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2014-01-06 12:30:33 PM  
If there is one thing I learned from the Internet, it's to not believe things I read on the Internet

/my head hurts
 
2014-01-06 12:30:46 PM  

doglover: Private_Citizen: "How to lie with statistics" was first published in 1954. It's just as relevant today as it was then.

/should be mandatory reading in high school.


Would you read a book called "What Color Is The Sky?" that merely explained how the sky was in fact blue?

Statistics are lies. You can make them prove anything you want. The only reason they work in science is because everyone's trying to prove everyone else wrong so THEY get the precious grant money.


No.
Statistics can be mis-used. So can facts. Most of what we know as "facts" are based on data. Statistics are the only real way to interpret data once you get past anecdotes you can count on your fingers.
 
2014-01-06 12:30:58 PM  

styckx: God dammit I hate badly coded websites that don't know how to handle mobile connections

Tablet - I get a story about a record made of ice instead of the intended story..


Here at work, I am stuck with IE8.  It crashed my browser.  Then when IE tried to recover, it crashed the browser again.  I had to move quickly to close the page before it went into an infinite loop of crashing.

Nice farking design, assholes.

Seriously...  What the hell do they have on that site that is so unstable?!

And now, I do not know what was in TFA other than what was made obvious by the headline, and some of the comment here.  No one fact checks.  They simply believe the first thing they see.  And if it's in graphic form, it's much easier to believe, and then share with their friends on FB.
 
2014-01-06 12:31:08 PM  
Who was the farker who would post Global Temperatures of 10 months and would say it showed temperatures went down for the "decade" because those 10 months were over the end of the decade?

We kept pointing out how misleading and wrong it was but he would keep posting them again and again.
 
2014-01-06 12:31:22 PM  
27% of Kentuckians smoking seems a little on the conservative side.
 
2014-01-06 12:31:26 PM  

zedster: Critical thinking, how the fark does it work?


A little like magnets.
 
2014-01-06 12:31:30 PM  

dittybopper: Because People in power are Stupid: dittybopper: I am telling a lie.

You say you are lying, but if everything you say is a lie, then you are telling the truth, but you cannot tell the truth because everything you say is a lie, but you lie... You tell the truth but you cannot for you lie... illogical! Illogical! Please explain! You are human. Only humans can explain their behavior! Please explain!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0708432/quotes?item=qt0406610">http://ww w.imdb.com/title/tt0708432/quotes?item=qt0406610

Stella Mudd?  I'd totally hit that.

[www.technovelgy.com image 292x292]


Like, with a shovel?
 
2014-01-06 12:31:35 PM  

Louisiana_Sitar_Club: Smoky Dragon Dish: InterruptingQuirk: Smoky Dragon Dish: dugitman: Sybarite: [i.imgur.com image 850x566]

Heh, that's the indystar and fairly recent. I've not seen that soooo, uh, was that really published? You know this thread being about internet lies and all.

I used to see all kinds of awful errors like this in the Indiana Daily Student at Indiana University.  I wouldn't be surprised....

How is it erroneous?

When they start handing out 15ft cats, I want to be the first in line.  Would go well with my giant red dog.

It's presented as though the cat were standing on something 13.5 feet high.  The size of the cat is shown to give some perspective on the differences in heights.  The thread was fun the first time around but it's in the past.


Yes, I realized that now.
 
2014-01-06 12:31:37 PM  

notyoucoach: How to tell if the internet is lying to you?
Easy, their bits are moving.



wanna' know how you can tell the corporate owned TV media is lying to you??

the screen is lit up.
 
2014-01-06 12:31:49 PM  
The only way to spot a lie is to know the truth.
 
2014-01-06 12:33:48 PM  

kwame: 27% of Kentuckians smoking seems a little on the conservative side.



not if you're on fire.
 
2014-01-06 12:33:49 PM  
I heard there is a clause in the terms of service where all ladies must send me BIE. It must be true, it's on the internet!
 
2014-01-06 12:34:01 PM  
ecx.images-amazon.com
 
2014-01-06 12:34:15 PM  

styckx: Fireproof: Uh, did anyone else get linked to an article on "A Record Made of Ice that Actually Plays?"

It is a shiatty website that handles mobile requests like shiat. Request desktop site instead.


I didn't have a problem on my phone. Are you lying?
 
2014-01-06 12:34:39 PM  

dittybopper: Smoky Dragon Dish: [imgs.xkcd.com image 740x180]

Heh, but it's wrong, there is no black ink.  It's all just pixels.

BTW, I got the QSL card, thanks, just haven't gotten around to printing more up so I can send you one back yet, what with the holidays and all.


No worries, no rush.  I get my cards printed by some dude who's pretty cool.  Seems to be cost effective.  I think the POC info is on the card.

Would like to talk to someone about getting into CW.  Maybe I'll send you an email later.
 
2014-01-06 12:35:12 PM  

Pocket Ninja: The only way to really know if an infographic can be trusted is to look for footnotes at the bottom. Footnotes are a real pain in the ass to format, so most people won't bother with them if they're just making a fake one. I mean, they might bother with one or two footnotes, tops, but that will be it. In the vast majority of cases, the following courses of action are appropriate:

Infographic with 3 or more footnotes: better than 90 percent chance of accuracy, use as basis for argument
Infographic with 1-2 footnotes: 50 percent chance of accuracy, post "Citation Needed" pic
Infographic with 0 footnotes: less than 10 percent chance of accuracy, accuse poster of trolling


Seems legit. And since when has PN ever said anything remotely untrue?!
 
2014-01-06 12:36:20 PM  

47 is the new 42: styckx: Fireproof: Uh, did anyone else get linked to an article on "A Record Made of Ice that Actually Plays?"

It is a shiatty website that handles mobile requests like shiat. Request desktop site instead.

I didn't have a problem on my phone. Are you lying?


Might have been fixed already
 
2014-01-06 12:36:24 PM  

sdd2000: As to graphs I look at source. If it is from Faux News I can reasonable be certain that it is not an accurate representation.


Indeed


img.fark.net
 
2014-01-06 12:36:30 PM  

LittleSmitty: If there is one thing I learned from the Internet, it's to not believe things I read on the Internet

/my head hurts



yep, its all lies. every bit of it.   now i know how thick you are.
 
2014-01-06 12:37:06 PM  

Linux_Yes: Carn: [i42.tinypic.com image 400x520]


its not hard if you know what to look for and how to verify sources.   Google is your Friend.


I just have Abe Lincoln verify all my facts for me.  Doesn't he look smart in that picture?
 
2014-01-06 12:38:12 PM  
Any post containing the word "libtard."
 
2014-01-06 12:38:46 PM  

BigBooper: Ker_Thwap: Every high school should have required courses in statistics, logic, and debating.

Can we start with personal finance first?

Understanding why payday loans or borrowing money from Western Sky at 355% is a bad idea is a little more important than being told that much of the information on the internet is bogus.


The interesting thing about Western Sky is that they're pretty honest in their commercials.  And, they can get away with those loans b/c laws regarding loans don't apply to indian reservations.
 
2014-01-06 12:40:48 PM  
My favorite infographic:

img.fark.net
 
2014-01-06 12:41:51 PM  
FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: RE: OBAMA IS MUSLUM!!!1!
 
2014-01-06 12:42:25 PM  

styckx: 47 is the new 42: styckx: Fireproof: Uh, did anyone else get linked to an article on "A Record Made of Ice that Actually Plays?"

It is a shiatty website that handles mobile requests like shiat. Request desktop site instead.

I didn't have a problem on my phone. Are you lying?

Might have been fixed already


Possibly.
 
2014-01-06 12:42:48 PM  

evilmrsock: Sybarite: [i.imgur.com image 850x566]

The real proof of how people don't understand graphs and charts is this document getting posted as if it were incorrect or humorous or created by an idiot.

The Y axis is labelled as starting at 13ft, 6in. The graph describes a total height range of 1 ft, 6 in. The housecat, at 1ft, 3in, is perfectly to scale.


Somebody should put up a Dennis Miller punchline vs. who gives a f*ck X-Y axis infographic to explain how poorly thought out the housecat vs. trailer thing is.  I'm sure everyone will get serious about it then.
 
2014-01-06 12:43:34 PM  

Day_Old_Dutchie: Ker_Thwap: Every high school should have required courses in statistics, logic, and debating.

THIS

However,

If people understand probability and statistics, they wouldn't play the lotteries. That's a good chunk of revenue gone right there.  So it's in the interest of governments not to offer these courses as part of the curriculum.
.


Lotteries really don't make that much revenue. The real reason for them is that they kill the mob's numbers racket.
 
2014-01-06 12:45:10 PM  

Road Rash: The My Little Pony Killer: Road Rash: Archimedes' Principal: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Yeah but why should I trust FastCo Design?

According to them, you shouldn't:

Generally, we can trust data provided by:
•Government organizations
•University research laboratories
•Nonpartisan organizations
And we should look more closely at data provided by:
•For-profit companies
•Partisan organizations
•Advocacy groups
If the data source isn't listed, take the data visualization with many grains of salt.


What if your government organizations, University research laboratories, and "Nonpartisan" organizations are, in fact, partisan and advocating towards a specific agenda?

Then you will be able to figure this out quickly by checking your sources. Gov't page loop back to itself no matter how many source links you follow? It's bullshiat.

/good luck finding that gov't page
//link it to us when you do

You make it sound like only those pages which link back to themselves are bullshiat.

Hmm ...


No, I am telling you that that is a very good indication that it is crap.

Maybe you should try reading comprehension before you break into anything research-related.
 
2014-01-06 12:45:23 PM  

doglover: Private_Citizen: "How to lie with statistics" was first published in 1954. It's just as relevant today as it was then.

/should be mandatory reading in high school.


Would you read a book called "What Color Is The Sky?" that merely explained how the sky was in fact blue?

Statistics are lies. You can make them prove anything you want. The only reason they work in science is because everyone's trying to prove everyone else wrong so THEY get the precious grant money.


You're not helping.

This kind of blind cynicism is nearly as bad as a lack of critical thinking.
 
2014-01-06 12:46:03 PM  

Linux_Yes: LittleSmitty: If there is one thing I learned from the Internet, it's to not believe things I read on the Internet

/my head hurts


yep, its all lies. every bit of it.   now i know how thick you are.


And how do you know I wasn't telling a lie?

And leave my weight out of it
 
2014-01-06 12:47:04 PM  
shodor.org
 
2014-01-06 12:47:15 PM  

InterruptingQuirk: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 476x293]


I must have watched that scene 100 times and still could never figure it out.  Was there an actual solution?
 
2014-01-06 12:51:05 PM  
Bill Gates and 100 homeless guys walk into a bar. The AVERAGE drinker is a millionaire.

/Lying with statistics is easy
 
2014-01-06 12:51:15 PM  
I'm not getting laid tonight!
 
2014-01-06 12:55:16 PM  
I only trust graphics that reinforce my current belief system
 
2014-01-06 12:58:10 PM  
Paging SevenizGud -- please report to thread 8088136 and read the whole damn thread. Thank you.
 
2014-01-06 12:59:27 PM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Bill Gates and 100 homeless guys walk into a bar. The AVERAGE drinker is a millionaire.

/Lying with statistics is easy


That's pretty mean.
 
2014-01-06 12:59:59 PM  
 
2014-01-06 01:00:20 PM  

8 inches: InterruptingQuirk: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 476x293]

I must have watched that scene 100 times and still could never figure it out.  Was there an actual solution?


If you believe them that one tells the truth and there is a path straight to the castle, then she chose poorly. However, I don't believe that the possibility they were both lying and there was no path to the castle would be out of character for the movie.
 
2014-01-06 01:01:16 PM  
"One easy trick to spotting a lie on the internet "

May also be a simple trick or a weird trick, discovered by a local housewife!
 
2014-01-06 01:03:05 PM  
Classic 90s-style software engineering interview question:

You're in a land full of people who are each either 100% honest or 100% dishonest. Honest folks will always tell the truth, and dishonest will always tell you a lie. You're traveling on a road, and reach a fork. One direction leads to eternal happiness, and the other to a painful death. At the fork are two people: one is honest, and one is dishonest, but you don't know which is which, and both know which fork to take to happiness.

What can you ask them any question you like to determine which direction to take. What do you ask them?
 
2014-01-06 01:03:06 PM  

zulius: I'm not getting laid tonight!



Wrong thread.
 
2014-01-06 01:03:11 PM  

Anayalator: [searchengineland.com image 500x221]


Don't think you're something special just because you did it first.

blog.stonebrew.com
 
2014-01-06 01:03:59 PM  

8 inches: InterruptingQuirk: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 476x293]

I must have watched that scene 100 times and still could never figure it out. Was there an actual solution?


The classic "one lies, one tells the truth" puzzle is solved like this:

Ask one what the other guy would say were you to ask "Which is the safe door?"

I.e., ask either, "What would the other guy say if I were to ask him 'Which is the safe door?'?"

* if asked directly, Truth Guy would answer truthfully and point to the good door, so Lie Guy, when asked "What would the other guy say...", would lie and say that Truth Guy would indicate the bad door.

* if asked directly, Lie Guy would lie and indicate the bad door, so Truth Guy, when asked "What would the other guy say..." would tell the truth and say that Lie Guy would indicate the bad door.

Thus, either way, you know that the safe door is the door not pointed out.
 
GBB
2014-01-06 01:04:32 PM  

SonOfSpam: "One easy trick to spotting a lie on the internet "

May also be a simple trick or a weird trick, discovered by a local housewife!


"That the big companies don't want you to know"
 
2014-01-06 01:05:22 PM  
Milo Minderbinder:

Lotteries really don't make that much revenue. The real reason for them is that they kill can cash in on the mob's numbers racket.


FTFY
 
2014-01-06 01:08:29 PM  

Z-clipped: doglover: Private_Citizen: "How to lie with statistics" was first published in 1954. It's just as relevant today as it was then.

/should be mandatory reading in high school.


Would you read a book called "What Color Is The Sky?" that merely explained how the sky was in fact blue?

Statistics are lies. You can make them prove anything you want. The only reason they work in science is because everyone's trying to prove everyone else wrong so THEY get the precious grant money.

You're not helping.

This kind of blind cynicism is nearly as bad as caused by a lack of critical thinking.


Thinking is hard, therefore I am not going to do it anymore and will just shiat on every sciencey topic for the rest of my life.
 
2014-01-06 01:10:06 PM  

8 inches: InterruptingQuirk: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 476x293]

I must have watched that scene 100 times and still could never figure it out.  Was there an actual solution?


Sarah's logic was sound

Ask one of the two what the other one would say about a particular door and the answer will always be a lie - the truth teller will honestly tell you what the liars answer is (so your final answer is the lie), and the liar will lie about the truth tellers honest answer, so again your final aswer is the lie.
 
2014-01-06 01:11:14 PM  

Linux_Yes: Mangoose: If I read it on the internet, I just assume it's a lie.

Less mistakes that way.


yea, and TV 'news' is just chock full of facts.   lol


See? You believed something you read on the internet.

How'd that work out for you?
 
2014-01-06 01:11:46 PM  

SonOfSpam: "One easy trick to spotting a lie on the internet "

May also be a simple trick or a weird trick, discovered by a local housewife!


I heard she was a mom, and that the energy companies don't want me to know!
 
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