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(ABC)   Profiles in cowardice: The Memoir of the CIA lawyer who could have stopped water-boarding and torture of terror suspects with the stroke of a pen, but chose not barbecue he might be blamed if something bad happened afterwards   (abcnews.go.com) divider line 235
    More: Dumbass, CIA, Secretary of State Colin Powell, cowardice, Donald Rumsfeld, John Rizzo  
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2014-01-06 01:31:12 PM  

Maud Dib: ArcadianRefugee: McGrits: Is this real barbecue where one cooks with indirect heat and smoke? Or is this the backyard party where people grill burgers and hotdogs?

Who cares? The real question is, which is the best style of barbecue? Texas? Carolina? Memphis? Kansas City?

It's perfectly clear.
Franklin BBQ, Austin, Texas, baby.
Best in the US.


Blacks in Lockheart Texas.
 
2014-01-06 01:32:15 PM  
Came for a jpeg of that chick from Abu Ghraib with the cigarette giving the thumbs up and pointing down to a fantastic grill-ful of mesquite goodness.

/I am disappoint
 
2014-01-06 01:32:33 PM  

Kentucky Fried Children: [www.directoryone.com image 628x371]
THE HORROR


The babybacking of terrorist suspects, on the other hand...
 
2014-01-06 01:33:29 PM  
Autocorrect victims untie!
 
2014-01-06 01:33:47 PM  

FlashHarry: always preview before submitting, barbecue you could end up with a silly or nonsensical headline.


Quickest way to a green.
 
2014-01-06 01:34:35 PM  
Geeze, some of these high ranking folks of the post 911 era make J. Edgar Hoover look like a panty-waist. Oh wait...
 
2014-01-06 01:34:38 PM  
One of the funniest threads all day!
 
2014-01-06 01:35:04 PM  

mekkab: ArcadianRefugee: McGrits: Is this real barbecue where one cooks with indirect heat and smoke? Or is this the backyard party where people grill burgers and hotdogs?

Who cares? The real question is, which is the best style of barbecue? Texas? Carolina? Memphis? Kansas City?

What about Jersey BBQ?

[localtvwqad.files.wordpress.com image 850x1138]


i2.cdn.turner.com
i.telegraph.co.uk
 
2014-01-06 01:35:09 PM  
Barbecue I could not stop for death
 
2014-01-06 01:35:53 PM  
Give me one rib and I'll be happy 
Just, just to be with you 
Give me, give me, a chance to be near you 
Barbecue, barbecue I love you
 
2014-01-06 01:36:00 PM  
abcnews.go.com

/ because BBQ
 
2014-01-06 01:36:13 PM  
I really don't understand right wingers.  They advocate using the powers of the government to force moral behaviors on US citizens, then say that the government is evil and can't do anything right, then they have no problem with the government torturing people and acting immorally if it MIGHT prevent a terrorist attack.
 
2014-01-06 01:37:45 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: I really don't understand right wingers.  They advocate using the powers of the government to force moral behaviors on US citizens, then say that the government is evil and can't do anything right, then they have no problem with the government torturing people and acting immorally if it MIGHT prevent a terrorist attack.


What the F*ck does this have to do with barbecue!?
 
2014-01-06 01:37:55 PM  
John Woo is not amused.
 
2014-01-06 01:38:41 PM  

Odoriferous Queef: Maud Dib: ArcadianRefugee: McGrits: Is this real barbecue where one cooks with indirect heat and smoke? Or is this the backyard party where people grill burgers and hotdogs?

Who cares? The real question is, which is the best style of barbecue? Texas? Carolina? Memphis? Kansas City?

It's perfectly clear.
Franklin BBQ, Austin, Texas, baby.
Best in the US.

Blacks in Lockheart Texas.


I've been to Blacks many times. It's damn good, but it pales in comparison to Franklin.
 
2014-01-06 01:38:59 PM  
While its a funny typo, the heart of the matter isn't.


We are easily distracted barbecue, the powers that have brainwashed us to be.
 
2014-01-06 01:40:43 PM  
In subby's defense, a radical Islamist might spill some beans to avoid eating pork ribs.
 
2014-01-06 01:40:44 PM  
I figure you barbeque a lawyer by smoking him (or her) on a ceder plank for 24-30 hours, throwing it all out and going to a restaurant. There's no way to get the taste of the death and torture of innocents out of some of them.
 
2014-01-06 01:44:18 PM  
Is this one of those easy tricks to spot lies on the internet?
 
2014-01-06 01:45:47 PM  
I support giving prisoners the choice of water boarding or barbeque.
 
2014-01-06 01:46:35 PM  
EDWARD SNOWDEN CHOSE BARBECUE!
 
2014-01-06 01:47:33 PM  

libranoelrose: Is this one of those easy tricks to spot lies on the internet?


No this is the one interrogation trick that housewives know that unlock the Biblical moneycode that will make you look 30 years younger.
 
2014-01-06 01:47:46 PM  

Maud Dib: Odoriferous Queef: Maud Dib:
It's perfectly clear.
Franklin BBQ, Austin, Texas, baby.
Best in the US.

Blacks in Lockheart Texas.

I've been to Blacks many times. It's damn good, but it pales in comparison to Franklin.


I will have to put Franklin on my list then.
 
2014-01-06 01:48:22 PM  
hell yeah....i loves me some BBQ, because...

www.outerbanks.com
 
2014-01-06 01:48:30 PM  

DrBenway: In subby's defense, a radical Islamist might spill some beans to avoid eating pork ribs.


"Oh you perfidious infidel dog! If you dare force another rib, and maybe some of that brisket, on me it will be too much, and I'll talk." [wolfs down food] "No...I think I can hold out a big longer, Inshallah. But surely forcing some of that loin on me, and don't be skimpy with the sauce, will be the last straw!" [drools]
 
2014-01-06 01:48:57 PM  

EyeballKid: Or, reporters for ABC could have tried, you know, reporting.


What? It was "with us or against us" remember. Good patriotic news organizations don't question the government, right.
 
2014-01-06 01:51:12 PM  

smells_like_meat: Its only barbecue if you use charcoal


Heathen!
 
2014-01-06 01:52:51 PM  
"Bring a barbecue for your teeth." --Abraham Lincoln
 
2014-01-06 01:56:07 PM  
Dear John Rizzo,
I hope that the specter of the innocents tortured by your cowardice and dereliction of duty in not living up your oath of office haunts your every waking minute. I sincerely hope that you realize the utter stupidity of agreeing to a policy of torture that has created far more terrorists that it could ever possibly stop. I hope that you know that, whatever else you may accomplish with the rest of your miserable life, you will never, ever be able to compensate a ten thousandth of a ten thousandth for the violence you have done to innocents tortured, our Constitution, the rule of law, the body politic, and our standing in the world, you cowardly, craven, vile worm.
Sincerely,
demaL-demaL-yeH

PS I won't be buying or reading your damned book, either, you pustulent, whiny douchebag.
 
2014-01-06 01:56:26 PM  

ArgusRun: smells_like_meat: Its only barbecue if you use charcoal

Heathen!


Wood fire or go home.
 
2014-01-06 01:57:49 PM  
As if a Boston lawyer knows anything about BBQ.
 
2014-01-06 01:58:05 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: DrBenway: In subby's defense, a radical Islamist might spill some beans to avoid eating pork ribs.

"Oh you perfidious infidel dog! If you dare force another rib, and maybe some of that brisket, on me it will be too much, and I'll talk." [wolfs down food] "No...I think I can hold out a big longer, Inshallah. But surely forcing some of that loin on me, and don't be skimpy with the sauce, will be the last straw!" [drools]


Indeed! That reminds me of the old joke about being sure to bring at least two Baptists fishing with you, because if you only bring one, they'll drink all your beer.
 
2014-01-06 01:59:04 PM  

DrBenway: because if you only bring one, they'll drink all your beer.


+1
 
2014-01-06 02:04:34 PM  
Rizzo's portrayal of key meetings offers an unprecedented and sometimes startling look at how uncomfortable the enhanced-interrogation techniques made people.
Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld "didn't want to get his fingerprints anywhere near the EITs."


What are EITs? Extremely intense tenderloins?

Please don't misconstrue Rummy's desire not to personally handle the extreme interrogation techniques paperwork as somehow not supporting torture of US prisoners. Ask Geoffrey D. Miller whether Rummy supported the use of torture in Gitmo and later in Iraq.
 
2014-01-06 02:06:11 PM  
I regret that I have but one barbecue to give for my country.

/lunchtime!
 
2014-01-06 02:08:09 PM  

wingnut396: What a waterboard for a barbecue might look like:

[www.joesbbqs.com.au image 565x330]


Those is biiig skrimps. MMMM-MMM
 
2014-01-06 02:10:56 PM  

img.fark.net

AMERICA!

FARK YEAH!

 
2014-01-06 02:10:57 PM  

Archimedes' Principal: As a huge fan of barbecue, I support subby's subliminal mistake.

/ What, nobody proofreads anymore?
// Ribs, wet or dry. Which is better?


dry
 
2014-01-06 02:11:32 PM  
I attended an informal discussion of this very subject with Mr. Rizzo shortly after he retired from the CIA.  He retired in October 2009 (Per TFA) and the discussion occurred in late November 2009.  He is very good friends with the U.S. District Court Judge that taught my Evidence class in law school.  Mr. Rizzo was in town for another gathering and spent one class period speaking with us.  One of the students asked him about his role in the CIA's approval of Enhanced Interrogation techniques.  He was surprisingly candid about the entire subject.  I fully expected him to claim that the information was classified, but he spoke pretty freely about the matter.

When the CIA operatives asked him about using EITs, he had no idea what they intended.  After he was informed on what methods the operatives planned to use and the reasons for doing so, he initial reaction was "Absolutely not!"  But as part of his due diligence he submitted the question to the Justice Department.  He expected the Justice Department to return an answer of "No" as well.  However, that is not the answer he received.  The rest is kind of history at this point.

One of the students asked him if he had any regrets about his role in the affair.  He said it bothered him how blown out of proportion the whole thing ended up becoming.  By the time he was talking with the class, the public viewpoint was that every enemy combatant that was captured was subjected to EIT.  That was not the case at all.  He explained, the operatives used regular interrogation techniques on anybody that the operatives thought could provide useful information.  However, there were about half a dozen detainees that the operatives knew where higher up the chain of command and knew valuable information about future attacks.  Those detainees had also received training in Interrogation tactics and thus the normal tactics did not crack those few detainees.  That is why the operatives asked if other methods could be used.  He regretted that, while the EITs were used, it was against a specific set of detainees for very specific reasons and he did not like how everything else the CIA did became clouded by the public viewpoint that the CIA was just going around torturing everybody.  Incidentally, he also mentioned that the EITs were successful in pulling information that helped to stop future attacks, although he could not discuss those details.

His only other regret was that he trusted politicians to not be politicians.  He explained that after the Justice Department gave the green light to the CIA, every member of Congress and the Administration that needed to know were told what was going to happen.  They all signed off on it.  Part of that green light was that the CIA personnel would not be held responsible if the information about the EITs ever became public.  But as you are well aware, the information did go public and it had a huge backlash.  Then as politicians always do, they switched sides.  He was angry that certain members of Congress, after the information became public, claimed that they had no knowledge of it and if they did they would have stopped it.  He said, they all knew and they all gave it approval.  But now it was politically convenient to throw the CIA under the bus.

All in all, it was an interesting discussion.

\csb
 
2014-01-06 02:13:06 PM  

whither_apophis: "Barbacue or barbecue not. There is no fry"


Fixy'd
 
2014-01-06 02:17:51 PM  
cdn.walltowatch.com
 
2014-01-06 02:18:59 PM  
Come to the CIA BBBQ, the extra B is for BYOBB
 
2014-01-06 02:23:29 PM  
Drat. I was just getting used to the because mean and now it's barbeque.
 
2014-01-06 02:23:48 PM  
Not-so-secret CIA barbeque technique:

Step 1: Go to Fark Politics tab, add post that reads "Enough with all the whining about torture. We tortured under Bush, we're torturing under Obama, everybody's cool with torture. What we truthfully don't like are tattletales like Assange and Snowden making our preferred political side look bad."

Step 2: Season to tastelessness with quotes from the Clintons, the Bushes, Benjamin Franklin, Rush Limbaugh, Hitler, George Lucas, John Stewart, more Hitler, Taylor Swift, a dash more Hitler, and so on. For added flavor, avoid the standard shopworn quotes and spice up the mix with more exotic, off-topic statements. If you're feeling especially creative, whip up your own fresh quotations and garnish with whatever attributions seem best.

Step 3: Allow to simmer for at least ten to twelve replies, then increase the derp and adjust the goalposts. Repeat as necessary until the thread reaches peak temperature.

Step 4: Stir in alt posts to thicken the sauce, then serve and enjoy as many sacred cows as you can roast.
 
2014-01-06 02:24:14 PM  

gimmegimme: So we're still jailing people for having small quantities of marijuana, but everyone who authorized torture is still walking free, right?

USA!  USA!


Where are we doing this exactly?
 
2014-01-06 02:25:20 PM  
Sorry, I mean "meme". I was not being a smart ass.

Well, maybe a little.

Let's try this again:


Drat. I was just getting used to the because meme and now it's barbeque.

There. Curse you Automatic Spellchecker!
 
2014-01-06 02:26:24 PM  

macross87: The headline was the worst


It's spelled wurst.

Maybe I shouldn't talk right now. I'll be over there.
 
2014-01-06 02:27:26 PM  

special20: You know, those Buddhist monks know how to do an awesome barbecue.


The extra ingredient is nothing.
 
2014-01-06 02:32:06 PM  
 
2014-01-06 02:35:33 PM  

Maud Dib: ArcadianRefugee: McGrits: Is this real barbecue where one cooks with indirect heat and smoke? Or is this the backyard party where people grill burgers and hotdogs?

Who cares? The real question is, which is the best style of barbecue? Texas? Carolina? Memphis? Kansas City?

It's perfectly clear.
Franklin BBQ, Austin, Texas, baby.
Best in the US.

[andrewzimmern.com image 850x531]


So hungry...

/does Canada have a "BBQ" category?
 
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