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2014-01-06 09:57:18 PM  

Thingster: wichitaleaf: jerky on the veldt: Yesterday I ate a tube of Oreos to stop myself from going out in the cold to buy a six-pack an hour before bed.

/third day

That's what I have to do.
Hard to drink when I'm stuffed.
Sugared stuff seems to also curb beer cravings.
Gonna probably get fatter though.

Alcoholic hypoglycemia. Your body expects the sugar rush from the alcohol, but doesn't get it.

Don't binge on the sugary treats, but really look into taking up a diet similar to what hypoglycemics have to do to keep level.


That, I will take into serious consideration (looks at lunch) after lunch.
 
2014-01-06 10:07:47 PM  
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2014-01-06 10:15:31 PM  

stevenvictx: I dont drink  (hate the taste of alcohol)
I live in Texas.
Have to keep it hush-hush and must live in constant fear of the rednecks(or cowboys, they call themselves) finding out and throwing me out of the state


*blinks with astonishment* I should think a reliable designated driver would be a drinker's best friend.
 
2014-01-06 10:17:04 PM  

tjsands1118: I've probably have consumed less then 200 drinks in my life.



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2014-01-06 10:20:11 PM  
simplifyreality.com
 
2014-01-06 10:53:44 PM  
Naw. I haven't had a drink in 25 years. But the water I put away! It's insane!

/Really
 
2014-01-06 11:05:12 PM  

mbillips: I know people like that. There are two kinds of people in AA: "true" alcoholics who get blackout shiatfaced the first time they drink, and never drink any other way, and people who gradually become dependent on alcohol to the point where it starts to screw up their lives. I'm the latter; it's gotten very difficult for me to stop after one drink, and if I have four, I generally have eight. I'm not drinking at all at the moment, but I hold no apprehensions that I can drink like a normal person any more. I'm not gonna do AA, though; I have no trouble NOT drinking after the first couple days drying out, and my biggest "rock bottom" story would be along the lines of "I'm 50 pounds overweight." Plus, the whole "give in to your higher power" thing kinda creeps me out.


You can have a very bad drinking habit, "alcoholic" by most definitions, and still be able to get it under control (most of the time). Some people want help with that, and others don't need it or want it. There's also high-functioning alcoholics who can keep it up for years and years and you don't understand how they can do it.

And then there's the "I'm going to drink everything I can get my hands on" drinker, from the time they have their first drink ever. I was like that. Drank myself half to death before I was 30.

The funny thing is, I still have a particular weakness for alcoholic men. The functional ones are like catnip to me.

/Hey, I said I quit drinking, not that I fixed everything.
 
2014-01-06 11:17:29 PM  

The One True TheDavid: FTFA: "[O]nce they have taken that first drink, they know they can't stop."

This is such bullshiat. Where does such propaganda come from? I have never kept drinking till the last drop in the house was gone, nor have I spent every penny in my pockets in a bar. In fact most nights I cut myself off at a certain point, going by how I feel, so as to avoid a hangover, and there's no way anybody could call me an unusually disciplined drinker.

Do many of you Farkers actually drink so helplessly? Do you suck it down until it's all gone or until you're physically unable to have one more drink? Some of the most inveterate drunks I've known would stand up, walk to the bathroom, then put themselves to bed, leaving half a beer or or more sitting there. As opposed to, say, draining the glass, falling to the floor and wetting themselves.

My hunch tells me that if "being unable to stop a drinking session" is the definition of alcoholism then very few people in AA are true alcoholics.


My god, you come off as insufferable here. I don't know anybody who "knows" they can't stop after their first drink, but after that you sound completely naive.

Lots of people drink kind of helplessly. A friend of mine downed a bottle of Triple Sec that was left over from his roommate making margaritas one night. The four of them shared a bottle of tequila but of course you use much less triple sec than tequila (never mind that a better margarita is made with fresh lime and agave nectar). This friend of mine didn't have any beer, maybe didn't even have enough money for beer and just poured himself glasses of triple sec.

I've been drunk and drank something weird just to keep drinking, but I never had to drink somebody else's bottle without asking. Unless you count my girlfriend, but I usually paid for it in the first place.
 
2014-01-06 11:21:08 PM  

ladyfortuna: I do hate wasting half a beer on occasion though. Craft stuff is expensive.


How expensive is it really? Even at $20 for a 4-pack of 12oz bottles comes to less than 50 cents per oz. So you might waste $2.50 on a rare occasion? And you helped create demand on the market. There is that much less on the market because you may have to buy more earlier.

OK, I should put down the bong.
 
2014-01-07 12:02:34 AM  

teenage mutant ninja rapist: Dont like the taste? Nobody likes the damn taste. Have you ever seen a person do a shot of tequila and say "my thats lovely, tastes like happy" I didnt think so.


I think most people dislike the taste of the alcohol, but if you get over that, then booze does taste interesting. On more than one occasion I've wished I could have another beer or cocktail, if only having another drink wouldn't ruin the next day or get me more buzzed than I want.

Used to read a blog by a researcher that investigating drug abuse. Stopped when he made a comment that the only reason people like coffee is because of the caffeine.  At that point I realized he was a nitwit.
 
2014-01-07 12:12:01 AM  
Was diagnosed with liver disease last year at age thirty... luckily it was caught before any permanent scarring occurred. Don't think that shiat won't hit you early, it doesn't always take long for it to set in. Doubly so if you're a fatty like me.

And for the love of god, go to a farking doctor before you quit cold turkey if you're a heavy drinker. No idea how TFA doesn't mention this.
 
zez
2014-01-07 12:23:11 AM  

detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: I'm pretty sure I had the flu last week.  But for some time I was seriously worried it was withdrawal after stopping drinking on January 1 (trying to go a month without drinking, already failed).  The symptoms are remarkably similar and I couldn't remember the last day I'd not had at least 2/3 drinks.


Don't try to stop drinking in January because there isn't much else to to. Try Spring or Summer when you can go out and do things besides sitting in the house next to the fridge full of beer or whatever.
 
zez
2014-01-07 12:48:58 AM  

Chafed Willi: Was diagnosed with liver disease last year at age thirty... luckily it was caught before any permanent scarring occurred. Don't think that shiat won't hit you early, it doesn't always take long for it to set in. Doubly so if you're a fatty like me.

And for the love of god, go to a farking doctor before you quit cold turkey if you're a heavy drinker. No idea how TFA doesn't mention this.


Do you really drink that much? My wife had non-alcoholic cirrhosis fatty liver disease and rarely ever drinks. She lost a lot a weight and it cleared right up.  Of course I drink every day and my test results are fantastic. Maybe it's because I ride a bike 200 miles a week.
 
2014-01-07 02:02:52 AM  
I've kitchen-managed a pub for the last 4 years, and though i generally have a drink after work (but only occasionally at home), i am the only one on staff who doesn't do the 'get blackout wasted' thing on a regular basis... I think the last time i did was probably 16+ yrs ago.

This is a college-town, and i'm old enough to be the cool-aunt to the lot of them at work...
Still, i live in fear of the day when one of them ends up being a tragic statistic.
 
2014-01-07 02:06:37 AM  

jaylectricity: The other distinction we often fail to make is people who can not handle being awake without a buzz versus people who go to work then go home, make dinner, take care of family duties then maybe drink a 6-pack between 7-10pm every night.


Hey! That's me!
 
2014-01-07 03:46:03 AM  
I feel like the puritanical protestant ideals engrained in society occasionally make people feel weird about perfectly normal drinking habits. You would think we would have this shiat under control so long after repeal, but every time an article like this comes around it causes a worried chorus of "I drink some wine/beer/cocktails regularly during the week - oh god I'm an alcoholic!". No, you're probably not. You're taking part in the rich history of western culture, now have a drink and stop letting people shame you over something so stupid.
 
2014-01-07 04:36:59 AM  
I went through University and my early twenties without over the top drinking. I used to work out and play sport during weeknights so I wouldn't have time to drink. I didn't always drink on weekends or if I did I rarely got drunk because I couldn't afford it.

Once I started full time work it started with Friday night drinks and the usual Saturday drinks with friends. Then as I earnt more money I would drink more during the week until I was drinking most days.

Some days I would have one beer sometimes 10. I occasionally would have a week or two without drinking but then get back straight back on the drink.

Since my wife has become pregnant I've decided to cut right down on drinking and exercise more. I don't want to cut it out completely but I'd love to get in shape again.

I've been doing well the past month and hope to keep it up. Wish me luck guys :)
 
2014-01-07 08:26:03 AM  

zez: Chafed Willi: Was diagnosed with liver disease last year at age thirty... luckily it was caught before any permanent scarring occurred. Don't think that shiat won't hit you early, it doesn't always take long for it to set in. Doubly so if you're a fatty like me.

And for the love of god, go to a farking doctor before you quit cold turkey if you're a heavy drinker. No idea how TFA doesn't mention this.

Do you really drink that much? My wife had non-alcoholic cirrhosis fatty liver disease and rarely ever drinks. She lost a lot a weight and it cleared right up.  Of course I drink every day and my test results are fantastic. Maybe it's because I ride a bike 200 miles a week.


I averaged about 20oz of vodka a night...my other fat guy tests (hdl/ldl, diabetes, etc) came back in healthy ranges all around, leaving alcohol as the primary factor. Lost 30 pounds the first two months just quitting and being mindful of my diet...if I had the will power to exercise as much as you do I'd set!
 
2014-01-07 09:56:59 AM  

God Is My Co-Pirate: Unlike those who go on drinking in denial, people who put down the booze are facing up to their demons and living life without anaesthetic.

1. Most of us drink because we like the taste, not because we feel compelled to.
2. Most of are capable of distinguishing between a relaxed buzz and blackout drunk, and regulating ourselves accordingly.
3. If you're going to take a month off drinking, for God's sake, pick a better month than January - the darkest, coldest, most depressing month of the year.


You sound defensive.

Do you drink because you like the taste, or in order to get you through darkness, coldness, and depression?
 
2014-01-07 10:08:19 AM  

teenage mutant ninja rapist: bborchar: I drink maybe once every two months. Don't like the taste of alcohol, so that pretty much seals it for me.

Dont like the taste? Nobody likes the damn taste. Have you ever seen a person do a shot of tequila and say "my thats lovely, tastes like happy" I didnt think so.


Girlie shots are farking delicious. Don't kid yourself.
 
2014-01-07 12:21:04 PM  

The One True TheDavid: Okay, I hear you. I do tend to judge everything by my own standards, including drinking, which can be kinda like a Ward Cleaver type talking about "family" as if his kind were the only one. And maybe I just haven't known too many drinkers with "serious problems": I can think of one or two, but even they could moderate when they had to. Till the ankle bracelet got taken off, for example.

(It's the junkies I'd call helpless, like this guy I grew up with: the guys at the firehouse a mile away got used to being called to his house for Narcan for him or one of his banging buddies, and he died a few years back when there was nobody to call 911.)

And it's not like I can swear that I'm not an alcoholic. E.g., it may be that it'd be hard for me to give it up; I certainly have no plans to try nor will I ever move to a dry county. It's just that the Official Portrait doesn't fit me: "if that's a devil then I'm the virgin Mary."

It may be true that I'm somehow blessed with "being able to put the plug in the jug." And that I'm an asshole. It's not like I have to work at either. If I deserve any credit for anything it's for not getting so defensive about whatever that I don't think straight (e.g., there a probably dozens of Jehovah's Witnesses around here that don't knock on my door when I'm trying to shiat), which obviously I failed to do upthread.

So please accept my apologies.


No worries. That's part of the whole "you can't really understand unless you are one" problem. There are basically three types of drinkers in my experience: those who drink normally, those who don't realize they're an alcoholic, and those in denial. I've been all three. Like I said earlier, you don't seem to understand the whole "compulsion" deal, so you're not one. It's a bizarre classification in that it's the only recognized "disease" by the mental and medical professions that requires self diagnosis.

One of the most insidious things about alcoholism is how it manifests. Between about 16 years and 30 years of age, I had maybe 20 drinks in my life and had been drunk once. Between 30 and maybe 35, I drank socially (normally), never drove drunk, and generally drank stuff because I liked the taste. Somewhere between 33 and 37, things changed: I wasn't an alcoholic until I was. During that time until I hit 42, I went from maybe a case of beer a week and a few martinis, to a case of beer a night and 3 to 4 handles of whiskey a week; I started always drinking for the effect rather than the taste or the social aspects. The night of my last drink, I started with 3 shots of tequila, 4 beers and 3 Long Islands at a company function to "pregame" going over to a friends house where I consumed 2 handles of Gin before having to be picked up and taken home.  I didn't understand what alcoholism was until that moment, even though I'd been a "practicing" drunk for several years at that point.

People tend to dismiss it as lack of discipline or emotional problems. I can control drinking through sheer force of will, but that doesn't stop the shiatty behavior; I just end up being an asshole who's pissed off because his emotional blunting tool can't be used. There's absolutely a willpower component and an emotional component to the issue, but they're not the primary deal in my case.

If I kiss a girl who's taken a drink in the past 10 minutes or so, I start salivating; if I use hand sanitizer, I start thinking of a bar; eating yeast rolls makes me crave a beer. I've been mistakenly given somebody else's gin and tonic when I ordered sprite and sat there having conflicting thoughts with my mouth full of alcohol: if I send the drink back, it'll be a waste of booze so I should just finish it and stop at one; yet I know where I wound up the last time I had a drink. The reason that "normal" people don't understand that is because it's just not farking normal.
 
2014-01-07 11:37:01 PM  

cryinoutloud: I still have a particular weakness for alcoholic men. The functional ones are like catnip to me.


Here kitty kitty.

Oh. Wait. You said "functional." Does it count if I'm not nonfunctional because of my boozing?

In general I have a particular weakness for women with low standards and/or a very compassionate nature: I'll even be gladly a once-a-month pity fark, and I'll cook dinner. It beats all hell out of one of those Serious Relationship thingies I fail so miserably at.

However y'all Farkettes should keep in mind that, according to the principle that real life should make up for what one can't get online and/or do for oneself, I'm cuddly but not conversational. Words belong in writing, and my hearing aid itches after a couple hours.
 
2014-01-07 11:54:39 PM  
You can know that you're a drunk, but not really care how that will turn out. Maybe it's being drunk that eases your fears. But when you start calling the six beers and three shots of bourbon (or vice versa) your prescription...you might still be in denial.

Is it still denial if you accept that you have a problem and you'll drink until you die? I mean, that's a pretty nice leap over all the other stages of grief.
 
2014-01-07 11:59:15 PM  

jaylectricity replieth unto me:

My god, you come off as insufferable here.

Only here?

Dammit. I'm slipping.


Chafed Willi: And for the love of god, go to a farking doctor before you quit cold turkey if you're a heavy drinker.


My ex's great-grandfather died from DTs. Seriously. Apparently there's a point where pouring booze down a person's throat won't work anymore.

And I just found out from the Wikipedia article that "Occurrence of a similar syndrome due to benzodiazepines does not require as long a period of consistent intake of such drugs." And barbiturate withdrawal can be fatal too.

Heroin withdrawal on the other hand is like a bad case of flu: a few days of crying, aching all over and shiatting yourself and you're through. And heroin is harder to get in the first place. So it seems to me that unlike being an alcoholic, you have to want to be a junkie.

Indeed, I've known people who did smack because it was socially disreputable, as if sticking a spike in your arm was a revolutionary act. If you have to try so hard to épater le bourgeois you should go back to Sunday school and join the damn choir.
 
2014-01-08 12:08:02 AM  

Pangea: Do you drink because you like the taste, or in order to get you through darkness, coldness, and depression?


All the above! And because I can afford it (if I'm cheap otherwise), it's easy to find (no dry county for me), it's another thing I can do all by myself, and unlike say smack or crack you know what you're getting. It's also fun: fun can be hard to find sometimes.

I do drink quite a bit more in the winter. Pretty soon I'll be killing a fifth of vodka in a couple days, or nights rather. I've had 4 or 5 shots just during tonight's return to this thread.
 
2014-01-08 01:40:12 AM  

jaylectricity: ladyfortuna: I do hate wasting half a beer on occasion though. Craft stuff is expensive.

How expensive is it really? Even at $20 for a 4-pack of 12oz bottles comes to less than 50 cents per oz. So you might waste $2.50 on a rare occasion? And you helped create demand on the market. There is that much less on the market because you may have to buy more earlier.

OK, I should put down the bong.


I've been in college for three semesters and live in the boonies. Wasting money like that means scraping for gas on occasion...
 
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