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(ABC)   Profiles in cowardice: The Memoir of the CIA lawyer who could have stopped water-boarding and torture of terror suspects with the stroke of a pen, but chose not barbecue he might be blamed if something bad happened afterwards   (abcnews.go.com) divider line 236
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2014-01-06 10:26:11 AM  
helped to turn the US into just another torturing regime.
 
2014-01-06 10:47:14 AM  
barbeque is always the right choice.
 
2014-01-06 10:47:25 AM  
Horrifying.  Barbecue is awesome.
 
2014-01-06 10:52:11 AM  
Choose not barbecue lest barbecue choose you
 
2014-01-06 10:59:27 AM  
got-damn auto-correct
 
2014-01-06 11:00:56 AM  
What a saucy tale
 
2014-01-06 11:01:57 AM  
always preview before submitting, barbecue you could end up with a silly or nonsensical headline.
 
2014-01-06 11:02:38 AM  
Barbecue reasons.
 
2014-01-06 11:04:33 AM  

Nefarious: Choose not barbecue lest barbecue choose you


A nice version of "look not into the pit"
 
2014-01-06 11:12:23 AM  
Do not ask for whom the grill smokes...
 
2014-01-06 11:21:43 AM  
Bad like what? Burnt ends?

I love burnt ends.
 
2014-01-06 11:22:06 AM  
Its only barbecue if you use charcoal
 
2014-01-06 11:23:26 AM  
ffs, barbecue and damn the consequences
 
2014-01-06 11:42:04 AM  
noebie.net
 
2014-01-06 11:49:19 AM  
"Barbacue or barbecue not. There is no try"
 
2014-01-06 12:16:56 PM  
This is going to be awkward when the modmins correct the headline before greening it.
 
2014-01-06 12:33:37 PM  

czetie: This is going to be awkward when the modmins correct the headline before greening it.


Well, I for one have certainly never let that stop me from looking foolish
 
2014-01-06 12:42:32 PM  
Well, if you just smoke them, you'll never get any information out of them.
 
2014-01-06 12:58:20 PM  
If we need to do it quickly can we just grill them?
 
2014-01-06 12:59:23 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: czetie: This is going to be awkward when the modmins correct the headline before greening it.

Well, I for one have certainly never let that stop me from looking foolish


And conversely, I have never needed their help...
 
2014-01-06 12:59:23 PM  
He chose not barbecue.

www.gardnercampbell.net
 
2014-01-06 12:59:28 PM  
I'll have to agree - barbeque is delicious.
 
2014-01-06 12:59:31 PM  
So we're still jailing people for having small quantities of marijuana, but everyone who authorized torture is still walking free, right?

USA!  USA!
 
2014-01-06 12:59:45 PM  
Ask not what barbecue can do for you, rather ask what you can do for barbecue.
 
2014-01-06 12:59:51 PM  
Don't get me wrong, barbecue is good, but what the hell does it have to do with any of this?
 
2014-01-06 01:00:05 PM  
What a waterboard for a barbecue might look like:

www.joesbbqs.com.au
 
2014-01-06 01:00:15 PM  

FlashHarry: always preview before submitting, barbecue you could end up with a silly or nonsensical headline.



There is nothing silly about barbecue.
 
2014-01-06 01:00:35 PM  
This thread didn't stand a chance.
 
2014-01-06 01:00:36 PM  
Here's the original headline in the case the parasites .. i mean "moderators" .. correct it:

"Profiles in cowardice: The Memoir of the CIA lawyer who could have stopped water-boarding and torture of terror suspects with the stroke of a pen, but chose not barbecue he might be blamed if something bad happened afterwards "
 
2014-01-06 01:00:47 PM  
Principal caught bulgogi?
 
2014-01-06 01:01:59 PM  
BBBQ. The extra B is for BYOBB.
 
2014-01-06 01:02:38 PM  

Jodeo: He chose not barbecue.

[www.gardnercampbell.net image 720x540]


Love it.  +1
 
2014-01-06 01:02:39 PM  
That bastard chose waterboarding over barbecue?!?  War crimes indeed!
 
2014-01-06 01:02:57 PM  
epic! mods-please do not fix the headline.
 
2014-01-06 01:03:35 PM  
Someone is getting raked over the colas for this.
 
2014-01-06 01:03:39 PM  
Ask not what your country can do for you.  Ask what barbecue for your country.
 
2014-01-06 01:03:44 PM  
To be fair here guys, if you were going to get thrown onto a barbeque then you would probably give up some information.
 
2014-01-06 01:03:52 PM  

DrBenway: Well, if you just smoke them, you'll never get any information out of them.


Yes, but they'll have a nice bark and be more delicious.
 
2014-01-06 01:04:25 PM  
Isnt it those exact scare tactics that is used to force through all sorts of unconstitutional/controversial programs?
 
2014-01-06 01:04:55 PM  
You know, those Buddhist monks know how to do an awesome barbecue.
 
2014-01-06 01:05:04 PM  
So he just let them go on grilling suspects without any kind of oversight?

Not to rib the guy, but baby, back in the day, you would do what needed to be done and shoulder the consequences. Sometimes you have to consider what might happen but brisket anyway. Sooner or later, someone will find the sauce of the leak, butt

Maillard may not matter in the end, if you did the right thing.
 
2014-01-06 01:05:18 PM  

ariseatex: BBBQ. The extra B is for BYOBB.


It's still good!
It's still good!
 
2014-01-06 01:05:27 PM  
Land of the free and home of the Bullies.
 
2014-01-06 01:05:29 PM  
To BBQ, or not to BBQ, that is the question-
Whether 'tis Nobler in the mind to suffer
The Waterboarding and Tortures of outrageous Fortune,
Or to take a Grill against a Sea of troubles,
And by opposing feed them? To feed, to hunger -
No more; and by a meal, to say we end
The Stomach-ache, and the thousand Natural sauces and spices
That Delicious Flesh is heir to? 'Tis a consummation
Devoutly to be wished. To feed, to eat,
To eat, perchance to Dream; Aye, there's the dry rub,
For in that post-Meal nap, what dreams may come,
When we have unbuckled off this mortal belt,
Must give us pause.
 
2014-01-06 01:06:18 PM  
www.directoryone.com
THE HORROR
 
2014-01-06 01:06:23 PM  
static.neatorama.com
Dude.
 
2014-01-06 01:06:23 PM  
How bad does one have to spell because to get it to spell-check and barbeque.
 
2014-01-06 01:06:32 PM  
Principal barbecue sayof.
 
2014-01-06 01:06:37 PM  
As a huge fan of barbecue, I support subby's subliminal mistake.

/ What, nobody proofreads anymore?
// Ribs, wet or dry. Which is better?
 
2014-01-06 01:08:06 PM  
Mmmmm, barbecued enhanced interrogation methods
 
2014-01-06 01:08:15 PM  
The headline was the worst
 
2014-01-06 01:08:18 PM  
 
2014-01-06 01:08:42 PM  
Is this real barbecue where one cooks with indirect heat and smoke? Or is this the backyard party where people grill burgers and hotdogs?
 
2014-01-06 01:09:40 PM  

Prince George: How bad does one have to spell because to get it to spell-check and barbeque.


How bad does one have to spell as to get it to spell-check as and?.
 
2014-01-06 01:09:42 PM  
When grilling a suspect you think might have juicy information, it may be necessary to hit him on the back, ribs, or face. Smoking these details out may even require you to flay him. In the old days they'd use the rack, or tie someone to the stake. I don't see why people get so burned about torture. Spit your legalese at me if you must, although I find it rather dry. Rub the tears from your eyes and quit crying about it.
 
2014-01-06 01:09:44 PM  

Cewley: helped to turn the US into just another torturing regime.


Only if your memory is short enough.
This pud is just the fall guy for some war crimes.

USA is and always has been The BMF on the block.
Just the lies change to protect the sociopaths whose names shall not be spoken.
 
2014-01-06 01:09:54 PM  

Prince George: How bad does one have to spell because to get it to spell-check and barbeque.


Hi. My name is Magorn, if you've seen a misspelling in a headline in the past ten years or so, there's a better than even chance it was mine.   Finally getting a browser with spell check has not improved this situation as it also now has auto-correct and I'm still as lysdexic as ever
 
2014-01-06 01:10:16 PM  
as long as the grill lines look like a redacted cia memo...the barbecue is looking good.

/hate to be grilled for info by this guy
//their grill looks like a revolver and is called 'the smoking gun'
///other bbq related pun
 
2014-01-06 01:10:22 PM  
www.littlemonsterscomic.com
Approve
 
2014-01-06 01:10:56 PM  
We will ignite our new flame pit and char some mammal flesh for you.
 
2014-01-06 01:11:00 PM  

macross87: The headline was the worst


Fark should have a WHOTY.
 
2014-01-06 01:11:08 PM  
Lawyers are skanks,  it doesn't matter how good they barbeque.
 
2014-01-06 01:11:12 PM  

BunkoSquad: To BBQ, or not to BBQ, that is the question-
Whether 'tis Nobler in the mind to suffer
The Waterboarding and Tortures of outrageous Fortune,
Or to take a Grill against a Sea of troubles,
And by opposing feed them? To feed, to hunger -
No more; and by a meal, to say we end
The Stomach-ache, and the thousand Natural sauces and spices
That Delicious Flesh is heir to? 'Tis a consummation
Devoutly to be wished. To feed, to eat,
To eat, perchance to Dream; Aye, there's the dry rub,
For in that post-Meal nap, what dreams may come,
When we have unbuckled off this mortal belt,
Must give us pause.


Winner winner
BBQ chicken dinner
 
2014-01-06 01:11:17 PM  
Has anyone noticed that there's a typo in the headline?
 
2014-01-06 01:11:44 PM  

wingnut396: What a waterboard for a barbecue might look like:

[www.joesbbqs.com.au image 565x330]


Ew, farm-raised.
 
2014-01-06 01:11:55 PM  
Long pig barbecue?
 
2014-01-06 01:14:04 PM  

Magorn: Prince George: How bad does one have to spell because to get it to spell-check and barbeque.

Hi. My name is Magorn, if you've seen a misspelling in a headline in the past ten years or so, there's a better than even chance it was mine.   Finally getting a browser with spell check has not improved this situation as it also now has auto-correct and I'm still as lysdexic as ever


Being dyslexic means never having to say you're rysso.
 
2014-01-06 01:15:14 PM  

McGrits: Is this real barbecue where one cooks with indirect heat and smoke? Or is this the backyard party where people grill burgers and hotdogs?


Who cares? The real question is, which is the best style of barbecue? Texas? Carolina? Memphis? Kansas City?
 
2014-01-06 01:15:43 PM  
www.digitalmediatree.com
 
2014-01-06 01:16:14 PM  
farm8.staticflickr.com
 
2014-01-06 01:17:13 PM  
This thread is golden,like a nice plump chicken turning on the spit.
 
2014-01-06 01:17:44 PM  
The question we must ask is "Is our children barbecuing?"
 
2014-01-06 01:17:56 PM  
Today, a new meme was born.
 
2014-01-06 01:18:05 PM  
Did you hear about the new Barbecue divorce doll?  It comes with half of Kencue's stuff.
 
2014-01-06 01:18:11 PM  
was subby hungry while writing this ?
were you trying to make us hungry while reading it?
so confused
so hungry
 
2014-01-06 01:18:26 PM  
CIA BBQ sauce where all the ingredients are secret
 
2014-01-06 01:18:30 PM  

jshine: Has anyone noticed that there's a typo in the headline?


sounds like a vowel problem, mehh.
 
2014-01-06 01:19:31 PM  
I love this barbecue so much!
 
2014-01-06 01:19:42 PM  
Or, reporters for ABC could have tried, you know, reporting.
 
2014-01-06 01:20:08 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: [www.littlemonsterscomic.com image 702x473]
Approve


Came for the barbecue, stayed for the jugband Christmas.
 
2014-01-06 01:20:19 PM  
First green light for meow?
 
2014-01-06 01:20:25 PM  

Archimedes' Principal: As a huge fan of barbecue, I support subby's subliminal mistake.

/ What, nobody proofreads anymore?
// Ribs, wet or dry. Which is better?


Lamb ribs, cooked in the oven at low temps for a while, then crispified with salt and spices over a charcoal fire. People have fought  over my dads ribs.
 
2014-01-06 01:20:29 PM  
Yes, this one little lawyer could have stopped water-boarding torture.
Now, I'm not defending a CIA lawyer. We all know what that august, democracy-spreading organization has been up to the last several decades, and there is no question the guy's a low-life. But, thinking in the context of an organization that is directly responsible for far more deaths than any terrorist on the planet but tells itself it is protecting democracy, I can't blame the guy for trying to cover his own ass.
 
2014-01-06 01:20:31 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: McGrits: Is this real barbecue where one cooks with indirect heat and smoke? Or is this the backyard party where people grill burgers and hotdogs?

Who cares? The real question is, which is the best style of barbecue? Texas? Carolina? Memphis? Kansas City?


What about Jersey BBQ?

localtvwqad.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-01-06 01:20:52 PM  
Note to self: Stop submitting coherent headlines because gibberish altitude galoshes sandwich.
 
2014-01-06 01:21:12 PM  
(thanks for throwing away my re-size and doing your own, stupid fark)
 
2014-01-06 01:21:34 PM  
If you choose not barbecue you still have made a choice.
 
2014-01-06 01:21:48 PM  
thesipadvisor.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-01-06 01:23:29 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: McGrits: Is this real barbecue where one cooks with indirect heat and smoke? Or is this the backyard party where people grill burgers and hotdogs?

Who cares? The real question is, which is the best style of barbecue? Texas? Carolina? Memphis? Kansas City?


It's perfectly clear.
Franklin BBQ, Austin, Texas, baby.
Best in the US.

andrewzimmern.com
 
2014-01-06 01:23:30 PM  
www.screeninsults.com

The secret's in the sauce.
 
2014-01-06 01:23:44 PM  
global3.memecdn.com
 
2014-01-06 01:24:05 PM  

whatsupchuck: Note to self: Stop submitting coherent headlines because gibberish altitude galoshes sandwich.


You rang?

It's beautiful headlines and threads like this that make the featured partners, paid links, and comments from whiny college types that have never held a job all worthwhile.
 
2014-01-06 01:26:04 PM  

Magorn: got-damn auto-correct


Did your face bruise when the palm hit it?
 
2014-01-06 01:26:42 PM  

Cewley: helped to turn the US into just another torturing regime.


Where have you been?  The School of the Americas, and other programs, have been in place for decades.
 
2014-01-06 01:27:49 PM  
And i just started a low fat diet (Trying to lose BF%, not weight) and now I'm hungry!
/fu subby :(
 
2014-01-06 01:28:06 PM  
Barbecue?
 
2014-01-06 01:28:14 PM  

Just another Heartland Weirdass: Someone is getting raked over the colas for this.


RC what you did there.
 
2014-01-06 01:28:30 PM  
Blaming auto-correct for failure to proof read is barbecue.
 
2014-01-06 01:30:38 PM  

netcentric: Lawyers are skanks, it doesn't matter how good they barbeque.


The Germans even tried gas and it still didn't help.
 
2014-01-06 01:31:05 PM  
I barbecue this thread so much.
 
2014-01-06 01:31:12 PM  

Maud Dib: ArcadianRefugee: McGrits: Is this real barbecue where one cooks with indirect heat and smoke? Or is this the backyard party where people grill burgers and hotdogs?

Who cares? The real question is, which is the best style of barbecue? Texas? Carolina? Memphis? Kansas City?

It's perfectly clear.
Franklin BBQ, Austin, Texas, baby.
Best in the US.


Blacks in Lockheart Texas.
 
2014-01-06 01:32:15 PM  
Came for a jpeg of that chick from Abu Ghraib with the cigarette giving the thumbs up and pointing down to a fantastic grill-ful of mesquite goodness.

/I am disappoint
 
2014-01-06 01:32:33 PM  

Kentucky Fried Children: [www.directoryone.com image 628x371]
THE HORROR


The babybacking of terrorist suspects, on the other hand...
 
2014-01-06 01:33:29 PM  
Autocorrect victims untie!
 
2014-01-06 01:33:47 PM  

FlashHarry: always preview before submitting, barbecue you could end up with a silly or nonsensical headline.


Quickest way to a green.
 
2014-01-06 01:34:35 PM  
Geeze, some of these high ranking folks of the post 911 era make J. Edgar Hoover look like a panty-waist. Oh wait...
 
2014-01-06 01:34:38 PM  
One of the funniest threads all day!
 
2014-01-06 01:35:04 PM  

mekkab: ArcadianRefugee: McGrits: Is this real barbecue where one cooks with indirect heat and smoke? Or is this the backyard party where people grill burgers and hotdogs?

Who cares? The real question is, which is the best style of barbecue? Texas? Carolina? Memphis? Kansas City?

What about Jersey BBQ?

[localtvwqad.files.wordpress.com image 850x1138]


i2.cdn.turner.com
i.telegraph.co.uk
 
2014-01-06 01:35:09 PM  
Barbecue I could not stop for death
 
2014-01-06 01:35:53 PM  
Give me one rib and I'll be happy 
Just, just to be with you 
Give me, give me, a chance to be near you 
Barbecue, barbecue I love you
 
2014-01-06 01:36:00 PM  
abcnews.go.com

/ because BBQ
 
2014-01-06 01:36:13 PM  
I really don't understand right wingers.  They advocate using the powers of the government to force moral behaviors on US citizens, then say that the government is evil and can't do anything right, then they have no problem with the government torturing people and acting immorally if it MIGHT prevent a terrorist attack.
 
2014-01-06 01:37:45 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: I really don't understand right wingers.  They advocate using the powers of the government to force moral behaviors on US citizens, then say that the government is evil and can't do anything right, then they have no problem with the government torturing people and acting immorally if it MIGHT prevent a terrorist attack.


What the F*ck does this have to do with barbecue!?
 
2014-01-06 01:37:55 PM  
John Woo is not amused.
 
2014-01-06 01:38:41 PM  

Odoriferous Queef: Maud Dib: ArcadianRefugee: McGrits: Is this real barbecue where one cooks with indirect heat and smoke? Or is this the backyard party where people grill burgers and hotdogs?

Who cares? The real question is, which is the best style of barbecue? Texas? Carolina? Memphis? Kansas City?

It's perfectly clear.
Franklin BBQ, Austin, Texas, baby.
Best in the US.

Blacks in Lockheart Texas.


I've been to Blacks many times. It's damn good, but it pales in comparison to Franklin.
 
2014-01-06 01:38:59 PM  
While its a funny typo, the heart of the matter isn't.


We are easily distracted barbecue, the powers that have brainwashed us to be.
 
2014-01-06 01:40:43 PM  
In subby's defense, a radical Islamist might spill some beans to avoid eating pork ribs.
 
2014-01-06 01:40:44 PM  
I figure you barbeque a lawyer by smoking him (or her) on a ceder plank for 24-30 hours, throwing it all out and going to a restaurant. There's no way to get the taste of the death and torture of innocents out of some of them.
 
2014-01-06 01:44:18 PM  
Is this one of those easy tricks to spot lies on the internet?
 
2014-01-06 01:45:47 PM  
I support giving prisoners the choice of water boarding or barbeque.
 
2014-01-06 01:46:34 PM  
Is that like when they force feed pork to Muslims?
 
2014-01-06 01:46:35 PM  
EDWARD SNOWDEN CHOSE BARBECUE!
 
2014-01-06 01:47:33 PM  

libranoelrose: Is this one of those easy tricks to spot lies on the internet?


No this is the one interrogation trick that housewives know that unlock the Biblical moneycode that will make you look 30 years younger.
 
2014-01-06 01:47:46 PM  

Maud Dib: Odoriferous Queef: Maud Dib:
It's perfectly clear.
Franklin BBQ, Austin, Texas, baby.
Best in the US.

Blacks in Lockheart Texas.

I've been to Blacks many times. It's damn good, but it pales in comparison to Franklin.


I will have to put Franklin on my list then.
 
2014-01-06 01:48:22 PM  
hell yeah....i loves me some BBQ, because...

www.outerbanks.com
 
2014-01-06 01:48:30 PM  

DrBenway: In subby's defense, a radical Islamist might spill some beans to avoid eating pork ribs.


"Oh you perfidious infidel dog! If you dare force another rib, and maybe some of that brisket, on me it will be too much, and I'll talk." [wolfs down food] "No...I think I can hold out a big longer, Inshallah. But surely forcing some of that loin on me, and don't be skimpy with the sauce, will be the last straw!" [drools]
 
2014-01-06 01:48:57 PM  

EyeballKid: Or, reporters for ABC could have tried, you know, reporting.


What? It was "with us or against us" remember. Good patriotic news organizations don't question the government, right.
 
2014-01-06 01:51:12 PM  

smells_like_meat: Its only barbecue if you use charcoal


Heathen!
 
2014-01-06 01:52:51 PM  
"Bring a barbecue for your teeth." --Abraham Lincoln
 
2014-01-06 01:56:07 PM  
Dear John Rizzo,
I hope that the specter of the innocents tortured by your cowardice and dereliction of duty in not living up your oath of office haunts your every waking minute. I sincerely hope that you realize the utter stupidity of agreeing to a policy of torture that has created far more terrorists that it could ever possibly stop. I hope that you know that, whatever else you may accomplish with the rest of your miserable life, you will never, ever be able to compensate a ten thousandth of a ten thousandth for the violence you have done to innocents tortured, our Constitution, the rule of law, the body politic, and our standing in the world, you cowardly, craven, vile worm.
Sincerely,
demaL-demaL-yeH

PS I won't be buying or reading your damned book, either, you pustulent, whiny douchebag.
 
2014-01-06 01:56:26 PM  

ArgusRun: smells_like_meat: Its only barbecue if you use charcoal

Heathen!


Wood fire or go home.
 
2014-01-06 01:57:49 PM  
As if a Boston lawyer knows anything about BBQ.
 
2014-01-06 01:58:05 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: DrBenway: In subby's defense, a radical Islamist might spill some beans to avoid eating pork ribs.

"Oh you perfidious infidel dog! If you dare force another rib, and maybe some of that brisket, on me it will be too much, and I'll talk." [wolfs down food] "No...I think I can hold out a big longer, Inshallah. But surely forcing some of that loin on me, and don't be skimpy with the sauce, will be the last straw!" [drools]


Indeed! That reminds me of the old joke about being sure to bring at least two Baptists fishing with you, because if you only bring one, they'll drink all your beer.
 
2014-01-06 01:59:04 PM  

DrBenway: because if you only bring one, they'll drink all your beer.


+1
 
2014-01-06 02:04:34 PM  
Rizzo's portrayal of key meetings offers an unprecedented and sometimes startling look at how uncomfortable the enhanced-interrogation techniques made people.
Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld "didn't want to get his fingerprints anywhere near the EITs."


What are EITs? Extremely intense tenderloins?

Please don't misconstrue Rummy's desire not to personally handle the extreme interrogation techniques paperwork as somehow not supporting torture of US prisoners. Ask Geoffrey D. Miller whether Rummy supported the use of torture in Gitmo and later in Iraq.
 
2014-01-06 02:06:11 PM  
I regret that I have but one barbecue to give for my country.

/lunchtime!
 
2014-01-06 02:08:09 PM  

wingnut396: What a waterboard for a barbecue might look like:

[www.joesbbqs.com.au image 565x330]


Those is biiig skrimps. MMMM-MMM
 
2014-01-06 02:10:56 PM  

img.fark.net

AMERICA!

FARK YEAH!

 
2014-01-06 02:10:57 PM  

Archimedes' Principal: As a huge fan of barbecue, I support subby's subliminal mistake.

/ What, nobody proofreads anymore?
// Ribs, wet or dry. Which is better?


dry
 
2014-01-06 02:11:32 PM  
I attended an informal discussion of this very subject with Mr. Rizzo shortly after he retired from the CIA.  He retired in October 2009 (Per TFA) and the discussion occurred in late November 2009.  He is very good friends with the U.S. District Court Judge that taught my Evidence class in law school.  Mr. Rizzo was in town for another gathering and spent one class period speaking with us.  One of the students asked him about his role in the CIA's approval of Enhanced Interrogation techniques.  He was surprisingly candid about the entire subject.  I fully expected him to claim that the information was classified, but he spoke pretty freely about the matter.

When the CIA operatives asked him about using EITs, he had no idea what they intended.  After he was informed on what methods the operatives planned to use and the reasons for doing so, he initial reaction was "Absolutely not!"  But as part of his due diligence he submitted the question to the Justice Department.  He expected the Justice Department to return an answer of "No" as well.  However, that is not the answer he received.  The rest is kind of history at this point.

One of the students asked him if he had any regrets about his role in the affair.  He said it bothered him how blown out of proportion the whole thing ended up becoming.  By the time he was talking with the class, the public viewpoint was that every enemy combatant that was captured was subjected to EIT.  That was not the case at all.  He explained, the operatives used regular interrogation techniques on anybody that the operatives thought could provide useful information.  However, there were about half a dozen detainees that the operatives knew where higher up the chain of command and knew valuable information about future attacks.  Those detainees had also received training in Interrogation tactics and thus the normal tactics did not crack those few detainees.  That is why the operatives asked if other methods could be used.  He regretted that, while the EITs were used, it was against a specific set of detainees for very specific reasons and he did not like how everything else the CIA did became clouded by the public viewpoint that the CIA was just going around torturing everybody.  Incidentally, he also mentioned that the EITs were successful in pulling information that helped to stop future attacks, although he could not discuss those details.

His only other regret was that he trusted politicians to not be politicians.  He explained that after the Justice Department gave the green light to the CIA, every member of Congress and the Administration that needed to know were told what was going to happen.  They all signed off on it.  Part of that green light was that the CIA personnel would not be held responsible if the information about the EITs ever became public.  But as you are well aware, the information did go public and it had a huge backlash.  Then as politicians always do, they switched sides.  He was angry that certain members of Congress, after the information became public, claimed that they had no knowledge of it and if they did they would have stopped it.  He said, they all knew and they all gave it approval.  But now it was politically convenient to throw the CIA under the bus.

All in all, it was an interesting discussion.

\csb
 
2014-01-06 02:13:06 PM  

whither_apophis: "Barbacue or barbecue not. There is no fry"


Fixy'd
 
2014-01-06 02:17:51 PM  
cdn.walltowatch.com
 
2014-01-06 02:18:59 PM  
Come to the CIA BBBQ, the extra B is for BYOBB
 
2014-01-06 02:23:29 PM  
Drat. I was just getting used to the because mean and now it's barbeque.
 
2014-01-06 02:23:48 PM  
Not-so-secret CIA barbeque technique:

Step 1: Go to Fark Politics tab, add post that reads "Enough with all the whining about torture. We tortured under Bush, we're torturing under Obama, everybody's cool with torture. What we truthfully don't like are tattletales like Assange and Snowden making our preferred political side look bad."

Step 2: Season to tastelessness with quotes from the Clintons, the Bushes, Benjamin Franklin, Rush Limbaugh, Hitler, George Lucas, John Stewart, more Hitler, Taylor Swift, a dash more Hitler, and so on. For added flavor, avoid the standard shopworn quotes and spice up the mix with more exotic, off-topic statements. If you're feeling especially creative, whip up your own fresh quotations and garnish with whatever attributions seem best.

Step 3: Allow to simmer for at least ten to twelve replies, then increase the derp and adjust the goalposts. Repeat as necessary until the thread reaches peak temperature.

Step 4: Stir in alt posts to thicken the sauce, then serve and enjoy as many sacred cows as you can roast.
 
2014-01-06 02:24:14 PM  

gimmegimme: So we're still jailing people for having small quantities of marijuana, but everyone who authorized torture is still walking free, right?

USA!  USA!


Where are we doing this exactly?
 
2014-01-06 02:25:20 PM  
Sorry, I mean "meme". I was not being a smart ass.

Well, maybe a little.

Let's try this again:


Drat. I was just getting used to the because meme and now it's barbeque.

There. Curse you Automatic Spellchecker!
 
2014-01-06 02:26:24 PM  

macross87: The headline was the worst


It's spelled wurst.

Maybe I shouldn't talk right now. I'll be over there.
 
2014-01-06 02:27:26 PM  

special20: You know, those Buddhist monks know how to do an awesome barbecue.


The extra ingredient is nothing.
 
2014-01-06 02:32:06 PM  
 
2014-01-06 02:35:33 PM  

Maud Dib: ArcadianRefugee: McGrits: Is this real barbecue where one cooks with indirect heat and smoke? Or is this the backyard party where people grill burgers and hotdogs?

Who cares? The real question is, which is the best style of barbecue? Texas? Carolina? Memphis? Kansas City?

It's perfectly clear.
Franklin BBQ, Austin, Texas, baby.
Best in the US.

[andrewzimmern.com image 850x531]


So hungry...

/does Canada have a "BBQ" category?
 
2014-01-06 02:43:47 PM  
"Depending on your politics and your views on waterboarding, that may make these figures more relatable and human, their decisions that much more wrenching.
Or it may make them seem cowardly."


Well, I'm a bleeding-heart liberal, I despise waterboarding, and no, it doesn't make them seem cowardly. It makes them flawed people who were, like everyone else, afraid--and still does not excuse what they, or we as a nation, did.

/No real opinion on barbeque, so.
//My dad tends to burn everything he grills. I do like grilled hot dogs, though...
 
2014-01-06 02:44:38 PM  

Banned on the Run: [cdn.walltowatch.com image 560x814]


Aaaaannnndddd I laughed out loud in a dead-quiet office.
 
2014-01-06 02:54:09 PM  

Odoriferous Queef: Maud Dib: Odoriferous Queef: Maud Dib:
It's perfectly clear.
Franklin BBQ, Austin, Texas, baby.
Best in the US.

Blacks in Lockheart Texas.

I've been to Blacks many times. It's damn good, but it pales in comparison to Franklin.

I will have to put Franklin on my list then.


Das Fuhrer says go early
 
2014-01-06 02:54:54 PM  
I barbecued this headline with a better barbeque.
 
2014-01-06 03:01:33 PM  
I just had to quit reading about a third of the way in barbeque it was just getting old.
 
2014-01-06 03:02:11 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: McGrits: Is this real barbecue where one cooks with indirect heat and smoke? Or is this the backyard party where people grill burgers and hotdogs?

Who cares? The real question is, which is the best style of barbecue? Texas? Carolina? Memphis? Kansas City?


This will help.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ubTQfr_tyY

/grilling is not BBQ.
 
2014-01-06 03:07:04 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: McGrits: Is this real barbecue where one cooks with indirect heat and smoke? Or is this the backyard party where people grill burgers and hotdogs?

Who cares? The real question is, which is the best style of barbecue? Texas? Carolina? Memphis? Kansas City?


Carolina.
 
2014-01-06 03:09:31 PM  
Umm what exactly did the subby mean to say?
 
2014-01-06 03:11:42 PM  

pnome: ArcadianRefugee: McGrits: Is this real barbecue where one cooks with indirect heat and smoke? Or is this the backyard party where people grill burgers and hotdogs?

Who cares? The real question is, which is the best style of barbecue? Texas? Carolina? Memphis? Kansas City?

Carolina.


Brazil
 
2014-01-06 03:13:00 PM  

ThreadSinger: Maud Dib: ArcadianRefugee: McGrits: Is this real barbecue where one cooks with indirect heat and smoke? Or is this the backyard party where people grill burgers and hotdogs?

Who cares? The real question is, which is the best style of barbecue? Texas? Carolina? Memphis? Kansas City?

It's perfectly clear.
Franklin BBQ, Austin, Texas, baby.
Best in the US.

[andrewzimmern.com image 850x531]

So hungry...

/does Canada have a "BBQ" category?


We do, but it's just hot hogs cooked over a 6 foot bonfire while drinking at a provincial park during the May 2-4 long weekend. Not as tasty, but a lot of fun (especially when the first idiot decides to jump over the fire).
 
2014-01-06 03:13:03 PM  

FrancoFile: Principal caught bulgogi?


Mmmm, firemeat.
 
2014-01-06 03:13:54 PM  
Waterboarding with bbq sauce?
 
2014-01-06 03:14:34 PM  
The CIA's program of rendition, grilling people for weeks on end HAS TO STOP
 
2014-01-06 03:14:43 PM  
nstarzone.com

/ Texas
 
2014-01-06 03:23:30 PM  
Thanks a lot everyone, now I'm starving.

Off to Holy Smoke.
 
2014-01-06 03:24:27 PM  
Yeah hope your book ends up in the bargain bin and used to hold up table legs to keep them from wobbling.


That said I would like to go to a CIA BBQ it would probably have a great spread. I can imagine an old KGB BBQ would have just had donkey ribs and cabbage rolls.
 
2014-01-06 03:25:03 PM  
img.fark.net

I AM THE BBQer
 
2014-01-06 03:31:05 PM  
Great, now I'm hungry.
 
2014-01-06 03:31:11 PM  

jshine: Has anyone noticed that there's a typo in the headline?



No, watermelon is it?
 
2014-01-06 03:31:59 PM  
I can see a reasonable person agreeing or disagreeing with this, but for the OMG BUSH-HITLER derpers, you do realize this was only done to three people.  Three very high level very bad people.  Random goat herders caught up in a battle in a cave in Pakistan were not subjected to this.  Also, are you people aware that the worst thing that was done is waterboarding?  Which sounds terrifying and I'd not like to undergo it, but it's basically about the lightest form of "torture" I can imagine.  In fact, it sounds like a liberals wet dream idea of what torture should be.  We are not talking about chopping off fingers and breaking bones or electrical shock.

Other than really not liking Bush since 2000, I don't get the intensity of the hate over this.
 
2014-01-06 03:32:13 PM  
Brisket or Pork?
 
2014-01-06 03:32:30 PM  
Both sides are bad, so barbeque.
 
2014-01-06 03:33:22 PM  

Odoriferous Queef: Maud Dib: ArcadianRefugee: McGrits: Is this real barbecue where one cooks with indirect heat and smoke? Or is this the backyard party where people grill burgers and hotdogs?

Who cares? The real question is, which is the best style of barbecue? Texas? Carolina? Memphis? Kansas City?

It's perfectly clear.
Franklin BBQ, Austin, Texas, baby.
Best in the US.

Blacks in Lockheart Texas.


That's racist.
 
GBB
2014-01-06 03:37:42 PM  
Ask not what your country can barbecue.
Ask what cue can barbe your country.
 
2014-01-06 03:38:03 PM  

Odoriferous Queef: Maud Dib: ArcadianRefugee: McGrits: Is this real barbecue where one cooks with indirect heat and smoke? Or is this the backyard party where people grill burgers and hotdogs?

Who cares? The real question is, which is the best style of barbecue? Texas? Carolina? Memphis? Kansas City?

It's perfectly clear.
Franklin BBQ, Austin, Texas, baby.
Best in the US.

Blacks in Lockheart Texas.


I like Snow's and Smitty's more than Black's.  I am becoming partial to Pecan Lodge, but that is mainly because North Texas has very few legit BBQ places.  Franklin's is very good.
 
2014-01-06 03:42:10 PM  
Maud Dib:
Franklin BBQ, Austin, Texas, baby.
Best in the US.


...best in that part of Austin you mean. =)
 
2014-01-06 03:42:12 PM  

Maud Dib: ArcadianRefugee: McGrits: Is this real barbecue where one cooks with indirect heat and smoke? Or is this the backyard party where people grill burgers and hotdogs?

Who cares? The real question is, which is the best style of barbecue? Texas? Carolina? Memphis? Kansas City?

It's perfectly clear.
Franklin BBQ, Austin, Texas, baby.
Best in the US.

[andrewzimmern.com image 850x531]


I would move to Texas for food like that....
 
2014-01-06 03:45:04 PM  

belhade: whither_apophis: "Barbacue or barbecue not. There is no fry"

Fixy'd


Well done

(But not burnt)
 
2014-01-06 03:46:10 PM  

MycroftHolmes: Odoriferous Queef: Maud Dib: ArcadianRefugee: McGrits: Is this real barbecue where one cooks with indirect heat and smoke? Or is this the backyard party where people grill burgers and hotdogs?


Blacks in Lockheart Texas.


blackpeoplemeat.com
 
2014-01-06 03:48:26 PM  

Maud Dib: ArcadianRefugee: McGrits: Is this real barbecue where one cooks with indirect heat and smoke? Or is this the backyard party where people grill burgers and hotdogs?

Who cares? The real question is, which is the best style of barbecue? Texas? Carolina? Memphis? Kansas City?

It's perfectly clear.
Franklin BBQ, Austin, Texas, baby.
Best in the US.

[andrewzimmern.com image 850x531]


Kudo's for getting the brisket moist.  Most people think the best part is the flat.  Those people are stupid.  Though Franklin's lean brisket is better than most.
 
2014-01-06 03:50:29 PM  

doublesecretprobation: barbeque is always the right choice.


No. Never barbeque. Always barbecue.
 
2014-01-06 04:00:34 PM  
thoughtcatalog.files.wordpress.com

To be honest, I don't think I'd be brave enough to chose barbecue either.
 
2014-01-06 04:03:52 PM  

MycroftHolmes: I like Snow's and Smitty's more than Black's. I am becoming partial to Pecan Lodge, but that is mainly because North Texas has very few legit BBQ places. Franklin's is very good.


I prefer Black's over Smitty's.  I'll have to check out Snow's.  I'll be down there in a month or so.
 
2014-01-06 04:12:14 PM  
The government needs to do a better job of keeping secrets away from the fickle public.  Enhanced interrogation is a necessary aspect of the intelligence mission, but clearly, much of the public doesn't have the stomach to swallow those difficult truths.
 
2014-01-06 04:14:30 PM  

Odoriferous Queef: MycroftHolmes: I like Snow's and Smitty's more than Black's. I am becoming partial to Pecan Lodge, but that is mainly because North Texas has very few legit BBQ places. Franklin's is very good.

I prefer Black's over Smitty's.  I'll have to check out Snow's.  I'll be down there in a month or so.


I have sadt before and I will say it again, I prefer Smitty's because the pitmaster looks like Grossberger from Stir Crazy.

www.texasmonthly.com

www.chud.com

Can't recommend Kreuz because I can never spell it correctly.
 
2014-01-06 04:18:07 PM  
Sadly, this is not the memoir of the CIA lawyer who is spending the rest of his life on death row.
 
2014-01-06 04:20:20 PM  

MycroftHolmes: Odoriferous Queef: MycroftHolmes: I like Snow's and Smitty's more than Black's. I am becoming partial to Pecan Lodge, but that is mainly because North Texas has very few legit BBQ places. Franklin's is very good.

I prefer Black's over Smitty's.  I'll have to check out Snow's.  I'll be down there in a month or so.

I have sadt before and I will say it again, I prefer Smitty's because the pitmaster looks like Grossberger from Stir Crazy.

[www.texasmonthly.com image 610x349]

[www.chud.com image 350x224]

Can't recommend Kreuz because I can never spell it correctly.


Damn. He sure does.
I wont eat at Kreuz again.  Did once and the staff were a bunch of assholes.
 
2014-01-06 04:21:20 PM  

mekkab: ArcadianRefugee: McGrits: Is this real barbecue where one cooks with indirect heat and smoke? Or is this the backyard party where people grill burgers and hotdogs?

Who cares? The real question is, which is the best style of barbecue? Texas? Carolina? Memphis? Kansas City?

What about Jersey BBQ?

[localtvwqad.files.wordpress.com image 850x1138]


NEVER!!! Ewwwwwwww.............

Do these 'orange people' not realize how horrid they truly look?!? Do they NOT have mirrors up there?
 
2014-01-06 04:23:04 PM  

CJHardin: Prince George: How bad does one have to spell because to get it to spell-check and barbeque.

How bad does one have to spell as to get it to spell-check as and?.


How bad does one have to spell "auto-correct" to get it to auto-correct as "spell-check"?
 
2014-01-06 04:25:49 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: [www.littlemonsterscomic.com image 702x473]
Approve


the cutest image to ever have anything to do w/ torture ever.

/they're a holiday staple in the Breygon residence
//the muppets, not torture
///torture comes from working w/ those blue spruces (their needles hurt like a SoB)
 
2014-01-06 04:37:00 PM  

FlashHarry: always preview before submittingauto-greenlighting, barbecue you could end up with a silly or nonsensical headline.


FTFY
 
2014-01-06 04:38:43 PM  

groppet: I can imagine an old KGB BBQ would have just had donkey ribs and cabbage rolls.


Those weren't from donkeys.
 
2014-01-06 04:43:28 PM  

KidneyStone: ArcadianRefugee: McGrits: Is this real barbecue where one cooks with indirect heat and smoke? Or is this the backyard party where people grill burgers and hotdogs?

Who cares? The real question is, which is the best style of barbecue? Texas? Carolina? Memphis? Kansas City?

This will help.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ubTQfr_tyY

/grilling is not BBQ.


Funny vid. I like how Florida was shaped like California.

As for the Austin Texas BBQ discussion, I have been to Louie Mueller's in Taylor. Damn good stuff.

Having now moved to Detroit, I am glad I can cook my own.
 
2014-01-06 04:51:43 PM  
"Chose not barbecue" has such a tragic, Shakespearean ring to it.
 
2014-01-06 04:53:36 PM  
I went to Dallas in October.....I went to the Pecan Lodge...it.....changed me....

I used to hate brisket and wonder what all the fuss was about.

We stood in line in some damn farmer's market for over an hour and I was ready to not like it, and then i bit into that brisket; it was like a waterfall made of warm, velveteen blankets the color of liquid gold enrobed my tongue and rode it like a 5000 dollar hooker. It was amazing. I actually sat there, stunned after I was done and had to prepare myself for another bite. It was the only time in my life I truly appreciated fine food, and I have eaten Robuchon and Ducasse's finest offerings. I don't care if it is stupid, smoky caveman meat....that was as religious experience as this athiest has ever had.

I have seen God, and he is the non-English speaking, 50-year old Mexican who cooked that brisket at the Pecan Lodge.
 
2014-01-06 04:59:23 PM  
I'm confused. Were the prisoners being barbecued as torture, or was he barbecuing while the torture was going on, or both? Or, is there another possibility that I haven't even considered?
 
2014-01-06 04:59:37 PM  
I hate to break it to everyone, but currently, the nations best BBQ is currently coming from Richmond Virginia
 
2014-01-06 05:01:04 PM  

Wizzywig: We stood in line in some damn farmer's market for over an hour and I was ready to not like it, and then i bit into that brisket; it was like a waterfall made of warm, velveteen blankets the color of liquid gold enrobed my tongue and rode it like a 5000 dollar hooker.


I.
Hate/Loathe/Despise.
You.

/Mindbleach. Stat!
 
2014-01-06 05:02:58 PM  

hitlersbrain: I support giving prisoners the choice of water boarding or barbeque.


And for dessert, Cake or Death!
 
2014-01-06 05:08:17 PM  
xaxor.com
 
2014-01-06 05:16:10 PM  

whatsupchuck: Note to self: Stop submitting coherent headlines because gibberish altitude galoshes sandwich.


That got a legitimate LOL out of me. In other words, I barbequed it.
 
2014-01-06 05:24:30 PM  

pnome: ArcadianRefugee: McGrits: Is this real barbecue where one cooks with indirect heat and smoke? Or is this the backyard party where people grill burgers and hotdogs?

Who cares? The real question is, which is the best style of barbecue? Texas? Carolina? Memphis? Kansas City?

Carolina.


Santa Maria style tri-tip.

/hides and watches with popcorn
//though it really is great when done properly
 
2014-01-06 05:36:52 PM  

Wizzywig: I have seen GodJesus, and he is the non-English speaking, 50-year old Mexican who cooked that brisket at the Pecan Lodge.


FTFY.
 
2014-01-06 05:39:20 PM  
I started reading the thread then forgot what the headline was about.
 
2014-01-06 05:43:21 PM  
It's unfortunate that subby messed up the headline and created this unintentional semi meme. The actual article is actually pretty darn good and gives us  a small glimpse on EIT and the politics behind it.
 
2014-01-06 05:44:19 PM  

Maud Dib: Franklin BBQ, Austin, Texas, baby.


Both Franklin BBQ and Google Fiber started in Austin after I left.

FML.
 
2014-01-06 05:44:49 PM  

you are a puppet: Come to the CIA BBBQ, the extra B is for BYOBB


So, CIA barbeque barbeque bring your own barbeque q?

/barbeque barbeque barbeque
 
2014-01-06 05:51:05 PM  

DirkTheDaring: pnome: ArcadianRefugee: McGrits: Is this real barbecue where one cooks with indirect heat and smoke? Or is this the backyard party where people grill burgers and hotdogs?

Who cares? The real question is, which is the best style of barbecue? Texas? Carolina? Memphis? Kansas City?

Carolina.

Brazil


Korean.

steamykitchen.com
s3-media2.ak.yelpcdn.com
 
2014-01-06 05:55:13 PM  

veedeevadeevoodee: Odoriferous Queef: Maud Dib: Odoriferous Queef: Maud Dib:
It's perfectly clear.
Franklin BBQ, Austin, Texas, baby.
Best in the US.

Blacks in Lockheart Texas.

I've been to Blacks many times. It's damn good, but it pales in comparison to Franklin.

I will have to put Franklin on my list then.

Das Fuhrer says go early


Dang, how did I miss that one?
 
2014-01-06 06:02:59 PM  

Mambo Bananapatch: DirkTheDaring: pnome: ArcadianRefugee: McGrits: Is this real barbecue where one cooks with indirect heat and smoke? Or is this the backyard party where people grill burgers and hotdogs?

Who cares? The real question is, which is the best style of barbecue? Texas? Carolina? Memphis? Kansas City?

Carolina.

Brazil

Korean.

[steamykitchen.com image 500x333]
[s3-media2.ak.yelpcdn.com image 533x400]



Hey now -- don't get Caturday started this early.
 
2014-01-06 06:28:58 PM  
Thank you mods for leaving this intact, and thank you Magorn for this late Christmas present. May your accidental memes be with us forever.

/The photos in this thread are seriously weakening my will against eating out tonight.
//HOTY
 
2014-01-06 06:32:55 PM  

Pawprint: CJHardin: Prince George: How bad does one have to spell because to get it to spell-check and barbeque.

How bad does one have to spell as to get it to spell-check as and?.

How bad does one have to spell "auto-correct" to get it to auto-correct as "spell-check"?


Yeah, I totally didn't barbecue that.
 
2014-01-06 06:49:10 PM  
And another great food-based meme is born. Fark has really barbequed the skrimps up to potato.
 
2014-01-06 07:05:02 PM  

Gyrfalcon: "Chose not barbecue" has such a tragic, Shakespearean ring to it.


When rendition, of the standard kind
Proved most ineffective, in the main
Rizzo could, with but a single stroke
Stop waterboarding ere it began
To put a halt on Gitmo's reign
Of torture and late night talk show fuel
Yet poor Rizzo chose not barbecue
And punted like it were fourth and long
 
2014-01-06 07:08:37 PM  

Jclark666: Gyrfalcon: "Chose not barbecue" has such a tragic, Shakespearean ring to it.

When rendition, of the standard kind
Proved most ineffective, in the main
Rizzo could, with but a single stroke
Stop waterboarding ere it began
To put a halt on Gitmo's reign
Of torture and late night talk show fuel
Yet poor Rizzo chose not barbecue
And punted like it were fourth and long


Doesn't scan.
 
2014-01-06 07:30:29 PM  

Maud Dib: ArcadianRefugee: McGrits: Is this real barbecue where one cooks with indirect heat and smoke? Or is this the backyard party where people grill burgers and hotdogs?

Who cares? The real question is, which is the best style of barbecue? Texas? Carolina? Memphis? Kansas City?

It's perfectly clear.
Franklin BBQ, Austin, Texas, baby.
Best in the US.

[andrewzimmern.com image 850x531]


That beef isn't nearly purple enough to taste good.
 
2014-01-06 07:36:50 PM  
farm8.staticflickr.com

That's what the extra B stands for.
 
2014-01-06 08:10:12 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: Jclark666: Gyrfalcon: "Chose not barbecue" has such a tragic, Shakespearean ring to it.

When rendition, of the standard kind
Proved most ineffective, in the main
Rizzo could, with but a single stroke
Stop waterboarding ere it began
To put a halt on Gitmo's reign
Of torture and late night talk show fuel
Yet poor Rizzo chose not barbecue
And punted like it were fourth and long

Doesn't scan.


It scans perfectly when read in the monotone of a CIA lawyer.
 
2014-01-06 08:23:29 PM  
"Someone cued me?"

www.notablebiographies.com
 
2014-01-06 09:02:32 PM  
Guess nobody told him torture doesn't work. The end result usually whatever the prisoner thinks his captors want to hear.

Meanwhile, the best way to get information is for the interrogator to become friends with the prisoner... then one day the prisoner starts talking about stuff all on his own and it's usually true.
 
2014-01-06 09:04:30 PM  
I love this barbecue so much.
 
2014-01-06 09:11:32 PM  
I don't know about you guys, but I torture people with the smell of a brisket...

Just a little longer...
..just a littttttle longer...

Soaked in brine for a while, then seared on each side until blackened, but not too blackened, then wrapped in foil 8-12 hours at about 235/250.

/but seriously, why don't they give the detainees acid or cocaine or both plus booze! - they'd never shut up.
 
2014-01-06 09:23:03 PM  

Jclark666: demaL-demaL-yeH: Jclark666: Gyrfalcon: "Chose not barbecue" has such a tragic, Shakespearean ring to it.

When rendition, of the standard kind
Proved most ineffective, in the main
Rizzo could, with but a single stroke
Stop waterboarding ere it began
To put a halt on Gitmo's reign
Of torture and late night talk show fuel
Yet poor Rizzo chose not barbecue
And punted like it were fourth and long

Doesn't scan.

It scans perfectly when read in the monotone of a CIA lawyer.


Rendition of the standard kind and form
Prov'd ineffective terrorists to bag
This Rizzo's course - his solemn oath foresworn
And failing duty signed this bane "Approv'd"
Thus torture 'gainst both law and heritage
This craven coward chose as CYA
The Hague, we hope, will host his barbecue

/Can't bring up a problem without offering a solution.
 
2014-01-06 09:25:14 PM  

SonOfSpam: Odoriferous Queef: Maud Dib: ArcadianRefugee: McGrits: Is this real barbecue where one cooks with indirect heat and smoke? Or is this the backyard party where people grill burgers and hotdogs?

Who cares? The real question is, which is the best style of barbecue? Texas? Carolina? Memphis? Kansas City?

It's perfectly clear.
Franklin BBQ, Austin, Texas, baby.
Best in the US.

Blacks in Lockheart Texas.

That's racist.


Something something barbecue blacks Texas....

www.rawstory.com
 
2014-01-06 09:25:43 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: Jclark666: demaL-demaL-yeH: Jclark666: Gyrfalcon: "Chose not barbecue" has such a tragic, Shakespearean ring to it.

When rendition, of the standard kind
Proved most ineffective, in the main
Rizzo could, with but a single stroke
Stop waterboarding ere it began
To put a halt on Gitmo's reign
Of torture and late night talk show fuel
Yet poor Rizzo chose not barbecue
And punted like it were fourth and long

Doesn't scan.

It scans perfectly when read in the monotone of a CIA lawyer.

Rendition of the standard kind and form
Prov'd ineffective terrorists to bag
This Rizzo's course - his solemn oath foresworn
And failing duty signed this bane "Approv'd"
Thus torture 'gainst both law and heritage
This craven coward chose as CYA
The Hague, we hope, will host his barbecue

/Can't bring up a problem without offering a solution.


Please note, dear Fark, I chose not barbecue
 
2014-01-06 11:46:59 PM  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1krJqn3smbI

These interrogators can handle my meat as long as they like.

More sauce please.
 
2014-01-07 12:17:31 AM  

CivicMindedFive: I can see a reasonable person agreeing or disagreeing with this, but for the OMG BUSH-HITLER derpers, you do realize this was only done to three people.  Three very high level very bad people.  Random goat herders caught up in a battle in a cave in Pakistan were not subjected to this.  Also, are you people aware that the worst thing that was done is waterboarding?  Which sounds terrifying and I'd not like to undergo it, but it's basically about the lightest form of "torture" I can imagine.  In fact, it sounds like a liberals wet dream idea of what torture should be.  We are not talking about chopping off fingers and breaking bones or electrical shock.

Other than really not liking Bush since 2000, I don't get the intensity of the hate over this.


SO MUCH THIS

Broken bones, electrical shocks, forced buttsecks ... that kind of torture only happens to ordinary American prisoners in domestic institutions, not actual terrorists.
 
2014-01-07 12:45:12 AM  
The tragic part is that today, guys like this CIA author have similarly covered their asses by deciding it is safer to kill those random goatherd / terror suspects rather than risk the embarrassment of locking up the wrong people at Guantanamo Bay and dealing with politics.

"And I'm fine with it," some State Department expert type said in an article I read recently, though I can't remember the cite. People are getting droned rather than locked up, because it's cleaner. It's literally like something from a Paul Verhoeven movie.
 
2014-01-07 02:00:39 AM  

fredbox: CivicMindedFive: I can see a reasonable person agreeing or disagreeing with this, but for the OMG BUSH-HITLER derpers, you do realize this was only done to three people.  Three very high level very bad people.  Random goat herders caught up in a battle in a cave in Pakistan were not subjected to this.  Also, are you people aware that the worst thing that was done is waterboarding?  Which sounds terrifying and I'd not like to undergo it, but it's basically about the lightest form of "torture" I can imagine.  In fact, it sounds like a liberals wet dream idea of what torture should be.  We are not talking about chopping off fingers and breaking bones or electrical shock.

Other than really not liking Bush since 2000, I don't get the intensity of the hate over this.

SO MUCH THIS

Broken bones, electrical shocks, forced buttsecks ... that kind of torture only happens to ordinary American prisoners in domestic institutions, not actual terrorists.


"Because there are worse things, we shouldn't care too much about this."
 
2014-01-07 10:30:16 AM  
lame.
 It's the tell-all note from a LAWYER who says the things he gave his okay to aren't really his fault.
past that
don't whine to me about the simulated drowning or discomfort of a few bad guys
...with the intent to save american lives
you really couldn't give a shiat beyond blaming bush for all the things
buncha manufactured outrage because of reasons
 
2014-01-07 11:35:55 AM  
Just another pulp fiction to shelve Shrub's library.
Ya can't rewrite history w/o a library full of books.
 
2014-01-07 03:49:04 PM  

smells_like_meat: Its only barbecue if you use charcoal


static.fjcdn.com
 
2014-01-07 04:26:14 PM  

smells_like_meat: Its only barbecue if you use charcoal


A purist would specify chunk hardwood charcoal.  An artist would specify charcoal in it's pre-char wood form.
 
2014-01-07 06:48:08 PM  

natas6.0: lame.
 It's the tell-all note from a LAWYER who says the things he gave his okay to aren't really his fault.
past that
don't whine to me about the simulated drowning or discomfort of a few bad guys
...with the intent to save american lives
you really couldn't give a shiat beyond blaming bush for all the things
buncha manufactured outrage because of reasons


How about somebody who trained interrogators telling you the following in no uncertain terms?
Torture does not lead to actionable or reliable intelligence because the subject will say anything at all to make it stop.
/Oh, wait. I just did.
 
2014-01-07 07:12:45 PM  
Fark you, subby.If he HAD signed and 10s/1000s died because of his actions you'd be biatchin that he didn't do the right thing then.MORE terrorists need harsher treatment not less.
 
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