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(FastCo Design)   The perfect box. No, that is not a euphemism   (fastcodesign.com ) divider line
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5242 clicks; posted to Geek » on 06 Jan 2014 at 11:55 AM (2 years ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



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2014-01-06 12:02:56 PM  
It requires adhesive.

BOX FAIL!
 
2014-01-06 12:08:53 PM  
No it is not.
 
2014-01-06 12:09:31 PM  
I'm sure it will never just come apart and completely unfold during shipping.  What about moving.  When you are ready to unpack at your new place, do you really want the box to just completely fall flat, spilling the contents?

Seems very situational and highly insecure and yes, it does use tap.  It's just double sided tape that is pre-applied for you.
 
2014-01-06 12:11:55 PM  
Can I put my dick in it?
 
2014-01-06 12:12:56 PM  
 
2014-01-06 12:19:58 PM  
I rather like a nice Chinese food container box myself.
 
2014-01-06 12:21:37 PM  

Colour_out_of_Space: Can I put my dick in it?


probably, but like your mom's box, it's much too large and you'll fell nothing.
 
2014-01-06 12:40:21 PM  

imfallen_angel: Colour_out_of_Space: Can I put my dick in it?

probably, but like your mom's box, it's much too large and you'll fell nothing.


We have chainsaws/axes for that.
/Meatus is for driving 16 penny nails, where the lack of sharp edges isn't a major disadvantage.
//Use the right tool for the job.
 
2014-01-06 12:42:55 PM  
So it requires a custom folding jig? How is that more efficient?
 
2014-01-06 12:56:33 PM  

abhorrent1: So it requires a custom folding jig? How is that more efficient?


Agreed.  From the article:

This top-loading system also has another practical benefit: it's much easier to fold. All you need to do to fold the Rapid Packaging Container into the right shape, in fact, is take an unfolded box and press it into a custom jig, then close the top and affix it with the built-in adhesive strip . Comparatively, a regular cardboard box needs to be folded manually, and then reinforced with packing tape, which can be a cumbersome and error-filled process.

PLEASE EXPLAIN THIS TO ME.  Normal box - fold flaps.  Super new box - origami class.  I'm not saying it is or isn't better, but this paragraph makes my head hurt.

//If it weren't for my horse
//I wouldn't have spent that year in college.
 
2014-01-06 12:59:05 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: imfallen_angel: Colour_out_of_Space: Can I put my dick in it?

probably, but like your mom's box, it's much too large and you'll fell nothing.

We have chainsaws/axes for that.
/Meatus is for driving 16 penny nails, where the lack of sharp edges isn't a major disadvantage.
//Use the right tool for the job.


Hey... it's Monday and my fingers aren't cooperating much today.

FEEL

is what I meant... shesssssssssss......

/then again, chainsaws and axes for someone's mom... a bit much.
 
2014-01-06 01:01:24 PM  
As someone who folded 100's of pizza boxes working at Papa Johns in High School, I think their design with jig is brilliant.  I could fold a pizza box in about 10s, using that jig it took 1s.  I am sure a few egonomic experts at amazon could set up a good system for using these things.
 
2014-01-06 01:22:28 PM  

vonmatrices: abhorrent1: So it requires a custom folding jig? How is that more efficient?

Agreed.  From the article:

This top-loading system also has another practical benefit: it's much easier to fold. All you need to do to fold the Rapid Packaging Container into the right shape, in fact, is take an unfolded box and press it into a custom jig, then close the top and affix it with the built-in adhesive strip . Comparatively, a regular cardboard box needs to be folded manually, and then reinforced with packing tape, which can be a cumbersome and error-filled process.

PLEASE EXPLAIN THIS TO ME.  Normal box - fold flaps.  Super new box - origami class.  I'm not saying it is or isn't better, but this paragraph makes my head hurt.

//If it weren't for my horse
//I wouldn't have spent that year in college.


These guys have changed the world!!! I can't believe no one has ever invented a machine that that can fold and tape regular boxes.
 
2014-01-06 01:35:51 PM  

imfallen_angel: demaL-demaL-yeH: imfallen_angel: Colour_out_of_Space: Can I put my dick in it?

probably, but like your mom's box, it's much too large and you'll fell nothing.

We have chainsaws/axes for that.
/Meatus is for driving 16 penny nails, where the lack of sharp edges isn't a major disadvantage.
//Use the right tool for the job.

Hey... it's Monday and my fingers aren't cooperating much today.

FEEL

is what I meant... shesssssssssss......

/then again, chainsaws and axes for someone's mom... a bit much.


Why did you go out of your way to leave yet another gigantic opening  (Must. Not. Type. Rest. Of.)?
Nothing I write will be half as funny as your comment.
You are a gift that keeps on giving.
/Like your mom's herpes.
//Axe her.
///*whew* Wouldn't want to wound you. MMppphhhrrrg,
 
2014-01-06 01:45:07 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: MMppphhhrrrg


gagball ... on a Monday morning.. well, I won't judge.
 
2014-01-06 01:47:24 PM  
It's a good idea, but it won't work as it is now.

They simply pushed a tab on the top, which caused the box to pop open and completely unfold.  It's a guarantee that these boxes will be opening by themselves during shipping all over the place.  Boxes during shipping are thrown around by postal workers, bounce around trucks, and are generally not treated gently.

Their box will have to be more difficult to open, so that it won't open itself at the wrong time.
 
2014-01-06 01:49:54 PM  
I hate to tell them this, if all it takes is one simple push to open it, it would never hold up through shipping.

Also, it's not less wasteful, flatten a traditional cardboard box and you can see it is almost solid sheet of cardboard:

simonleegallery.uwpistol.net

Flatten theirs out and you can see each corner has been cut away as well as several oddly angled cuts in places.

c.fastcompany.net

Even using efficient layout from solid sheets, there is going to be a shiatload of scraps left over from the manufacturing process.
 
2014-01-06 01:55:24 PM  

abhorrent1: So it requires a custom folding jig? How is that more efficient?


The jig makes assembly faster. It's not required as evident by him part of the video showing him assembling it in reverse without the jig.
 
2014-01-06 02:11:17 PM  
Ahh, how lovely, the same precious, smug, just-so language of how this one weird trick is going to save the world that we hear from Lifehacker and the guy who decided you're eating apples wrong.

Web 2.0 kinda sucks.
 
2014-01-06 02:14:30 PM  

2chris2: It's a good idea, but it won't work as it is now.

They simply pushed a tab on the top, which caused the box to pop open and completely unfold.  It's a guarantee that these boxes will be opening by themselves during shipping all over the place.  Boxes during shipping are thrown around by postal workers, bounce around trucks, and are generally not treated gently.

Their box will have to be more difficult to open, so that it won't open itself at the wrong time.


Easy solution: tape

But seriously, the "extra" cardboard at the bottom of a box is not superfluous, it does make the box stronger...
 
2014-01-06 02:23:18 PM  
custom die cutting from roll feed machines - box is total fail from a manufacturing and materials use stand-point

i worked in a factory making boxes, those cut pieces that are a few mm wide add up when you do a run of 10000 boxes.
 
2014-01-06 02:32:02 PM  

ReapTheChaos: I hate to tell them this, if all it takes is one simple push to open it, it would never hold up through shipping.

Also, it's not less wasteful, flatten a traditional cardboard box and you can see it is almost solid sheet of cardboard:

[simonleegallery.uwpistol.net image 558x500]

Flatten theirs out and you can see each corner has been cut away as well as several oddly angled cuts in places.

[c.fastcompany.net image 640x179]

Even using efficient layout from solid sheets, there is going to be a shiatload of scraps left over from the manufacturing process.


TONY STARK MADE THIS IN A CAVE OUT OF A BOX OF SCRAPS!

/but really the scraps can be used in various compressed fuel sources or recycled and pulped to make other paper products.  So pellets...or more paper.  There is no waste...only under-utilized resources.
 
2014-01-06 02:45:29 PM  
Some of that cardboard will inevitably be recycled, but not as much as anyone would hope: in 2011, only 37% of all fiber used to make new paper products came from recycled sources. That means that up to 63 billion cardboard boxes a year are made out of newly felled trees.
So? Nobodys out cutting down old growth forests for paper. Trees are a renewable resource, not to mention that fast growing trees (young ones especially) absorb more carbon from the atmosphere than your average plant. I wonder what the actual energy and carbon impact from making virgin paper from farmed trees, using it, and burying it, vs collecting, sorting, treating, remanufacturing etc used paper.
 
2014-01-06 03:00:44 PM  
 these clowns and there box have no clue how to mass produce things to reduce waste and have simple systems to do the work.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCQMpawIGLk" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCQMpawIGLk">https://www.yout ube.com/watch?v=tCQMpawIGLk
 
2014-01-06 03:11:40 PM  
There are applications but this is not a universal replacement for corrugated boxes.
 
2014-01-06 03:23:25 PM  

asciibaron: custom die cutting from roll feed machines - box is total fail from a manufacturing and materials use stand-point

i worked in a factory making boxes, those cut pieces that are a few mm wide add up when you do a run of 10000 boxes.


I wish I could do a run of 10,000 boxes. I got to fourteen and got trapped in my wife's box.
 
2014-01-06 03:39:28 PM  
But, but, what about 0.5(1+5^0.5)?

/That's 2SIN(54degrees) to the rest of you knuckleheads.
 
2014-01-06 03:42:13 PM  
TDBoedy:.

/but really the scraps can be used in various compressed fuel sources or recycled and pulped to make other paper products.  So pellets...or more paper.  There is no waste...only under-utilized resources.


Yep.  And those 'recycled' bits will surely be added to the 'amount of cardboard recycled' statistics, even though 'new waste created due to new, less efficient, manufacturing style' is not what most readers would expect reflected in that number.

Farking statistics.
 
2014-01-06 03:48:51 PM  
Cardboard Box Assembler!

cdn.trinixy.ru



And just to cover all the bases:

www.nyc-grid.com

=Smidge=
 
2014-01-06 03:54:25 PM  
Engineers make everything perfect. Then it gets used in the real world.
 
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2014-01-06 04:14:23 PM  

asciibaron: custom die cutting from roll feed machines - box is total fail from a manufacturing and materials use stand-point

i worked in a factory making boxes, those cut pieces that are a few mm wide add up when you do a run of 10000 boxes.


I worked at one for 2 weeks (mostly emptying out the reject bin and putting them in the compactor) and still got enough paper cuts that I could still see remments months later.
 
2014-01-06 04:25:25 PM  

Hack Patooey: Better box:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQBjJjpkjl0



The pizza box makes sense.

And these kids?  Maybe a place like Amazon will like it due to faster assembly, but wholesale replacement to the masses?  Not a chance.

/But Amazon would have to tape the shiat out of it--those will never survive UPS as-is.
//UPS loader in college.
///Stil a Teamster (withdrawn in good standing)!
 
2014-01-06 04:32:40 PM  
i'll take Demi Moore's shrubbery from the 70s for the perfect box
 
2014-01-06 05:06:18 PM  

sirgrim: Engineers make everything perfect for other engineers Then it gets used in the real world.


FIFY
 
2014-01-06 05:44:41 PM  
Is it a hot cocoa sampler box?
 
2014-01-06 05:49:25 PM  

E_Henry_Thripshaws_Disease: i'll take Demi Moore's shrubbery from the 70s for the perfect box


Sometimes, it's worth it to wade through the jungle to get to the cave of treasures.
 
2014-01-06 06:45:42 PM  

sirgrim: Engineers make everything perfect. Then it gets used in the real world someone builds a better idiot.

 
2014-01-06 07:16:57 PM  
They didn't come up with anything new. As mentioned pizza boxes are made in a similar way. My motherboard came in another style of similar box.
Basically, whoopdey shiat. The people making boxes have had the ability to make the perfect box, but they make money selling adhesives and tape as well, so why would they gut their cash cow?

You think the savings will trickle down?


/Good on them for coming up with yet another way to fold a box I suppose.
 
2014-01-06 09:14:21 PM  
B-
 
2014-01-06 09:32:38 PM  
I hate all packaging that allows the contents to spill out the moment it is opened.  And now I really don't like these two guys.  If their box ever comes into my life, I will extend the hate to them.

Destroy their box and the plans they are written on with fire.
 
2014-01-06 09:40:30 PM  

stuhayes2010: As someone who folded 100's of pizza boxes working at Papa Johns in High School, I think their design with jig is brilliant.  I could fold a pizza box in about 10s, using that jig it took 1s.  I am sure a few egonomic experts at amazon could set up a good system for using these things.


10 seconds to fold a pizza box? Never made employee of the month I am guessing
 
2014-01-06 10:07:29 PM  

chitownmike: stuhayes2010: As someone who folded 100's of pizza boxes working at Papa Johns in High School, I think their design with jig is brilliant.  I could fold a pizza box in about 10s, using that jig it took 1s.  I am sure a few egonomic experts at amazon could set up a good system for using these things.

10 seconds to fold a pizza box? Never made employee of the month I am guessing


I missed his Weeners time through.  I guess he didn't notice their box isn't possible for the pizza industry.  Not too many people would be happy with the pizzeria if the employee pushes on their pizza in order to close the box, even if they could design a better pizza box.

Also to add, their design is similar to the smaller 'If it fits, it ships' box from USPS.  The USPS box is kind of a mix between their box and a pizza box.  I am not sure if there is any part of their design for them to patent.  Maybe the form.
 
2014-01-06 10:16:24 PM  
If you're ever worked at Fedex, USPS, or UPS, you know these just will not work being stacked on top of each other. Good intentions but not practical in the real world.
 
2014-01-06 11:02:45 PM  
This would definitely work well as an end user novelty gift box (print it in pretty patterns fellas), but it won't revolutionize the box industry... I've used better origami boxes.
 
2014-01-06 11:26:20 PM  
Gift box yes, shipping box no...

Color them and sell them for gifts
 
2014-01-06 11:48:10 PM  
I thought Jesse Pinkman made the perfect box?

cdn3.whatculture.com
 
2014-01-06 11:58:27 PM  

Cymbal: asciibaron: custom die cutting from roll feed machines - box is total fail from a manufacturing and materials use stand-point

i worked in a factory making boxes, those cut pieces that are a few mm wide add up when you do a run of 10000 boxes.

I wish I could do a run of 10,000 boxes. I got to fourteen and got trapped in my wife's box.


Nope.

Not gonna make that joke.
 
2014-01-07 02:55:01 AM  

drjekel_mrhyde: If you're ever worked at Fedex, USPS, or UPS, you know these just will not work being stacked on top of each other. Good intentions but not practical in the real world.


But good enough for a bullshiat student "thesis" or whatever, some mild buzz on the internet, a page in their portfolio, and a stepping stone to some design job.
 
2014-01-07 06:45:26 AM  
The perfect box... she has it.

babesmedia.entertainment.ign.com
 
2014-01-07 07:12:04 AM  
Apparently these kids didn't talk to anyone at Fedex or UPS about why their cute idea will never work.

That box wouldn't last 5 minutes in one of UPS's automated package handling facilities.
 
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