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(FastCo Design)   One easy trick to spotting a lie on the internet   (fastcodesign.com) divider line 196
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2014-01-06 11:53:13 AM

zedster: Critical thinking, how the fark does it work?


Done in four.
 
2014-01-06 11:53:15 AM
i0.kym-cdn.com

Everything posted on the Internet is a lie. Except for this one. You gotta believe me!
 
2014-01-06 11:53:24 AM

TheShavingofOccam123: [images.fineartamerica.com image 850x850]

It's beautiful.


So I have observed it is the cat alive or dead?
 
2014-01-06 11:53:38 AM
4.bp.blogspot.com

They can't put anything on the internet that isn't true.
 
2014-01-06 11:53:45 AM
Gecko Gingrich: "People who [insert "dangerous" ******] and [insert relatively small *******] are more likely to [insert dire ********] as people who don't." So avoid people who admit doing that in their online dating profile.

Fixed to reflect what I read, not what you meant.

/I hope
 
2014-01-06 11:54:28 AM
cdn.screenrant.com
 
2014-01-06 11:56:25 AM
imgs.xkcd.com
 
2014-01-06 11:59:07 AM

Sybarite: [i.imgur.com image 850x566]


Heh, that's the indystar and fairly recent. I've not seen that soooo, uh, was that really published? You know this thread being about internet lies and all.
 
2014-01-06 12:00:23 PM

dugitman: Sybarite: [i.imgur.com image 850x566]

Heh, that's the indystar and fairly recent. I've not seen that soooo, uh, was that really published? You know this thread being about internet lies and all.


Look at it again, it's not wrong, and yes it's real.
 
2014-01-06 12:00:47 PM
Because he got out of the car after cops told him not to!
 
2014-01-06 12:01:14 PM

Road Rash: Archimedes' Principal: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Yeah but why should I trust FastCo Design?

According to them, you shouldn't:

Generally, we can trust data provided by:
•Government organizations
•University research laboratories
•Nonpartisan organizations
And we should look more closely at data provided by:
•For-profit companies
•Partisan organizations
•Advocacy groups
If the data source isn't listed, take the data visualization with many grains of salt.


What if your government organizations, University research laboratories, and "Nonpartisan" organizations are, in fact, partisan and advocating towards a specific agenda?


Then you will be able to figure this out quickly by checking your sources. Gov't page loop back to itself no matter how many source links you follow? It's bullshiat.

/good luck finding that gov't page
//link it to us when you do
 
2014-01-06 12:01:29 PM
Someone should show this to the graph and chart collectors that pop up and spam global warming threads
 
2014-01-06 12:02:22 PM

dugitman: Sybarite: [i.imgur.com image 850x566]

Heh, that's the indystar and fairly recent. I've not seen that soooo, uh, was that really published? You know this thread being about internet lies and all.


I used to see all kinds of awful errors like this in the Indiana Daily Student at Indiana University.  I wouldn't be surprised....
 
2014-01-06 12:02:54 PM

InterruptingQuirk:


That's right. Bitter Englishmen always know when it's a lie.
 
2014-01-06 12:04:39 PM
i42.tinypic.com
 
2014-01-06 12:04:42 PM

InterruptingQuirk: dugitman: Sybarite: [i.imgur.com image 850x566]

Heh, that's the indystar and fairly recent. I've not seen that soooo, uh, was that really published? You know this thread being about internet lies and all.

Look at it again, it's not wrong, and yes it's real.


hahaha.. well now i feel like a dumbass.
 
2014-01-06 12:04:45 PM
If you like the truth, you can keep it. Period.
 
2014-01-06 12:05:11 PM

Smoky Dragon Dish: dugitman: Sybarite: [i.imgur.com image 850x566]

Heh, that's the indystar and fairly recent. I've not seen that soooo, uh, was that really published? You know this thread being about internet lies and all.

I used to see all kinds of awful errors like this in the Indiana Daily Student at Indiana University.  I wouldn't be surprised....


How is it erroneous?
 
2014-01-06 12:05:29 PM

Sybarite: [i.imgur.com image 850x566]


The real proof of how people don't understand graphs and charts is this document getting posted as if it were incorrect or humorous or created by an idiot.

The Y axis is labelled as starting at 13ft, 6in. The graph describes a total height range of 1 ft, 6 in. The housecat, at 1ft, 3in, is perfectly to scale.
 
2014-01-06 12:05:45 PM
Lies: 50% of the time, they work every time.
 
2014-01-06 12:07:17 PM

Biff Spiffy: Erm, tfa I got is about a record made of ice. Am I to assume the ice is a lie?


roundtripwithdaveo.com
yes
 
2014-01-06 12:07:28 PM
Came for cake.  Leaving disappointed.

thecake.info
 
2014-01-06 12:08:25 PM

usafdave: Came for cake.  Leaving disappointed.

[thecake.info image 600x600]


The cake is a lie
 
2014-01-06 12:08:33 PM

jaylectricity: Faced with an unprecedented torrent of information, data scientists have turned to the visual arts to make sense of big data.

We rely on data to make sense of the world, but can we really trust Big Data to look out for our interests rather than their own?

You'd be doing the world a great service if you shopped your local mom and pop mama and dada data shops.


/Probably only funny to me
 
2014-01-06 12:08:47 PM
it's all lies.


i.imgur.com
 
2014-01-06 12:09:31 PM

InterruptingQuirk: Smoky Dragon Dish: dugitman: Sybarite: [i.imgur.com image 850x566]

Heh, that's the indystar and fairly recent. I've not seen that soooo, uh, was that really published? You know this thread being about internet lies and all.

I used to see all kinds of awful errors like this in the Indiana Daily Student at Indiana University.  I wouldn't be surprised....

How is it erroneous?


When they start handing out 15ft cats, I want to be the first in line.  Would go well with my giant red dog.
 
2014-01-06 12:10:40 PM

Ker_Thwap: Every high school should have required courses in statistics, logic, and debating.


THIS

However,

If people understand probability and statistics, they wouldn't play the lotteries. That's a good chunk of revenue gone right there.  So it's in the interest of governments not to offer these courses as part of the curriculum.
.
 
2014-01-06 12:11:50 PM
imgs.xkcd.com

/The file itself is .png, make of it what you will.
 
2014-01-06 12:11:56 PM

Pocket Ninja: The only way to really know if an infographic can be trusted is to look for footnotes at the bottom. Footnotes are a real pain in the ass to format, so most people won't bother with them if they're just making a fake one. I mean, they might bother with one or two footnotes, tops, but that will be it. In the vast majority of cases, the following courses of action are appropriate:

Infographic with 3 or more footnotes: better than 90 percent chance of accuracy, use as basis for argument
Infographic with 1-2 footnotes: 50 percent chance of accuracy, post "Citation Needed" pic
Infographic with 0 footnotes: less than 10 percent chance of accuracy, accuse poster of trolling


Sounds legit.
 
2014-01-06 12:15:02 PM

Pocket Ninja: The only way to really know if an infographic can be trusted is to look for footnotes at the bottom. Footnotes are a real pain in the ass to format, so most people won't bother with them if they're just making a fake one. I mean, they might bother with one or two footnotes, tops, but that will be it. In the vast majority of cases, the following courses of action are appropriate:

Infographic with 3 or more footnotes: better than 90 percent chance of accuracy, use as basis for argument
Infographic with 1-2 footnotes: 50 percent chance of accuracy, post "Citation Needed" pic
Infographic with 0 footnotes: less than 10 percent chance of accuracy, accuse poster of trolling


My dissertation had plenty of footnotes in its graphics and text and those weren't a pain in the ass at all. There were tons of things that were, like headings and internal document links and spacing... but not footnotes. So unless you mean they're hard to typeset I don't know where you're getting this from, and none of the journals I published in complained about those, either.
 
2014-01-06 12:15:51 PM

Smoky Dragon Dish: When they start handing out 15ft cats, I want to be the first in line. Would go well with my giant red dog.


This post just explained it to you and you still posted this^
 
2014-01-06 12:16:00 PM
Subby uses the words "smokin' hot" when linking to a Daily Mail news item.
 
2014-01-06 12:18:41 PM

Mangoose: If I read it on the internet, I just assume it's a lie.

Less mistakes that way.



yea, and TV 'news' is just chock full of facts.   lol
 
2014-01-06 12:19:24 PM

Day_Old_Dutchie: Ker_Thwap: Every high school should have required courses in statistics, logic, and debating.

THIS

However,

If people understand probability and statistics, they wouldn't play the lotteries. That's a good chunk of revenue gone right there.  So it's in the interest of governments not to offer these courses as part of the curriculum.
.

I spend about $5 a year on the lottery, it's fun to dream, a good portion of my contribution goes to educational funding.  I have about a .0000000001% expectation that I'll actually win.
 
2014-01-06 12:19:26 PM
I teach statistics and teach these principles.  I've had "how to lie with statistics" a required text for class.

My only quibbles:

log transforms are used to make data make more sense.  Especially natural systems data.  Many data sets are log-normal and parametric statics drawn from the untransformed data can be very misleading.

data from for-profit companies can be fine if proper controls are in place.  For some things, that's the only source of data.
 
2014-01-06 12:19:41 PM

thamike: Dumb people who don't even have a fundamental sense of curiosity will no doubt blame this on the internet, instead of themselves.


the Internet is evil and full of lies  --- your TV pal owners.
 
2014-01-06 12:19:58 PM

InterruptingQuirk: Smoky Dragon Dish: When they start handing out 15ft cats, I want to be the first in line. Would go well with my giant red dog.

This post just explained it to you and you still posted this^


Grrr...  you're correct.

*shakes little repudiated fist*
 
2014-01-06 12:20:23 PM

Sybarite: [i.imgur.com image 850x566]


So the difference in height between the highest truck and some kind of target bridge clearance is fifteen inches - about the height of a domestic cat. Sounds reasonable to me.
Although stowaway cats on the roofs of trucks should probably be careful going under bridges.
 
2014-01-06 12:21:33 PM

Carn: [i42.tinypic.com image 400x520]



its not hard if you know what to look for and how to verify sources.   Google is your Friend.
 
2014-01-06 12:23:06 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Road Rash: Archimedes' Principal: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Yeah but why should I trust FastCo Design?

According to them, you shouldn't:

Generally, we can trust data provided by:
•Government organizations
•University research laboratories
•Nonpartisan organizations
And we should look more closely at data provided by:
•For-profit companies
•Partisan organizations
•Advocacy groups
If the data source isn't listed, take the data visualization with many grains of salt.


What if your government organizations, University research laboratories, and "Nonpartisan" organizations are, in fact, partisan and advocating towards a specific agenda?

Then you will be able to figure this out quickly by checking your sources. Gov't page loop back to itself no matter how many source links you follow? It's bullshiat.

/good luck finding that gov't page
//link it to us when you do


You make it sound like only those pages which link back to themselves are bullshiat.

Hmm ...
 
2014-01-06 12:24:10 PM

Smoky Dragon Dish: InterruptingQuirk: Smoky Dragon Dish: dugitman: Sybarite: [i.imgur.com image 850x566]

Heh, that's the indystar and fairly recent. I've not seen that soooo, uh, was that really published? You know this thread being about internet lies and all.

I used to see all kinds of awful errors like this in the Indiana Daily Student at Indiana University.  I wouldn't be surprised....

How is it erroneous?

When they start handing out 15ft cats, I want to be the first in line.  Would go well with my giant red dog.


It's presented as though the cat were standing on something 13.5 feet high.  The size of the cat is shown to give some perspective on the differences in heights.  The thread was fun the first time around but it's in the past.
 
2014-01-06 12:24:22 PM

Smoky Dragon Dish: [imgs.xkcd.com image 740x180]


Heh, but it's wrong, there is no black ink.  It's all just pixels.

BTW, I got the QSL card, thanks, just haven't gotten around to printing more up so I can send you one back yet, what with the holidays and all.
 
2014-01-06 12:24:30 PM
How to tell if the internet is lying to you?
Easy, their bits are moving.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2014-01-06 12:24:42 PM

usafdave: Came for cake.  Leaving disappointed.

[thecake.info image 600x600]


images.psxextreme.com
 
2014-01-06 12:25:16 PM

Linux_Yes: Mangoose: If I read it on the internet, I just assume it's a lie.

Less mistakes that way.


yea, and TV 'news' is just chock full of facts.   lol


i1.ytimg.com

;)
 
2014-01-06 12:25:49 PM
The Owners, for the most part, aren't too keen on the Internet because they can't buy it/own it.  this means they cannot control what is on it, unlike the Boob toob TV, where they can.

this troubles the Owners.   they don't like something that is Democratic and available to all.  that gives the little people too much say in things.  that gives the little people information that the Owners would prefer they don't have.

and that empowers the little people.

what if these little people use that knowledge to realize that the Owners are f*cking this Nation good for a dollar and a cent?
 
2014-01-06 12:25:59 PM
 
2014-01-06 12:28:25 PM

gja: dittybopper: Because People in power are Stupid: dittybopper: I am telling a lie.

You say you are lying, but if everything you say is a lie, then you are telling the truth, but you cannot tell the truth because everything you say is a lie, but you lie... You tell the truth but you cannot for you lie... illogical! Illogical! Please explain! You are human. Only humans can explain their behavior! Please explain!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0708432/quotes?item=qt0406610">http://ww w.imdb.com/title/tt0708432/quotes?item=qt0406610

Stella Mudd?  I'd totally hit that.

Hopefully with a large section of tower or something large enough to ensure death.


I've never called it a "large section of tower", but I guess that could apply.

/French Tickler = capacitance hat.
 
2014-01-06 12:29:23 PM

Ker_Thwap: Every high school should have required courses in statistics, logic, and debating.


Can we start with personal finance first?

Understanding why payday loans or borrowing money from Western Sky at 355% is a bad idea is a little more important than being told that much of the information on the internet is bogus.
 
2014-01-06 12:29:28 PM
As to graphs I look at source. If it is from Faux News I can reasonable be certain that it is not an accurate representation.

s24.postimg.org

Certain Fark posters are treated with the same degree of skepticism.
 
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