Democratic collusion is telling a distorted story and deserves to be met with skepticism, if not derision.

Back to you were you can tell us more about President Obama, civil libertarian, drug war ender, Privacy God, Keynesian savior of the economy and the little guy and the President who brought us a single payer healthplan.


The first President I was old enough to vote for was Bill Clinton. During the Clinton administration, the GOP did everything it could possibly do within the laws of the Republic, to either mitigate and reverse all of his stated policy goals, or remove him from office. During the Obama administration, same thing. Sorry if these recent legislative history don't support your "Balanced" point of view. And I didn't know the President campaigned on any of those things you listed.

Furthermore, I've always thought Blade Runner was an overrated movie. Just saying.
 
2014-01-06 05:56:01 PM
Shifted the landscape by thumping the bible all day and trying to paint the left as a bunch of atheists that abort babies, take your guns and give handouts to the poor?
Then, yes.
 
2014-01-06 05:56:21 PM

qorkfiend: meat0918: I misread the headline as "How Left Wing Distortion has shifted the political landscape; Yo the right: BSABSVR" and had a WTF moment until I reread the headline.

Sadly, I think the distortion has been more about milking the rubes for money rather than purposely tilting the media discourse to the right while the country asks for more progressive solutions to our mounting national problems.

I personally see no difference between purposely tilting the media discourse to the right for money, and purposely tilting the media discourse to the right for ideology.


I can see that.

My wife and I have a personal mission that we'd like to take nationally.  It's time to take back words and phrases from the Right Wing, things like "family values" so that when you utter them, you are not automatically assumed to be some anti-gay misogynist, but instead someone that understands "family" maybe one mom and one dad, two moms, two dads, grandparents raising a grandchild, single parents, all doing the best they can, but that you are raising your kids so they can succeed in life.

It's hard to do because 1)We don't have the billions to combat the billions the GOP supporters have and 2) so many words and phrases (thanks Newt, you sonofabiatch) have been corrupted by the GOP, it's hard to even say you want to take those words back without relying on other words that have had their meanings co-opted and dogwhistled!.
 
2014-01-06 05:59:28 PM

blastoh: Guntram Shatterhand: Two things:

1) The fact that the GOP is trying to find someone for 2016 now shows they haven't learned from the failure that was 2012, nor are they able to control their own party.  We're just going to get more flavors of the month until the rich part of the party buys off the moderate and watches him self-destruct.

This comment assume there is a unified GOP doing things. There isn't.  The current GOP is made up mostly of people who have only one thing in common.   They hate liberals and democrats.  Other than that, most factions of the GOP cant stand each other.

More than anything else, It is this fact that people in the republican party has still not come to terms with.


That's actually a really interesting point. It's like the Sunni and Shaia Muslims, who, to all outside observers, follow many of the same teachings, share the same beliefs, and come from a fairly similar culture, yet they can't stand each other. The only thing they agree on is their hatred of the West.

Hmmm, religious zealotry, hatred, and intolerance... how do they fit together?
 
2014-01-06 06:01:41 PM

Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: "echo chamber" meaning "people who live in the reality-based community," right?


Not really.  Echo chamber is generally someplace where everyone is saying the same thing over and over again.  Being reality based or pure fantasy has nothing to do with it.
 
2014-01-06 06:02:31 PM

Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: HeadLever: Cletus C.: That was exhausting. Did it arrive at a point? Christie bad, maybe?

Mostly - 'Republicans bad'.  It is a Rosenberg article from Salon so no groundbreaking information needed for the echo chamber here.  Reminded me of the same basic points in reverse you hear from Rush and - at least from me - it seems to basically boil down to a 'NO YOU' finger pointing fight.

"echo chamber" meaning "people who live in the reality-based community," right?


What a "reality-based community" might look like.

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2014-01-06 06:02:43 PM

Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: HeadLever: Cletus C.: That was exhausting. Did it arrive at a point? Christie bad, maybe?

Mostly - 'Republicans bad'. It is a Rosenberg article from Salon so no groundbreaking information needed for the echo chamber here. Reminded me of the same basic points in reverse you hear from Rush and - at least from me - it seems to basically boil down to a 'NO YOU' finger pointing fight.

"echo chamber" meaning "people who live in the reality-based community," right?


Forget it, he's rolling. And like all right wing apologists, going IMAX with his projection.
 
2014-01-06 06:03:13 PM

qorkfiend: RoyBatty: Nixon himself once famously said, "I've always thought the country could run itself domestically without a president," an indication of how little it normally figured in his own political priorities. But not always, as can be seen in the "war on drugs," the most spectacularly destructive domestic government program of the 20th century.


Man those Republicans are puuurrrrrrre eviiiiiiiiil!!!. Like, I remember the War on Drugs. Could thing Carter, Clinton, Obama put an end to that shiat!

/shakes fist at right wing and how they have shifted the political landscape in the USA

Is this the portion of the thread where we reflexively blame Democrats while giving the guys who conceived of and implemented the policy a pass?


But don't you dare call him a concern troll.
 
2014-01-06 06:08:21 PM

RoyBatty: No, just the part where I refuse to believe that with 20 years of Democratic Presidents in there, that the Democrats were helpless little biatches, and instead point out that Democratic lobbyists, Democratic donors, and Democratic led companies have made plenty of moolah helping advance right wing policies they claimed to be against.

So any article that goes on at length about evil Republicans and never once mentions Democratic collusion is telling a distorted story and deserves to be met with skepticism, if not derision.


If the country as a whole had done OK when both Democrats and Republicans were installing "their" ideologies, I'd be fine with that.

When Democrats (and Ike) do their thing, everyone makes money, including the government.
When Republicans do their thing, everyone makes money except the 99% and the government.

Which is what the article was about - everyone's got their ideology, it's just that only in certain circumstances (including, you'll notice, Clinton's assumption of the business-right into the Democratic Party) does everyone benefit from it. The author really doesn't take issue with "collusion" so much as it does the effects of it.

If you're upset that "Democratic collusion" produces a better outcome for everyone and "Republican collusion" doesn't...I don't know what to tell you.
 
2014-01-06 06:10:04 PM

what_now: Bareefer Obonghit: I just came here to say that I should be credited as the originator of BSABSVR when I wrote that in 2004 to save time telling my parents to, "Buy San Andreas, buy Smackdown Vs. Raw," for me for Christmas. You're welcome, America.

You are the originator of my soon-to-be-cat's name, btw.


Commander Meow Meow lives?!
 
2014-01-06 06:14:34 PM

Dr Dreidel: When Democrats (and Ike) do their thing, everyone makes money, including the government.


Except for when they don't.

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