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(The Raw Story)   I'll see your Ten Commandments monument and raise you this 7-foot tall statue of the Satanic Goat-Lord Baphomet   (rawstory.com) divider line 122
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2014-01-06 04:43:42 PM  
26 votes:

Mugato: At least Christians were just raised that way. These Satanists and Flying Spaghetti Monster people are just intentionally being dicks on their own.


The Satanists and Flying Spaghetti Monster people seem to have a far better grasp on what religious freedom means under the Constitution.
2014-01-06 04:36:50 PM  
19 votes:

Mugato: At least Christians were just raised that way. These Satanists and Flying Spaghetti Monster people are just intentionally being dicks on their own.


No, they're making a point.
2014-01-06 04:47:18 PM  
15 votes:

Mugato: These Satanists and Flying Spaghetti Monster people are just intentionally being dicks on their own exercising their first-amendment rights.


FTFY
2014-01-06 05:11:46 PM  
13 votes:

Mugato: At least Christians were just raised that way. These Satanists and Flying Spaghetti Monster people are just intentionally being dicks on their own.


oh, i'm sorry - is somebody's religious display on public land making you feel uncomfortable?
2014-01-06 04:52:41 PM  
13 votes:
After other groups - including PETA and the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster - asked for their own displays, the Oklahoma City Capitol Preservation Commission placed a moratorium on new monuments at the statehouse.

I love how once the Christians got what they wanted they immediately banned any more monuments. Typical Christian crap.

"OUR GOD IS THE ONLY GOD. F*CK YOU! F*CK YOU!"
2014-01-06 05:45:56 PM  
11 votes:

Mugato: FlashHarry: Mugato: At least Christians were just raised that way. These Satanists and Flying Spaghetti Monster people are just intentionally being dicks on their own.

oh, i'm sorry - is somebody's religious display on public land making you feel uncomfortable?

I'm sure that was their intended goal but no, I don't give a shiat. Just observing that they're being sort of obnoxious. I get the whole 1st amendment thing. Just don't pretend these are those people's actual religions.


Then don't pretend that these "Christians" have any intention of following the words of Jesus.
2014-01-06 05:39:13 PM  
11 votes:
"This is a faith-based nation and a faith-based state," Rep. Earl Sears (R-Bartlesville) said. "I think it is very offensive they would contemplate or even have this kind of conversation."

Oh right, I forgot about your constitutional right not to be offended.


Mugato: At least Christians were just raised that way. These Satanists and Flying Spaghetti Monster people are just intentionally being dicks on their own.


Every time I hear someone use the phrase "That's just the way I was raised" to justify their own dickish behavior I want to punch them in the neck.
2014-01-06 06:32:43 PM  
8 votes:

Lee451: If atheists,satanists,et al wanted to make a statement, they would take the money they are raising for the goat statue and use it for a real cause, such as the child who cannot blink and needs $20K just to be diagnosed (other link/thread). These people are proud to be harassing Christians when they could be doing actual good.


How much did the Ten Commandments monument cost?
2014-01-06 06:04:44 PM  
7 votes:
Whoa, wait?  These are foundations of western civilization?

17 "Do not make any idols.
18"Celebrate the Festival of Unleavened Bread. For seven days eat bread made without yeast, as I commanded you. Do this at the appointed time in the month of Aviv, for in that month you came out of Egypt.
19"The first offspring of every womb belongs to me, including all the firstborn males of your livestock, whether from herd or flock. 20Redeem the firstborn donkey with a lamb, but if you do not redeem it, break its neck. Redeem all your firstborn sons.
"No one is to appear before me empty-handed.
21"Six days you shall labor, but on the seventh day you shall rest; even during the plowing season and harvest you must rest.
22"Celebrate the Festival of Weeks with the firstfruits of the wheat harvest, and the Festival of Ingathering at the turn of the year.
23Three times a year all your men are to appear before the Sovereign Lord, the God of Israel. 24I will drive out nations before you and enlarge your territory, and no one will covet your land when you go up three times each year to appear before the Lord your God.
25"Do not offer the blood of a sacrifice to me along with anything containing yeast, and do not let any of the sacrifice from the Passover Festival remain until morning.
26"Bring the best of the firstfruits of your soil to the house of the Lord your God.
"Do not cook a young goat in its mother's milk."
27Then the Lord said to Moses, "Write down these words, for in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel." 28Moses was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights without eating bread or drinking water. And he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant-the Ten Commandments.


I missed a LOT in my Western Civ class, apparently.  People still take food to church for tithing?  We still appear before God three times a year? And I am Soooo glad I was the last child...
2014-01-06 06:37:50 PM  
6 votes:

Lee451: If atheists,satanists,et al wanted to make a statement, they would take the money they are raising for the goat statue and use it for a real cause, such as the child who cannot blink and needs $20K just to be diagnosed (other link/thread). These people are proud to be harassing Christians when they could be doing actual good.


Your point goes both ways. Christians could do a lot of actual good with the millions they spend running ads against marriage equality.
2014-01-06 06:29:59 PM  
6 votes:

Herr Flick's Revenge: TV's Vinnie: 1. Allow Christians to set up their monument

2. Place a moratorium on any other religious monuments so they can't get the same right

Yep. "Freedom of worship", all right.

Who is being stopped from worshiping?
Not erecting a statue does not interfere with any religious observances.


Erecting a statue for one religion and refusing to erect a statue for any other religion makes it look like the first religion is being sponsored by the state, seeing as how the property said statues would be erected on is state property. Putting up the 10 commandments alone would not have been a violation of the first amendment, but their refusal to allow any other statue to be put up is what puts them in the wrong.
2014-01-06 06:04:26 PM  
6 votes:

Mugato: At least Christians were just raised that way. These Satanists and Flying Spaghetti Monster people are just intentionally being dicks on their own.


When Satanists introduce legislation to deny Christians the right to marry, you'll have a point about which side is on the attack.
2014-01-06 05:47:39 PM  
6 votes:
a57.foxnews.com
The Satanist statue looks better - just sayin'

Anyway, when the ACLU gets done with you Oklahoma, there won't be any statue on the state house grounds.

/so take a picture, it'll last longer
2014-01-06 04:34:12 PM  
6 votes:
At least Christians were just raised that way. These Satanists and Flying Spaghetti Monster people are just intentionally being dicks on their own.
2014-01-06 06:23:52 PM  
5 votes:

Herr Flick's Revenge: TV's Vinnie: 1. Allow Christians to set up their monument

2. Place a moratorium on any other religious monuments so they can't get the same right

Yep. "Freedom of worship", all right.

Who is being stopped from worshiping?
Not erecting a statue does not interfere with any religious observances.


So we agree that a Christian monument on public land has nothing at all to do with the free exercise of religion.  Cool.  So why is it there, then?
rpm
2014-01-06 06:02:14 PM  
5 votes:

FlashHarry: Mugato: I get the whole 1st amendment thing. Just don't pretend these are those people's actual religions.

what defines an "actual religion," pray tell? age? number of adherents? relative wackiness of its teachings?


I belong to a religion, you belong to a cult, duh.
2014-01-06 05:50:07 PM  
5 votes:
"This is a faith-based nation and a faith-based state," Rep. Earl Sears (R-Bartlesville) said.

No.  No, it's not, you trailer-dwelling, cousin-farking, terra-cotta-toothed, subliterate peckerwood.

For Cthulhu's SAKE, you assholes, just STOP IT.
2014-01-06 05:41:37 PM  
5 votes:

letrole: Paganism is not a Religion.


This is probably where you should consult a dictionary.
2014-01-06 04:55:17 PM  
5 votes:
I think the reason I can't take satanists seriously is because they need Christianity to define themselves. They lock themselves into a mythological cycle that is by and large defined by their avowed enemies.
2014-01-06 04:47:18 PM  
5 votes:

FlashHarry: [www.rawstory.com image 615x345]

i love the children on either side. a nice touch.


That's the creepiest part.

That has nothing to do with the statue of the Bahomet, btw... I just find statues of children creepy to begin with.
2014-01-06 07:27:39 PM  
4 votes:

Lee451: If atheists,satanists,et al wanted to make a statement, they would take the money they are raising for the goat statue and use it for a real cause, such as the child who cannot blink and needs $20K just to be diagnosed (other link/thread). These people are proud to be harassing Christians when they could be doing actual good.


Why aren't the Christians helping that kid?
2014-01-06 07:24:54 PM  
4 votes:
Zeus gets no love!!! I propose the following!

vincentloy.files.wordpress.com
2014-01-06 07:24:32 PM  
4 votes:

Mugato: I'm sure that was their intended goal but no, I don't give a shiat. Just observing that they're being sort of obnoxious. I get the whole 1st amendment thing. Just don't pretend these are those people's actual religions.


www.ashgate.com

I'm sure you believe that and that it makes you feel better to say it, but that is simply not true. There are many Satanisms, and not all of them, even most, are LaVeyian in nature. Simply asserting their right to be equally visible in the dominant culture isn't being obnoxious, especially coupled with a legitimate Constitutional criticism of Dominionist government.
2014-01-06 06:56:10 PM  
4 votes:

fusillade762: "This is a faith-based nation and a faith-based state," Rep. Earl Sears (R-Bartlesville) said. "I think it is very offensive they would contemplate or even have this kind of conversation."


You highlighted the wrong part.  Satanism is a faith.

/ This is NOT a faith-based nation.  It is a secular one, founded in reason and the understanding that power tends to make people act like choads.  The more certain they are, the more awful their tendency to rule rather than govern.
2014-01-06 06:28:52 PM  
4 votes:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Benevolent Misanthrope: Which has a moratorium on it and will probably never be built. But, you know, free money.

If you can't trust Satanists to put the money to good use who can you trust?!


Actually, taking money from the gullible may be the one thing that makes me consider them as a "real church."
2014-01-06 06:27:38 PM  
4 votes:

Herr Flick's Revenge: Who is being stopped from worshiping?
Not erecting a statue does not interfere with any religious observances.


Great, so we don't need to put the 10 Commandments on public grounds.
2014-01-06 05:49:35 PM  
4 votes:

Great_Milenko: Agreed. I don't like the politicization of these displays, but I do realize that the ten commandments are part of the foundations of western civilization. This is just dickish trolling.


So was slavery.
2014-01-06 05:48:14 PM  
4 votes:
"This is a faith-based nation and a faith-based state," Rep. Earl Sears (R-Bartlesville)

Listen, Earl, have you ever read the constitution? You don't even have to read the whole thing, just the first amendment.
rpm
2014-01-06 05:43:43 PM  
4 votes:

Weaver95: I can see why they went about it as they did...it's a lose/lose situation for the dominionist Christians and their 10 commandments statues. But they they're still being jerk bags about it


Because being nice has gotten absolutely nowhere. Change only happens when it's loud. If you're not, you "obviously" don't care and they can keep doing it.
2014-01-06 05:40:17 PM  
4 votes:

Mugato: FlashHarry: Mugato: At least Christians were just raised that way. These Satanists and Flying Spaghetti Monster people are just intentionally being dicks on their own.

oh, i'm sorry - is somebody's religious display on public land making you feel uncomfortable?

I'm sure that was their intended goal but no, I don't give a shiat. Just observing that they're being sort of obnoxious. I get the whole 1st amendment thing. Just don't pretend these are those people's actual religions.


Absolutely! Given the atrocities some people do in the name of Jesus, I have a hard time believing they're actually Christians.
2014-01-06 05:29:18 PM  
4 votes:

Walker: After other groups - including PETA and the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster - asked for their own displays, the Oklahoma City Capitol Preservation Commission placed a moratorium on new monuments at the statehouse.

I love how once the Christians got what they wanted they immediately banned any more monuments. Typical Christian crap.

"OUR GOD IS THE ONLY GOD. F*CK YOU! F*CK YOU!"


Yeah, pretty-much.  "It's okay when WE do it."
2014-01-07 12:32:28 AM  
3 votes:

what_now: "This is a faith-based nation and a faith-based state," Rep. Earl Sears (R-Bartlesville)

Listen, Earl, have you ever read the constitution? You don't even have to read the whole thing, just the first amendment.


I like how they're flat-out admitting that "faith-based" is just another code word for "Christian" now.
2014-01-06 11:17:09 PM  
3 votes:

Mugato: At least Christians were just raised that way. These Satanists and Flying Spaghetti Monster people are just intentionally being dicks on their own.


The Church of Satan is actually a surprisingly compelling religion, quite serious and one most people would probably find quite agreeable in their doctrine. Despite what Hollywood would have you believe, they're not even close to stupid human sacrifice, black candles, black velvet, criminals, etc, etc. They value free will above all else, self-sufficiency, self-improvement, instead of wallowing around moaning to a deity about your fate. They see Satan as an outlier, renegade, and trailblazer and wish to emulate that example, rather than blindly tow the line of Christianity.

It's unamerican to deny any actual faith representation if you give one faith any, although some obviously aren't real faiths.
2014-01-06 09:48:21 PM  
3 votes:

Mugato: At least Christians were just raised that way. These Satanists and Flying Spaghetti Monster people are just intentionally being dicks on their own.


Or....Christians are Christians because they were indoctrinated when they were too young to defend themselves.  Satanist and FSM adherents converted to the faith of their own free will.
2014-01-06 09:33:15 PM  
3 votes:
Methods of this sort have long been the way for religious and social issues groups to insert dialogue into the public forum.  It's only when minority and dissent parties do the same that they are labeled negatively for it.  There are two major aggravating factors here.  One the display is of Satan which is a figure of evil in Christianity and sure to raise hackles, and two the presence of children as a signal of the indoctrination of children to worship Satan.  Do Christians have a right to deny another faith a place in the public square because of their view of that faiths hero? I say no, but that doesn't mean they won't try.

It's very simple Christians.  If you want your supernatural beliefs respected without proof then you have to respect other peoples supernatural beliefs too.  You know how crazy you think those Muslims are?  That's how other people feel about you and your beliefs.  So I agree not to treat you as stupid for believing in things that are impossible to prove or have been proven false, and you agree not to treat me as stupid for insisting on evidence and peer review in our decision making processes.  I really think you're getting the better half of this deal.
2014-01-06 07:13:14 PM  
3 votes:
i43.tinypic.com

 Some would say the monument already exists.
2014-01-06 06:43:37 PM  
3 votes:
The statue has a flat back, meaning it really only works if it's being viewed from the front, but it won't have the advantage of a formal approach, like, say, walking up to the Lincoln Memorial. It also has *a lot* of arms and legs that are free, meaning there are lots of things that will break off over time and make a good target for vandals. There's also lots of places for water to pool and then freeze when winter comes. This is a pretty terrible design.
2014-01-06 06:43:24 PM  
3 votes:

Great_Milenko: Mugato: At least Christians were just raised that way. These Satanists and Flying Spaghetti Monster people are just intentionally being dicks on their own.

Agreed.  I don't like the politicization of these displays, but I do realize that the ten commandments are part of the foundations of western civilization.  This is just dickish trolling.


Sigh.

Hamurabi,would like a word with you.

/wish it would get to the point I wouldn't have to keep pointing that out
2014-01-06 06:34:03 PM  
3 votes:

Confabulat: Lee451: If atheists,satanists,et al wanted to make a statement, they would take the money they are raising for the goat statue and use it for a real cause, such as the child who cannot blink and needs $20K just to be diagnosed (other link/thread). These people are proud to be harassing Christians when they could be doing actual good.

How much did the Ten Commandments monument cost?


*DING DING DING* WINNER
2014-01-06 06:32:06 PM  
3 votes:

Mugato: At least Christians were just raised that way. These Satanists and Flying Spaghetti Monster people are just intentionally being dicks on their own.


As someone who was raised a Satanist, I feel the exact same way about anyone who converted to Christianity or was "born again" as an adult.  Those people are not real Christians and just converted intentionally to have cover for why they are always dicks.
2014-01-06 06:28:58 PM  
3 votes:
A guy nailed and dying on a cross is much more disturbing
2014-01-06 06:00:10 PM  
3 votes:

Mugato: I get the whole 1st amendment thing. Just don't pretend these are those people's actual religions.


what defines an "actual religion," pray tell? age? number of adherents? relative wackiness of its teachings?
2014-01-06 05:58:01 PM  
3 votes:

TheShavingofOccam123: Mugato: At least Christians were just raised that way. These Satanists and Flying Spaghetti Monster people are just intentionally being dicks on their own.

You sound like an apostate Unitarian. Have you never seen evangelical Christians acting like dicks?


Well I think his point was that the Christians are just doing as they were taught, seeing it as the Right Thing To Do rather than dickishness.

Of course, they're wrong, as their own holy book is approximately 9/10 "don't be a dick to other people" and they don't seem to have understood a word of it.
2014-01-06 05:46:34 PM  
3 votes:
"This is a faith-based nation and a faith-based state," Rep. Earl Sears (R-Bartlesville) said. "I think it is very offensive they would contemplate or even have this kind of conversation."

/So, you agree with public displays of faith, as long as it's your own, and not others. Not that i support satanism, but really, don't preach "faith" and then slap others around for having a faith that you don't agree with. Ass.
2014-01-06 05:21:25 PM  
3 votes:

FlashHarry: Mugato: At least Christians were just raised that way. These Satanists and Flying Spaghetti Monster people are just intentionally being dicks on their own.

oh, i'm sorry - is somebody's religious display on public land making you feel uncomfortable?


I'm sure that was their intended goal but no, I don't give a shiat. Just observing that they're being sort of obnoxious. I get the whole 1st amendment thing. Just don't pretend these are those people's actual religions.
2014-01-06 05:09:30 PM  
3 votes:
Birmingham, Alabama does it better and theirs is in front of a church.

studentmedia.uab.edu
2014-01-06 04:53:38 PM  
3 votes:
Further proof that you should never trust anyone that can look at all of the biatchin' religious deities available in the world and choose to follow the one that looks like a carny decided to do gay porn in the 70s.
2014-01-07 09:44:51 AM  
2 votes:

Lee451: These people are proud to be harassing Christians when they could be doing actual good.


excuse me - how is putting up a statue "harassing christians?"

considering the fact that you belong to the WORLD'S LARGEST RELIGION, it's amazing how much of a farking persecution complex you have.
2014-01-07 05:30:05 AM  
2 votes:
I was born in oklahoma and i don't have a single problem with this. I do however have a problem with some of the ways people around here treat other people in the name of religion. My crasy aunt once explained why being racist was ok by using the bible story of noah. Apperently, when noah's son refused to turn away and ignor his father's drunkeness, he was turned black and cursed so everyone would know on sight he was (and his desendances) were to be treated different. Weird lady.
2014-01-07 04:08:09 AM  
2 votes:

Lee451: If atheists,satanists,et al wanted to make a statement, they would take the money they are raising for the goat statue and use it for a real cause, such as the child who cannot blink and needs $20K just to be diagnosed (other link/thread). These people are proud to be harassing Christians when they could be doing actual good.


So all the ten commandments displays were free?
2014-01-07 02:18:44 AM  
2 votes:
img.fark.net
2014-01-06 10:41:26 PM  
2 votes:
To be completely honest to the "Foundations of Western Civilization" bit that folks trot out every time the Ten Commandments comes up, I agree, partially.  Western Civilization does owe a large debt to the Judaic Tradition symbolized by the Ten Commandments. HOWEVER it is as equally indebted to the pagan Greco-Roman world for the traditions of rational philosophical inquiry and(Greeks) and the rule of law (Romans). Therefore, next to the Ten Commandments should be statues of Athena and Justitia. With their knockers bare in good old pagan fashion, just to bind up the knickers of John Ashcroft et al.
2014-01-06 08:19:52 PM  
2 votes:
www.robertmprice.mindvendor.com

Freedom of Religion!
2014-01-06 06:30:31 PM  
2 votes:
iheartscotch:

Yesssss , and you could rig the bids; that way, Christians would win every time!

You could be a politician, like now!

/ I'm surprised they haven't elected to display mr goat guy in the broom closet; it'd be displayed on public land and nobody could say shiat about it


Actually, make it a public auction and sell the parcels that way. An open bidding war is more honest and much more likely to result in overpaying because if you REALLY believe that the other guy is evil, you'll pay to shut him down. At which point, someone like a secular humanist group just keeps bidding to raise the price. Then the city council gets to brag about their awesome fundraiser idea and maybe adjust local property taxes because of all this extra money.

THAT'S thinking like a politician
2014-01-06 06:20:06 PM  
2 votes:

TV's Vinnie: 1. Allow Christians to set up their monument

2. Place a moratorium on any other religious monuments so they can't get the same right

Yep. "Freedom of worship", all right.


Who is being stopped from worshiping?
Not erecting a statue does not interfere with any religious observances.
2014-01-06 05:56:28 PM  
2 votes:

Weaver95: But they they're still being jerk bags about it.


Oh no, a group is being a jerk right back to a group that has been acting like jerks to them this entire time. Somebody get you a fainting couch!
2014-01-06 05:54:52 PM  
2 votes:

letrole: Paganism is not a Religion.



True. It's usually used as a pejorative to imply someone else's religion isn't true,  but that's a pretty pedantic distinction. Everything from a Christian perspective is a pagan religion  -- Roman, Greek, Hindu, various tribal religions, animism, Protestantism, etc
2014-01-06 05:54:18 PM  
2 votes:

Benevolent Misanthrope: For Cthulhu's SAKE, you assholes, just STOP IT.


You know, one of the Great Old Ones should be the next statue. I nominate  Ayi'ig

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cthulhu_Mythos_deities#Great_Old_Ones
2014-01-06 05:48:19 PM  
2 votes:

Bit'O'Gristle: "This is a faith-based nation and a faith-based state," Rep. Earl Sears (R-Bartlesville) said. "I think it is very offensive they would contemplate or even have this kind of conversation."

/So, you agree with public displays of faith, as long as it's your own, and not others. Not that i support satanism, but really, don't preach "faith" and then slap others around for having a faith that you don't agree with. Ass.


The problem with assuming that your god is the one and only true god is that you develop a bit of a blind spot on the subject of faith.
2014-01-06 05:46:32 PM  
2 votes:

rpm: Weaver95: I can see why they went about it as they did...it's a lose/lose situation for the dominionist Christians and their 10 commandments statues. But they they're still being jerk bags about it

Because being nice has gotten absolutely nowhere. Change only happens when it's loud. If you're not, you "obviously" don't care and they can keep doing it.


What's jerky about expressing faith in Satan?
2014-01-06 05:45:23 PM  
2 votes:

Mugato: At least Christians were just raised that way. These Satanists and Flying Spaghetti Monster people are just intentionally being dicks on their own.

Let's see.  Christians imposing their narrow ideology on all of us by erecting a statue on a government site.  And doing so thanks to connections with conservative Christian politicians in the State House.

I think your definition of "dick" needs to be revised.

IP
2014-01-06 05:43:12 PM  
2 votes:
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2014-01-06 05:41:28 PM  
2 votes:
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2014-01-06 05:39:53 PM  
2 votes:

Mugato: At least Christians were just raised that way. These Satanists and Flying Spaghetti Monster people are just intentionally being dicks on their own.


media.tumblr.com
2014-01-06 05:35:31 PM  
2 votes:

Benevolent Misanthrope: Walker: After other groups - including PETA and the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster - asked for their own displays, the Oklahoma City Capitol Preservation Commission placed a moratorium on new monuments at the statehouse.

I love how once the Christians got what they wanted they immediately banned any more monuments. Typical Christian crap.

"OUR GOD IS THE ONLY GOD. F*CK YOU! F*CK YOU!"

Yeah, pretty-much.  "It's okay when WE do it."


Sometimes just admitting im pagan is enough to trigger seizures from some of the more fanatical Christian types. They just assume pagans all worship the devil and proceed to flip out as per normal.
2014-01-06 04:33:25 PM  
2 votes:
www.rawstory.com

i love the children on either side. a nice touch.
2014-01-06 03:06:32 PM  
2 votes:
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2014-01-07 12:23:42 PM  
1 votes:

redheededstepchild: I was born in oklahoma and i don't have a single problem with this. I do however have a problem with some of the ways people around here treat other people in the name of religion. My crasy aunt once explained why being racist was ok by using the bible story of noah. Apperently, when noah's son refused to turn away and ignor his father's drunkeness, he was turned black and cursed so everyone would know on sight he was (and his desendances) were to be treated different. Weird lady.


Yep, heard that one myself many times, growing up in Oklahoma.  It was Ham, his son Canaan and all their offspring who were known as the tribal name Canaanites, who they believe was forever cursed in such a manner due to pissing off a very pissed (drunk) Noah.  Noah was (depending upon interpretation) either nude, or engaged in some sort of sexual hanky-panky and Ham got his brothers and tossed a blanket on the ol' boy.  Noah wakes up and curses Canaan and the following generations of Canaanites to be slaves, under the "ownership" of Ham's brother's Shem and Japheth.

Centuries later, the Israeli monarchy apparently used this story to defend their subjugation of the Canaanites and enslave them.

Your Aunt wasn't as "weird" as you probably thought, this was taught in nearly every Southern Baptist and fundamentalist church as being an undeniable truth based on the "gospel" for generations.  I can still remember many of my youthful
acquaintances citing to Ham/Canaan for the reason why anyone was black in the first place (referred to them as "bearing the mark of Ham/Canaan").

This was part and parcel of how they also challenged Evolution as this was there means of trying to explain away the various "races."  According to Church teachings, the notion was that after the great flood, everyone was basically "white" but after Ham pissed off Noah and was subsequently cursed, Canaan and the generations descended from him were "cursed" by being made black.

Sad, but true and I bet that there's still more than a few churches in Oklahoma and the south that still hold fast to this view.
2014-01-07 10:43:58 AM  
1 votes:

TerminalEchoes: They aren't making a point. They're just being attention-whoring douche bags because life isn't fair or somehing.


Yeah, but then the uppity Satanists started taunting them and making the situation worse.
2014-01-07 04:57:36 AM  
1 votes:

Mugato: Weaver95: I think the reason I can't take satanists seriously is because they need Christianity to define themselves. They lock themselves into a mythological cycle that is by and large defined by their avowed enemies.

Well that and they don't actually worship Satan. LeVay just used Satan for the brand recognition.


There are many different kind of Satanists.  The satanic bible, printed by LeVay, is as you mention.  But there are other Satanists that do worship Satan.
2014-01-07 02:00:19 AM  
1 votes:
I really am astounded by the poutrage by the 'so called' Christians on this thread not to mention the looneys in Okla. But mostly for the trollists here. There is no doubt about the legitimacy of the Pagans argument here about the 1st amendment..."If YOU can do it in public then why can't I..." We used to have a saying in this country that I might disagree with what you say but I defend to the death your right to say it. Liberals still remember it. Religious fanatics and conservative seem to have forgotten it except when it benefits them...Thats why I'm proudly Liberal and always have/will been. I despise closed minded small brained decrepits! Most so called "Christians" have a lot to learn about what Christ actually said and is what is in our constitution! Open your minds you fools...
2014-01-07 12:24:12 AM  
1 votes:

Mugato: At least Christians were just raised that way. These Satanists and Flying Spaghetti Monster people are just intentionally being dicks on their own.


You don't get it at all, do you?
2014-01-07 12:20:44 AM  
1 votes:

Mugato: Just don't pretend these are those people's actual religions.


I agree completely. These idiots aren't actually worshiping anyone, they're just jumping on the bandwagon looking for a way to force their idols onto public land. They may claim to have good intentions, but they certainly don't practice that, they just go around protesting everything they dislike and generally try to give everyone else a hard time.

But as long as enough people believe that religious texts are history books rather than story books, the government is legally obligated to accept "christianity" as an actual religion, regardless of how fake they seem.
2014-01-07 12:08:03 AM  
1 votes:

Terrible Old Man: Mugato: At least Christians were just raised that way. These Satanists and Flying Spaghetti Monster people are just intentionally being dicks on their own.

The Church of Satan is actually a surprisingly compelling religion, quite serious and one most people would probably find quite agreeable in their doctrine. Despite what Hollywood would have you believe, they're not even close to stupid human sacrifice, black candles, black velvet, criminals, etc, etc. They value free will above all else, self-sufficiency, self-improvement, instead of wallowing around moaning to a deity about your fate. They see Satan as an outlier, renegade, and trailblazer and wish to emulate that example, rather than blindly tow the line of Christianity.

It's unamerican to deny any actual faith representation if you give one faith any, although some obviously aren't real faiths.


Yea and whoever did decide Christianity was a real religion? I mean hell most of them don't even practice what's in their own book.
2014-01-06 11:03:17 PM  
1 votes:

phrawgh: Confabulat: By the way, most of the Ten Commandments are stupid. Don't tell me what to do on Sunday Saturday, asshole.

/FTFY


yeah as an outsider, i never have figured out which one of those days god really meant. I guess his followers can't decide either.
2014-01-06 10:48:37 PM  
1 votes:

CivicMindedFive: The Ten Commandments span two major world religions and are seen as a historic source of law


What law? Of the Ten Commandments, only "thou shalt not kill" and "thou shalt not steal" are illegal, and they are illegal in every culture no matter if they've heard of Moses or not. That's silly.

You could make an argument about bearing false witness on your neighbor, but a good attorney can get you out of that one usually.
2014-01-06 10:39:29 PM  
1 votes:

letrole: Paganism is not a Religion.


That's ok, Christians aren't people.
2014-01-06 09:18:55 PM  
1 votes:

TerminalEchoes: They aren't making a point. They're just being attention-whoring douche bags because life isn't fair or somehing.


Oh really? And what is your source of information for that?
Or do you just think that anyone who thinks differently from you is an "attention-whoring douche bag"?
2014-01-06 08:50:54 PM  
1 votes:

Badmoodman: letrole: Paganism is not a Religion.

This is probably where you should consult a dictionary.


He's technically correct, Paganism's a category of religions in Christian doctrine, not a single religion with a unified theology.

Basically, there are three ways to not be Christian according to Christianity:

Pagan/Heathen - you follow a non-Christian religion that was around before Christianity was invented (the Aesir, Marduk, etc) in your region
Atheist - you don't follow a god/religion at all
Heretic - you follow a non-Christian religion (or branch doctrine) that was invented  after Christianity was introduced to your region

So... yeah, there you go I guess.  Worshiping Frigga makes you a pagan, worshiping Satan makes you a heretic.  Get it right, yo.
2014-01-06 08:34:03 PM  
1 votes:
The effigy is flanked by statue children smiling in wonder at Satan, and he is himself a chair so you can sit in his lap?  ROFL.  Even as a Christian I find this hilarious.  These dudes can troll.  I'm all for it.
2014-01-06 08:18:55 PM  
1 votes:
What would they do if the Satanist statue just shows up in the middle of the night right next to it? Maybe coordinate with other to drop off Buddha and FSM statues at the same time for an extra bit of FU.
2014-01-06 08:06:45 PM  
1 votes:
I want a giant Golden Apple on the Texas Capitol Grounds. It seems perfectly cromulent for the location.

HAIL ERIS!
2014-01-06 07:58:48 PM  
1 votes:
As long as the Satanists are getting in there, I'd like to propose we erect a statue in recognition of Alpine pre-Christian religions, i.e., the Krampus.

http://www.theofantastique.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Krampus.png
2014-01-06 07:49:15 PM  
1 votes:
I see your God, and raise with U235.

jagatplay.com
2014-01-06 07:42:46 PM  
1 votes:

Mugato: Just don't pretend these are those people's actual religions.


All christian religions are just a bunch of New Age cultists who couldn't handle original Judaism so they perverted it to their will. "Oh, noes, we need a more approachable, pussified deity. I know, let's make up this Trinty bullshiat so we don't have to admit that we're violating the first commandment even though we totally are to the extent that some of us don't even mention God, but only Jesus." Yeah, that's a totally legit actual religion.
2014-01-06 07:37:38 PM  
1 votes:

Pitabred: The Why Not Guy: Lee451: If atheists,satanists,et al wanted to make a statement, they would take the money they are raising for the goat statue and use it for a real cause, such as the child who cannot blink and needs $20K just to be diagnosed (other link/thread). These people are proud to be harassing Christians when they could be doing actual good.

Your point goes both ways. Christians could do a lot of actual good with the millions they spend running ads against marriage equality.

It actually goes the other way a lot more... Christianity puts a lot of money into Evangelical preacher's coffers, the Vatican, etc., all which could be going to actually helping people but is instead used to build bigger, shinier buildings and buy bigger, shinier cars, houses and things for the preachers.


Don't forget the money they pay to the kids who were raped by priests and they lawyers they paid to limit the amount the child rape victims can recover and the money they paid the rapist priests to leave their positions quietly and the money they paid to shuttle a facilitator like Cardinal Law out of the country.

Oh, and don't forget how expensive it is to actually find and tap and transport the miracle spring water.

3.bp.blogspot.com

//And it's all TAX-FREE!
2014-01-06 07:37:11 PM  
1 votes:

thotpoizn: I'm not so interested in the Satanism (or whatever other mob of the righteously indignant) vs. Judeo Christian controversy.  What irritates me is the folks who DON'T live in or care about Oklahoma, wanting to erect their monuments here.  Yeah, I get the whole equality argument, so fine - let the Oklahoma chapter of satanists put up the monument they want.  This is clearly not that - it's just some obnoxiously self-important damned yankees wanting to troll a state they are unlikely to ever visit, because tee-hee equal rights herpaderp.  Trifling and pettiness; please go screw up your own state capitol, kthxbye.

/ Yes, I live in OKC
// No, I don't really give a damned if someone puts up a statue of Baphomet or the monkey god or whatever else
/// Jeez, don't you people have something better to do?!?


The article addresses that... there are Satanists in OKC who support it, and want it to happen. There's definitely a local interest, with a bit of funding from out of state and elsewhere like anything (Prop 8, anyone?). They're just careful about not being named publicly, because Christians are ever so loving there, and might hurt them if they knew.
2014-01-06 07:35:57 PM  
1 votes:

Pointy Tail of Satan: Zeus gets no love!!! I propose the following!

[vincentloy.files.wordpress.com image 550x784]


Respect my god too.
susannagalanis1.files.wordpress.com
2014-01-06 07:10:24 PM  
1 votes:

Walker: After other groups - including PETA and the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster - asked for their own displays, the Oklahoma City Capitol Preservation Commission placed a moratorium on new monuments at the statehouse.

I love how once the Christians got what they wanted they immediately banned any more monuments. Typical Christian crap.

"OUR GOD IS THE ONLY GOD. F*CK YOU! F*CK YOU!"


As a Christian who can't stand this type of attitude, I really wish we were more like Muslims where artwork and statues are concerned. This insistence upon putting up a monument of some sort is straight up idolatry.
2014-01-06 06:53:44 PM  
1 votes:

fusillade762: I've always loved that commandment. The idea that you can sin just by THINKING something.


In Judaism, coveting is understood to require you to take an action, like, say, sending a soldier out to die so you can take his wife for yourself. It wasn't until Christianity came along that the concept of "thought crimes" was invented. That's why Jesus makes a big deal out of the teaching that looking at a chick and wanting to bang her is as bad as banging her - it was a novel idea.
2014-01-06 06:40:26 PM  
1 votes:

Badmoodman: letrole: Paganism is not a Religion.

This is probably where you should consult a dictionary.


Don't mind him, letrole is a pedophile.
2014-01-06 06:37:55 PM  
1 votes:

tjsands1118: I don't know about this statue. It's a pretty horrible design. I mean if they do it in stone I can guarantee you those thin little arms on the kids are going to snap off in no time. And I would hold much hope for the horns lasting long either.


But then again if they did it in bronze it would probably be fine.


Also what's with the blanket across the lap. The giant phallus is one of the defining characteristics of Baphomet.
2014-01-06 06:35:35 PM  
1 votes:

Confabulat: Lee451: If atheists,satanists,et al wanted to make a statement, they would take the money they are raising for the goat statue and use it for a real cause, such as the child who cannot blink and needs $20K just to be diagnosed (other link/thread). These people are proud to be harassing Christians when they could be doing actual good.

How much did the Ten Commandments monument cost?


It's different when Christians do it, because reasons!!!
2014-01-06 06:35:22 PM  
1 votes:

rpm: Let's assume that they don't sincerely believe that, but there's something else entirely. So what? Presenting a different public face than private one is a fairly common feature of some religions (see: Masons, Scientologists)


Hey, all I said was that they were being smarmy pricks, not that I disagreed about the First Amendment thing.

None of our laws are based on the ten commandments anyway, except stealing and killing (and the killing one is highly negotiable) and we could have figured those out ourselves. A couple of them are downright against our way of life. Coveting thy neighbor's shiat is the basis of capitalism. And not working on the sabbath? Tell that to my boss. So fark the ten commandments but fark those guys too.
2014-01-06 06:34:49 PM  
1 votes:

Lee451: If atheists,satanists,et al wanted to make a statement, they would take the money they are raising for the goat statue and use it for a real cause, such as the child who cannot blink and needs $20K just to be diagnosed (other link/thread). These people are proud to be harassing Christians when they could be doing actual good.


Or, they can raise the money, build their statue then use the lawsuit money for charity.
2014-01-06 06:31:05 PM  
1 votes:
  If atheists,satanists,et al wanted to make a statement, they would take the money they are raising for the goat statue and use it for a real cause, such as the child who cannot blink and needs $20K just to be diagnosed (other link/thread). These people are proud to be harassing Christians when they could be doing actual good.
2014-01-06 06:24:22 PM  
1 votes:

fusillade762: "This is a faith-based nation and a faith-based state," Rep. Earl Sears (R-Bartlesville) said. "I think it is very offensive they would contemplate or even have this kind of conversation."

Oh right, I forgot about your constitutional right not to be offended.


Mugato: At least Christians were just raised that way. These Satanists and Flying Spaghetti Monster people are just intentionally being dicks on their own.

Every time I hear someone use the phrase "That's just the way I was raised" to justify their own dickish behavior I want to punch them in the neck.


What is  yourjustification for dickish behavior?
2014-01-06 06:22:10 PM  
1 votes:

loonatic112358: Benevolent Misanthrope: For Cthulhu's SAKE, you assholes, just STOP IT.

You know, one of the Great Old Ones should be the next statue. I nominate  Ayi'ig

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cthulhu_Mythos_deities#Great_Old_Ones


If you put that in Oklahoma people would completely lose it. Ayi'ig is from Texas.
2014-01-06 06:16:32 PM  
1 votes:

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: tinyarena: [a57.foxnews.com image 400x260]
The Satanist statue looks better - just sayin'

Anyway, when the ACLU gets done with you Oklahoma, there won't be any statue on the state house grounds.

/so take a picture, it'll last longer


Personally, I'd be cool with parceling out the land into so many equal-area segments and leasing them to groups on a decade long basis. Size and health/safety limits would naturally apply (no giant points at abdomen level for lawsuit reasons, etc), but any religion could be welcome to bid on the plot of land and decorate it as they see fit. If your faith didn't get a spot at the auction, you should have held a bigger bake sale. Civil liberties are satisfied, money comes into the city, city services get commissioned, and the complex becomes a "diversity garden" for a nifty tourist trap. Drop a little urban renewal money to encourage some small restaraunts and raise the local inn keepers taxes.

As long as the city council isn't butthurt about what gets put up, it's free fricking money.


Yesssss , and you could rig the bids; that way, Christians would win every time!

You could be a politician, like now!

/ I'm surprised they haven't elected to display mr goat guy in the broom closet; it'd be displayed on public land and nobody could say shiat about it
2014-01-06 06:15:15 PM  
1 votes:
Satanist, schmatanist. Meh. Wake me when the Church of NO MA'AM decides to put up a statue of the Rev. Al Bundy. Oops! No, that can't be right. He was defrocked for staying faithful to his wife instead of cheating on her with a bunch of big-boobed hookers and shoe groupies. My bad.

Carry on then.
2014-01-06 06:15:10 PM  
1 votes:
bizarrocomics.com
2014-01-06 06:10:27 PM  
1 votes:

tinyarena: [a57.foxnews.com image 400x260]
The Satanist statue looks better - just sayin'

Anyway, when the ACLU gets done with you Oklahoma, there won't be any statue on the state house grounds.

/so take a picture, it'll last longer



Personally, I'd be cool with parceling out the land into so many equal-area segments and leasing them to groups on a decade long basis. Size and health/safety limits would naturally apply (no giant points at abdomen level for lawsuit reasons, etc), but any religion could be welcome to bid on the plot of land and decorate it as they see fit. If your faith didn't get a spot at the auction, you should have held a bigger bake sale. Civil liberties are satisfied, money comes into the city, city services get commissioned, and the complex becomes a "diversity garden" for a nifty tourist trap. Drop a little urban renewal money to encourage some small restaraunts and raise the local inn keepers taxes.

As long as the city council isn't butthurt about what gets put up, it's free fricking money.
rpm
2014-01-06 06:07:38 PM  
1 votes:

Mugato: FlashHarry: Mugato: I get the whole 1st amendment thing. Just don't pretend these are those people's actual religions.

what defines an "actual religion," pray tell? age? number of adherents? relative wackiness of its teachings?

Ok, fine. Those people believe in Satan and the Flying Spaghetti Monster as fervently as the Christians who put up the ten commandments and weren't just trolling.


Let's assume that they don't sincerely believe that, but there's something else entirely. So what? Presenting a different public face than private one is a fairly common feature of some religions (see: Masons, Scientologists)
2014-01-06 06:07:25 PM  
1 votes:
The Satanists are doing an Indiegogo fundraiser to build the monument.

Link here:  http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/put-a-satanic-monument-at-ok-capito l
2014-01-06 06:04:08 PM  
1 votes:
www.rawstory.com
I don't know about this statue. It's a pretty horrible design. I mean if they do it in stone I can guarantee you those thin little arms on the kids are going to snap off in no time. And I would hold much hope for the horns lasting long either.


But then again if they did it in bronze it would probably be fine.
2014-01-06 06:02:29 PM  
1 votes:

letrole: letrole: Paganism is not a Religion.

PsiChick: Dude! That was actually funny self-mockery! Great job!

I know.

But it was a bit anti-climatic when those goobers actually replied.


I'm just still stunned you're not a bot. Nice to meet you, dude.
2014-01-06 05:59:46 PM  
1 votes:

Weaver95: I think the reason I can't take satanists seriously is because they need Christianity to define themselves. They lock themselves into a mythological cycle that is by and large defined by their avowed enemies.


They're not meant to be taken seriously. The "Church of Satan" is a bunch of atheist performance artist/trolls. They don't actually believe in or worship Satan.
2014-01-06 05:59:13 PM  
1 votes:

Weaver95: Mugato: Weaver95: I think the reason I can't take satanists seriously is because they need Christianity to define themselves. They lock themselves into a mythological cycle that is by and large defined by their avowed enemies.

Well that and they don't actually worship Satan. LeVay just used Satan for the brand recognition.

Not to mention that Lavey apparently stole a lot of his ideology from ayn rand.


Really? He stole "treat every other living thing with respect" from Ayn Rand?

You're a moran.
2014-01-06 05:54:58 PM  
1 votes:
letrole: Paganism is not a Religion.

PsiChick: Dude! That was actually funny self-mockery! Great job!

I know.

But it was a bit anti-climatic when those goobers actually replied.
2014-01-06 05:53:56 PM  
1 votes:

FlashHarry: [www.rawstory.com image 615x345]

i love the children on either side. a nice touch.


It makes the troll too obvious though.  It is still a good troll, but this is obviously just some group doing this with a shiat eating grin, enjoying the howls and tears of entitled Christians who think they can erect religious monuments without a rebuttal from any other group.
2014-01-06 05:52:24 PM  
1 votes:

Mugato: Just don't pretend these are those people's actual religions.


Exactly what do I need to do to make it my "actual" religion?

If I raise my children in the CotFSM, is it their "actual" religion, even if it's not mine?
2014-01-06 05:51:50 PM  
1 votes:

Benevolent Misanthrope: "This is a faith-based nation and a faith-based state," Rep. Earl Sears (R-Bartlesville) said.

No.  No, it's not, you trailer-dwelling, cousin-farking, terra-cotta-toothed, subliterate peckerwood.

For Cthulhu's SAKE, you assholes, just STOP IT.


Sure, you could always try hitting them with facts. Who knows, maybe they'll eventually listen....but I rather doubt it.
2014-01-06 05:48:55 PM  
1 votes:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Weaver95: Sometimes just admitting im pagan is enough to trigger seizures from some of the more fanatical Christian types. They just assume pagans all worship the devil and proceed to flip out as per normal.

Well to be fair Roman Catholics believe that Baptists worship the devil..

Really anything you worship that isn't their God is either idolatry or the devil's trickery. So all though most of them don't understand the distinction they are basically correct if you use their book. And since their book is the only one that matters (of course it is, just ask them) you are in fact worshiping the devil. You may think you're not, but you're just being tricked.

I too worship the devil. I just choose to worship the devil in the form of Milla Jovovich.


I think you have it backwards.  Baptists believe this Pope is the final Pope and anti-Christ and that Catholics worship the devil.
2014-01-06 05:46:17 PM  
1 votes:

Mugato: At least Christians were just raised that way. These Satanists and Flying Spaghetti Monster people are just intentionally being dicks on their own.


You sound like an apostate Unitarian. Have you never seen evangelical Christians acting like dicks?
2014-01-06 05:43:35 PM  
1 votes:
Just let that dude shower with his racoon
2014-01-06 05:42:51 PM  
1 votes:

Weaver95: Sometimes just admitting im pagan is enough to trigger seizures from some of the more fanatical Christian types. They just assume pagans all worship the devil and proceed to flip out as per normal.


Well to be fair Roman Catholics believe that Baptists worship the devil..

Really anything you worship that isn't their God is either idolatry or the devil's trickery. So all though most of them don't understand the distinction they are basically correct if you use their book. And since their book is the only one that matters (of course it is, just ask them) you are in fact worshiping the devil. You may think you're not, but you're just being tricked.

I too worship the devil. I just choose to worship the devil in the form of Milla Jovovich.
2014-01-06 05:40:37 PM  
1 votes:
I've always wondered that.  If someone believes in God, do they have to by default believe in Satan.  Or just the fact that Satan exists?  Because if it's the latter that's a cop out.
/oh and cool statue
2014-01-06 05:39:11 PM  
1 votes:
Ayn rand and her objectivist ideology are essentially the same belief system as Lavey and nis flavor of satanism...Lavey even admitted as much. I suppose that's why I'm always confused she's omens says theyre a Christian that mixes rand into their ideology. That's like a black man who joins the kkk to promote racial diversity.
2014-01-06 05:37:45 PM  
1 votes:

Weaver95: I think the reason I can't take satanists seriously is because they need Christianity to define themselves. They lock themselves into a mythological cycle that is by and large defined by their avowed enemies.


Christianity needed a good guy and a bad guy. So they stole one from the Mithradists and the other from a minor character in Judaism's Big Book of STFU (Dude, Where's My Foreskin?).
2014-01-06 05:07:09 PM  
1 votes:

RexTalionis: That is surprisingly tasteful.


Came here to say that.
2014-01-06 04:53:22 PM  
1 votes:

RexTalionis: Mugato: At least Christians were just raised that way. These Satanists and Flying Spaghetti Monster people are just intentionally being dicks on their own.

No, they're making a point.


I can see why they went about it as they did...it's a lose/lose situation for the dominionist Christians and their 10 commandments statues. But they they're still being jerk bags about it. Ah well...they're pissing off people I don't like very much. Lay on and have at thee or something,
2014-01-06 04:30:26 PM  
1 votes:
That is surprisingly tasteful.
 
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