tjsands1118: I've probably have consumed less then 200 drinks in my life.
mbillips: I know people like that. There are two kinds of people in AA: "true" alcoholics who get blackout shiatfaced the first time they drink, and never drink any other way, and people who gradually become dependent on alcohol to the point where it starts to screw up their lives. I'm the latter; it's gotten very difficult for me to stop after one drink, and if I have four, I generally have eight. I'm not drinking at all at the moment, but I hold no apprehensions that I can drink like a normal person any more. I'm not gonna do AA, though; I have no trouble NOT drinking after the first couple days drying out, and my biggest "rock bottom" story would be along the lines of "I'm 50 pounds overweight." Plus, the whole "give in to your higher power" thing kinda creeps me out.
The One True TheDavid: FTFA: "[O]nce they have taken that first drink, they know they can't stop."This is such bullshiat. Where does such propaganda come from? I have never kept drinking till the last drop in the house was gone, nor have I spent every penny in my pockets in a bar. In fact most nights I cut myself off at a certain point, going by how I feel, so as to avoid a hangover, and there's no way anybody could call me an unusually disciplined drinker.Do many of you Farkers actually drink so helplessly? Do you suck it down until it's all gone or until you're physically unable to have one more drink? Some of the most inveterate drunks I've known would stand up, walk to the bathroom, then put themselves to bed, leaving half a beer or or more sitting there. As opposed to, say, draining the glass, falling to the floor and wetting themselves.My hunch tells me that if "being unable to stop a drinking session" is the definition of alcoholism then very few people in AA are true alcoholics.
ladyfortuna: I do hate wasting half a beer on occasion though. Craft stuff is expensive.
teenage mutant ninja rapist: Dont like the taste? Nobody likes the damn taste. Have you ever seen a person do a shot of tequila and say "my thats lovely, tastes like happy" I didnt think so.
detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: I'm pretty sure I had the flu last week. But for some time I was seriously worried it was withdrawal after stopping drinking on January 1 (trying to go a month without drinking, already failed). The symptoms are remarkably similar and I couldn't remember the last day I'd not had at least 2/3 drinks.
Chafed Willi: Was diagnosed with liver disease last year at age thirty... luckily it was caught before any permanent scarring occurred. Don't think that shiat won't hit you early, it doesn't always take long for it to set in. Doubly so if you're a fatty like me.And for the love of god, go to a farking doctor before you quit cold turkey if you're a heavy drinker. No idea how TFA doesn't mention this.
jaylectricity: The other distinction we often fail to make is people who can not handle being awake without a buzz versus people who go to work then go home, make dinner, take care of family duties then maybe drink a 6-pack between 7-10pm every night.
zez: Chafed Willi: Was diagnosed with liver disease last year at age thirty... luckily it was caught before any permanent scarring occurred. Don't think that shiat won't hit you early, it doesn't always take long for it to set in. Doubly so if you're a fatty like me.And for the love of god, go to a farking doctor before you quit cold turkey if you're a heavy drinker. No idea how TFA doesn't mention this.Do you really drink that much? My wife had non-alcoholic cirrhosis fatty liver disease and rarely ever drinks. She lost a lot a weight and it cleared right up. Of course I drink every day and my test results are fantastic. Maybe it's because I ride a bike 200 miles a week.
God Is My Co-Pirate: Unlike those who go on drinking in denial, people who put down the booze are facing up to their demons and living life without anaesthetic.1. Most of us drink because we like the taste, not because we feel compelled to.2. Most of are capable of distinguishing between a relaxed buzz and blackout drunk, and regulating ourselves accordingly.3. If you're going to take a month off drinking, for God's sake, pick a better month than January - the darkest, coldest, most depressing month of the year.
teenage mutant ninja rapist: bborchar: I drink maybe once every two months. Don't like the taste of alcohol, so that pretty much seals it for me.Dont like the taste? Nobody likes the damn taste. Have you ever seen a person do a shot of tequila and say "my thats lovely, tastes like happy" I didnt think so.
The One True TheDavid: Okay, I hear you. I do tend to judge everything by my own standards, including drinking, which can be kinda like a Ward Cleaver type talking about "family" as if his kind were the only one. And maybe I just haven't known too many drinkers with "serious problems": I can think of one or two, but even they could moderate when they had to. Till the ankle bracelet got taken off, for example.(It's the junkies I'd call helpless, like this guy I grew up with: the guys at the firehouse a mile away got used to being called to his house for Narcan for him or one of his banging buddies, and he died a few years back when there was nobody to call 911.)And it's not like I can swear that I'm not an alcoholic. E.g., it may be that it'd be hard for me to give it up; I certainly have no plans to try nor will I ever move to a dry county. It's just that the Official Portrait doesn't fit me: "if that's a devil then I'm the virgin Mary."It may be true that I'm somehow blessed with "being able to put the plug in the jug." And that I'm an asshole. It's not like I have to work at either. If I deserve any credit for anything it's for not getting so defensive about whatever that I don't think straight (e.g., there a probably dozens of Jehovah's Witnesses around here that don't knock on my door when I'm trying to shiat), which obviously I failed to do upthread.So please accept my apologies.
cryinoutloud: I still have a particular weakness for alcoholic men. The functional ones are like catnip to me.
jaylectricity replieth unto me:My god, you come off as insufferable here.Only here?Dammit. I'm slipping.Chafed Willi: And for the love of god, go to a farking doctor before you quit cold turkey if you're a heavy drinker.
Pangea: Do you drink because you like the taste, or in order to get you through darkness, coldness, and depression?
jaylectricity: ladyfortuna: I do hate wasting half a beer on occasion though. Craft stuff is expensive.How expensive is it really? Even at $20 for a 4-pack of 12oz bottles comes to less than 50 cents per oz. So you might waste $2.50 on a rare occasion? And you helped create demand on the market. There is that much less on the market because you may have to buy more earlier.OK, I should put down the bong.
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