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(ABC)   Profiles in cowardice: The Memoir of the CIA lawyer who could have stopped water-boarding and torture of terror suspects with the stroke of a pen, but chose not barbecue he might be blamed if something bad happened afterwards   (abcnews.go.com) divider line 33
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2014-01-06 01:05:29 PM
7 votes:
To BBQ, or not to BBQ, that is the question-
Whether 'tis Nobler in the mind to suffer
The Waterboarding and Tortures of outrageous Fortune,
Or to take a Grill against a Sea of troubles,
And by opposing feed them? To feed, to hunger -
No more; and by a meal, to say we end
The Stomach-ache, and the thousand Natural sauces and spices
That Delicious Flesh is heir to? 'Tis a consummation
Devoutly to be wished. To feed, to eat,
To eat, perchance to Dream; Aye, there's the dry rub,
For in that post-Meal nap, what dreams may come,
When we have unbuckled off this mortal belt,
Must give us pause.
2014-01-06 01:05:04 PM
6 votes:
So he just let them go on grilling suspects without any kind of oversight?

Not to rib the guy, but baby, back in the day, you would do what needed to be done and shoulder the consequences. Sometimes you have to consider what might happen but brisket anyway. Sooner or later, someone will find the sauce of the leak, butt

Maillard may not matter in the end, if you did the right thing.
2014-01-06 01:00:35 PM
6 votes:
This thread didn't stand a chance.
2014-01-06 10:26:11 AM
6 votes:
helped to turn the US into just another torturing regime.
2014-01-06 10:47:14 AM
5 votes:
barbeque is always the right choice.
2014-01-06 02:11:32 PM
3 votes:
I attended an informal discussion of this very subject with Mr. Rizzo shortly after he retired from the CIA.  He retired in October 2009 (Per TFA) and the discussion occurred in late November 2009.  He is very good friends with the U.S. District Court Judge that taught my Evidence class in law school.  Mr. Rizzo was in town for another gathering and spent one class period speaking with us.  One of the students asked him about his role in the CIA's approval of Enhanced Interrogation techniques.  He was surprisingly candid about the entire subject.  I fully expected him to claim that the information was classified, but he spoke pretty freely about the matter.

When the CIA operatives asked him about using EITs, he had no idea what they intended.  After he was informed on what methods the operatives planned to use and the reasons for doing so, he initial reaction was "Absolutely not!"  But as part of his due diligence he submitted the question to the Justice Department.  He expected the Justice Department to return an answer of "No" as well.  However, that is not the answer he received.  The rest is kind of history at this point.

One of the students asked him if he had any regrets about his role in the affair.  He said it bothered him how blown out of proportion the whole thing ended up becoming.  By the time he was talking with the class, the public viewpoint was that every enemy combatant that was captured was subjected to EIT.  That was not the case at all.  He explained, the operatives used regular interrogation techniques on anybody that the operatives thought could provide useful information.  However, there were about half a dozen detainees that the operatives knew where higher up the chain of command and knew valuable information about future attacks.  Those detainees had also received training in Interrogation tactics and thus the normal tactics did not crack those few detainees.  That is why the operatives asked if other methods could be used.  He regretted that, while the EITs were used, it was against a specific set of detainees for very specific reasons and he did not like how everything else the CIA did became clouded by the public viewpoint that the CIA was just going around torturing everybody.  Incidentally, he also mentioned that the EITs were successful in pulling information that helped to stop future attacks, although he could not discuss those details.

His only other regret was that he trusted politicians to not be politicians.  He explained that after the Justice Department gave the green light to the CIA, every member of Congress and the Administration that needed to know were told what was going to happen.  They all signed off on it.  Part of that green light was that the CIA personnel would not be held responsible if the information about the EITs ever became public.  But as you are well aware, the information did go public and it had a huge backlash.  Then as politicians always do, they switched sides.  He was angry that certain members of Congress, after the information became public, claimed that they had no knowledge of it and if they did they would have stopped it.  He said, they all knew and they all gave it approval.  But now it was politically convenient to throw the CIA under the bus.

All in all, it was an interesting discussion.

\csb
2014-01-06 01:09:42 PM
3 votes:
When grilling a suspect you think might have juicy information, it may be necessary to hit him on the back, ribs, or face. Smoking these details out may even require you to flay him. In the old days they'd use the rack, or tie someone to the stake. I don't see why people get so burned about torture. Spit your legalese at me if you must, although I find it rather dry. Rub the tears from your eyes and quit crying about it.
2014-01-06 01:02:57 PM
3 votes:
epic! mods-please do not fix the headline.
2014-01-06 11:01:57 AM
3 votes:
always preview before submitting, barbecue you could end up with a silly or nonsensical headline.
2014-01-06 01:56:07 PM
2 votes:
Dear John Rizzo,
I hope that the specter of the innocents tortured by your cowardice and dereliction of duty in not living up your oath of office haunts your every waking minute. I sincerely hope that you realize the utter stupidity of agreeing to a policy of torture that has created far more terrorists that it could ever possibly stop. I hope that you know that, whatever else you may accomplish with the rest of your miserable life, you will never, ever be able to compensate a ten thousandth of a ten thousandth for the violence you have done to innocents tortured, our Constitution, the rule of law, the body politic, and our standing in the world, you cowardly, craven, vile worm.
Sincerely,
demaL-demaL-yeH

PS I won't be buying or reading your damned book, either, you pustulent, whiny douchebag.
2014-01-06 01:37:45 PM
2 votes:

Satanic_Hamster: I really don't understand right wingers.  They advocate using the powers of the government to force moral behaviors on US citizens, then say that the government is evil and can't do anything right, then they have no problem with the government torturing people and acting immorally if it MIGHT prevent a terrorist attack.


What the F*ck does this have to do with barbecue!?
2014-01-06 01:15:43 PM
2 votes:
www.digitalmediatree.com
2014-01-06 01:00:05 PM
2 votes:
What a waterboard for a barbecue might look like:

www.joesbbqs.com.au
2014-01-06 12:59:23 PM
2 votes:
He chose not barbecue.

www.gardnercampbell.net
2014-01-06 11:04:33 AM
2 votes:

Nefarious: Choose not barbecue lest barbecue choose you


A nice version of "look not into the pit"
2014-01-06 10:52:11 AM
2 votes:
Choose not barbecue lest barbecue choose you
2014-01-06 05:16:10 PM
1 votes:

whatsupchuck: Note to self: Stop submitting coherent headlines because gibberish altitude galoshes sandwich.


That got a legitimate LOL out of me. In other words, I barbequed it.
2014-01-06 04:00:34 PM
1 votes:
thoughtcatalog.files.wordpress.com

To be honest, I don't think I'd be brave enough to chose barbecue either.
2014-01-06 03:50:29 PM
1 votes:

doublesecretprobation: barbeque is always the right choice.


No. Never barbeque. Always barbecue.
2014-01-06 02:23:48 PM
1 votes:
Not-so-secret CIA barbeque technique:

Step 1: Go to Fark Politics tab, add post that reads "Enough with all the whining about torture. We tortured under Bush, we're torturing under Obama, everybody's cool with torture. What we truthfully don't like are tattletales like Assange and Snowden making our preferred political side look bad."

Step 2: Season to tastelessness with quotes from the Clintons, the Bushes, Benjamin Franklin, Rush Limbaugh, Hitler, George Lucas, John Stewart, more Hitler, Taylor Swift, a dash more Hitler, and so on. For added flavor, avoid the standard shopworn quotes and spice up the mix with more exotic, off-topic statements. If you're feeling especially creative, whip up your own fresh quotations and garnish with whatever attributions seem best.

Step 3: Allow to simmer for at least ten to twelve replies, then increase the derp and adjust the goalposts. Repeat as necessary until the thread reaches peak temperature.

Step 4: Stir in alt posts to thicken the sauce, then serve and enjoy as many sacred cows as you can roast.
2014-01-06 01:38:59 PM
1 votes:
While its a funny typo, the heart of the matter isn't.


We are easily distracted barbecue, the powers that have brainwashed us to be.
2014-01-06 01:36:13 PM
1 votes:
I really don't understand right wingers.  They advocate using the powers of the government to force moral behaviors on US citizens, then say that the government is evil and can't do anything right, then they have no problem with the government torturing people and acting immorally if it MIGHT prevent a terrorist attack.
2014-01-06 01:27:49 PM
1 votes:
And i just started a low fat diet (Trying to lose BF%, not weight) and now I'm hungry!
/fu subby :(
2014-01-06 01:23:29 PM
1 votes:

ArcadianRefugee: McGrits: Is this real barbecue where one cooks with indirect heat and smoke? Or is this the backyard party where people grill burgers and hotdogs?

Who cares? The real question is, which is the best style of barbecue? Texas? Carolina? Memphis? Kansas City?


It's perfectly clear.
Franklin BBQ, Austin, Texas, baby.
Best in the US.

andrewzimmern.com
2014-01-06 01:20:31 PM
1 votes:

ArcadianRefugee: McGrits: Is this real barbecue where one cooks with indirect heat and smoke? Or is this the backyard party where people grill burgers and hotdogs?

Who cares? The real question is, which is the best style of barbecue? Texas? Carolina? Memphis? Kansas City?


What about Jersey BBQ?

localtvwqad.files.wordpress.com
2014-01-06 01:19:31 PM
1 votes:
I love this barbecue so much!
2014-01-06 01:17:56 PM
1 votes:
Today, a new meme was born.
2014-01-06 01:09:44 PM
1 votes:

Cewley: helped to turn the US into just another torturing regime.


Only if your memory is short enough.
This pud is just the fall guy for some war crimes.

USA is and always has been The BMF on the block.
Just the lies change to protect the sociopaths whose names shall not be spoken.
2014-01-06 01:09:40 PM
1 votes:

Prince George: How bad does one have to spell because to get it to spell-check and barbeque.


How bad does one have to spell as to get it to spell-check as and?.
2014-01-06 01:00:36 PM
1 votes:
Here's the original headline in the case the parasites .. i mean "moderators" .. correct it:

"Profiles in cowardice: The Memoir of the CIA lawyer who could have stopped water-boarding and torture of terror suspects with the stroke of a pen, but chose not barbecue he might be blamed if something bad happened afterwards "
2014-01-06 12:59:31 PM
1 votes:
So we're still jailing people for having small quantities of marijuana, but everyone who authorized torture is still walking free, right?

USA!  USA!
2014-01-06 11:21:43 AM
1 votes:
Bad like what? Burnt ends?

I love burnt ends.
2014-01-06 10:47:25 AM
1 votes:
Horrifying.  Barbecue is awesome.
 
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