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2014-01-06 10:08:07 AM  
I am telling a lie.
 
2014-01-06 10:10:28 AM  
If I read it on the internet, I just assume it's a lie.

Less mistakes that way.
 
2014-01-06 10:11:49 AM  
blogs-images.forbes.com

Seems legit. I mean, it's an infographic. Surely we can trust an infographic.
 
2014-01-06 10:12:08 AM  
Critical thinking, how the fark does it work?
 
2014-01-06 10:12:33 AM  
Dumb people who don't even have a fundamental sense of curiosity will no doubt blame this on the internet, instead of themselves.
 
2014-01-06 10:27:15 AM  
Statistics are an often-abused tool in data science. "Fatal shark attacks have risen 100% this year" sounds like an alarming statistic until you realize that only one person was fatally attacked by a shark last year. Check the raw numbers when data visualizations present only the statistics.

I'm always leery of that one, and also of its brother: "People who [insert "dangerous" activity] are [insert relatively small number] times more likely to [insert dire consequence] as people who don't." Well, if it's 1 in 100000 versus [that aforementioned small number] in 100000, it's both true and irrelevant.
 
2014-01-06 10:34:05 AM  

dittybopper: I am telling a lie.

You say you are lying, but if everything you say is a lie, then you are telling the truth, but you cannot tell the truth because everything you say is a lie, but you lie... You tell the truth but you cannot for you lie... illogical! Illogical! Please explain! You are human. Only humans can explain their behavior! Please explain!


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0708432/quotes?item=qt0406610">http://ww w.imdb.com/title/tt0708432/quotes?item=qt0406610
 
2014-01-06 10:45:34 AM  
The only way to really know if an infographic can be trusted is to look for footnotes at the bottom. Footnotes are a real pain in the ass to format, so most people won't bother with them if they're just making a fake one. I mean, they might bother with one or two footnotes, tops, but that will be it. In the vast majority of cases, the following courses of action are appropriate:

Infographic with 3 or more footnotes: better than 90 percent chance of accuracy, use as basis for argument
Infographic with 1-2 footnotes: 50 percent chance of accuracy, post "Citation Needed" pic
Infographic with 0 footnotes: less than 10 percent chance of accuracy, accuse poster of trolling
 
2014-01-06 10:52:25 AM  
Bon Jour.
 
2014-01-06 10:53:41 AM  

Because People in power are Stupid: dittybopper: I am telling a lie.

You say you are lying, but if everything you say is a lie, then you are telling the truth, but you cannot tell the truth because everything you say is a lie, but you lie... You tell the truth but you cannot for you lie... illogical! Illogical! Please explain! You are human. Only humans can explain their behavior! Please explain!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0708432/quotes?item=qt0406610">http://ww w.imdb.com/title/tt0708432/quotes?item=qt0406610


Stella Mudd?  I'd totally hit that.

www.technovelgy.com
 
2014-01-06 11:05:58 AM  
Faced with an unprecedented torrent of information, data scientists have turned to the visual arts to make sense of big data.

We rely on data to make sense of the world, but can we really trust Big Data to look out for our interests rather than their own?

You'd be doing the world a great service if you shopped your local mom and pop data shops.
 
2014-01-06 11:31:55 AM  
Forget that. Give me a tip for spotting the truth.
 
2014-01-06 11:33:50 AM  
People stupid enough to get scammed are too stupid to do all of that.
 
2014-01-06 11:33:52 AM  
I really thought it was going to be about looking at pixels.
 
2014-01-06 11:34:19 AM  
www.shodor.org
Beware the "best fit line"
 
2014-01-06 11:34:25 AM  
i.imgur.com

/obligatory
 
2014-01-06 11:36:51 AM  
If it's on the internet, assume it's a lie. That's my motto.
 
2014-01-06 11:37:06 AM  
I always thought it was something to do with pixels.
And I've seen a few pixels in my time, I can tell you.
 
2014-01-06 11:37:31 AM  
searchengineland.com
 
2014-01-06 11:38:08 AM  
"How to lie with statistics" was first published in 1954. It's just as relevant today as it was then.

/should be mandatory reading in high school.
 
2014-01-06 11:38:36 AM  
Yeah but why should I trust FastCo Design?
 
2014-01-06 11:38:46 AM  
I found a lie on the internet.

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-01-06 11:41:44 AM  
images.fineartamerica.com

It's beautiful.
 
2014-01-06 11:41:49 AM  
57% of statistics are made up. 88% of all people know that.
 
2014-01-06 11:41:53 AM  
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-01-06 11:42:39 AM  

InterruptingQuirk: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 476x293]


I don't know; I've never understood it!
 
2014-01-06 11:43:56 AM  
the pixels, it's always the pixels
 
2014-01-06 11:44:05 AM  
God dammit I hate badly coded websites that don't know how to handle mobile connections

Tablet - I get a story about a record made of ice instead of the intended story..
 
2014-01-06 11:44:23 AM  

Private_Citizen: "How to lie with statistics" was first published in 1954. It's just as relevant today as it was then.

/should be mandatory reading in high school.



Would you read a book called "What Color Is The Sky?" that merely explained how the sky was in fact blue?

Statistics are lies. You can make them prove anything you want. The only reason they work in science is because everyone's trying to prove everyone else wrong so THEY get the precious grant money.
 
2014-01-06 11:44:54 AM  

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Yeah but why should I trust FastCo Design?


According to them, you shouldn't:

Generally, we can trust data provided by:
•Government organizations
•University research laboratories
•Nonpartisan organizations
And we should look more closely at data provided by:
•For-profit companies

•Partisan organizations
•Advocacy groups
If the data source isn't listed, take the data visualization with many grains of salt.
 
2014-01-06 11:45:26 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-01-06 11:45:31 AM  

Because People in power are Stupid: dittybopper: I am telling a lie.

You say you are lying, but if everything you say is a lie, then you are telling the truth, but you cannot tell the truth because everything you say is a lie, but you lie... You tell the truth but you cannot for you lie... illogical! Illogical! Please explain! You are human. Only humans can explain their behavior! Please explain!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0708432/quotes?item=qt0406610">http://ww w.imdb.com/title/tt0708432/quotes?item=qt0406610


Inconceivable!
 
2014-01-06 11:45:43 AM  
Good read.
ecx.images-amazon.com
 
2014-01-06 11:45:57 AM  
It's preceded by "White house press secretary stated..."
 
2014-01-06 11:46:04 AM  
www.edwardtufte.com
i like pie.
 
2014-01-06 11:47:53 AM  
Every high school should have required courses in statistics, logic, and debating.
 
2014-01-06 11:47:55 AM  

Private_Citizen: "How to lie with statistics" was first published in 1954. It's just as relevant today as it was then.

/should be mandatory reading in high school.


Statistically speaking of course.
 
2014-01-06 11:48:01 AM  

pxlboy: InterruptingQuirk: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 476x293]

I don't know; I've never understood it!


wut?

media.tumblr.com
 
2014-01-06 11:49:31 AM  

Archimedes' Principal: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Yeah but why should I trust FastCo Design?

According to them, you shouldn't:

Generally, we can trust data provided by:
•Government organizations
•University research laboratories
•Nonpartisan organizations
And we should look more closely at data provided by:
•For-profit companies
•Partisan organizations
•Advocacy groups
If the data source isn't listed, take the data visualization with many grains of salt.



What if your government organizations, University research laboratories, and "Nonpartisan" organizations are, in fact, partisan and advocating towards a specific agenda?
 
2014-01-06 11:49:57 AM  
Uh, did anyone else get linked to an article on "A Record Made of Ice that Actually Plays?"
 
2014-01-06 11:50:08 AM  
But I was assured that organic foods really DO cause autism!

/shared this with my teabagger friends
//hope they take the time to read it and not just look at the pretty pictures
 
2014-01-06 11:50:43 AM  

Sybarite: [i.imgur.com image 850x566]


Thank you!  I love that one so much, but had not thought of it for this thread yet.
 
gja
2014-01-06 11:51:16 AM  

dittybopper: Because People in power are Stupid: dittybopper: I am telling a lie.

You say you are lying, but if everything you say is a lie, then you are telling the truth, but you cannot tell the truth because everything you say is a lie, but you lie... You tell the truth but you cannot for you lie... illogical! Illogical! Please explain! You are human. Only humans can explain their behavior! Please explain!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0708432/quotes?item=qt0406610">http://ww w.imdb.com/title/tt0708432/quotes?item=qt0406610

Stella Mudd?  I'd totally hit that.


Hopefully with a large section of tower or something large enough to ensure death.
 
2014-01-06 11:52:13 AM  

Anayalator: [searchengineland.com image 500x221]


That's to obvious a lie
 
2014-01-06 11:52:29 AM  
There was a boy named Brad, he played trumpet and he died.

// too obscure?
 
2014-01-06 11:52:36 AM  
Erm, tfa I got is about a record made of ice. Am I to assume the ice is a lie?
 
2014-01-06 11:52:38 AM  

styckx: God dammit I hate badly coded websites that don't know how to handle mobile connections

Tablet - I get a story about a record made of ice instead of the intended story..


Same thing on my phone. Boy, was I confused!
 
2014-01-06 11:52:39 AM  

Pocket Ninja: The only way to really know if an infographic can be trusted is to look for footnotes at the bottom. Footnotes are a real pain in the ass to format, so most people won't bother with them if they're just making a fake one. I mean, they might bother with one or two footnotes, tops, but that will be it. In the vast majority of cases, the following courses of action are appropriate:

Infographic with 3 or more footnotes: better than 90 percent chance of accuracy, use as basis for argument
Infographic with 1-2 footnotes: 50 percent chance of accuracy, post "Citation Needed" pic
Infographic with 0 footnotes: less than 10 percent chance of accuracy, accuse poster of trolling


You said "Infographic" three times. I'm not accusing you of trolling; I just think you must really like "Infographic".
 
2014-01-06 11:53:02 AM  

Fireproof: Uh, did anyone else get linked to an article on "A Record Made of Ice that Actually Plays?"


It is a shiatty website that handles mobile requests like shiat. Request desktop site instead.
 
2014-01-06 11:53:13 AM  

zedster: Critical thinking, how the fark does it work?


Done in four.
 
2014-01-06 11:53:15 AM  
i0.kym-cdn.com

Everything posted on the Internet is a lie. Except for this one. You gotta believe me!
 
2014-01-06 11:53:24 AM  

TheShavingofOccam123: [images.fineartamerica.com image 850x850]

It's beautiful.


So I have observed it is the cat alive or dead?
 
2014-01-06 11:53:38 AM  
4.bp.blogspot.com

They can't put anything on the internet that isn't true.
 
2014-01-06 11:53:45 AM  
Gecko Gingrich: "People who [insert "dangerous" ******] and [insert relatively small *******] are more likely to [insert dire ********] as people who don't." So avoid people who admit doing that in their online dating profile.

Fixed to reflect what I read, not what you meant.

/I hope
 
2014-01-06 11:54:28 AM  
cdn.screenrant.com
 
2014-01-06 11:56:25 AM  
imgs.xkcd.com
 
2014-01-06 11:59:07 AM  

Sybarite: [i.imgur.com image 850x566]


Heh, that's the indystar and fairly recent. I've not seen that soooo, uh, was that really published? You know this thread being about internet lies and all.
 
2014-01-06 12:00:23 PM  

dugitman: Sybarite: [i.imgur.com image 850x566]

Heh, that's the indystar and fairly recent. I've not seen that soooo, uh, was that really published? You know this thread being about internet lies and all.


Look at it again, it's not wrong, and yes it's real.
 
2014-01-06 12:00:47 PM  
Because he got out of the car after cops told him not to!
 
2014-01-06 12:01:14 PM  

Road Rash: Archimedes' Principal: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Yeah but why should I trust FastCo Design?

According to them, you shouldn't:

Generally, we can trust data provided by:
•Government organizations
•University research laboratories
•Nonpartisan organizations
And we should look more closely at data provided by:
•For-profit companies
•Partisan organizations
•Advocacy groups
If the data source isn't listed, take the data visualization with many grains of salt.


What if your government organizations, University research laboratories, and "Nonpartisan" organizations are, in fact, partisan and advocating towards a specific agenda?


Then you will be able to figure this out quickly by checking your sources. Gov't page loop back to itself no matter how many source links you follow? It's bullshiat.

/good luck finding that gov't page
//link it to us when you do
 
2014-01-06 12:01:29 PM  
Someone should show this to the graph and chart collectors that pop up and spam global warming threads
 
2014-01-06 12:02:22 PM  

dugitman: Sybarite: [i.imgur.com image 850x566]

Heh, that's the indystar and fairly recent. I've not seen that soooo, uh, was that really published? You know this thread being about internet lies and all.


I used to see all kinds of awful errors like this in the Indiana Daily Student at Indiana University.  I wouldn't be surprised....
 
2014-01-06 12:02:54 PM  
InterruptingQuirk:

That's right. Bitter Englishmen always know when it's a lie.
 
2014-01-06 12:04:39 PM  
i42.tinypic.com
 
2014-01-06 12:04:42 PM  

InterruptingQuirk: dugitman: Sybarite: [i.imgur.com image 850x566]

Heh, that's the indystar and fairly recent. I've not seen that soooo, uh, was that really published? You know this thread being about internet lies and all.

Look at it again, it's not wrong, and yes it's real.


hahaha.. well now i feel like a dumbass.
 
2014-01-06 12:04:45 PM  
If you like the truth, you can keep it. Period.
 
2014-01-06 12:05:11 PM  

Smoky Dragon Dish: dugitman: Sybarite: [i.imgur.com image 850x566]

Heh, that's the indystar and fairly recent. I've not seen that soooo, uh, was that really published? You know this thread being about internet lies and all.

I used to see all kinds of awful errors like this in the Indiana Daily Student at Indiana University.  I wouldn't be surprised....


How is it erroneous?
 
2014-01-06 12:05:29 PM  

Sybarite: [i.imgur.com image 850x566]


The real proof of how people don't understand graphs and charts is this document getting posted as if it were incorrect or humorous or created by an idiot.

The Y axis is labelled as starting at 13ft, 6in. The graph describes a total height range of 1 ft, 6 in. The housecat, at 1ft, 3in, is perfectly to scale.
 
2014-01-06 12:05:45 PM  
Lies: 50% of the time, they work every time.
 
2014-01-06 12:07:17 PM  

Biff Spiffy: Erm, tfa I got is about a record made of ice. Am I to assume the ice is a lie?


roundtripwithdaveo.com
yes
 
2014-01-06 12:07:28 PM  
Came for cake.  Leaving disappointed.

thecake.info
 
2014-01-06 12:08:25 PM  

usafdave: Came for cake.  Leaving disappointed.

[thecake.info image 600x600]


The cake is a lie
 
2014-01-06 12:08:33 PM  

jaylectricity: Faced with an unprecedented torrent of information, data scientists have turned to the visual arts to make sense of big data.

We rely on data to make sense of the world, but can we really trust Big Data to look out for our interests rather than their own?

You'd be doing the world a great service if you shopped your local mom and pop mama and dada data shops.


/Probably only funny to me
 
2014-01-06 12:08:47 PM  
it's all lies.


i.imgur.com
 
2014-01-06 12:09:31 PM  

InterruptingQuirk: Smoky Dragon Dish: dugitman: Sybarite: [i.imgur.com image 850x566]

Heh, that's the indystar and fairly recent. I've not seen that soooo, uh, was that really published? You know this thread being about internet lies and all.

I used to see all kinds of awful errors like this in the Indiana Daily Student at Indiana University.  I wouldn't be surprised....

How is it erroneous?


When they start handing out 15ft cats, I want to be the first in line.  Would go well with my giant red dog.
 
2014-01-06 12:10:40 PM  

Ker_Thwap: Every high school should have required courses in statistics, logic, and debating.


THIS

However,

If people understand probability and statistics, they wouldn't play the lotteries. That's a good chunk of revenue gone right there.  So it's in the interest of governments not to offer these courses as part of the curriculum.
.
 
2014-01-06 12:11:50 PM  
imgs.xkcd.com

/The file itself is .png, make of it what you will.
 
2014-01-06 12:11:56 PM  

Pocket Ninja: The only way to really know if an infographic can be trusted is to look for footnotes at the bottom. Footnotes are a real pain in the ass to format, so most people won't bother with them if they're just making a fake one. I mean, they might bother with one or two footnotes, tops, but that will be it. In the vast majority of cases, the following courses of action are appropriate:

Infographic with 3 or more footnotes: better than 90 percent chance of accuracy, use as basis for argument
Infographic with 1-2 footnotes: 50 percent chance of accuracy, post "Citation Needed" pic
Infographic with 0 footnotes: less than 10 percent chance of accuracy, accuse poster of trolling


Sounds legit.
 
2014-01-06 12:15:02 PM  

Pocket Ninja: The only way to really know if an infographic can be trusted is to look for footnotes at the bottom. Footnotes are a real pain in the ass to format, so most people won't bother with them if they're just making a fake one. I mean, they might bother with one or two footnotes, tops, but that will be it. In the vast majority of cases, the following courses of action are appropriate:

Infographic with 3 or more footnotes: better than 90 percent chance of accuracy, use as basis for argument
Infographic with 1-2 footnotes: 50 percent chance of accuracy, post "Citation Needed" pic
Infographic with 0 footnotes: less than 10 percent chance of accuracy, accuse poster of trolling


My dissertation had plenty of footnotes in its graphics and text and those weren't a pain in the ass at all. There were tons of things that were, like headings and internal document links and spacing... but not footnotes. So unless you mean they're hard to typeset I don't know where you're getting this from, and none of the journals I published in complained about those, either.
 
2014-01-06 12:15:51 PM  

Smoky Dragon Dish: When they start handing out 15ft cats, I want to be the first in line. Would go well with my giant red dog.


This post just explained it to you and you still posted this^
 
2014-01-06 12:16:00 PM  
Subby uses the words "smokin' hot" when linking to a Daily Mail news item.
 
2014-01-06 12:18:41 PM  

Mangoose: If I read it on the internet, I just assume it's a lie.

Less mistakes that way.



yea, and TV 'news' is just chock full of facts.   lol
 
2014-01-06 12:19:24 PM  

Day_Old_Dutchie: Ker_Thwap: Every high school should have required courses in statistics, logic, and debating.

THIS

However,

If people understand probability and statistics, they wouldn't play the lotteries. That's a good chunk of revenue gone right there.  So it's in the interest of governments not to offer these courses as part of the curriculum.
.

I spend about $5 a year on the lottery, it's fun to dream, a good portion of my contribution goes to educational funding.  I have about a .0000000001% expectation that I'll actually win.
 
2014-01-06 12:19:26 PM  
I teach statistics and teach these principles.  I've had "how to lie with statistics" a required text for class.

My only quibbles:

log transforms are used to make data make more sense.  Especially natural systems data.  Many data sets are log-normal and parametric statics drawn from the untransformed data can be very misleading.

data from for-profit companies can be fine if proper controls are in place.  For some things, that's the only source of data.
 
2014-01-06 12:19:41 PM  

thamike: Dumb people who don't even have a fundamental sense of curiosity will no doubt blame this on the internet, instead of themselves.


the Internet is evil and full of lies  --- your TV pal owners.
 
2014-01-06 12:19:58 PM  

InterruptingQuirk: Smoky Dragon Dish: When they start handing out 15ft cats, I want to be the first in line. Would go well with my giant red dog.

This post just explained it to you and you still posted this^


Grrr...  you're correct.

*shakes little repudiated fist*
 
2014-01-06 12:20:23 PM  

Sybarite: [i.imgur.com image 850x566]


So the difference in height between the highest truck and some kind of target bridge clearance is fifteen inches - about the height of a domestic cat. Sounds reasonable to me.
Although stowaway cats on the roofs of trucks should probably be careful going under bridges.
 
2014-01-06 12:21:33 PM  

Carn: [i42.tinypic.com image 400x520]



its not hard if you know what to look for and how to verify sources.   Google is your Friend.
 
2014-01-06 12:23:06 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Road Rash: Archimedes' Principal: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Yeah but why should I trust FastCo Design?

According to them, you shouldn't:

Generally, we can trust data provided by:
•Government organizations
•University research laboratories
•Nonpartisan organizations
And we should look more closely at data provided by:
•For-profit companies
•Partisan organizations
•Advocacy groups
If the data source isn't listed, take the data visualization with many grains of salt.


What if your government organizations, University research laboratories, and "Nonpartisan" organizations are, in fact, partisan and advocating towards a specific agenda?

Then you will be able to figure this out quickly by checking your sources. Gov't page loop back to itself no matter how many source links you follow? It's bullshiat.

/good luck finding that gov't page
//link it to us when you do


You make it sound like only those pages which link back to themselves are bullshiat.

Hmm ...
 
2014-01-06 12:24:10 PM  

Smoky Dragon Dish: InterruptingQuirk: Smoky Dragon Dish: dugitman: Sybarite: [i.imgur.com image 850x566]

Heh, that's the indystar and fairly recent. I've not seen that soooo, uh, was that really published? You know this thread being about internet lies and all.

I used to see all kinds of awful errors like this in the Indiana Daily Student at Indiana University.  I wouldn't be surprised....

How is it erroneous?

When they start handing out 15ft cats, I want to be the first in line.  Would go well with my giant red dog.


It's presented as though the cat were standing on something 13.5 feet high.  The size of the cat is shown to give some perspective on the differences in heights.  The thread was fun the first time around but it's in the past.
 
2014-01-06 12:24:22 PM  

Smoky Dragon Dish: [imgs.xkcd.com image 740x180]


Heh, but it's wrong, there is no black ink.  It's all just pixels.

BTW, I got the QSL card, thanks, just haven't gotten around to printing more up so I can send you one back yet, what with the holidays and all.
 
2014-01-06 12:24:30 PM  
How to tell if the internet is lying to you?
Easy, their bits are moving.
 
gja
2014-01-06 12:24:42 PM  

usafdave: Came for cake.  Leaving disappointed.

[thecake.info image 600x600]


images.psxextreme.com
 
2014-01-06 12:25:16 PM  

Linux_Yes: Mangoose: If I read it on the internet, I just assume it's a lie.

Less mistakes that way.


yea, and TV 'news' is just chock full of facts.   lol


i1.ytimg.com

;)
 
2014-01-06 12:25:49 PM  
The Owners, for the most part, aren't too keen on the Internet because they can't buy it/own it.  this means they cannot control what is on it, unlike the Boob toob TV, where they can.

this troubles the Owners.   they don't like something that is Democratic and available to all.  that gives the little people too much say in things.  that gives the little people information that the Owners would prefer they don't have.

and that empowers the little people.

what if these little people use that knowledge to realize that the Owners are f*cking this Nation good for a dollar and a cent?
 
2014-01-06 12:25:59 PM  
 
2014-01-06 12:28:25 PM  

gja: dittybopper: Because People in power are Stupid: dittybopper: I am telling a lie.

You say you are lying, but if everything you say is a lie, then you are telling the truth, but you cannot tell the truth because everything you say is a lie, but you lie... You tell the truth but you cannot for you lie... illogical! Illogical! Please explain! You are human. Only humans can explain their behavior! Please explain!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0708432/quotes?item=qt0406610">http://ww w.imdb.com/title/tt0708432/quotes?item=qt0406610

Stella Mudd?  I'd totally hit that.

Hopefully with a large section of tower or something large enough to ensure death.


I've never called it a "large section of tower", but I guess that could apply.

/French Tickler = capacitance hat.
 
2014-01-06 12:29:23 PM  

Ker_Thwap: Every high school should have required courses in statistics, logic, and debating.


Can we start with personal finance first?

Understanding why payday loans or borrowing money from Western Sky at 355% is a bad idea is a little more important than being told that much of the information on the internet is bogus.
 
2014-01-06 12:29:28 PM  
As to graphs I look at source. If it is from Faux News I can reasonable be certain that it is not an accurate representation.

s24.postimg.org

Certain Fark posters are treated with the same degree of skepticism.
 
2014-01-06 12:30:33 PM  
If there is one thing I learned from the Internet, it's to not believe things I read on the Internet

/my head hurts
 
2014-01-06 12:30:46 PM  

doglover: Private_Citizen: "How to lie with statistics" was first published in 1954. It's just as relevant today as it was then.

/should be mandatory reading in high school.


Would you read a book called "What Color Is The Sky?" that merely explained how the sky was in fact blue?

Statistics are lies. You can make them prove anything you want. The only reason they work in science is because everyone's trying to prove everyone else wrong so THEY get the precious grant money.


No.
Statistics can be mis-used. So can facts. Most of what we know as "facts" are based on data. Statistics are the only real way to interpret data once you get past anecdotes you can count on your fingers.
 
2014-01-06 12:30:58 PM  

styckx: God dammit I hate badly coded websites that don't know how to handle mobile connections

Tablet - I get a story about a record made of ice instead of the intended story..


Here at work, I am stuck with IE8.  It crashed my browser.  Then when IE tried to recover, it crashed the browser again.  I had to move quickly to close the page before it went into an infinite loop of crashing.

Nice farking design, assholes.

Seriously...  What the hell do they have on that site that is so unstable?!

And now, I do not know what was in TFA other than what was made obvious by the headline, and some of the comment here.  No one fact checks.  They simply believe the first thing they see.  And if it's in graphic form, it's much easier to believe, and then share with their friends on FB.
 
2014-01-06 12:31:08 PM  
Who was the farker who would post Global Temperatures of 10 months and would say it showed temperatures went down for the "decade" because those 10 months were over the end of the decade?

We kept pointing out how misleading and wrong it was but he would keep posting them again and again.
 
2014-01-06 12:31:22 PM  
27% of Kentuckians smoking seems a little on the conservative side.
 
2014-01-06 12:31:26 PM  

zedster: Critical thinking, how the fark does it work?


A little like magnets.
 
2014-01-06 12:31:30 PM  

dittybopper: Because People in power are Stupid: dittybopper: I am telling a lie.

You say you are lying, but if everything you say is a lie, then you are telling the truth, but you cannot tell the truth because everything you say is a lie, but you lie... You tell the truth but you cannot for you lie... illogical! Illogical! Please explain! You are human. Only humans can explain their behavior! Please explain!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0708432/quotes?item=qt0406610">http://ww w.imdb.com/title/tt0708432/quotes?item=qt0406610

Stella Mudd?  I'd totally hit that.

[www.technovelgy.com image 292x292]


Like, with a shovel?
 
2014-01-06 12:31:35 PM  

Louisiana_Sitar_Club: Smoky Dragon Dish: InterruptingQuirk: Smoky Dragon Dish: dugitman: Sybarite: [i.imgur.com image 850x566]

Heh, that's the indystar and fairly recent. I've not seen that soooo, uh, was that really published? You know this thread being about internet lies and all.

I used to see all kinds of awful errors like this in the Indiana Daily Student at Indiana University.  I wouldn't be surprised....

How is it erroneous?

When they start handing out 15ft cats, I want to be the first in line.  Would go well with my giant red dog.

It's presented as though the cat were standing on something 13.5 feet high.  The size of the cat is shown to give some perspective on the differences in heights.  The thread was fun the first time around but it's in the past.


Yes, I realized that now.
 
2014-01-06 12:31:37 PM  

notyoucoach: How to tell if the internet is lying to you?
Easy, their bits are moving.



wanna' know how you can tell the corporate owned TV media is lying to you??

the screen is lit up.
 
2014-01-06 12:31:49 PM  
The only way to spot a lie is to know the truth.
 
2014-01-06 12:33:48 PM  

kwame: 27% of Kentuckians smoking seems a little on the conservative side.



not if you're on fire.
 
2014-01-06 12:33:49 PM  
I heard there is a clause in the terms of service where all ladies must send me BIE. It must be true, it's on the internet!
 
2014-01-06 12:34:01 PM  
ecx.images-amazon.com
 
2014-01-06 12:34:15 PM  

styckx: Fireproof: Uh, did anyone else get linked to an article on "A Record Made of Ice that Actually Plays?"

It is a shiatty website that handles mobile requests like shiat. Request desktop site instead.


I didn't have a problem on my phone. Are you lying?
 
2014-01-06 12:34:39 PM  

dittybopper: Smoky Dragon Dish: [imgs.xkcd.com image 740x180]

Heh, but it's wrong, there is no black ink.  It's all just pixels.

BTW, I got the QSL card, thanks, just haven't gotten around to printing more up so I can send you one back yet, what with the holidays and all.


No worries, no rush.  I get my cards printed by some dude who's pretty cool.  Seems to be cost effective.  I think the POC info is on the card.

Would like to talk to someone about getting into CW.  Maybe I'll send you an email later.
 
2014-01-06 12:35:12 PM  

Pocket Ninja: The only way to really know if an infographic can be trusted is to look for footnotes at the bottom. Footnotes are a real pain in the ass to format, so most people won't bother with them if they're just making a fake one. I mean, they might bother with one or two footnotes, tops, but that will be it. In the vast majority of cases, the following courses of action are appropriate:

Infographic with 3 or more footnotes: better than 90 percent chance of accuracy, use as basis for argument
Infographic with 1-2 footnotes: 50 percent chance of accuracy, post "Citation Needed" pic
Infographic with 0 footnotes: less than 10 percent chance of accuracy, accuse poster of trolling


Seems legit. And since when has PN ever said anything remotely untrue?!
 
2014-01-06 12:36:20 PM  

47 is the new 42: styckx: Fireproof: Uh, did anyone else get linked to an article on "A Record Made of Ice that Actually Plays?"

It is a shiatty website that handles mobile requests like shiat. Request desktop site instead.

I didn't have a problem on my phone. Are you lying?


Might have been fixed already
 
2014-01-06 12:36:24 PM  

sdd2000: As to graphs I look at source. If it is from Faux News I can reasonable be certain that it is not an accurate representation.


Indeed


img.fark.net
 
2014-01-06 12:36:30 PM  

LittleSmitty: If there is one thing I learned from the Internet, it's to not believe things I read on the Internet

/my head hurts



yep, its all lies. every bit of it.   now i know how thick you are.
 
2014-01-06 12:37:06 PM  

Linux_Yes: Carn: [i42.tinypic.com image 400x520]


its not hard if you know what to look for and how to verify sources.   Google is your Friend.


I just have Abe Lincoln verify all my facts for me.  Doesn't he look smart in that picture?
 
2014-01-06 12:38:12 PM  
Any post containing the word "libtard."
 
2014-01-06 12:38:46 PM  

BigBooper: Ker_Thwap: Every high school should have required courses in statistics, logic, and debating.

Can we start with personal finance first?

Understanding why payday loans or borrowing money from Western Sky at 355% is a bad idea is a little more important than being told that much of the information on the internet is bogus.


The interesting thing about Western Sky is that they're pretty honest in their commercials.  And, they can get away with those loans b/c laws regarding loans don't apply to indian reservations.
 
2014-01-06 12:40:48 PM  
My favorite infographic:

img.fark.net
 
2014-01-06 12:41:51 PM  
FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: RE: OBAMA IS MUSLUM!!!1!
 
2014-01-06 12:42:25 PM  

styckx: 47 is the new 42: styckx: Fireproof: Uh, did anyone else get linked to an article on "A Record Made of Ice that Actually Plays?"

It is a shiatty website that handles mobile requests like shiat. Request desktop site instead.

I didn't have a problem on my phone. Are you lying?

Might have been fixed already


Possibly.
 
2014-01-06 12:42:48 PM  

evilmrsock: Sybarite: [i.imgur.com image 850x566]

The real proof of how people don't understand graphs and charts is this document getting posted as if it were incorrect or humorous or created by an idiot.

The Y axis is labelled as starting at 13ft, 6in. The graph describes a total height range of 1 ft, 6 in. The housecat, at 1ft, 3in, is perfectly to scale.


Somebody should put up a Dennis Miller punchline vs. who gives a f*ck X-Y axis infographic to explain how poorly thought out the housecat vs. trailer thing is.  I'm sure everyone will get serious about it then.
 
2014-01-06 12:43:34 PM  

Day_Old_Dutchie: Ker_Thwap: Every high school should have required courses in statistics, logic, and debating.

THIS

However,

If people understand probability and statistics, they wouldn't play the lotteries. That's a good chunk of revenue gone right there.  So it's in the interest of governments not to offer these courses as part of the curriculum.
.


Lotteries really don't make that much revenue. The real reason for them is that they kill the mob's numbers racket.
 
2014-01-06 12:45:10 PM  

Road Rash: The My Little Pony Killer: Road Rash: Archimedes' Principal: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Yeah but why should I trust FastCo Design?

According to them, you shouldn't:

Generally, we can trust data provided by:
•Government organizations
•University research laboratories
•Nonpartisan organizations
And we should look more closely at data provided by:
•For-profit companies
•Partisan organizations
•Advocacy groups
If the data source isn't listed, take the data visualization with many grains of salt.


What if your government organizations, University research laboratories, and "Nonpartisan" organizations are, in fact, partisan and advocating towards a specific agenda?

Then you will be able to figure this out quickly by checking your sources. Gov't page loop back to itself no matter how many source links you follow? It's bullshiat.

/good luck finding that gov't page
//link it to us when you do

You make it sound like only those pages which link back to themselves are bullshiat.

Hmm ...


No, I am telling you that that is a very good indication that it is crap.

Maybe you should try reading comprehension before you break into anything research-related.
 
2014-01-06 12:45:23 PM  

doglover: Private_Citizen: "How to lie with statistics" was first published in 1954. It's just as relevant today as it was then.

/should be mandatory reading in high school.


Would you read a book called "What Color Is The Sky?" that merely explained how the sky was in fact blue?

Statistics are lies. You can make them prove anything you want. The only reason they work in science is because everyone's trying to prove everyone else wrong so THEY get the precious grant money.


You're not helping.

This kind of blind cynicism is nearly as bad as a lack of critical thinking.
 
2014-01-06 12:46:03 PM  

Linux_Yes: LittleSmitty: If there is one thing I learned from the Internet, it's to not believe things I read on the Internet

/my head hurts


yep, its all lies. every bit of it.   now i know how thick you are.


And how do you know I wasn't telling a lie?

And leave my weight out of it
 
2014-01-06 12:47:04 PM  
shodor.org
 
2014-01-06 12:47:15 PM  

InterruptingQuirk: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 476x293]


I must have watched that scene 100 times and still could never figure it out.  Was there an actual solution?
 
2014-01-06 12:51:05 PM  
Bill Gates and 100 homeless guys walk into a bar. The AVERAGE drinker is a millionaire.

/Lying with statistics is easy
 
2014-01-06 12:51:15 PM  
I'm not getting laid tonight!
 
2014-01-06 12:55:16 PM  
I only trust graphics that reinforce my current belief system
 
2014-01-06 12:58:10 PM  
Paging SevenizGud -- please report to thread 8088136 and read the whole damn thread. Thank you.
 
2014-01-06 12:59:27 PM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Bill Gates and 100 homeless guys walk into a bar. The AVERAGE drinker is a millionaire.

/Lying with statistics is easy


That's pretty mean.
 
2014-01-06 12:59:59 PM  
 
2014-01-06 01:00:20 PM  

8 inches: InterruptingQuirk: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 476x293]

I must have watched that scene 100 times and still could never figure it out.  Was there an actual solution?


If you believe them that one tells the truth and there is a path straight to the castle, then she chose poorly. However, I don't believe that the possibility they were both lying and there was no path to the castle would be out of character for the movie.
 
2014-01-06 01:01:16 PM  
"One easy trick to spotting a lie on the internet "

May also be a simple trick or a weird trick, discovered by a local housewife!
 
2014-01-06 01:03:05 PM  
Classic 90s-style software engineering interview question:

You're in a land full of people who are each either 100% honest or 100% dishonest. Honest folks will always tell the truth, and dishonest will always tell you a lie. You're traveling on a road, and reach a fork. One direction leads to eternal happiness, and the other to a painful death. At the fork are two people: one is honest, and one is dishonest, but you don't know which is which, and both know which fork to take to happiness.

What can you ask them any question you like to determine which direction to take. What do you ask them?
 
2014-01-06 01:03:06 PM  

zulius: I'm not getting laid tonight!



Wrong thread.
 
2014-01-06 01:03:11 PM  

Anayalator: [searchengineland.com image 500x221]


Don't think you're something special just because you did it first.

blog.stonebrew.com
 
2014-01-06 01:03:59 PM  

8 inches: InterruptingQuirk: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 476x293]

I must have watched that scene 100 times and still could never figure it out. Was there an actual solution?


The classic "one lies, one tells the truth" puzzle is solved like this:

Ask one what the other guy would say were you to ask "Which is the safe door?"

I.e., ask either, "What would the other guy say if I were to ask him 'Which is the safe door?'?"

* if asked directly, Truth Guy would answer truthfully and point to the good door, so Lie Guy, when asked "What would the other guy say...", would lie and say that Truth Guy would indicate the bad door.

* if asked directly, Lie Guy would lie and indicate the bad door, so Truth Guy, when asked "What would the other guy say..." would tell the truth and say that Lie Guy would indicate the bad door.

Thus, either way, you know that the safe door is the door not pointed out.
 
GBB
2014-01-06 01:04:32 PM  

SonOfSpam: "One easy trick to spotting a lie on the internet "

May also be a simple trick or a weird trick, discovered by a local housewife!


"That the big companies don't want you to know"
 
2014-01-06 01:05:22 PM  
Milo Minderbinder:

Lotteries really don't make that much revenue. The real reason for them is that they kill can cash in on the mob's numbers racket.


FTFY
 
2014-01-06 01:08:29 PM  

Z-clipped: doglover: Private_Citizen: "How to lie with statistics" was first published in 1954. It's just as relevant today as it was then.

/should be mandatory reading in high school.


Would you read a book called "What Color Is The Sky?" that merely explained how the sky was in fact blue?

Statistics are lies. You can make them prove anything you want. The only reason they work in science is because everyone's trying to prove everyone else wrong so THEY get the precious grant money.

You're not helping.

This kind of blind cynicism is nearly as bad as caused by a lack of critical thinking.


Thinking is hard, therefore I am not going to do it anymore and will just shiat on every sciencey topic for the rest of my life.
 
2014-01-06 01:10:06 PM  

8 inches: InterruptingQuirk: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 476x293]

I must have watched that scene 100 times and still could never figure it out.  Was there an actual solution?


Sarah's logic was sound

Ask one of the two what the other one would say about a particular door and the answer will always be a lie - the truth teller will honestly tell you what the liars answer is (so your final answer is the lie), and the liar will lie about the truth tellers honest answer, so again your final aswer is the lie.
 
2014-01-06 01:11:14 PM  

Linux_Yes: Mangoose: If I read it on the internet, I just assume it's a lie.

Less mistakes that way.


yea, and TV 'news' is just chock full of facts.   lol


See? You believed something you read on the internet.

How'd that work out for you?
 
2014-01-06 01:11:46 PM  

SonOfSpam: "One easy trick to spotting a lie on the internet "

May also be a simple trick or a weird trick, discovered by a local housewife!


I heard she was a mom, and that the energy companies don't want me to know!
 
2014-01-06 01:11:59 PM  

Louisiana_Sitar_Club: Smoky Dragon Dish: InterruptingQuirk: Smoky Dragon Dish: dugitman: Sybarite: [i.imgur.com image 850x566]

Heh, that's the indystar and fairly recent. I've not seen that soooo, uh, was that really published? You know this thread being about internet lies and all.

I used to see all kinds of awful errors like this in the Indiana Daily Student at Indiana University.  I wouldn't be surprised....

How is it erroneous?

When they start handing out 15ft cats, I want to be the first in line.  Would go well with my giant red dog.

It's presented as though the cat were standing on something 13.5 feet high.  The size of the cat is shown to give some perspective on the differences in heights.  The thread was fun the first time around but it's in the past.


Isn't there a meme that reminds us that no matter how many times we have seen something on the web, there is somebody seeing it for the first time right now?
 
2014-01-06 01:12:26 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: 8 inches: InterruptingQuirk: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 476x293]

I must have watched that scene 100 times and still could never figure it out. Was there an actual solution?

The classic "one lies, one tells the truth" puzzle is solved like this:

Ask one what the other guy would say were you to ask "Which is the safe door?"

I.e., ask either, "What would the other guy say if I were to ask him 'Which is the safe door?'?"

* if asked directly, Truth Guy would answer truthfully and point to the good door, so Lie Guy, when asked "What would the other guy say...", would lie and say that Truth Guy would indicate the bad door.

* if asked directly, Lie Guy would lie and indicate the bad door, so Truth Guy, when asked "What would the other guy say..." would tell the truth and say that Lie Guy would indicate the bad door.

Thus, either way, you know that the safe door is the door not pointed out.


ha! I didn't get the reference in that image (and didn't care to image search it). Figures I'd end up re-posting the same riddle.
 
2014-01-06 01:15:02 PM  

MagicBoris: [imgs.xkcd.com image 303x332]

/The file itself is .png, make of it what you will.


what about .ott?
 
2014-01-06 01:15:29 PM  

8 inches: InterruptingQuirk: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 476x293]

I must have watched that scene 100 times and still could never figure it out.  Was there an actual solution?


Yes.
 
2014-01-06 01:15:54 PM  

Ker_Thwap: Every high school should have required courses in statistics, logic, and debating.


We're lucky if they can read without moving their lips, and now you want our educational system to make them think? They only care about the three Ps; Pot, Playstation, Pussy.
 
2014-01-06 01:17:53 PM  

derpy: MagicBoris: [imgs.xkcd.com image 303x332]

/The file itself is .png, make of it what you will.

what about .ott?


I'm down with .ott
 
2014-01-06 01:18:03 PM  

waterrockets: Classic 90s-style software engineering interview question:

You're in a land full of people who are each either 100% honest or 100% dishonest. Honest folks will always tell the truth, and dishonest will always tell you a lie. You're traveling on a road, and reach a fork. One direction leads to eternal happiness, and the other to a painful death. At the fork are two people: one is honest, and one is dishonest, but you don't know which is which, and both know which fork to take to happiness.

What can you ask them any question you like to determine which direction to take. What do you ask them?



I always liked the Gagne answer from his Neverwinter Nights mod: "What's 1+1?", followed in this case by "Which road leads to happiness?".

You didn't say that you could only ask one question, and the traditional question  (which one would the other guy say ...) presupposes a certain amount of intelligence from the respondent.
 
2014-01-06 01:18:22 PM  

Mitch Taylor's Bro: Z-clipped: doglover: Private_Citizen: "How to lie with statistics" was first published in 1954. It's just as relevant today as it was then.

/should be mandatory reading in high school.


Would you read a book called "What Color Is The Sky?" that merely explained how the sky was in fact blue?

Statistics are lies. You can make them prove anything you want. The only reason they work in science is because everyone's trying to prove everyone else wrong so THEY get the precious grant money.

You're not helping.

This kind of blind cynicism is nearly as bad as caused by a lack of critical thinking.

Thinking is hard, therefore I am not going to do it anymore and will just shiat on every sciencey topic for the rest of my life.


I was tempted to ask if he could explain to a six-year-old why the sky is blue, but attacking his analogy seemed a little petty, even with the tasty irony of it.
 
2014-01-06 01:18:50 PM  
An old advertising trick, upgraded for the digital age.

I think that when advertising agencies were created, they took misrepresentation and exaggeration to whole new levels, going far beyond the limits of the old Snake Oil Salesmen. I mean, after all, now they had a pool of specially trained people to make a pile of shiat seem like a pile of pure gold to the general public.

Today, we have Professional Pitchmen also. Basically, highly paid liars. Social Psychiatry became a field back in the early 60's and the advertising business just boomed as they learned of all sorts of ways to manipulate various people.

Actually, it's sad and disturbing, to realize that so many of the businesses we depend on will readily exaggerate the claims of their products (lie) to get more sales.

Somewhere in the 70's, as the technology changed, we discovered that polls could easily be influenced no matter what people actually said and TV news programs -- once a bastion of reliability -- could use the new video tape medium to ask the 'man on the street' and then leave the 'wrong answers' on the cutting room floor.

Since then, an entire business culture has grown up based on misdirection of information to enhance things in the client's favor. It's even easier now with computer graphics and sophisticated art programs easily downloaded from the Internet. (Photoshop, The Gimp, Pixarra Twistedbrush, and more.)

Now, rush on out and buy those Orgreenic Frying Pans -- whose no-stick properties seem to vanish after a couple of washings, grab some of the Magic Putty that doesn't stick to anything but itself and rush on down to buy that bottle of Herbal Testosterone Replacement pills to make your man manlier and grab one of those delicious burgers -- which actually look like they've been run over by a semi when you open the wrapper.

Next lesson: The real 'Art' of making real foods look mouthwatering and delicious for the camera, using Elmers glue, food coloring, paint, glycerin, a blow torch and 'plumping'. Just don't attempt to eat the actual display.
 
2014-01-06 01:19:26 PM  

Valiente: zedster: Critical thinking, how the fark does it work?

A little like magnets.


when I see it I do think it's a miracle
 
2014-01-06 01:21:19 PM  

zedster: Critical thinking, how the fark does it work?


Some people need to relearn it frequently, because confirmation bias is hardwired into humans. It would be handy if schools actually taught this, but I have yet to run into critical thinking classes in primary or secondary schools.
 
2014-01-06 01:23:55 PM  

offmymeds: Subby uses the words "smokin' hot" when linking to a Daily Mail news item.


Subby has never submitted a link to the Daily Fail, TYVM.

/mostly boring science sites that never get greened
 
2014-01-06 01:24:26 PM  

doglover: Private_Citizen: "How to lie with statistics" was first published in 1954. It's just as relevant today as it was then.

/should be mandatory reading in high school.


Would you read a book called "What Color Is The Sky?" that merely explained how the sky was in fact blue?

Statistics are lies. You can make them prove anything you want. The only reason they work in science is because everyone's trying to prove everyone else wrong so THEY get the precious grant money.


...unless YOU'RE lying to us!

Hey everyone! He's a big fat liar!
 
2014-01-06 01:24:51 PM  
People are intellectually dishonest and want to push their worldview onto others.

There.
 
2014-01-06 01:25:54 PM  

waterrockets: ha! I didn't get the reference in that image (and didn't care to image search it).


It's from Labyrinth. Our heroine, Sarah, has to choose between two doors, on leading to the castle, and the other leading to... bum-ba-bum-bummmmm... Certain Death
 
2014-01-06 01:26:13 PM  
The skewed structural cues lie is used in every gun thread about how much more gun deaths the US has compared to other countries.

If you adjust for truthiness every country, barring war, is pretty close to zero.
 
2014-01-06 01:26:14 PM  
One easy trick to spotting a lie on the internet

Did it come from one of these?
img1.fark.net
img1.fark.net
img1.fark.net
img1.fark.net
img1.fark.net
img1.fark.net
Then it's a lie.
 
2014-01-06 01:28:40 PM  

draypresct: waterrockets: Classic 90s-style software engineering interview question:

You're in a land full of people who are each either 100% honest or 100% dishonest. Honest folks will always tell the truth, and dishonest will always tell you a lie. You're traveling on a road, and reach a fork. One direction leads to eternal happiness, and the other to a painful death. At the fork are two people: one is honest, and one is dishonest, but you don't know which is which, and both know which fork to take to happiness.

What can you ask them any question you like to determine which direction to take. What do you ask them?


I always liked the Gagne answer from his Neverwinter Nights mod: "What's 1+1?", followed in this case by "Which road leads to happiness?".

You didn't say that you could only ask one question, and the traditional question  (which one would the other guy say ...) presupposes a certain amount of intelligence from the respondent.


yup (I like the "only one right answer" questions unrelated to the decision as well).
 
2014-01-06 01:28:49 PM  

BigBooper: Ker_Thwap: Every high school should have required courses in statistics, logic, and debating.

Can we start with personal finance first?

Understanding why payday loans or borrowing money from Western Sky at 355% is a bad idea is a little more important than being told that much of the information on the internet is bogus.


they quit teaching home economics because it was assumed it was teaching you to be a housewife and bake pies.

instead it became a place to teach kids how to bake prepackaged cookie tubes.
 
2014-01-06 01:29:26 PM  

doglover: Would you read a book called "What Color Is The Sky?" that merely explained how the sky was in fact blue?


Yes, because (guess what?) the sky is not, in fact, blue. It only appears blue because the human eye is more sensitive one end of the spectrum. Otherwise, the sky would appear a greenish-blue.
 
2014-01-06 01:30:02 PM  
What kind of Cretins wrote this article?
 
2014-01-06 01:30:27 PM  

Rik01: Next lesson: The real 'Art' of making real foods look mouthwatering and delicious for the camera, using Elmers glue, food coloring, paint, glycerin, a blow torch and 'plumping'. Just don't attempt to eat the actual display.


THere was an awesome PBS or nickeloadian show about how advertising works, that showed all about this.  It was awesome for planting critical thinking into my young mind.

Anybody else remember that show?  I distinctly remember the Elmers glue used as cereal milk bit.
 
2014-01-06 01:31:50 PM  

some_beer_drinker: i like pie.


Is that a mustard pie?? Gross
 
2014-01-06 01:33:07 PM  

dj_spanmaster: zedster: Critical thinking, how the fark does it work?

Some people need to relearn it frequently, because confirmation bias is hardwired into humans. It would be handy if schools actually taught this, but I have yet to run into critical thinking classes in primary or secondary schools.


or most colleges, the days of the off beat professor who challenged their students instead of excepting them to regurgitate their own lectures are gone
 
2014-01-06 01:33:21 PM  

star_topology: People are intellectually dishonest and want to push their worldview onto others.

There.


Sez you!
 
2014-01-06 01:35:57 PM  

Rik01: Now, rush on out and buy those Orgreenic Frying Pans -- whose no-stick properties seem to vanish after a couple of washings, grab some of the Magic Putty that doesn't stick to anything but itself and rush on down to buy that bottle of Herbal Testosterone Replacement pills to make your man manlier and grab one of those delicious burgers -- which actually look like they've been run over by a semi when you open the wrapper.

Next lesson: The real 'Art' of making real foods look mouthwatering and delicious for the camera, using Elmers glue, food coloring, paint, glycerin, a blow torch and 'plumping'. Just don't attempt to eat the actual display.


Actually, I have two such ceramic pans-- One is Orgreenic, the other is actually a white coating from another company-- and they've been great for over a year now. The only negative is that I burned something in the white one and now there's a single small spot in the pan that is less non-stick than the rest.

As for magic putty, I'm not sure what you're talking about. If it's the epoxy putty (two colors, and then turns to an adhesive when you mix them) then it works great, and they've been selling that in hardware stores for decades because it's a legitimate, useful product.

Finally, fast food-- Well, that varies by location, company, and workers. I've been to Wendy's restaurants where the burger I got looked almost exactly like the ones they advertised, and I've been to other restaurants in the chain that sold me a squished mass of meat and bread that looked nothing like a sandwich. That's luck of the draw, there.
 
2014-01-06 01:36:33 PM  
I have found that whenever a politician is lying they put a letter R in parenthesis right after their name. It's a dead giveaway.
 
2014-01-06 01:50:20 PM  
www.impactlab.net
/lying on the internet?
//cat and pic are hot
 
2014-01-06 01:52:28 PM  

doglover: Statistics are lies. You can make them prove anything you want.


No you can't. If you do, you're just flat out lying. Has nothing to do with statistics.
 
2014-01-06 01:53:59 PM  

Ablejack: I have found that whenever a politician is lying they put a letter R in parenthesis right after their name. It's a dead giveaway.


Keep hopin' for that change.
 
2014-01-06 01:56:08 PM  
People lie???
 
2014-01-06 01:58:07 PM  

styckx: God dammit I hate badly coded websites that don't know how to handle mobile connections

Tablet - I get a story about a record made of ice instead of the intended story..


So would that be 'record cold'?
 
2014-01-06 02:00:08 PM  

Z-clipped: Mitch Taylor's Bro: Z-clipped: doglover: Private_Citizen: "How to lie with statistics" was first published in 1954. It's just as relevant today as it was then.

/should be mandatory reading in high school.


Would you read a book called "What Color Is The Sky?" that merely explained how the sky was in fact blue?

Statistics are lies. You can make them prove anything you want. The only reason they work in science is because everyone's trying to prove everyone else wrong so THEY get the precious grant money.

You're not helping.

This kind of blind cynicism is nearly as bad as caused by a lack of critical thinking.

Thinking is hard, therefore I am not going to do it anymore and will just shiat on every sciencey topic for the rest of my life.

I was tempted to ask if he could explain to a six-year-old why the sky is blue, but attacking his analogy seemed a little petty, even with the tasty irony of it.


Honestly, I'd have to read that book to explain why the sky is blue :-)

But I know that statistics just help us make sense of raw data. There are good statistics and bad statistics and it's up to the statistician to use the right statistics to properly interpret the data.

When I took undergrad stats in college, our professor let us bring a notebook into our exams. He said he didn't want us wasting our time memorizing formulas when we should be focusing on learning which situations called for which formulas. He was a great prof, but I barely eked out a C in his class because I suck at math.
 
2014-01-06 02:11:35 PM  
The funny thing is that Liar sentences are easy to spot: they're the ones telling you that they're false.
 
2014-01-06 02:14:39 PM  

ZeroCorpse: As for magic putty, I'm not sure what you're talking about. If it's the epoxy putty


I'm pretty sure that was supposed to be "Mighty Putty," which they have at Walgreen's and other places where you shouldn't ever buy home repair supplies.  Epoxy putty, in contrast, is not typically sold via infomercials.  While epoxy putty kinda works, it would likely work a lot better if someone didn't have to rub all of the dirt and oils off of their fingers into it while they mix it.  But that's ok, as its primary use is repairs which are being done wrong anyway.
 
2014-01-06 03:26:00 PM  

The Bunyip: I really thought it was going to be about looking at pixels.


Clearing this article is BS due to them not mentioning pixels.
 
2014-01-06 03:27:31 PM  
media.2oceansvibe.com

Sharp knees!!1!
 
2014-01-06 03:32:38 PM  

LittleSmitty: Linux_Yes: LittleSmitty: If there is one thing I learned from the Internet, it's to not believe things I read on the Internet

/my head hurts


yep, its all lies. every bit of it.   now i know how thick you are.

And how do you know I wasn't telling a lie?

And leave my weight out of it



thick.  british slang for mentally slow.   sure there is alot of bs online. but there is also alot of truth online. wanna' know what the difference is between online and corporate owned TV/radio?   no one owns the internet so no one can control what is put online and what is not.  big business owned TV/radio/magazines, etc can be edited for content and only that which the owner allows is allowed.

i.o.w. the internet is a Democratic system, and the mass media is a Plutocratic one.   the key is keeping an open mind and realizing that alot of the stuff online just might be true.  its stuff that the Owners don't want anyone to know because that would be counter to the owners agenda.
 
2014-01-06 03:36:30 PM  

Linux_Yes: LittleSmitty: Linux_Yes: LittleSmitty: If there is one thing I learned from the Internet, it's to not believe things I read on the Internet

/my head hurts


yep, its all lies. every bit of it.   now i know how thick you are.

And how do you know I wasn't telling a lie?

And leave my weight out of it


thick.  british slang for mentally slow.   sure there is alot of bs online. but there is also alot of truth online. wanna' know what the difference is between online and corporate owned TV/radio?   no one owns the internet so no one can control what is put online and what is not.  big business owned TV/radio/magazines, etc can be edited for content and only that which the owner allows is allowed.

i.o.w. the internet is a Democratic system, and the mass media is a Plutocratic one.   the key is keeping an open mind and realizing that alot of the stuff online just might be true.  its stuff that the Owners don't want anyone to know because that would be counter to the owners agenda.


lenleatherwood.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-01-06 03:56:26 PM  

usafdave: Came for cake.  Leaving disappointed.


No one posted advice animals either. *sigh*
img.fark.net
img.fark.net
img.fark.net
img.fark.net
 
2014-01-06 04:09:25 PM  

Linux_Yes: LittleSmitty: Linux_Yes: LittleSmitty: If there is one thing I learned from the Internet, it's to not believe things I read on the Internet

/my head hurts


yep, its all lies. every bit of it.   now i know how thick you are.

And how do you know I wasn't telling a lie?

And leave my weight out of it


thick.  british slang for mentally slow.   sure there is alot of bs online. but there is also alot of truth online. wanna' know what the difference is between online and corporate owned TV/radio?   no one owns the internet so no one can control what is put online and what is not.  big business owned TV/radio/magazines, etc can be edited for content and only that which the owner allows is allowed.

i.o.w. the internet is a Democratic system, and the mass media is a Plutocratic one.   the key is keeping an open mind and realizing that alot of the stuff online just might be true.  its stuff that the Owners don't want anyone to know because that would be counter to the owners agenda.


One thing I learned from the Internet is the abundance of assholes is seemingly infinite.
 
2014-01-06 04:58:11 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: doglover: Would you read a book called "What Color Is The Sky?" that merely explained how the sky was in fact blue?

Yes, because (guess what?) the sky is not, in fact, blue. It only appears blue because the human eye is more sensitive one end of the spectrum. Otherwise, the sky would appear a greenish-blue.


Citation please. Because* I've read that the eye is most sensitive to green, which is why you weight RGB color values differently (green most heavily, then red, then blue) when you convert a color image to black and white.

*Sorry, "barbeque."
 
2014-01-06 06:19:34 PM  

dbrunker: usafdave: Came for cake.  Leaving disappointed.

No one posted advice animals either. *sigh*


Actually, that last one has some basis in reality. It's called "state-depenent learning."

/but it's not a good idea
 
2014-01-06 06:20:22 PM  
What better indication of online lying do you need than this?

i.dailymail.co.uk
 
2014-01-06 09:19:31 PM  

Pawprint: ArcadianRefugee: doglover: Would you read a book called "What Color Is The Sky?" that merely explained how the sky was in fact blue?

Yes, because (guess what?) the sky is not, in fact, blue. It only appears blue because the human eye is more sensitive one end of the spectrum. Otherwise, the sky would appear a greenish-blue.

Citation please. Because* I've read that the eye is most sensitive to green, which is why you weight RGB color values differently (green most heavily, then red, then blue) when you convert a color image to black and white.

*Sorry, "barbeque."


Sorry, "more sensitive to green". Middle, end, whatever. Point is, out visual bias drags reality one way or another, meaning what we see isn't what's there.
 
2014-01-06 11:22:38 PM  

orbister: What better indication of online lying do you need than this?

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 350x66]


Mail OnLies?
 
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