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(Guardian)   We're all in denial about our drinking habits. Well maybe you are, submitter is a drunk   (theguardian.com) divider line 20
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2014-01-06 08:11:48 PM  
3 votes:
So, yeah... I normally don't "out" myself, but this one rubbed me the wrong way a bit.

The One True TheDavid: FTFA: "[O]nce they have taken that first drink, they know they can't stop."

This is such bullshiat. Where does such propaganda come from? I have never kept drinking till the last drop in the house was gone, nor have I spent every penny in my pockets in a bar. In fact most nights I cut myself off at a certain point, going by how I feel, so as to avoid a hangover, and there's no way anybody could call me an unusually disciplined drinker.


Let me tell you how that sounds to me: "I drink normally, get drunk a bit now and then, and try to avoid getting hangovers, therefore this whole 'cannot moderate the drinking' and 'addictive behavior' while drinking is bullshiat."

Do many of you Farkers actually drink so helplessly? Do you suck it down until it's all gone or until you're physically unable to have one more drink? Some of the most inveterate drunks I've known would stand up, walk to the bathroom, then put themselves to bed, leaving half a beer or or more sitting there. As opposed to, say, draining the glass, falling to the floor and wetting themselves.

There was no "suck it down until it's all gone" with me, because at that point I'd get in the car and go buy more, no matter how much I'd consumed. I'd then continue until I was physically unable to consume more most of the time due to passing out where I was drinking. Yes, draining the glass, falling to the floor (or tipping forward to the desk) was the norm, not the exception.  "Helplessly" is a good description, actually. I know my limit: it's one more.

My hunch tells me that if "being unable to stop a drinking session" is the definition of alcoholism then very few people in AA are true alcoholics.

Spoken like somebody who can moderate his drinking: "Alcoholism clearly doesn't exist because I can't comprehend it." For an alcoholic, no explanation of the compulsion is necessary; for a non-alcoholic, no understanding of the compulsion is possible. The majority of the people I interact with regularly in actual AA meetings do, in fact, understand the "can't stop at one" dilemma; if you don't understand it, there's a really good chance you're either not an alcoholic or haven't yet figured out that you are. There's functionally no difference between the two.

Consider yourself lucky that you can put the plug in the jug and walk away. There are some of us who truly can't stop with just one drink.
2014-01-06 04:41:34 PM  
3 votes:
I drink to make other people tolerable
2014-01-07 03:46:03 AM  
2 votes:
I feel like the puritanical protestant ideals engrained in society occasionally make people feel weird about perfectly normal drinking habits. You would think we would have this shiat under control so long after repeal, but every time an article like this comes around it causes a worried chorus of "I drink some wine/beer/cocktails regularly during the week - oh god I'm an alcoholic!". No, you're probably not. You're taking part in the rich history of western culture, now have a drink and stop letting people shame you over something so stupid.
2014-01-06 07:00:37 PM  
2 votes:

The One True TheDavid: FTFA: "[O]nce they have taken that first drink, they know they can't stop."

This is such bullshiat. Where does such propaganda come from? I have never kept drinking till the last drop in the house was gone, nor have I spent every penny in my pockets in a bar. In fact most nights I cut myself off at a certain point, going by how I feel, so as to avoid a hangover, and there's no way anybody could call me an unusually disciplined drinker.

Do many of you Farkers actually drink so helplessly? Do you suck it down until it's all gone or until you're physically unable to have one more drink? Some of the most inveterate drunks I've known would stand up, walk to the bathroom, then put themselves to bed, leaving half a beer or or more sitting there. As opposed to, say, draining the glass, falling to the floor and wetting themselves.

My hunch tells me that if "being unable to stop a drinking session" is the definition of alcoholism then very few people in AA are true alcoholics.


I know people like that. There are two kinds of people in AA: "true" alcoholics who get blackout shiatfaced the first time they drink, and never drink any other way, and people who gradually become dependent on alcohol to the point where it starts to screw up their lives. I'm the latter; it's gotten very difficult for me to stop after one drink, and if I have four, I generally have eight. I'm not drinking at all at the moment, but I hold no apprehensions that I can drink like a normal person any more. I'm not gonna do AA, though; I have no trouble NOT drinking after the first couple days drying out, and my biggest "rock bottom" story would be along the lines of "I'm 50 pounds overweight." Plus, the whole "give in to your higher power" thing kinda creeps me out.
2014-01-06 05:51:18 PM  
2 votes:
I'm not in denial about my drinking habits. I just deny it to other people, like bosses or cops.
2014-01-06 10:20:11 PM  
1 votes:
simplifyreality.com
2014-01-06 08:26:19 PM  
1 votes:
Maybe it's just that I didn't "take to drink" till after I quit smoking a pack or two of non-filtereds a day for 20-odd years. I gather most people start drinking early and continue their relationship with alcohol in whatever fashion and to whatever degree, but there were some years when I'd didn't drink and some where I got barfing-into-the-storm-drain blitzed every other weekend for the duration of summer. It was just not an important part of my life.

What I drank till my eyeballs floated was coffee. A couple dozen "servings" a day, right up till I fell asleep. My bladder itched, I got fine tremors, my patience wore thin, it got hard to focus, and withdrawal meant a blinding migraine. These days my caffeine consumption is much more moderate: in the evening I switch to ethanol, and I'm much easier to get along with when I'm drinking unless you have "issues" with people who drink. (You know, when ya gotta say "I'm sorry your father was a violent drunk all through your childhood, but I'm neither violent nor your daddy, and for pete's sake you're 35 now anyway.")

Good pot can give me visions. Booze makes me mellow. Even on Fark: if you could see me you'd know I mean what I type but it's all just a hobby. (So no matter what you call me I wouldn't come kill you even if you lived across the street.)

/ Oh, by the way, I'm sorry there are pedophiles. But then I also apologize for red lights.
2014-01-06 08:17:03 PM  
1 votes:

Witness99: mbillips: The One True TheDavid: FTFA: "[O]nce they have taken that first drink, they know they can't stop."

This is such bullshiat. Where does such propaganda come from? I have never kept drinking till the last drop in the house was gone, nor have I spent every penny in my pockets in a bar. In fact most nights I cut myself off at a certain point, going by how I feel, so as to avoid a hangover, and there's no way anybody could call me an unusually disciplined drinker.

Do many of you Farkers actually drink so helplessly? Do you suck it down until it's all gone or until you're physically unable to have one more drink? Some of the most inveterate drunks I've known would stand up, walk to the bathroom, then put themselves to bed, leaving half a beer or or more sitting there. As opposed to, say, draining the glass, falling to the floor and wetting themselves.

My hunch tells me that if "being unable to stop a drinking session" is the definition of alcoholism then very few people in AA are true alcoholics.

I know people like that. There are two kinds of people in AA: "true" alcoholics who get blackout shiatfaced the first time they drink, and never drink any other way, and people who gradually become dependent on alcohol to the point where it starts to screw up their lives. I'm the latter; it's gotten very difficult for me to stop after one drink, and if I have four, I generally have eight. I'm not drinking at all at the moment, but I hold no apprehensions that I can drink like a normal person any more. I'm not gonna do AA, though; I have no trouble NOT drinking after the first couple days drying out, and my biggest "rock bottom" story would be along the lines of "I'm 50 pounds overweight." Plus, the whole "give in to your higher power" thing kinda creeps me out.

"True alcoholics" don't get drunk or blackout.


I don't think you know what a blackout is. I've had a few; you don't necessarily pass out or lose control of yourself. You just stop putting experiences into long-term memory. The next day, it's really hard to remember in much detail what happened the night before, which might have been completely mundane. People around you may not have even realized how drunk you were. Most of my blackouts have been while sitting at home, watching TV. The next day, I have no memory of the movie I saw the night before.
2014-01-06 08:13:19 PM  
1 votes:
Think of it as a pendulum.  You start out at frat parties and Tijuana bars getting trashed on six beers and throwing up.  That's the beginning of the pendulum swing.  The people that "get noticeably shiatfaced", pulled over for drunk driving, puking and falling asleep in the toilet....that's beginning to middle of the swing.  Most don't make it past that point without getting decked with some serious life consequences.  It depends on your physical chemistry.

If you make it to the other end of the pendulum swing, there is no more puking, no more being noticeably drunk, no more doing dangerous, risky stuff, no more hangovers.  People around you would never guess you've been drinking and your tolerance is so high that you could function at very complex tasks (mental and motor) with ease.  But you don't want to be there, because now you've screwed up your chemistry and you're going to have to pace yourself to correct it.
2014-01-06 07:19:55 PM  
1 votes:

teenage mutant ninja rapist: bborchar: I drink maybe once every two months. Don't like the taste of alcohol, so that pretty much seals it for me.

Dont like the taste? Nobody likes the damn taste. Have you ever seen a person do a shot of tequila and say "my thats lovely, tastes like happy" I didnt think so.


That's so, so, so wrong.  There are wines that bring me to rapture. There are beers that make me sigh a deep sigh of contentment. There are scotches that have just enough fire to open my eyes and catch my breath, and then lull me to quiet contemplation when I exhale.

Ethanol is one of the best organic solvents we know of. It does a great job of capturing and conveying aroma and flavor compounds (esters, ketones, aldehydes). If you "don't like the taste of alcohol", you've had shiatty alcohol.
2014-01-06 07:18:30 PM  
1 votes:
It was totally a self diagnosis thing with me.  You know inside if you're an alcoholic.  I knew. I started hating myself because I couldn't stop.  Hating yourself sucks.
I stopped drinking almost 5 years ago and everything is better, especially the way I look.

When I drank and smoked I would say:

If you don't smoke and drink, you may not live forever, but it will seem like it.

Now that I don't drink and smoke I say:

If you smoke and drink, you may not live forever, but you will look like you have.
2014-01-06 07:13:10 PM  
1 votes:

Nogale: What was the Hitchins thing? Was he claiming that alcoholism is imaginary, or that recovery from alcoholism is imaginary?


Just for the record, that would be Hitchens the Lesser, AKA Peter.

Stephen Fry recently had this to say about the younger Hitchens:

. I could see Peter Hitchens in the doorway of the Waverly Inn, standing utterly alone  (as he does intellectually, morally and socially amongst his brother's friends) and, taking pity, I just came up to chat. He responded so rudely, so vilely and with such lack of human decency, that I couldn't but tweet at the extreme difference between two products of the same parents.

It made me lol.
2014-01-06 07:02:54 PM  
1 votes:
Flat out had to quit, Dr. told me during a 6 hour ER visit that it was quit or die.  Been 7 years since I quit - lost 100 lbs and am in better shape than in a long time.

Was a serious drunk - quitting was the best thing to happen to me in long time, pity it took getting seriously ill to get the message.

Don't miss it, oddly.  At least not anymore - first few years I used to dream about drinking and wake up panicked that it was real.
2014-01-06 06:49:31 PM  
1 votes:

bborchar: I drink maybe once every two months. Don't like the taste of alcohol, so that pretty much seals it for me.


Dont like the taste? Nobody likes the damn taste. Have you ever seen a person do a shot of tequila and say "my thats lovely, tastes like happy" I didnt think so.
2014-01-06 06:48:50 PM  
1 votes:
Im gonna drink and if you neoprohibitionists have a problem with that go fark yourself.
2014-01-06 06:20:40 PM  
1 votes:
Alcoholic is one of those self diagnoses that has largely become meaningless these days.

Jim doesn't drink during the week, but he usually gets drunk on the weekends.  He's an alcoholic.  Jill only drinks a few times a year, but when she does, she doesn't know when to stop.  She's an alcoholic.  Billy likes to drink by himself sometimes, he's an alcoholic.  Susie hides the liquor bottles when her parents stop by for a visit, she's an alcoholic.
2014-01-06 06:15:22 PM  
1 votes:
FTFA: "[O]nce they have taken that first drink, they know they can't stop."

This is such bullshiat. Where does such propaganda come from? I have never kept drinking till the last drop in the house was gone, nor have I spent every penny in my pockets in a bar. In fact most nights I cut myself off at a certain point, going by how I feel, so as to avoid a hangover, and there's no way anybody could call me an unusually disciplined drinker.

Do many of you Farkers actually drink so helplessly? Do you suck it down until it's all gone or until you're physically unable to have one more drink? Some of the most inveterate drunks I've known would stand up, walk to the bathroom, then put themselves to bed, leaving half a beer or or more sitting there. As opposed to, say, draining the glass, falling to the floor and wetting themselves.

My hunch tells me that if "being unable to stop a drinking session" is the definition of alcoholism then very few people in AA are true alcoholics.
2014-01-06 06:08:27 PM  
1 votes:

FrancoFile: CSB time

Last time I had a checkup, it was a new doc. Fresh out of med school - 32 if she's a day.

She checked my vitals and said "Well, you're over 40 now, we need to do some blood work.  Your medical history - check check check - Family medical history - scribble scribble scribble.  Hey, it says here you manage a wine bar.  How much would you say you drink?"
"Oh, a half-bottle to a bottle a day."
"Really?!?!?"
"Yeah..." (I'm feeling a little defensive at this point)
"OK, I'm checking everything on your liver - check check check check check check check."

I go in to the lab two days later, have 4 tubes of blood pulled, and schedule a followup.  Docs sits down next to me with a file folder and says, "I have to be honest with you.  You're over 40, you drink a half-bottle of wine or more every day, and your liver function puts mine to shame. I have nothing to tell you except 'Keep Drinking'!"

I looked at the details - she was right.  One enzyme was supposed to be 200 ppm to 400 ppm.  I was at 301.

/CSB

tl;dr version - my liver is the strongest organ in my body


Yeah, I was drinking about twice that much until recently, I'm over 50, and my liver function is 100 percent normal. It sneaks up on you, though, is my understanding, plus your cancer risk goes way up. My biggest health problem related to drinking is obesity, which drives up my chances of diabetes. If I lose 30 pounds, though, I'm going to try to start drinking again, more moderately.
2014-01-06 06:05:39 PM  
1 votes:
I dont drink  (hate the taste of alcohol)
I live in Texas.
Have to keep it hush-hush and must live in constant fear of the rednecks(or cowboys, they call themselves) finding out and throwing me out of the state
2014-01-06 05:57:51 PM  
1 votes:
I toasted this story. I mean, I printed it out and put it in the toaster. Bad idea. Get me a drink.
 
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