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2014-01-06 09:31:33 AM
So any change in speed, direction, or gears will result in noticeable lag and the battery will be dead after 4 hours of driving? No thanks.
 
2014-01-06 10:28:24 AM

xenophon10k: So any change in speed, direction, or gears will result in noticeable lag and the battery will be dead after 4 hours of driving? No thanks.


Android, not iOS.

/Boom! This thread is off to a great start!!
 
2014-01-06 10:53:32 AM
But I'll have to root it first to get any real features. Why doesn't it just work?
 
2014-01-06 11:52:49 AM

xenophon10k: So any change in speed, direction, or gears will result in noticeable lag and the battery will be dead after 4 hours of driving? No thanks.


And you'll have to have an Antivirus program for your car.

Again, no thanks.
 
2014-01-06 11:54:15 AM

imashark: xenophon10k: So any change in speed, direction, or gears will result in noticeable lag and the battery will be dead after 4 hours of driving? No thanks.

And you'll have to have an Antivirus program for your car.

Again, no thanks.


^^^ That
 
2014-01-06 11:55:58 AM
...hey...why are most of the auto-driving system's lens face inward instead of out?
 
2014-01-06 12:11:08 PM
Google should start by optimizing its contact management software in its phone.  Just got a new Google phone and it took almost an hour to figure out how to change a phone number.  You don't do it through the phone app or contact list -- you have to go through Google Hangouts and get down about 5 levels in that crapware.
 
2014-01-06 12:12:52 PM

Slaxl: xenophon10k: So any change in speed, direction, or gears will result in noticeable lag and the battery will be dead after 4 hours of driving? No thanks.

Android, not iOS.

/Boom! This thread is off to a great start!!


Well, if a car was optimized for iOS, it would cost $100,000.  No thanks.
 
2014-01-06 12:14:56 PM

Smoky Dragon Dish: Slaxl: xenophon10k: So any change in speed, direction, or gears will result in noticeable lag and the battery will be dead after 4 hours of driving? No thanks.

Android, not iOS.

/Boom! This thread is off to a great start!!

Well, if a car was optimized for iOS, it would cost $100,000.  No thanks.


And it would only have rounded edges.
 
2014-01-06 12:18:55 PM
Meh, just get a Motorola "anything Photon Q 4G LTE and up".  Any of 'em have a pretty good vehicle mode.

FWIW, when we do have "Smart Cars", regardless of the OS it'll need an antivirus, especially if it's a Windows Car.
 
2014-01-06 12:21:42 PM

Omnivorous: Google should start by optimizing its contact management software in its phone.  Just got a new Google phone and it took almost an hour to figure out how to change a phone number.  You don't do it through the phone app or contact list -- you have to go through Google Hangouts and get down about 5 levels in that crapware.


Not to mention automatically adding all your gchat contacts to your phone list, BEFORE the contacts with phone numbers from your old phone.

That shiat has got to go.
 
2014-01-06 12:22:02 PM

Omnivorous: Google should start by optimizing its contact management software in its phone.  Just got a new Google phone and it took almost an hour to figure out how to change a phone number.  You don't do it through the phone app or contact list -- you have to go through Google Hangouts and get down about 5 levels in that crapware.


You must be running Kit Kat....  Search the market (or xda) and you'll find the old contacts/messaging app.  Use that.  I can't stand everything merged together in Hangouts.  Can't tell ya how many texts I messed because I silenced notifications when I was tired of hearing the chime whenever some of my groups would update.
 
2014-01-06 12:24:00 PM
I think this is a great idea.  Phones already do what carputers want to do, only much better.  Case in point:

I was driving with a friend in his brand new Infinity SUV.  He goes to show off his awesome built in GPS, that can be fully programmed via voice.  While it was pretty cool, all of the prompts and back and forth verification took about 3 minutes to get the address set up.  I picked up my phone and said "Ok google navigate to Bare burger in midtown manhattan".  Same address, way more convenient, and on the phone this is old technology.

The ideal scenario of course would be some kind of bluetooth video/touchscreen link up, where you actually use your phone with the car's dash and buttons.  Unfortunately, I doubt we'd ever see any kind of standardization on something like that.
 
2014-01-06 12:26:00 PM

fang06554: I think this is a great idea.  Phones already do what carputers want to do, only much better.  Case in point:

I was driving with a friend in his brand new Infinity SUV.  He goes to show off his awesome built in GPS, that can be fully programmed via voice.  While it was pretty cool, all of the prompts and back and forth verification took about 3 minutes to get the address set up.  I picked up my phone and said "Ok google navigate to Bare burger in midtown manhattan".  Same address, way more convenient, and on the phone this is old technology.

The ideal scenario of course would be some kind of bluetooth video/touchscreen link up, where you actually use your phone with the car's dash and buttons.  Unfortunately, I doubt we'd ever see any kind of standardization on something like that.


Really?
 
2014-01-06 12:31:27 PM
fang06554:  I picked up my phone and said "Ok google navigate to Bare burger in midtown manhattan".  Same address, way more convenient, and on the phone this is old technology.

A friend of mine doesn't have a cell phone at all but I impressed him when we were at a party and needed to make a beer run 5 minutes before the stores closed in an unfamiliar town "Navigate to nearest beer store".

Android saves the day!
 
2014-01-06 12:37:47 PM

Smoky Dragon Dish: Really?


Sorry, Infiniti.  I've only had one cup of coffee today.

/pretty sure I spelled Bare Burger correctly.
 
2014-01-06 12:39:44 PM
Jokes aside, I'd love to have Spotify and Google Navigation in my car without having to Bluetooth my phone to it. Having screens in the back seat with Netflix on it for the kids? Double awesome.
 
2014-01-06 12:39:46 PM

buttcat: Smoky Dragon Dish: Slaxl: xenophon10k: So any change in speed, direction, or gears will result in noticeable lag and the battery will be dead after 4 hours of driving? No thanks.

Android, not iOS.

/Boom! This thread is off to a great start!!

Well, if a car was optimized for iOS, it would cost $100,000.  No thanks.

And it would only have rounded edges.


And it would only be available in white. At first.
 
2014-01-06 12:45:46 PM

Smoky Dragon Dish: fang06554: I think this is a great idea.  Phones already do what carputers want to do, only much better.  Case in point:

I was driving with a friend in his brand new Infinity SUV.  He goes to show off his awesome built in GPS, that can be fully programmed via voice.  While it was pretty cool, all of the prompts and back and forth verification took about 3 minutes to get the address set up.  I picked up my phone and said "Ok google navigate to Bare burger in midtown manhattan".  Same address, way more convenient, and on the phone this is old technology.

The ideal scenario of course would be some kind of bluetooth video/touchscreen link up, where you actually use your phone with the car's dash and buttons.  Unfortunately, I doubt we'd ever see any kind of standardization on something like that.

Really?


Seems to me from their website that Bare Burger is exactly where someone driving an Infinity would eat.
 
2014-01-06 12:47:15 PM

Dr Jack Badofsky: buttcat: Smoky Dragon Dish: Slaxl: xenophon10k: So any change in speed, direction, or gears will result in noticeable lag and the battery will be dead after 4 hours of driving? No thanks.

Android, not iOS.

/Boom! This thread is off to a great start!!

Well, if a car was optimized for iOS, it would cost $100,000.  No thanks.

And it would only have rounded edges.

And it would only be available in white. At first.


And only comes in one size - the correct size of midsize sedan?

And you can only drive on expressly marketed roads and freeways?  If you go offroad, there is a chance the car will be disabled.

And for some reason, everyone else you see driving around the car will have cracked windshields.

/this is fun
 
2014-01-06 01:06:51 PM

meanmutton: Seems to me from their website that Bare Burger is exactly where someone driving an Infinity would eat.


Its not every day you get to eat an Ostrich burger.
 
2014-01-06 01:16:03 PM
I wish Microsoft would get in on this. I'm not liking the idea of Google being the only company that participates in the "Internet of things" market.
 
2014-01-06 01:25:47 PM

Marine1: I wish Microsoft would get in on this. I'm not liking the idea of Google being the only company that participates in the "Internet of things" market.


Let me bing that for you... said nobody, ever.
 
2014-01-06 01:35:48 PM

moike: Marine1: I wish Microsoft would get in on this. I'm not liking the idea of Google being the only company that participates in the "Internet of things" market.

Let me bing that for you... said nobody, ever.


Exactly. They got there too late.

/Bing isn't as bad as people make it out to be, really...
 
2014-01-06 01:38:53 PM

moike: Marine1: I wish Microsoft would get in on this. I'm not liking the idea of Google being the only company that participates in the "Internet of things" market.

Let me bing that for you... said nobody, ever.


Nu uh! Peter Parker did.
 
2014-01-06 01:47:25 PM

Marine1: I wish Microsoft would get in on this. I'm not liking the idea of Google being the only company that participates in the "Internet of things" market.


Ford Sync is by Microsoft and works pretty well.
 
2014-01-06 01:56:15 PM

SpectroBoy: Marine1: I wish Microsoft would get in on this. I'm not liking the idea of Google being the only company that participates in the "Internet of things" market.

Ford Sync is by Microsoft and works pretty well.


ehh... The company I work for has some fleet vehicles with Sync and I'm not impressed.
 
2014-01-06 02:00:04 PM

ampoliros: SpectroBoy: Marine1: I wish Microsoft would get in on this. I'm not liking the idea of Google being the only company that participates in the "Internet of things" market.

Ford Sync is by Microsoft and works pretty well.

ehh... The company I work for has some fleet vehicles with Sync and I'm not impressed.


I've been using it for a few years in my car. All and all, a good product. 

That being said, it's not a platform you develop for and isn't something that's put in cars outside of Ford's offerings. It's not equivalent to this.
 
2014-01-06 02:02:15 PM

SpectroBoy: Marine1: I wish Microsoft would get in on this. I'm not liking the idea of Google being the only company that participates in the "Internet of things" market.

Ford Sync is by Microsoft and works pretty well.


Ford Sync works ok.  I wish it had more tie-ins with my android.   There have also been plenty of times I've wanted to strangle my car trying to use the sync voice commands though.  Like the days that no matter what Pandora station I tell it to tune to, it decides that I must always mean Pantera radio.

Me - "Play station Disney Radio"
Sync - "Playing station Pantera Radio";
Me - "Play station Classical Radio"
Sync - "Playing station Pantera Radio"

This happens with dialing phone contacts, too.  Just not quite as often.
 
2014-01-06 02:16:12 PM

Driedsponge: SpectroBoy: Marine1: I wish Microsoft would get in on this. I'm not liking the idea of Google being the only company that participates in the "Internet of things" market.

Ford Sync is by Microsoft and works pretty well.

Ford Sync works ok.  I wish it had more tie-ins with my android.   There have also been plenty of times I've wanted to strangle my car trying to use the sync voice commands though.  Like the days that no matter what Pandora station I tell it to tune to, it decides that I must always mean Pantera radio.

Me - "Play station Disney Radio"
Sync - "Playing station Pantera Radio";
Me - "Play station Classical Radio"
Sync - "Playing station Pantera Radio"

This happens with dialing phone contacts, too.  Just not quite as often.


Dude, when I first met Girl Wonder she had just got her brand new Mustang complete with the Microsoft 'Sync' package.  She wanted to impress me with how 'smart' her Mustang was and started trying to get Sync to simply make a hands free phonecall over bluetooth.

She had to stop after a couple minutes of screaming at the dash because the Laurel and Hardy routine she inadvertently got going between her and Sync had me laughing so hard I thought I was going to piss myself.

I showed her how she could rename her favorite playlist to 'some music you farking useless whore' could at least give her some satisfaction dealing with Sync.
 
2014-01-06 02:37:32 PM
So brainwashed douchebags and paid shills will be spreading lies about iOS-enabled cars now too? Ask for overtime pay for that, losers.
 
2014-01-06 04:22:48 PM

bingethinker: So brainwashed douchebags and paid shills will be spreading lies about iOS-enabled cars now too? Ask for overtime pay for that, losers.


Lighten up, jeez.
 
2014-01-06 04:27:10 PM
"Wouldn't it be be great if we could project ads right into your dreams?"
 
2014-01-06 05:04:30 PM

barefoot in the head: "Wouldn't it be be great if we could project ads right into your dreams?"


That's crazy talk!
 
2014-01-06 05:05:26 PM

SpectroBoy: Marine1: I wish Microsoft would get in on this. I'm not liking the idea of Google being the only company that participates in the "Internet of things" market.

Ford Sync is by Microsoft and works pretty well.


Not in my experience.

The UI for it seems to be designed for driver distraction. There are way too many points where attempting to use the voice interface expects you to look away from the road in order to select from a list. I'm also disappointed that the list of supported applications is tiny.

I like the idea behind Sync (it's why I bought my Ford Fusion Hybrid), but the actual implementation is really clumsy and shows a complete lack of understanding for how vehicular UI should work, IMO.
 
2014-01-06 05:08:44 PM

fang06554: I was driving with a friend in his brand new Infinity SUV.  He goes to show off his awesome built in GPS, that can be fully programmed via voice.  While it was pretty cool, all of the prompts and back and forth verification took about 3 minutes to get the address set up.  I picked up my phone and said "Ok google navigate to Bare burger in midtown manhattan".  Same address, way more convenient, and on the phone this is old technology.


Google Maps is just plain superior to everything else for navigation. I end up using it more often than my car's GPS. Believe me, the first company that comes out with integrated Google Maps in their vehicles will have my attention when it's time to replace the current car.
 
2014-01-06 05:12:36 PM
I am seriously getting creeped out by Google now.

Honestly, they're getting very "Big Brother" these days. They track everything you do on the Internet. They drive around in cars taking pictures of your neighborhood and picking up your WiFi traffic. They insert Google+ into everything they offer now. They want people to walk around wearing Telescreen Goggles that are not only equipped with cameras and microphones, but are linked and uploading to the mothership all the time and capable of sending a recorded snippet to YouTube 3 seconds after you record it.

And now they want to keep track of our cars, our driving habits, our destinations...

Why are people not rejecting these things outright? I remember when Google's motto was "don't be evil", but now they're all about violating privacy every way they can.
 
2014-01-06 05:22:08 PM

ZeroCorpse: I am seriously getting creeped out by Google now.

Honestly, they're getting very "Big Brother" these days. They track everything you do on the Internet. They drive around in cars taking pictures of your neighborhood and picking up your WiFi traffic. They insert Google+ into everything they offer now. They want people to walk around wearing Telescreen Goggles that are not only equipped with cameras and microphones, but are linked and uploading to the mothership all the time and capable of sending a recorded snippet to YouTube 3 seconds after you record it.

And now they want to keep track of our cars, our driving habits, our destinations...

Why are people not rejecting these things outright? I remember when Google's motto was "don't be evil", but now they're all about violating privacy every way they can.


Wait, what?

Wasn't that whole wardriving thing Google did just picking up the names and locations of wifi's, to help with location services? No monitoring of traffics as far as I remember.

So they try to increase usage of one of their products in other products of theirs. I'm not in favour of it but it's not creepy.

Do you really think the Google Goggles will be constantly uploading audio and video? That would take huge amounts of power, and data. Also i'm sure the equipment would heat up under such intense use, like a phone does. No way will that ever be.
 
2014-01-06 05:34:27 PM

Some 'Splainin' To Do: SpectroBoy: Marine1: I wish Microsoft would get in on this. I'm not liking the idea of Google being the only company that participates in the "Internet of things" market.

Ford Sync is by Microsoft and works pretty well.

Not in my experience.

The UI for it seems to be designed for driver distraction. There are way too many points where attempting to use the voice interface expects you to look away from the road in order to select from a list. I'm also disappointed that the list of supported applications is tiny.

I like the idea behind Sync (it's why I bought my Ford Fusion Hybrid), but the actual implementation is really clumsy and shows a complete lack of understanding for how vehicular UI should work, IMO.


I've got the simpler version from 2009. 

Is it all voice or a mixture of text and voice?
 
2014-01-06 06:20:06 PM

Marine1: Some 'Splainin' To Do: SpectroBoy: Marine1: I wish Microsoft would get in on this. I'm not liking the idea of Google being the only company that participates in the "Internet of things" market.

Ford Sync is by Microsoft and works pretty well.

Not in my experience.

The UI for it seems to be designed for driver distraction. There are way too many points where attempting to use the voice interface expects you to look away from the road in order to select from a list. I'm also disappointed that the list of supported applications is tiny.

I like the idea behind Sync (it's why I bought my Ford Fusion Hybrid), but the actual implementation is really clumsy and shows a complete lack of understanding for how vehicular UI should work, IMO.

I've got the simpler version from 2009. 

Is it all voice or a mixture of text and voice?


It's a mix.

IMO, you should be able to use voice to do things like searching for POIs and setting them as destinations but it is truly cumbersome and, as I said, often requires you to look away from the road to see what's on the screen. The Ui is particularly fond of numbered lists and likes to make you choose numeric entries from those lists which requires you to take your eyes off the road.

I stopped using it after realizing that it was seriously impacting my ability to drive, so now I make sure to just set my destinations via the touch screen while I'm parked.  Even there I'm often surprised at how many basic UI decisions seem to be driven by engineering and programming convenience rather than rational UI design. An example is having the entry order be by street then city then address number, all in discrete input boxes which, again, snap to numbered lists as you home in on it (which means that you often end up selecting the wrong city because it pops up the list and you're still trying to type on the space where the new list is painted).

I can perfectly understand why the developers wanted to do it that way (parsing text is more effort), but I don't understand why they think that's what their customers want.
 
2014-01-06 07:10:00 PM

Some 'Splainin' To Do: Marine1: Some 'Splainin' To Do: SpectroBoy: Marine1: I wish Microsoft would get in on this. I'm not liking the idea of Google being the only company that participates in the "Internet of things" market.

Ford Sync is by Microsoft and works pretty well.

Not in my experience.

The UI for it seems to be designed for driver distraction. There are way too many points where attempting to use the voice interface expects you to look away from the road in order to select from a list. I'm also disappointed that the list of supported applications is tiny.

I like the idea behind Sync (it's why I bought my Ford Fusion Hybrid), but the actual implementation is really clumsy and shows a complete lack of understanding for how vehicular UI should work, IMO.

I've got the simpler version from 2009. 

Is it all voice or a mixture of text and voice?

It's a mix.

IMO, you should be able to use voice to do things like searching for POIs and setting them as destinations but it is truly cumbersome and, as I said, often requires you to look away from the road to see what's on the screen. The Ui is particularly fond of numbered lists and likes to make you choose numeric entries from those lists which requires you to take your eyes off the road.

I stopped using it after realizing that it was seriously impacting my ability to drive, so now I make sure to just set my destinations via the touch screen while I'm parked.  Even there I'm often surprised at how many basic UI decisions seem to be driven by engineering and programming convenience rather than rational UI design. An example is having the entry order be by street then city then address number, all in discrete input boxes which, again, snap to numbered lists as you home in on it (which means that you often end up selecting the wrong city because it pops up the list and you're still trying to type on the space where the new list is painted).

I can perfectly understand why the developers wanted to do it that way (parsing text is more e ...


Tbh, I've never found any car-based GPS system to be easy, but I haven't used many. Mine doesn't include a GPS. I just use my smartphone.

I think it'd be easier to just pipe commands through the hardware to a smartphone and vice-versa. Easier to upgrade and update.
 
2014-01-06 07:26:18 PM

Marine1: I think it'd be easier to just pipe commands through the hardware to a smartphone and vice-versa. Easier to upgrade and update.


I agree. Let my smartphone drive the intelligence and make the car just a terminal for it.
 
2014-01-06 07:59:52 PM

Mr. Fuzzypaws: But I'll have to root it first to get any real features. Why doesn't it just work?


Actually, the first version will have lots of promise with it's open design, but be lacking in features and stability. The second version will come out and surpass the other manufacturer's features and price. Version 3 will have bloatware that if removed, will prevent you from getting software updates without flashing a clean install, removing all saved settings.

/Seriously Google, why the fark do I need to have the News & Weather widget installed to get 4.2.2?
//Not that upset, since they also obfuscated the app ops settings app in 4.2, making it tough to deny specific permissions to apps.
 
2014-01-06 11:02:09 PM
As already mentioned Microsoft has been doing this for many years for several car manufacturers.

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsembedded/en-us/auto.aspx
 
2014-01-07 12:12:08 AM
Drivers wasn't distracting enough using their smartphones clearly?
 
2014-01-07 02:58:59 AM
I would just be happy if car makers would enable the same media functionality they have for icrap for android.  Pisses me off that I can plug an apple product into my car and get playlists, ect but not with my android.  The rest I couldn't give a shiat about.
 
2014-01-07 07:51:27 AM
Fark Headline : Google wants to "optimize" cars for Android, because drivers using their smartphones clearly wasn't distracting enough

Actual tagline : The Open Automotive Alliance (OAA) will attempt to "optimize" Android for in-vehicle use.

Meh.
 
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