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2014-01-06 06:52:41 PM

teenage mutant ninja rapist: bborchar: I drink maybe once every two months. Don't like the taste of alcohol, so that pretty much seals it for me.

Dont like the taste? Nobody likes the damn taste. Have you ever seen a person do a shot of tequila and say "my thats lovely, tastes like happy" I didnt think so.


You obviously drunk bad tequila.
 
2014-01-06 06:53:42 PM
*drink dammit.

/drunk
 
2014-01-06 06:58:55 PM
I'm surprised nobody else has recommended Modern Drunkard yet, much of which reads like it could have been written by Farkers. This Editor's Rant is particularly relevant to this thread.

/I like to think of "high functioning alcoholic" as an ambition.
 
2014-01-06 07:00:24 PM
I lasted about 8 sentences before getting tired of this C**t's MADD prohibition rant.
 
2014-01-06 07:00:37 PM

The One True TheDavid: FTFA: "[O]nce they have taken that first drink, they know they can't stop."

This is such bullshiat. Where does such propaganda come from? I have never kept drinking till the last drop in the house was gone, nor have I spent every penny in my pockets in a bar. In fact most nights I cut myself off at a certain point, going by how I feel, so as to avoid a hangover, and there's no way anybody could call me an unusually disciplined drinker.

Do many of you Farkers actually drink so helplessly? Do you suck it down until it's all gone or until you're physically unable to have one more drink? Some of the most inveterate drunks I've known would stand up, walk to the bathroom, then put themselves to bed, leaving half a beer or or more sitting there. As opposed to, say, draining the glass, falling to the floor and wetting themselves.

My hunch tells me that if "being unable to stop a drinking session" is the definition of alcoholism then very few people in AA are true alcoholics.


I know people like that. There are two kinds of people in AA: "true" alcoholics who get blackout shiatfaced the first time they drink, and never drink any other way, and people who gradually become dependent on alcohol to the point where it starts to screw up their lives. I'm the latter; it's gotten very difficult for me to stop after one drink, and if I have four, I generally have eight. I'm not drinking at all at the moment, but I hold no apprehensions that I can drink like a normal person any more. I'm not gonna do AA, though; I have no trouble NOT drinking after the first couple days drying out, and my biggest "rock bottom" story would be along the lines of "I'm 50 pounds overweight." Plus, the whole "give in to your higher power" thing kinda creeps me out.
 
2014-01-06 07:02:03 PM
Everyone needs something to believe in.  I believe I'll have another drink.
 
2014-01-06 07:02:54 PM
Flat out had to quit, Dr. told me during a 6 hour ER visit that it was quit or die.  Been 7 years since I quit - lost 100 lbs and am in better shape than in a long time.

Was a serious drunk - quitting was the best thing to happen to me in long time, pity it took getting seriously ill to get the message.

Don't miss it, oddly.  At least not anymore - first few years I used to dream about drinking and wake up panicked that it was real.
 
2014-01-06 07:03:28 PM

fanbladesaresharp: Kit Fister: I don't drink.


OK. What else then? Everyone has a vice. Come now, tell us.



He cares too much.
 
2014-01-06 07:06:29 PM

The One True TheDavid: FTFA: "[O]nce they have taken that first drink, they know they can't stop."

This is such bullshiat. Where does such propaganda come from? I have never kept drinking till the last drop in the house was gone, nor have I spent every penny in my pockets in a bar. In fact most nights I cut myself off at a certain point, going by how I feel, so as to avoid a hangover, and there's no way anybody could call me an unusually disciplined drinker.

Do many of you Farkers actually drink so helplessly? Do you suck it down until it's all gone or until you're physically unable to have one more drink? Some of the most inveterate drunks I've known would stand up, walk to the bathroom, then put themselves to bed, leaving half a beer or or more sitting there. As opposed to, say, draining the glass, falling to the floor and wetting themselves.

My hunch tells me that if "being unable to stop a drinking session" is the definition of alcoholism then very few people in AA are true alcoholics.


^^ I've said it before, I'm a session drinker in *MOST* cases. It is rare for me to get seriously compromised with alcohol, but by pure medical consideration I am a medium to heavy drinker. At worst what happens is I'm distracted by something and/or really tired and stop pacing myself by accident, but it's rare.

I do hate wasting half a beer on occasion though. Craft stuff is expensive.
 
2014-01-06 07:07:41 PM
Yesterday I ate a tube of Oreos to stop myself from going out in the cold to buy a six-pack an hour before bed.

/third day
 
2014-01-06 07:10:41 PM

abmoraz: For the last month, I've been given a clean bill of health. I've gone out drinking 3 times. I've also gone out "not drinking" many more times, where I have 3 beers or less in a 4hour trip.


When I have gone out "not drinking" that's when I have gone to work.

Congrats on your return to good health in time for the New Year. We'll tak a right gude-willy waught,
for auld lang syne.
 
2014-01-06 07:13:10 PM

Nogale: What was the Hitchins thing? Was he claiming that alcoholism is imaginary, or that recovery from alcoholism is imaginary?


Just for the record, that would be Hitchens the Lesser, AKA Peter.

Stephen Fry recently had this to say about the younger Hitchens:

. I could see Peter Hitchens in the doorway of the Waverly Inn, standing utterly alone  (as he does intellectually, morally and socially amongst his brother's friends) and, taking pity, I just came up to chat. He responded so rudely, so vilely and with such lack of human decency, that I couldn't but tweet at the extreme difference between two products of the same parents.

It made me lol.
 
2014-01-06 07:14:26 PM

jerky on the veldt: Yesterday I ate a tube of Oreos to stop myself from going out in the cold to buy a six-pack an hour before bed.

/third day


That's what I have to do.
Hard to drink when I'm stuffed.
Sugared stuff seems to also curb beer cravings.
Gonna probably get fatter though.
 
2014-01-06 07:18:30 PM
It was totally a self diagnosis thing with me.  You know inside if you're an alcoholic.  I knew. I started hating myself because I couldn't stop.  Hating yourself sucks.
I stopped drinking almost 5 years ago and everything is better, especially the way I look.

When I drank and smoked I would say:

If you don't smoke and drink, you may not live forever, but it will seem like it.

Now that I don't drink and smoke I say:

If you smoke and drink, you may not live forever, but you will look like you have.
 
2014-01-06 07:19:55 PM

teenage mutant ninja rapist: bborchar: I drink maybe once every two months. Don't like the taste of alcohol, so that pretty much seals it for me.

Dont like the taste? Nobody likes the damn taste. Have you ever seen a person do a shot of tequila and say "my thats lovely, tastes like happy" I didnt think so.


That's so, so, so wrong.  There are wines that bring me to rapture. There are beers that make me sigh a deep sigh of contentment. There are scotches that have just enough fire to open my eyes and catch my breath, and then lull me to quiet contemplation when I exhale.

Ethanol is one of the best organic solvents we know of. It does a great job of capturing and conveying aroma and flavor compounds (esters, ketones, aldehydes). If you "don't like the taste of alcohol", you've had shiatty alcohol.
 
2014-01-06 07:27:11 PM
I have a drink everyday. Usually a vodka & diet 7up at night.
 
2014-01-06 07:28:06 PM
Last time I had a checkup, it was a new doc. Fresh out of med school - 32 if she's a day.

I had the same experience. She told me I had to stop fapping. I asked her why.

She said "Because I'm trying to examine you!"

/I'm here all week.
//Try the veal.
 
2014-01-06 07:33:08 PM
I'm confused by 'Dry January.' Why would you give up alcohol during Carnival Season only to pick it up again during Lent? (This year excepting since it's a late Lent.) That's about the height of idiocy. It's like giving up getting present during December only to pick it up again in the middle of January.
 
2014-01-06 07:34:11 PM
Never trust anyone who doesn't drink.

/you may laugh, but this is profound advice -- ignore it at your peril
 
2014-01-06 07:36:16 PM

FrancoFile: CSB time

Last time I had a checkup, it was a new doc. Fresh out of med school - 32 if she's a day.

She checked my vitals and said "Well, you're over 40 now, we need to do some blood work.  Your medical history - check check check - Family medical history - scribble scribble scribble.  Hey, it says here you manage a wine bar.  How much would you say you drink?"
"Oh, a half-bottle to a bottle a day."
"Really?!?!?"
"Yeah..." (I'm feeling a little defensive at this point)
"OK, I'm checking everything on your liver - check check check check check check check."

I go in to the lab two days later, have 4 tubes of blood pulled, and schedule a followup.  Docs sits down next to me with a file folder and says, "I have to be honest with you.  You're over 40, you drink a half-bottle of wine or more every day, and your liver function puts mine to shame. I have nothing to tell you except 'Keep Drinking'!"

I looked at the details - she was right.  One enzyme was supposed to be 200 ppm to 400 ppm.  I was at 301.

/CSB

tl;dr version - my liver is the strongest organ in my body


Enough with the boring stuff.  Did she stick her finger up your asshole?
 
2014-01-06 07:42:50 PM

teenage mutant ninja rapist: bborchar: I drink maybe once every two months. Don't like the taste of alcohol, so that pretty much seals it for me.

Dont like the taste? Nobody likes the damn taste. Have you ever seen a person do a shot of tequila and say "my thats lovely, tastes like happy" I didnt think so.


no, but I'm saying it after my shot tonight.

I usually say that tastes like forgetting.
 
2014-01-06 07:43:51 PM

senoy: I'm confused by 'Dry January.' Why would you give up alcohol during Carnival Season only to pick it up again during Lent? (This year excepting since it's a late Lent.) That's about the height of idiocy. It's like giving up getting present during December only to pick it up again in the middle of January.


Probably has to do with New Years resolutions and turning over a new leaf and whatnot.  Maybe if I lived in a place where it was summer in January.
 
2014-01-06 07:44:28 PM
And I'm an executive alcoholic. Means I can drink and function and not drink when the times call for it.
 
2014-01-06 07:46:08 PM

teenage mutant ninja rapist: bborchar: I drink maybe once every two months. Don't like the taste of alcohol, so that pretty much seals it for me.

Dont like the taste? Nobody likes the damn taste. Have you ever seen a person do a shot of tequila and say "my thats lovely, tastes like happy" I didnt think so.


I like the taste of good whiskey and vodka. 100-proof Very Old Barton is good, but Bulleit 95% Rye is nectar. Sobieski vodka from Poland, "distilled from 100% Dankowski rye," ain't bad neither. And of course I drink 'em straight up.

If you have to mix it to choke it down switch brands or liquors. If you don't want to do that then quit: there's a goddamn bourbon shortage on, thanks to hipsters and their sissy cocktails, and I demand my fair share.

I have less experience with tequila and hence less expertise. But if what I know from whiskey carries over, the cheap and/or widely-advertised stuff is most likely swill.
 
2014-01-06 07:46:31 PM
Alcohol is the only way to get through a Wisconsin winter when you hate winter as much as I.  I can sit and sip a good craft beer, or slam 6 or 7 pints of Point Special. All depends on the day, mood, and next day's obligations.  Hell, it's what we do here...
 
2014-01-06 07:49:45 PM
Going for a "dry January" myself. I didn't even know it was a thing before TFA.

At this point, 6 days without beer is probably the longest I've gone (without having a cold or something) since junior year of high school without drinking.
 
2014-01-06 07:50:21 PM
Very cold weather brings out the drinker in me. I farking hate cold weather, fark it all!
 
2014-01-06 07:54:03 PM
www.drunkard.com
 
2014-01-06 07:57:41 PM

senoy: I'm confused by 'Dry January.' Why would you give up alcohol during Carnival Season only to pick it up again during Lent? (This year excepting since it's a late Lent.) That's about the height of idiocy. It's like giving up getting present during December only to pick it up again in the middle of January.


Because you don't believe in that kinda Catholic nonsense, maybe? It might matter if you live in Brazil or New Orleans, but most places don't have a Carnival season.
 
2014-01-06 08:02:26 PM

mbillips: The One True TheDavid: FTFA: "[O]nce they have taken that first drink, they know they can't stop."

This is such bullshiat. Where does such propaganda come from? I have never kept drinking till the last drop in the house was gone, nor have I spent every penny in my pockets in a bar. In fact most nights I cut myself off at a certain point, going by how I feel, so as to avoid a hangover, and there's no way anybody could call me an unusually disciplined drinker.

Do many of you Farkers actually drink so helplessly? Do you suck it down until it's all gone or until you're physically unable to have one more drink? Some of the most inveterate drunks I've known would stand up, walk to the bathroom, then put themselves to bed, leaving half a beer or or more sitting there. As opposed to, say, draining the glass, falling to the floor and wetting themselves.

My hunch tells me that if "being unable to stop a drinking session" is the definition of alcoholism then very few people in AA are true alcoholics.

I know people like that. There are two kinds of people in AA: "true" alcoholics who get blackout shiatfaced the first time they drink, and never drink any other way, and people who gradually become dependent on alcohol to the point where it starts to screw up their lives. I'm the latter; it's gotten very difficult for me to stop after one drink, and if I have four, I generally have eight. I'm not drinking at all at the moment, but I hold no apprehensions that I can drink like a normal person any more. I'm not gonna do AA, though; I have no trouble NOT drinking after the first couple days drying out, and my biggest "rock bottom" story would be along the lines of "I'm 50 pounds overweight." Plus, the whole "give in to your higher power" thing kinda creeps me out.


"True alcoholics" don't get drunk or blackout.
 
2014-01-06 08:02:31 PM
mbillips:  "[T]rue" alcoholics who get blackout shiatfaced the first time they drink, and never drink any other way, and people who gradually become dependent on alcohol to the point where it starts to screw up their lives.

I don't have much of a life to screw up, which was true years before I started drinking every day about 8 years ago at age 42. I've been so consistently nonfunctional that I've never had a real job, a successful long-term relationship (except to economize on rent while she paid off her student loans, in separate bedrooms), a formal education, or a kid or step-kid. One benefit of being totally unable to handle "normal responsibilities" is that the chances for failing at anything are very minimized, as are the dangers of "irresponsible conduct."

On the other hand, if you want to see me sober give me a dog to walk. The few responsibilities I can manage I'm serious about.

"Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose / Nothing ain't worth nothing but it's free." - Kris Kristofferson
 
2014-01-06 08:08:30 PM

mbillips: The One True TheDavid: FTFA: "[O]nce they have taken that first drink, they know they can't stop."

This is such bullshiat. Where does such propaganda come from? I have never kept drinking till the last drop in the house was gone, nor have I spent every penny in my pockets in a bar. In fact most nights I cut myself off at a certain point, going by how I feel, so as to avoid a hangover, and there's no way anybody could call me an unusually disciplined drinker.

Do many of you Farkers actually drink so helplessly? Do you suck it down until it's all gone or until you're physically unable to have one more drink? Some of the most inveterate drunks I've known would stand up, walk to the bathroom, then put themselves to bed, leaving half a beer or or more sitting there. As opposed to, say, draining the glass, falling to the floor and wetting themselves.

My hunch tells me that if "being unable to stop a drinking session" is the definition of alcoholism then very few people in AA are true alcoholics.

I know people like that. There are two kinds of people in AA: "true" alcoholics who get blackout shiatfaced the first time they drink, and never drink any other way, and people who gradually become dependent on alcohol to the point where it starts to screw up their lives. I'm the latter; it's gotten very difficult for me to stop after one drink, and if I have four, I generally have eight. I'm not drinking at all at the moment, but I hold no apprehensions that I can drink like a normal person any more. I'm not gonna do AA, though; I have no trouble NOT drinking after the first couple days drying out, and my biggest "rock bottom" story would be along the lines of "I'm 50 pounds overweight." Plus, the whole "give in to your higher power" thing kinda creeps me out.


Yep, sounds like me.

My take on it is simple.  I used to be able to control my drinking, meaning I could decide ahead of time whether it was going to be a 4 drink max social drinking night, or a 1 and done night, or an all-nighter.  These days I've found that about 8 out of 10 times I can still do that, the other 2 I end up on a black out drunk without meaning to.

It's like everyone has a switch that can turn it off and on, and mine has a short in it so it only works intermittently.  I can either keep using it till it breaks altogether, or just give it up and use a lamp instead.  While I'd like to be able to repair the switch, unfortunately it's not an option.
 
2014-01-06 08:11:01 PM

ladyfortuna: It is rare for me to get seriously compromised with alcohol, but by pure medical consideration I am a medium to heavy drinker.


That's how I do it. Even though the "real-world" penalties are few. Another essential thing is that my drinking has to be fun: if it's too much like work somebody better be paying me.
 
2014-01-06 08:11:40 PM
Drink at work! That way one can get compensated while getting incapacitated. A win-win!
 
2014-01-06 08:11:48 PM
So, yeah... I normally don't "out" myself, but this one rubbed me the wrong way a bit.

The One True TheDavid: FTFA: "[O]nce they have taken that first drink, they know they can't stop."

This is such bullshiat. Where does such propaganda come from? I have never kept drinking till the last drop in the house was gone, nor have I spent every penny in my pockets in a bar. In fact most nights I cut myself off at a certain point, going by how I feel, so as to avoid a hangover, and there's no way anybody could call me an unusually disciplined drinker.


Let me tell you how that sounds to me: "I drink normally, get drunk a bit now and then, and try to avoid getting hangovers, therefore this whole 'cannot moderate the drinking' and 'addictive behavior' while drinking is bullshiat."

Do many of you Farkers actually drink so helplessly? Do you suck it down until it's all gone or until you're physically unable to have one more drink? Some of the most inveterate drunks I've known would stand up, walk to the bathroom, then put themselves to bed, leaving half a beer or or more sitting there. As opposed to, say, draining the glass, falling to the floor and wetting themselves.

There was no "suck it down until it's all gone" with me, because at that point I'd get in the car and go buy more, no matter how much I'd consumed. I'd then continue until I was physically unable to consume more most of the time due to passing out where I was drinking. Yes, draining the glass, falling to the floor (or tipping forward to the desk) was the norm, not the exception.  "Helplessly" is a good description, actually. I know my limit: it's one more.

My hunch tells me that if "being unable to stop a drinking session" is the definition of alcoholism then very few people in AA are true alcoholics.

Spoken like somebody who can moderate his drinking: "Alcoholism clearly doesn't exist because I can't comprehend it." For an alcoholic, no explanation of the compulsion is necessary; for a non-alcoholic, no understanding of the compulsion is possible. The majority of the people I interact with regularly in actual AA meetings do, in fact, understand the "can't stop at one" dilemma; if you don't understand it, there's a really good chance you're either not an alcoholic or haven't yet figured out that you are. There's functionally no difference between the two.

Consider yourself lucky that you can put the plug in the jug and walk away. There are some of us who truly can't stop with just one drink.
 
2014-01-06 08:13:19 PM
Think of it as a pendulum.  You start out at frat parties and Tijuana bars getting trashed on six beers and throwing up.  That's the beginning of the pendulum swing.  The people that "get noticeably shiatfaced", pulled over for drunk driving, puking and falling asleep in the toilet....that's beginning to middle of the swing.  Most don't make it past that point without getting decked with some serious life consequences.  It depends on your physical chemistry.

If you make it to the other end of the pendulum swing, there is no more puking, no more being noticeably drunk, no more doing dangerous, risky stuff, no more hangovers.  People around you would never guess you've been drinking and your tolerance is so high that you could function at very complex tasks (mental and motor) with ease.  But you don't want to be there, because now you've screwed up your chemistry and you're going to have to pace yourself to correct it.
 
2014-01-06 08:17:03 PM

Witness99: mbillips: The One True TheDavid: FTFA: "[O]nce they have taken that first drink, they know they can't stop."

This is such bullshiat. Where does such propaganda come from? I have never kept drinking till the last drop in the house was gone, nor have I spent every penny in my pockets in a bar. In fact most nights I cut myself off at a certain point, going by how I feel, so as to avoid a hangover, and there's no way anybody could call me an unusually disciplined drinker.

Do many of you Farkers actually drink so helplessly? Do you suck it down until it's all gone or until you're physically unable to have one more drink? Some of the most inveterate drunks I've known would stand up, walk to the bathroom, then put themselves to bed, leaving half a beer or or more sitting there. As opposed to, say, draining the glass, falling to the floor and wetting themselves.

My hunch tells me that if "being unable to stop a drinking session" is the definition of alcoholism then very few people in AA are true alcoholics.

I know people like that. There are two kinds of people in AA: "true" alcoholics who get blackout shiatfaced the first time they drink, and never drink any other way, and people who gradually become dependent on alcohol to the point where it starts to screw up their lives. I'm the latter; it's gotten very difficult for me to stop after one drink, and if I have four, I generally have eight. I'm not drinking at all at the moment, but I hold no apprehensions that I can drink like a normal person any more. I'm not gonna do AA, though; I have no trouble NOT drinking after the first couple days drying out, and my biggest "rock bottom" story would be along the lines of "I'm 50 pounds overweight." Plus, the whole "give in to your higher power" thing kinda creeps me out.

"True alcoholics" don't get drunk or blackout.


I don't think you know what a blackout is. I've had a few; you don't necessarily pass out or lose control of yourself. You just stop putting experiences into long-term memory. The next day, it's really hard to remember in much detail what happened the night before, which might have been completely mundane. People around you may not have even realized how drunk you were. Most of my blackouts have been while sitting at home, watching TV. The next day, I have no memory of the movie I saw the night before.
 
2014-01-06 08:18:25 PM

wichitaleaf: jerky on the veldt: Yesterday I ate a tube of Oreos to stop myself from going out in the cold to buy a six-pack an hour before bed.

/third day

That's what I have to do.
Hard to drink when I'm stuffed.
Sugared stuff seems to also curb beer cravings.
Gonna probably get fatter though.


Alcoholic hypoglycemia. Your body expects the sugar rush from the alcohol, but doesn't get it.

Don't binge on the sugary treats, but really look into taking up a diet similar to what hypoglycemics have to do to keep level.
 
2014-01-06 08:23:05 PM

Blitherakt: So, yeah... I normally don't "out" myself, but this one rubbed me the wrong way a bit.

The One True TheDavid: FTFA: "[O]nce they have taken that first drink, they know they can't stop."

This is such bullshiat. Where does such propaganda come from? I have never kept drinking till the last drop in the house was gone, nor have I spent every penny in my pockets in a bar. In fact most nights I cut myself off at a certain point, going by how I feel, so as to avoid a hangover, and there's no way anybody could call me an unusually disciplined drinker.

Let me tell you how that sounds to me: "I drink normally, get drunk a bit now and then, and try to avoid getting hangovers, therefore this whole 'cannot moderate the drinking' and 'addictive behavior' while drinking is bullshiat."

Do many of you Farkers actually drink so helplessly? Do you suck it down until it's all gone or until you're physically unable to have one more drink? Some of the most inveterate drunks I've known would stand up, walk to the bathroom, then put themselves to bed, leaving half a beer or or more sitting there. As opposed to, say, draining the glass, falling to the floor and wetting themselves.

There was no "suck it down until it's all gone" with me, because at that point I'd get in the car and go buy more, no matter how much I'd consumed. I'd then continue until I was physically unable to consume more most of the time due to passing out where I was drinking. Yes, draining the glass, falling to the floor (or tipping forward to the desk) was the norm, not the exception.  "Helplessly" is a good description, actually. I know my limit: it's one more.

My hunch tells me that if "being unable to stop a drinking session" is the definition of alcoholism then very few people in AA are true alcoholics.

Spoken like somebody who can moderate his drinking: "Alcoholism clearly doesn't exist because I can't comprehend it." For an alcoholic, no explanation of the compulsion is necessary; for a non-alcoholic, no un ...


A friend from when I grew up has been in and out of rehab a half-dozen times.  The last time, he was released from a 90-day program, and was picked up for DUI less than 24 hours later.  His mom & dad both said 'no more'.  No bail, no lawyer, nothing.  Let him dry out in jail.  Sad, sad, sad story.

I understand how it happens, but I can't conceive that I would ever be that way with alcohol.  On the other hand, I'll never fill a prescription for Valium or Xanax.  I took one of those before Lasik surgery and it scared the crap out of me after I had recovered from post-op.
 
2014-01-06 08:25:23 PM

Thingster: wichitaleaf: jerky on the veldt: Yesterday I ate a tube of Oreos to stop myself from going out in the cold to buy a six-pack an hour before bed.

/third day

That's what I have to do.
Hard to drink when I'm stuffed.
Sugared stuff seems to also curb beer cravings.
Gonna probably get fatter though.

Alcoholic hypoglycemia. Your body expects the sugar rush from the alcohol, but doesn't get it.

Don't binge on the sugary treats, but really look into taking up a diet similar to what hypoglycemics have to do to keep level.


Yeah, I have combined not-drinking with a high-protein, low-carb diet, and more exercise. Really seems to help. I'm starving, because I'm limiting my calories, but I don't have any booze cravings.
 
2014-01-06 08:26:19 PM
Maybe it's just that I didn't "take to drink" till after I quit smoking a pack or two of non-filtereds a day for 20-odd years. I gather most people start drinking early and continue their relationship with alcohol in whatever fashion and to whatever degree, but there were some years when I'd didn't drink and some where I got barfing-into-the-storm-drain blitzed every other weekend for the duration of summer. It was just not an important part of my life.

What I drank till my eyeballs floated was coffee. A couple dozen "servings" a day, right up till I fell asleep. My bladder itched, I got fine tremors, my patience wore thin, it got hard to focus, and withdrawal meant a blinding migraine. These days my caffeine consumption is much more moderate: in the evening I switch to ethanol, and I'm much easier to get along with when I'm drinking unless you have "issues" with people who drink. (You know, when ya gotta say "I'm sorry your father was a violent drunk all through your childhood, but I'm neither violent nor your daddy, and for pete's sake you're 35 now anyway.")

Good pot can give me visions. Booze makes me mellow. Even on Fark: if you could see me you'd know I mean what I type but it's all just a hobby. (So no matter what you call me I wouldn't come kill you even if you lived across the street.)

/ Oh, by the way, I'm sorry there are pedophiles. But then I also apologize for red lights.
 
2014-01-06 08:31:53 PM
Hey, let's ban booze!  That'll fix everything; you'll see!
 
2014-01-06 08:37:08 PM

mbillips: Witness99: mbillips: The One True TheDavid: FTFA: "[O]nce they have taken that first drink, they know they can't stop."

This is such bullshiat. Where does such propaganda come from? I have never kept drinking till the last drop in the house was gone, nor have I spent every penny in my pockets in a bar. In fact most nights I cut myself off at a certain point, going by how I feel, so as to avoid a hangover, and there's no way anybody could call me an unusually disciplined drinker.

Do many of you Farkers actually drink so helplessly? Do you suck it down until it's all gone or until you're physically unable to have one more drink? Some of the most inveterate drunks I've known would stand up, walk to the bathroom, then put themselves to bed, leaving half a beer or or more sitting there. As opposed to, say, draining the glass, falling to the floor and wetting themselves.

My hunch tells me that if "being unable to stop a drinking session" is the definition of alcoholism then very few people in AA are true alcoholics.

I know people like that. There are two kinds of people in AA: "true" alcoholics who get blackout shiatfaced the first time they drink, and never drink any other way, and people who gradually become dependent on alcohol to the point where it starts to screw up their lives. I'm the latter; it's gotten very difficult for me to stop after one drink, and if I have four, I generally have eight. I'm not drinking at all at the moment, but I hold no apprehensions that I can drink like a normal person any more. I'm not gonna do AA, though; I have no trouble NOT drinking after the first couple days drying out, and my biggest "rock bottom" story would be along the lines of "I'm 50 pounds overweight." Plus, the whole "give in to your higher power" thing kinda creeps me out.

"True alcoholics" don't get drunk or blackout.

I don't think you know what a blackout is. I've had a few; you don't necessarily pass out or lose control of yourself. You just stop putting experien ...


When I was beginning to mid pendulum swing, I would get drunk and have blackouts, or periods of time I couldn't remember.  Not anymore.  I couldn't get drunk if I tried, and really, I don't try much anymore.  It's like I've come to the end of the road and there's nothing to be gained, no happy feeling of escape, no avoiding my real world problems.  So for me, reaching the end of the pendulum swing has resulted in loss of interest in alcohol.  I've cut my drinking in half (because it offers no high), in fact, I drink less and less on a weekly basis to step my body down from the dependence.
 
2014-01-06 08:44:47 PM
 
2014-01-06 08:52:23 PM
"Regular people, people who are not drunks or addicts, will drink too much, get a horrible hangover, and decide not to do it again.  And then they don't.  An addict decides that there was something wrong with his technique or the ratios.   It was the gin; from now on, brown liquor only.  And water, I forgot to drink water.  Or maybe it was the lack of food.  Next time I think about doing shots on an empty stomach at three in the afternoon, I'm going to order a grilled cheese.  That should make a huge difference."
 
2014-01-06 08:53:03 PM

Blitherakt: In fact most nights I cut myself off at a certain point, going by how I feel, so as to avoid a hangover, and there's no way anybody could call me an unusually disciplined drinker.

Let me tell you how that sounds to me: "I drink normally, get drunk a bit now and then, and try to avoid getting hangovers, therefore this whole 'cannot moderate the drinking' and 'addictive behavior' while drinking is bullshiat."


Okay, I hear you. I do tend to judge everything by my own standards, including drinking, which can be kinda like a Ward Cleaver type talking about "family" as if his kind were the only one. And maybe I just haven't known too many drinkers with "serious problems": I can think of one or two, but even they could moderate when they had to. Till the ankle bracelet got taken off, for example.

(It's the junkies I'd call helpless, like this guy I grew up with: the guys at the firehouse a mile away got used to being called to his house for Narcan for him or one of his banging buddies, and he died a few years back when there was nobody to call 911.)

And it's not like I can swear that I'm not an alcoholic. E.g., it may be that it'd be hard for me to give it up; I certainly have no plans to try nor will I ever move to a dry county. It's just that the Official Portrait doesn't fit me: "if that's a devil then I'm the virgin Mary."

It may be true that I'm somehow blessed with "being able to put the plug in the jug." And that I'm an asshole. It's not like I have to work at either. If I deserve any credit for anything it's for not getting so defensive about whatever that I don't think straight (e.g., there a probably dozens of Jehovah's Witnesses around here that don't knock on my door when I'm trying to shiat), which obviously I failed to do upthread.

So please accept my apologies.
 
2014-01-06 09:13:09 PM
Witness99:

It's like I've come to the end of the road and there's nothing to be gained... reaching the end of the pendulum swing has resulted in loss of interest in alcohol.

I've cut my drinking in half (because it offers no high), in fact, I drink less and less on a weekly basis to step my body down from the dependence.



Boy, does that sound familiar.

I've had the same sensation of "reaching an end" in the last year or two and at first I was pretty bummed by it.  Sort of a "Whatever shall I do after all these years" type of panic set in on realizing things would have to change before too long.

Not any more though, as I've also halved my drinking, and finding out that I can enjoy an evening doing something other than tying one on was a huge relief.

/ not getting any younger either
// see where it goes
 
2014-01-06 09:28:55 PM

God Is My Co-Pirate: Unlike those who go on drinking in denial, people who put down the booze are facing up to their demons and living life without anaesthetic.

1. Most of us drink because we like the taste, not because we feel compelled to.
2. Most of are capable of distinguishing between a relaxed buzz and blackout drunk, and regulating ourselves accordingly.
3. If you're going to take a month off drinking, for God's sake, pick a better month than January - the darkest, coldest, most depressing month of the year.


Most of us are experts in most subjects, including what most people do and what most people say.  Not to mention the abilities, feelings, and opinions of most of us are mostly known by the most experts as well as most people.
 
2014-01-06 09:32:53 PM

mbillips: [www.drunkard.com image 450x655]


Heh.Its twelve steps to my bathroom.Thats my program.
 
2014-01-06 09:42:05 PM
I got drunk yesterday afternoon. And I realize the amount of times I've been drunk is less then my age. In fact I've probably have consumed less then 200 drinks in my life. In comparison I've probably have had about 30,000 soft drinks and about 14lbs of pot.

/I sound fat and stoned
//I am fat, but sadly currently sober
 
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