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(Slate)   A child who grew up unvaccinated because of her parents' hippy lifestyle recalls how much of her youth she spent sick. She doesn't have autism now, though, so there's that   (slate.com) divider line 227
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2014-01-06 01:25:38 PM  

kvinesknows: and even with all that nurturing by her loving parents... she is still a  slut.

in her 20s.. two kids under 7 AND catches HPV?

close your farkin legs.


About 75%+ Americans will be infected by HPV at some point in their lives*. Perhaps you're just frigid?

*For most people it's A-symptomatic however.
 
2014-01-06 01:27:22 PM  

mbillips: mediablitz: I was brought up on an incredibly healthy diet: no sugar till I was 1, breastfed for over a year, organic homegrown vegetables, raw milk, no MSG, no additives, no aspartame

There is nothing healthy about giving children raw milk.

There's nothing unhealthy about it, as long as you get it straight from a hand-milked cow that sees the vet regularly, refrigerate it immediately, and drink it within a week (or buy it from someone who does all that). Pasteurization is required because of the way commercially produced milk is gathered, transported and stored. Bad germs lurk in milking machines, not in a tin bucket that you wash in hot water and detergent before every use.

/Grew up on raw milk because we had a milk cow.
//Pasteurization is generally a good idea, but it destroys some vitamins, minerals and beneficial bacteria in the milk.
///Would never buy raw milk from strangers.


In Newfoundland we met a lady selling raw milk to her neighbours in 2L soda bottles... I really hope her cows were pampered.
 
2014-01-06 01:27:37 PM  
maddermaxx:
About 75%+ Americans will be infected by HPV at some point in their lives*. Perhaps you're just frigid?

*For most people it's A-symptomatic however.


The other 25% use Mac or Linux, so they're safe.
 
2014-01-06 01:27:37 PM  
So, the UHT. Does it do less damage to the milk than heating does? Personally, I want everything I eat to be irradiated; the miniscule increase in the amount of radioactivity I'd be exposed to would be WAY offset by the lowered chance of food poisoning (plus, my lettuce wouldn't rot so fast).
 
2014-01-06 01:28:07 PM  

meow said the dog: LAUGHTER OL


I thought you retired this character?
 
2014-01-06 01:28:37 PM  

netcentric: Why Would I Read the Article: There are children who grew up for thousands of years without vaccinations and did just fine.  Overall, it's pretty clear that vaccinations are better than no vaccinations, but even when we did blatantly stupid things like bloodletting, the human race managed to survive just fine.


Actually..... no they didn't do fine.   Not at all.    A hundred or two hundred years ago people had very large families of 8-12 kids and were lucky if 4 made it to 20 years old.

When various diseases cruised through a region.... people died in droves.     Especially the children.


This.

For the fun of it, I looked up the numbers:

In the upper-class areas Liverpool England, 1899, 136 newborns out of 1000 would die before they reached the age of one. Working class districts maintained a rate of 274 infant deaths per 1000 births, and impoverished slums had a horrifying 509 infant deaths per 1000. Even as these rates improve towards the end of the Victorian Age, infant mortality remained at over ten times the current rates in industrialized nations. Alexander Finlaison reported that one half of all children of farmers, laborers, artisans, and servants dies before reaching their fifth birthday, compared to one in eleven children of the land owning gentry. (Mitchell, Victorian Britain 142) Children suffered from multiple influenza outbreaks, diphtheria, scarlet fever, measles, whooping cough, polio, tetanus, and typhoid. Merely keeping sanitary was difficult until the later ages of piped water. This combined with the lack of vaccinations for diseases produced an extremely high infant mortality rate in all classes. (Mitchell, Daily Life 192)
 
2014-01-06 01:29:26 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: "The roommate of me"? Is English your second language, or are you a bot?


Long time gimmick/alt account.
 
2014-01-06 01:30:09 PM  

sigdiamond2000: meow said the dog: the syndrome of the restful legs


I say them open for  System of a Down back in ought 2.
I thought they would get the place bouncing.
but they just kinda sat there.
 
2014-01-06 01:31:00 PM  

No Such Agency: mbillips: mediablitz: I was brought up on an incredibly healthy diet: no sugar till I was 1, breastfed for over a year, organic homegrown vegetables, raw milk, no MSG, no additives, no aspartame

There is nothing healthy about giving children raw milk.

There's nothing unhealthy about it, as long as you get it straight from a hand-milked cow that sees the vet regularly, refrigerate it immediately, and drink it within a week (or buy it from someone who does all that). Pasteurization is required because of the way commercially produced milk is gathered, transported and stored. Bad germs lurk in milking machines, not in a tin bucket that you wash in hot water and detergent before every use.

/Grew up on raw milk because we had a milk cow.
//Pasteurization is generally a good idea, but it destroys some vitamins, minerals and beneficial bacteria in the milk.
///Would never buy raw milk from strangers.

In Newfoundland we met a lady selling raw milk to her neighbours in 2L soda bottles... I really hope her cows were pampered.


We sold it to friends and neighbors in glass gallon jars. You pretty much have to either sell it or throw it out; even a Jersey cow produces a couple gallons of milk and a half gallon of cream every day. Holsteins, fuhgeddaboudit.
 
2014-01-06 01:31:45 PM  
stuhayes2010

You should inform France and Germany where most milk is raw. Two whole modern countries need your knowledge.


As a German: "LOL WUT?"
I would be very surprised to find milk which hasn't been pasteurized in our grocery stores

The only raw milk I might have ever gotten was when the farmer next to my parent's vacation cottage still had milk cows - think 30-40 yards from parents' front door to the neighbor's stable door, so we got our fresh milk by leaving an empty milk bottle with a coin next to their milking machine and then strolling over in the evening when we couldn't hear the humming of the machine anymore.
 
2014-01-06 01:31:58 PM  

meow said the dog: LAUGHTER OL I have the hatred of those who have desire for causing the disease who you might call the anti vaccinationists but let me tell you this. I do not believe this person. She is saying that she had the contraction of all of these diseases. This is the feces which has removal when impacted in the bull. She did not have these things.

The roommate of me is the bigger person who has laziness and constantly does the blaming on the disorder of the thyroid of she or of Lyme disease or fibrous my algae or the syndrome of the restful legs. Perhaps instead she should just do the exercising. The point of this is not to do the disparagement of the roommate of me because as you all know I try to see these things as the neutral person. No the point of this is to say that I believe someone did some disagnostics of the self of she. She is the anti-thesis of the Jennifer M. McCarthiasm. They both are the idiots.


Meow, I love you.

though my spagettio-lodged wisdom tooth sockets aren't too happy with the laughter induced by your posts.
 
2014-01-06 01:32:12 PM  

kvinesknows: AND catches HPV


Approximately 1/4 of the U.S. population has some form of HPV at any given point in time and approximately 3/4 of all sexually active people will contract one type of HPV or another at least once in their life.

As for the kids, interesting judgement. In her 20s with two kids under 7 could easily mean she had twins at 23. Or two children starting at 21 or 22. Certainly not unusual by historical standards by any stretch of the imagination and not unusual even by modern, later-child-birthing standards.

Your smug sense of superiority is supported exclusively by your ignorance. How utterly pathetic.
 
2014-01-06 01:33:16 PM  
I was brought up on an incredibly healthy diet:no sugar till I was 1, breastfed for over a year, organic homegrown vegetables, raw milk, ...

Annnnndd I nearly stopped reading there.  If you were drinking raw milk you were NOT on an incredibly healthy diet.

stuhayes2010: mediablitz: I was brought up on an incredibly healthy diet: no sugar till I was 1, breastfed for over a year, organic homegrown vegetables, raw milk, no MSG, no additives, no aspartame

There is nothing healthy about giving children raw milk.

You should inform France and Germany where most milk is raw.  Two whole modern countries need your knowledge.


Guys, keep in mind stu here also believes wifi networks cause cancer.  He's either insane or a troll.
 
2014-01-06 01:33:38 PM  
I'd like to see the argument between a "raw milk" nut and a "drinking milk is unnatural" nut.

There's nothing I'm more grateful for than living in an age and country where we have good drugs, effective vaccines, and plentiful safe food. Also having a job that provides excellent healthcare since I can't rely on being able to just go to a doctor because "socialism and terrorists" or something.
 
2014-01-06 01:34:58 PM  

mbillips: So, the UHT. Does it do less damage to the milk than heating does? Personally, I want everything I eat to be irradiated; the miniscule increase in the amount of radioactivity I'd be exposed to would be WAY offset by the lowered chance of food poisoning (plus, my lettuce wouldn't rot so fast).


UHT stands for Ultra High Temperature processing, so.. your question doesn't really make sense. Irradiated is cool, but being too "Clean" could leave your immune system a bit vulnerable if done for too long/from childhood.
 
2014-01-06 01:36:45 PM  
Is there a vaccine against stoopidity yet?... or does it cause Autism too?
 
2014-01-06 01:37:05 PM  
I don't see any pics of this Amy Parker person. She sounds fat.
 
2014-01-06 01:39:05 PM  

The Voice of Doom: As a German: "LOL WUT?"
I would be very surprised to find milk which hasn't been pasteurized in our grocery stores


LAUGHTER OL how does one who is the speaker of the German language say owned because stuhayes2010 just had this occurrence!
 
2014-01-06 01:39:07 PM  

mbillips: Jealous? BTW, nearly everyone who has ever had sex is infected with HPV. Most of us are asymptomatic, but you generally catch it first time out of the box (so to speak).


The vaccine is only suggested for youngsters, so the older folk can't get vaccinated to prevent it.
 
2014-01-06 01:39:56 PM  

maddermaxx: mbillips: So, the UHT. Does it do less damage to the milk than heating does? Personally, I want everything I eat to be irradiated; the miniscule increase in the amount of radioactivity I'd be exposed to would be WAY offset by the lowered chance of food poisoning (plus, my lettuce wouldn't rot so fast).

UHT stands for Ultra High Temperature processing, so.. your question doesn't really make sense. Irradiated is cool, but being too "Clean" could leave your immune system a bit vulnerable if done for too long/from childhood.


UHT does change the taste of dairy. The biggest advantage is that UHT treated milk lasts longer and doesn't need to be refrigerated.
 
2014-01-06 01:40:09 PM  

Why Would I Read the Article: There are children who grew up for thousands of years without vaccinations and did just fine.  Overall, it's pretty clear that vaccinations are better than no vaccinations, but even when we did blatantly stupid things like bloodletting, the human race managed to survive just fine.

And Jenny McCarthy killed more kittens with her 1996 playboy spread than she killed children with her vaccinations nonsense.  Won't anybody please think of the kittens?


1/10

The bloodletting comment was a dead giveaway.
 
2014-01-06 01:41:51 PM  

maddermaxx: mbillips: So, the UHT. Does it do less damage to the milk than heating does? Personally, I want everything I eat to be irradiated; the miniscule increase in the amount of radioactivity I'd be exposed to would be WAY offset by the lowered chance of food poisoning (plus, my lettuce wouldn't rot so fast).

UHT stands for Ultra High Temperature processing, so.. your question doesn't really make sense. Irradiated is cool, but being too "Clean" could leave your immune system a bit vulnerable if done for too long/from childhood.


Oh, my bad. I thought it was the microwave zapping stuff.
 
2014-01-06 01:43:31 PM  
It isn't only hippies who are anti-vax. [ex-hippie here. kids,self, and wife were vaccinated for anything. Even mopery.]   In fact, hippiness doesn't have anything to do with the attitude.

It's paranoia.  Which, iirc, is an equal opportunity, pan-politics, condition.
 
2014-01-06 01:43:37 PM  

mbillips: So, the UHT. Does it do less damage to the milk than heating does? Personally, I want everything I eat to be irradiated; the miniscule increase in the amount of radioactivity I'd be exposed to would be WAY offset by the lowered chance of food poisoning (plus, my lettuce wouldn't rot so fast).


??!!

There's no radiation. UHT is heated at an above-boiling temperature for just a couple of seconds (versus the regular pasteurization used here in the US, which is sub-boiling for a longer period of time)

UHT kills everything in the milk, which is why it's shelf-stable for a long time instead of needing to be stored chilled. I don't know if I'd want to drink the stuff. It's the way they do it in Europe I guess. Not popular in the US but it can be found.

Don't drink raw milk. It's full of poop bacteria, because cows poop a lot and get poop everywhere. They are disgustingly filthy animals, and they can get gruesome diseases. If you want healthy bacteria in your milk buy yogurt instead. That's why they make it.

(Source: I grew up on a dairy farm where we regularly received awards from our dairy for the high quality and low bacteria count of our milk. Despite this, we had a home pasteurizer through which all milk for the house was ran. We were never allowed to drink the raw milk. We knew where it came from.)
 
2014-01-06 01:45:13 PM  

mbillips: So, the UHT. Does it do less damage to the milk than heating does? Personally, I want everything I eat to be irradiated; the miniscule increase in the amount of radioactivity I'd be exposed to would be WAY offset by the lowered chance of food poisoning (plus, my lettuce wouldn't rot so fast).


UHT = Ultra-High-Temperature.

You might want to rephrase your question.
 
2014-01-06 01:45:51 PM  
LOL.  just look at all the sluts coming out of the closet to defend this woman.
 
2014-01-06 01:48:06 PM  

Why Would I Read the Article: There are children who grew up for thousands of years without vaccinations and did just fine.  Overall, it's pretty clear that vaccinations are better than no vaccinations, but even when we did blatantly stupid things like bloodletting, the human race managed to survive just fine.

And Jenny McCarthy killed more kittens with her 1996 playboy spread than she killed children with her vaccinations nonsense.  Won't anybody please think of the kittens?


You're either an excellent troll, or a criminally stupid human being.  Either one makes you little more than yak excrement.
 
2014-01-06 01:49:28 PM  
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2014-01-06 01:49:33 PM  
~~It was only when I took control of those paranoid thoughts and fears about the world around me and became an objective critical thinker that I got well

^This
 
2014-01-06 01:49:34 PM  

Why Would I Read the Article: There are children who grew up for thousands of years without vaccinations and did just fine.  Overall, it's pretty clear that vaccinations are better than no vaccinations, but even when we did blatantly stupid things like bloodletting, the human race managed to survive just fine.

And Jenny McCarthy killed more kittens with her 1996 playboy spread than she killed children with her vaccinations nonsense.  Won't anybody please think of the kittens?


Its not about the survival of the human race its about it thriving.
 
2014-01-06 01:49:37 PM  

dynomutt: Bullshiat. Raw milk is a living food.


Chock full of that ever important and wholesome élan vital, amirite?

Pasteurized milk is just cow piss.

Actually, if we wanted to be really accurate, it would be cow sweat.
 
2014-01-06 01:50:26 PM  

Why Would I Read the Article: There are children who grew up for thousands of years without vaccinations and did just fine.  Overall, it's pretty clear that vaccinations are better than no vaccinations, but even when we did blatantly stupid things like bloodletting, the human race managed to survive just fine.

And Jenny McCarthy killed more kittens with her 1996 playboy spread than she killed children with her vaccinations nonsense.  Won't anybody please think of the kittens?


You're right. Why evolve? We were doing just fine before. Don't strive for anything better. Settle for mediocrity.
 
2014-01-06 01:51:03 PM  

Why Would I Read the Article: There are children who grew up for thousands of years without vaccinations and did just fine.  Overall, it's pretty clear that vaccinations are better than no vaccinations, but even when we did blatantly stupid things like bloodletting, the human race managed to survive just fine.


If your definition of "just fine" includes having lots of children so at least some of them make it to adulthood then you are correct.
 
2014-01-06 01:51:34 PM  

kvinesknows: LOL.  just look at all the sluts coming out of the closet to defend this woman.


I've trolled this site for years, and you have much to learn young Padawan. Now go and meditate on this, and come back when you can seize an outraged reaction from midair with your chopsticks.
 
2014-01-06 01:52:24 PM  

kvinesknows: LOL.  just look at all the sluts coming out of the closet to defend this woman.


1/10

/I can appreciate the desire to troll a thread like this but this is the best you could come up with? Really?
 
2014-01-06 01:55:19 PM  

Why Would I Read the Article: There are children who grew up for thousands of years without vaccinations and did just fine.  Overall, it's pretty clear that vaccinations are better than no vaccinations, but even when we did blatantly stupid things like bloodletting, the human race managed to survive just fine.

And Jenny McCarthy killed more kittens with her 1996 playboy spread than she killed children with her vaccinations nonsense.


Really? Do you mean that many people who saw her spread became uncontrollably aroused and had intercourse with the only handy, you know, thing -- a kitten, as it turned out -- and killed them by accident?  Because I can assure you nothing like that happened to me.
 
2014-01-06 01:55:40 PM  
pdieten:

Don't drink raw milk. It's full of poop bacteria, because cows poop a lot and get poop everywhere. They are disgustingly filthy animals, and they can get gruesome diseases.

The biggest danger from raw milk isn't from e coli. It's from tuberculosis.

But herds and final products can be tested. Milking machines and udders can be sterilized.
 
2014-01-06 01:55:40 PM  

No Such Agency: I've trolled this site for years, and you have much to learn young Padawan. Now go and meditate on this, and come back when you can seize an outraged reaction from midair with your chopsticks.


His first run wasn't terrible, he got some bites.  This most recent try was pretty awful, though.
 
2014-01-06 01:55:52 PM  

stuhayes2010: You should inform France and Germany where most milk is raw. Two whole modern countries need your knowledge.


Certainly not the case in Germany, the vast majority of milk is pasteurised and there are onerous health requirements on the producers of raw milk.
 
2014-01-06 01:56:18 PM  

Voiceofreason01: kvinesknows: LOL.  just look at all the sluts coming out of the closet to defend this woman.

1/10

/I can appreciate the desire to troll a thread like this but this is the best you could come up with? Really?


pfft... the initial post got 3 bites... :P
 
2014-01-06 01:56:40 PM  

rustypouch: Most liquid mild in France sold in grocery stores is UHT pasteurized, sitting at room temperature in tetra paks (or the European equivalent).


Uh, the European equivalent of Tetra Pak is... Tetra Pak.

Swedish company.
 
2014-01-06 01:58:03 PM  

pdieten: mbillips: So, the UHT. Does it do less damage to the milk than heating does? Personally, I want everything I eat to be irradiated; the miniscule increase in the amount of radioactivity I'd be exposed to would be WAY offset by the lowered chance of food poisoning (plus, my lettuce wouldn't rot so fast).

??!!

There's no radiation. UHT is heated at an above-boiling temperature for just a couple of seconds (versus the regular pasteurization used here in the US, which is sub-boiling for a longer period of time)

UHT kills everything in the milk, which is why it's shelf-stable for a long time instead of needing to be stored chilled. I don't know if I'd want to drink the stuff. It's the way they do it in Europe I guess. Not popular in the US but it can be found.

Don't drink raw milk. It's full of poop bacteria, because cows poop a lot and get poop everywhere. They are disgustingly filthy animals, and they can get gruesome diseases. If you want healthy bacteria in your milk buy yogurt instead. That's why they make it.

(Source: I grew up on a dairy farm where we regularly received awards from our dairy for the high quality and low bacteria count of our milk. Despite this, we had a home pasteurizer through which all milk for the house was ran. We were never allowed to drink the raw milk. We knew where it came from.)


Commercial dairy cows are filthy, constantly wading around in muck and poop, but our milk cow lived in a large, grassy field with a handful of horses, goats, pigs and beef cattle, and was brought into a milking stall with a floor covered in straw. She wasn't visibly dirty, and we always washed off her udder with hot, soapy water before we milked her. And we filtered it through cheesecloth before putting it in the fridge (mostly to get the hair out). Drinking that milk wasn't any riskier than breast feeding (people have fecal coliform bacteria all over their skin, too).

Germaphobes aren't much more rational than anti-vaxxers. You've got an immune system for a reason. Food poisoning is almost always the result of spoilage, not exposure to a few bacteria that aren't allowed to multiply. You get listeria in milk because it's very difficult to completely sterilize a milking machine, not from a microscopic fragment of cow poop.
 
2014-01-06 01:59:43 PM  

The Envoy: mediablitz: I was brought up on an incredibly healthy diet: no sugar till I was 1, breastfed for over a year, organic homegrown vegetables, raw milk, no MSG, no additives, no aspartame

There is nothing healthy about giving children raw milk.

THIS.  My wife is friends with a couple who give their little boy raw milk and also, get this, raw liver.  farking new-age tossers, the pair of them.


Raw liver.

Your wife's friends are going to be burying their child if they keep that up.
 
2014-01-06 01:59:51 PM  

kvinesknows: Voiceofreason01: kvinesknows: LOL.  just look at all the sluts coming out of the closet to defend this woman.

1/10

/I can appreciate the desire to troll a thread like this but this is the best you could come up with? Really?

pfft... the initial post got 3 bites... :P


Fair enough but this one just made me feel bad for you....I assume that's not what you're going for?
 
2014-01-06 01:59:52 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-01-06 02:00:52 PM  

Millennium: dynomutt: Bullshiat. Raw milk is a living food.

Chock full of that ever important and wholesome élan vital, amirite?

Pasteurized milk is just cow piss.

Actually, if we wanted to be really accurate, it would be cow sweat.


No, it's milk, heated and cooled. FYI all the fluid in milk comes from blood plasma, so, if you drink any milk at all you're drinking blood.
 
2014-01-06 02:01:31 PM  
You'd think all the medical marijuana (for preventative purposes, of course) would have helped.
 
2014-01-06 02:06:40 PM  
Voiceofreason01:
UHT does change the taste of dairy. The biggest advantage is that UHT treated milk lasts longer and doesn't need to be refrigerated.

They even upped the temps on regular pasteurization, so most "normal" non-UHT milk tastes a little burned now.
 
2014-01-06 02:07:43 PM  
You f*cking hippies crack me up.
 
2014-01-06 02:09:21 PM  
mbillips:  people before modern medicine used to refer to the world as "this veil of tears."

Vale.   Vale of tears.
 
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