OnlyM3 [TotalFark]2014-01-06 08:01:43 PMMugato [TotalFark]2014-01-06 07:32:33 PMOnlyM3: We point to The predictions by the congregation of Global warming claiming:You could point to a lunatic fringe on any subject that says anything. If you want to ignore the scientific community for whatever your personal or financial reasons might be, go ahead but point to some random idiot statements and you look rather silly.You consider the father of the G.W. church a lunatic fringe? Interesting position for one of the believers to hold. You followers said algore's film was accurate. You're changing your tune now and calling him a lunatic fringe? Put that goal post back where you found it sir.
T.rex: how you like dem apples?
OnlyM3: You consider the father of the G.W. church
DemonEater>>> OnlyM3: ** Snow would be non existent and just a story young children would read about>>> in books. (Reality: Most of the US tonight can look out their window and see the church>>> was wrong.)Strawman. This claim has never ever been made seriously by any climatologist and you should feel bad.
MechaPyx: The Earth's climate fluctuates over time. Fact. How do I know this?Ice ages motherfarkers.The ONLY question is how much of an affect we have on it.
falkone32: MarkEC:You are wrong in your assumption that they don't play both sides of the field.He never made that claim. But, since you brought it up so suspiciously (i.e. without prompting and mis-attributing it to someone else), do you have any evidence that they fund climate science and not just climate denier groups?When alternative energy becomes viable, companies like Exxon Mobil will be making their profits there.And if they could, they would already be doing it. But they're not. Why wouldn't Exxon be concerned about switching to a different market with different competitors where all of their long-established advantages (infrastructure, agreements, etc.) are no longer as useful?
OnlyM3: DemonEater>>> OnlyM3: ** Snow would be non existent and just a story young children would read about>>> in books. (Reality: Most of the US tonight can look out their window and see the church>>> was wrong.)Strawman. This claim has never ever been made seriously by any climatologist and you should feel bad. You g.w. clowns really need to know your church leadership better. You're like those amusing polls done from time to time that show people don't know the contents of the Bible.Allow me to enlighten you.Dr David VinerMott MacDonald has appointed Dr David Viner as principal advisor for climate change. An internationally recognised expert, David brings with him 20 years of experience working in the area of climate change.David worked for 17 years at the University of East Anglia's (UEA) Climatic Research Unit, where he developed a worldwide reputation working across all areas of climate change. He led UK public engagement on climate change adaptation and advised both the UK government and international agencies. During this time he was also director of the UEA's innovative climate change masters course.In 2007 David took up a new position as Natural England's principal climate change specialist where he developed an adaptation framework and indicators for climate change. In 2008 David was appointed global director at The British Council where he developed a ground breaking cultural relations strategy and programme that was delivered through 250 offices in 109 countries. Working across UK government departments and in collaboration with international agencies, businesses and national governments, the programme was publicly endorsed by the UK government, the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change and other leading agencies.Sounds like a serious climatologist type.According to Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia,within a few years win ...
T.rex: i believe the earth is warming, but i don't care. how you like dem apples?
OnlyM3: Global warming nuts have been making kooky predictions
Cyber_Junk: Now please come up with a good reason why the vast majority of climate scientists believe that global warming is real.
OnlyM3: Reality: Most of the US tonight can look out their window and see the church was wrong.
OnlyM3: According to Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia,within a few years winter snowfall will become "a very rare and exciting event".
Ishkur: Mugato: People only question science when it's based on their own interests.I always found it amusing that people will second guess scientists when it comes to climate or evolution, but they have full, absolute, unconditional trust in medical science when they go to their doctor.
MrSteve007 [TotalFark]2014-01-06 07:59:28 PMOnlyM3: Tell you what. I'll give you a shot at convincing me. Don't show me predictions for the future that can *cough*will*cough* be wrong, show me the predictions those clowns got right.There have been a good number published studies over the past couple years that predict as the arctic warms, we will begin to experiencing larger effects from "polar amplification" and wider oscillation of the jet stream. This brings into effect a "blocking weather pattern," which depending on the time of the year will cause extreme cold snaps in the winter or extremely dry, hot droughts in the summer.http://www.climatecentral.org/news/arctic-warming-is-altering-weathe r- patterns-study-showsIf you haven't noticed, the Southwest part of the USA is just had the driest year on record,
OnlyM3: Tell you what. I'll give you a shot at convincing me. Don't show me predictions for the future that can *cough*will*cough* be wrong, show me the predictions those clowns got right.
Jon Snow: Increase in absorption of OLR in the H2O, CO2, CH4, etc. wavelengths.Failure of OLR to increase proportionately with increased SSTs.Increase in global ocean heat content.Increase in tropopause height.Cooling of the stratosphere.Contraction of the upper atmosphere.Expansion of the topics.Amplification of Arctic warming relative to the lower latitudes.I can go on and on.Let's see how honest you are about being convincible.What more do you need?
Jon Snow2014-01-06 08:34:41 PMYou quoted this in the context of the US:OnlyM3: Reality: Most of the US tonight can look out their window and see the church was wrong.OnlyM3: According to Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia,within a few years winter snowfall will become "a very rare and exciting event".But in reality, the quote was about less frequent snowfall in the UK
OnlyM3: Once again you move the goal post.
OnlyM3: You calm nobody ever made the claim
OnlyM3: now you try to backpedal.
Jon Snow: OnlyM3: Once again you move the goal post.Huh?OnlyM3: You calm nobody ever made the claimWhen exactly did I do that?I said it was never a consensus prediction of the scientific community, I never said "nobody ever made the claim".OnlyM3: now you try to backpedal.How exactly am I backpedaling?
OnlyM3: Gotcha, so let me see if I have this correct. Quoting over 2,000 record low temperatures last year is "cherry picking" and Weather (not climate), yet quoting a single dry season is hard science.
jigger: 0100010: jigger: BP was a founding member of United States Climate Action Partnership. It doesn't look like they're still a member, but Shell is.Greenpeace doesn't shy away from millions in donations, even when they come drenched in oil death. http://nofrakkingconsensus.blogspot.com/2010/06/bp-greenpeace-big-oil - jackpot.htmlhttp://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/1121-04.htmExxon donated $100 million to Stanford to study global warming and the like. Surely no one that received this funding does any sort of activism with it.Did you even read the articles you linked? The first article never mentioned Greenpeace receiving money from oil companies. It was harping on Greenpeace's lack of commentary about organizations that have.In the second, the money donated to Stanford was to fund research into greener fuel alternatives. It isn't for climatology research at all. Here, let me give you a quickie to speed things along:FTFA:Exxon Mobil, whose pledge of $100 million makes it the biggest of the four contributors, issued a statement saying new techniques for producing energy while reducing emissions of heat-trapping greenhouse gases were "vital to meeting energy needs in the industrialized and developing world."Ah, I had a shiatload of tabs open. Greenpeace receives Rockefeller oil money once removed: http://philsreport.blogspot.com/2013/10/big-green-oil-money-wwf-found e d-and-run.htmlSo you don't consider funding alternative energy to be part of the equation? Exxon wants nothing more than to beat down anyone who would challenge the supremacy of fossil fuels in energy production. Right?
Fireproof: Well, considering the anti-vaxxers...
06Wahoo: You mean kind of like how global warming believers point to hurricanes as evidence?
Ishkur: while AGW deniers tend to be libertarians and/or pro-industry big business capitalists or Republicans who just hate hippies. But anti-vaxxers tend to be left-wing followers of bullshiat eastern philosophies, crappy new age diets and alternative lifestyles (which means alternative medicine).
06Wahoo: You mean kind of like how global warming believers point to hurricanes as evidence? Face it, both sides do it, only those who believe it continue to deny that they tend to pick and choose (and often not use science) what they look at to make their (weak) point.
Jon Snow: Ishkur: while AGW deniers tend to be libertarians and/or pro-industry big business capitalists or Republicans who just hate hippies. But anti-vaxxers tend to be left-wing followers of bullshiat eastern philosophies, crappy new age diets and alternative lifestyles (which means alternative medicine).There is a fairly large chunk of the antivaxx movement that is of the libertarian, RON PAUL, FEMA death camps, 9/11 truther persuasion.In fact, outside of the US, the antivaxx movement is pretty evenly distributed. I don't know if there has been a polling done within the US on that as well, however.
jigger: ScaryBottles: jigger: ScaryBottles: jigger: Is this coldness particularly unusual? Doesn't it normally get cold like this up there in Canada and around the Great Lakes from time to time?Anybody else know what this booger eater is talking about?
Jon Snow: There is a fairly large chunk of the antivaxx movement that is of the libertarian, RON PAUL, FEMA death camps, 9/11 truther persuasion.
HoustonNick: Global warming scientists explain why they BELIEVE the non-global warming scientists are wrong. Neither side had proven their beliefs 100% and there is evidence for and against each side.
Mugato: What is it about climate change that it's the one scientific theory that a certain portion of the population refuse to believe? It can't be based on personal interests, certainly.
Bob The Nob: Why can't this change be due to just, you know, change? Can it be proven that the climate isn't just evolving on its own? Aren't we coming out of an ice age, thus making "warming" a given?
RexTalionis: God made the world perfect, so the world can't possibly change by any actions of man
OnlyM3: Of course it is. My glasses of hot water have the same pesky problem of icing over.
Andric: OnlyM3: Of course it is. My glasses of hot water have the same pesky problem of icing over.Hello retard. Did you know that "warm" and "cool" and their verb forms are relative references to temperature? That object A can be warmer than object B, and that both can still be frozen?No. Because you're a retard.
voltOhm: I think recent events supported by facts....specifically the hilarious climate change expedition to document the "disappearing sea ice" - which ISN'T. Kinda trumps the pseudo science.
whcrow: RULE 5: "Ridicule is man's most potent weapon." There is no defense. It's irrational. It's infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions. - Saul Alinsky RAND PAUL
steamingpile: What climate change people never answer is the axis shift theory which means the earths axis shifts and man has zero control over it which is scarier than man causing if.
Jon Snow: What exactly do you want to know?
rewind2846: Bob The Nob: Why can't this change be due to just, you know, change? Can it be proven that the climate isn't just evolving on its own? Aren't we coming out of an ice age, thus making "warming" a given?Because at no time in history has this "change" occurred this rapidly. Normal climate change has happened before, but on the order of thousands, tens of thousands or even millions of years.What's happening now can be traced directly back to the beginning of the industrial revolution, or about the time of the American civil war.That was less than 170 years ago. Nothing evolves that quickly.
Ishkur: These three groups can overlap but usually don't. The one common thing they have is that they all accept everything science claims unconditionally EXCEPT when science claims something that threatens their way of life (then science is wrong, but only about this one thing).
whcrow: RULE 5: "Ridicule is man's most potent weapon." There is no defense. It's irrational. It's infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions. - Saul Alinsky
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