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(Townhall)   The Battle of the Bulge proved that we weren't winning WWII and that the Germans weren't on the run   (townhall.com) divider line 115
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2014-01-06 10:22:36 AM
Obama's been retreating on all fronts. Why not this one too?
 
2014-01-06 10:47:12 AM
Fine situation you set up there, neoconservatards.  YOU farkING OWN THIS.
 
2014-01-06 11:27:51 AM

bronyaur1: Fine situation you set up there, neoconservatards.  YOU farkING OWN THIS.


This.

And FTFA:   President Obama has been repeatedly warned of the violent consequences of rapidly pulling U.S. troops from the country and now we're seeing the results of his exit strategy in Iraq: going backward.

That should be "going revisionist" you useless Townhall farks.

All American military forces were mandated to withdraw from Iraqi territory by 31 December 2011 under the terms of a bilateral agreement signed in 2008 by President Bush.  (source)
 
2014-01-06 11:35:03 AM
I like screaming into the wind.

Does anyone else like screaming into the wind?
 
2014-01-06 11:35:30 AM
Why was this trollish POS greened?
 
2014-01-06 11:40:49 AM
Obama should have just refused. All out full military conquest of Iraq, killing all who opposed or refused our money to rule harshly. After all, a bribe to a warlord is nothing more than encouraging a capitalist freedom fighter.

Then he should have demanded the life of every firstborn baby. After he and Ellen DeGeneres, AKA: whore of Babylon, could up have made mad, passionate love while performing marriage rights between man and male turtles.
 
2014-01-06 11:40:49 AM
Senator McCain and Graham: "While many Iraqis are responsible for this strategic disaster, the administration cannot escape its share of the blame," the senators said in a joint statement. "When President Obama withdrew all U.S. forces ... over the objections of our military leaders and commanders on the ground...

Even given that the withdrawal agreement was signed by the previous Administration, are Senators really suggesting we occupy Iraq with boots on the ground against the will of its government? I recall President Bush repeatedly emphasizing that this would not and should not be done. And he was right.
 
2014-01-06 11:42:40 AM
Have McCain and Graham EVER met a war they didn't like??
 
2014-01-06 11:42:45 AM
Send in the Jew Bear.
 
2014-01-06 12:01:35 PM

vudukungfu: Send in the Jew Bear.


img.fark.net


Or did you mean "Bear Jew"?
 
2014-01-06 12:06:43 PM

OnlyM3: Obama's been retreating on all fronts. Why not this one too?


Cry all you want. Obama is the one that bailed us out of Bush's mistakes.

i.cnn.net
 
2014-01-06 12:13:02 PM
Can't help but wonder just what articles Townhall would be running if the US will still fully involved in Iraq.

I'm pretty sure we could imagine.
 
2014-01-06 12:19:24 PM
How low-functioning does someone have to be to simultaneously hold the ideas "Cut gubmint spending to zero for freedom" and "Our military must be invincible and deployed worldwide forever so Al Kayder don't blow up what for the Skeeter Holler grange hall?"
 
2014-01-06 12:39:03 PM
What the hell does this analogy mean>
 
2014-01-06 12:39:16 PM

Sid_6.7: Why was this trollish POS greened?


I have to agree with this statement.
 
2014-01-06 12:54:33 PM
mentalfloss.com


If I repeatedly bash your face into this, it looks like a f*cking hot dog.  Or else.
 
2014-01-06 12:56:36 PM

Somacandra: Senator McCain and Graham: "While many Iraqis are responsible for this strategic disaster, the administration cannot escape its share of the blame," the senators said in a joint statement. "When President Obama withdrew all U.S. forces ... over the objections of our military leaders and commanders on the ground...

Even given that the withdrawal agreement was signed by the previous Administration, are Senators really suggesting we occupy Iraq with boots on the ground against the will of its government? I recall President Bush repeatedly emphasizing that this would not and should not be done. And he was right.


"Sen. McCain, General Shinseki is on line two."
 
2014-01-06 12:59:24 PM
I hear that the peace with the Yorks is collapsing.  Thanks Henry VIII Obama!
 
2014-01-06 01:00:41 PM
Jesus Christ, these people. Bush and his band of merry morons entered into the country with absolutely no plans for the termination of the conflict. Even the goddamn JCS and most of the top brass had zero idea on how to end it, or for that matter how to fight it. That's why 5,000 American lost their lives: because the Bush Administration and the top commanders had no idea what they were going to encounter and absolutely no plans to end the farking war.

I really do think these people are morons of the highest caliber.
 
2014-01-06 01:02:08 PM
Great, I gave a click to a Townhall link.
 
2014-01-06 01:03:14 PM
Townhall
farm4.staticflickr.com
 
2014-01-06 01:03:27 PM
Clownhall rooting for Al Qaeda?
 
2014-01-06 01:03:30 PM
img.fark.net
 
2014-01-06 01:04:37 PM
Look they are just upset that when President Cheney gets back into power he will have to re-invade Iraq, instead of invading Iran. The invasion of Iran is now six years behind schedule.
 
2014-01-06 01:07:42 PM
Good fiction book about the Battle of the Bulge.


jacketupload.macmillanusa.com

Fark you, subby, and fark you, modmins for greenlighting this crap.
 
2014-01-06 01:08:16 PM
Let me repeat what someone posted above.

All American military forces were mandated to withdraw from Iraqi territory by 31 December 2011 under the terms of a bilateral agreement signed in 2008 by President Bush.

That isn't to say Obama pushed to keep troops there; he did. But the Iraqis wouldn't rule out civil and criminal trials in the Iraqi justice system for US personnel.

So buh-bye. Thanks for the fun times.

/hope BP enjoys running those Iraqi oil fields. Nice little con the Brits pulled on the US. Again.
 
2014-01-06 01:09:33 PM
There was that time at Gettysburg and everyone knew this could be the decisive battle of the war. Then Ol' Rob Lee ordered Pickett to charge, with the full approval of Barack Nonsane Maobama, and into the teeth of Meade they charged, thusly changing the whole face of the battle, and enabling Obama to ascend to the presidency where he destroyed America by dropping an upper decker in the Supreme Court restroom and wiping his filthy anus on the constitution.
 
2014-01-06 01:09:53 PM
The former governor of Anbar was quoted in the media yesterday as saying that there's an estimated 50-100 insurgents in Fallujah and Ramadi creating all this ruckus.  I think that the Iraqi army should be able to take care of a few dozen people.  If they're that incompetent, then fark em
 
2014-01-06 01:10:46 PM
"War is Hell"

- Bill Murray
 
2014-01-06 01:11:35 PM
Remember when Republicans said Obama didn't deserve any credit for withdrawing from Iraq because he was just following the agreement for withdraw that Bush made?  I guess that Surge wasn't as successful as you all thought it was, huh?

Get bent, Republicans.
 
2014-01-06 01:11:35 PM

whither_apophis: Somacandra: Senator McCain and Graham: "While many Iraqis are responsible for this strategic disaster, the administration cannot escape its share of the blame," the senators said in a joint statement. "When President Obama withdrew all U.S. forces ... over the objections of our military leaders and commanders on the ground...

Even given that the withdrawal agreement was signed by the previous Administration, are Senators really suggesting we occupy Iraq with boots on the ground against the will of its government? I recall President Bush repeatedly emphasizing that this would not and should not be done. And he was right.

"Sen. McCain, General Shinseki is on line two."


iLol'd

// that's "United States Secretary of Veterans Affairs GEN Eric Shinseki" to you, bub
 
2014-01-06 01:13:32 PM
On the run.
 
2014-01-06 01:13:48 PM

Maud Dib: Good fiction book about the Battle of the Bulge.


[jacketupload.macmillanusa.com image 403x648]

Fark you, subby, and fark you, modmins for greenlighting this crap.


From the front cover: "Imagine Saving Private Ryan minus everything but the battle scenes. -Dipsh*t."

I can.  It's called a video game.  Real wars have stories that are shaped by the atrocities of war, not mindless bloodshed kept out of context.  Publisher of said book, you really sowed up the Faux Patriot demographic, no one else.
 
2014-01-06 01:13:52 PM

Maud Dib: Good fiction book about the Battle of the Bulge.


[jacketupload.macmillanusa.com image 403x648]

Fark you, subby, and fark you, modmins for greenlighting this crap.


The Bulge was so messed up. Hitler put all of his remaining eggs to an attack that relied on a non-existent supply system and the weather. Most scholars tend to think he shortened the Reich's time because he routed all these units West instead of East, where they should have been against the Soviets. Some even go so far as to posit that the post-war world may have changed because the Allies would have been able to take much more of Germany if the East had had the units Hitler sent to their doom in the Ardennes.
 
2014-01-06 01:13:57 PM
Ah, good ol' ClownHall. Wrong about everything, always.

imagizer.imageshack.us
 
2014-01-06 01:14:00 PM

trotsky: I really do think these people are morons of the highest caliber.


Oh, no, they're not morons.  They're sociopaths.  Very different.

Morons don't know how many people they'll kill to achieve their goals.

Sociopaths know exactly how many people they'll kill, and don't care.

Not sending the whole gang to the Hague on Jan 21st 2008 was the biggest mistake of the Obama Presidency.
 
2014-01-06 01:15:22 PM

RyogaM: Remember when Republicans said Obama didn't deserve any credit for withdrawing from Iraq because he was just following the agreement for withdraw that Bush made?  I guess that Surge wasn't as successful as you all thought it was, huh?

Get bent, Republicans.


Gas Prices Up:  Obama.
Gas Prices Down:  But but but presidents don't affect gas prices!

SSDI - same sh*t different issue
 
2014-01-06 01:15:30 PM
i.imgur.com

well, at least they are consistent.
 
2014-01-06 01:16:39 PM

Superjew: trotsky: I really do think these people are morons of the highest caliber.

Oh, no, they're not morons.  They're sociopaths.  Very different.

Morons don't know how many people they'll kill to achieve their goals.

Sociopaths know exactly how many people they'll kill, and don't care.

Not sending the whole gang to the Hague on Jan 21st 2008 was the biggest mistake of the Obama Presidency.


I am pretty sure more useful endeavors could be had by the magic time machine than just trips 365 days to the past.
 
2014-01-06 01:17:14 PM
Good grief, the people who read Town Hall on a regular basis must be incredible morons...
 
2014-01-06 01:17:34 PM

trotsky: Maud Dib: Good fiction book about the Battle of the Bulge.


[jacketupload.macmillanusa.com image 403x648]

Fark you, subby, and fark you, modmins for greenlighting this crap.

The Bulge was so messed up. Hitler put all of his remaining eggs to an attack that relied on a non-existent supply system and the weather. Most scholars tend to think he shortened the Reich's time because he routed all these units West instead of East, where they should have been against the Soviets. Some even go so far as to posit that the post-war world may have changed because the Allies would have been able to take much more of Germany if the East had had the units Hitler sent to their doom in the Ardennes.


What I never understood was why the Allies would think the Germans would never repeat what they had already done twice in the 20th century--rapidly push out of the Ardennes and head West ASAP. The last time they did it was in 1939.

I understand about believing the Nazis were spent but to not cover their warm traditional path of welcome is unbelievable.
 
2014-01-06 01:17:38 PM
While the battle of the bulge was a tremendous tactical victory for the Germans, at least at first, it was an incomprehensible strategic disaster on every other level

Great analogy.....
 
2014-01-06 01:18:52 PM

thamike: [mentalfloss.com image 640x430]


If I repeatedly bash your face into this, it looks like a f*cking hot dog.  Or else.


i.imgur.com

Is it a boat?
 
2014-01-06 01:19:34 PM

Sid_6.7: Why was this trollish POS greened?


As if this one particular link will besmirch an otherwise sterling track record of vetted, credible articles and reasonable discourse here in the Fark politics tab.

"Why?" Pfffft.
 
2014-01-06 01:20:46 PM

vernonFL: Have McCain and Graham EVER met a war they didn't like??


Lybia when Obama got involved and Syria when it looked like Obama would get involved.
 
2014-01-06 01:24:52 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: trotsky: Maud Dib: Good fiction book about the Battle of the Bulge.


[jacketupload.macmillanusa.com image 403x648]

Fark you, subby, and fark you, modmins for greenlighting this crap.

The Bulge was so messed up. Hitler put all of his remaining eggs to an attack that relied on a non-existent supply system and the weather. Most scholars tend to think he shortened the Reich's time because he routed all these units West instead of East, where they should have been against the Soviets. Some even go so far as to posit that the post-war world may have changed because the Allies would have been able to take much more of Germany if the East had had the units Hitler sent to their doom in the Ardennes.

What I never understood was why the Allies would think the Germans would never repeat what they had already done twice in the 20th century--rapidly push out of the Ardennes and head West ASAP. The last time they did it was in 1939.

I understand about believing the Nazis were spent but to not cover their warm traditional path of welcome is unbelievable.


Allied Intelligence knew something was up. By this point the Germans had began to adapt to the lack of the Luftwaffe by hiding their force build-ups. The Ardennes luckily had plenty of cover. Like the Chinese attack in Northern Korea in 1950, nobody at the top believed it would happen. The Germans were damn lucky and almost did what they set out to do. Guts and some balls prevented them.
 
2014-01-06 01:26:54 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: How low-functioning does someone have to be to simultaneously hold the ideas "Cut gubmint spending to zero for freedom" and "Our military must be invincible and deployed worldwide forever so Al Kayder don't blow up what for the Skeeter Holler grange hall?"


Here's a list of good to bad in their minds.

American Whites>US Government>Browns>Rest of the World.

//The order in the middle may be a bit mixed up, but basically it.
 
2014-01-06 01:29:41 PM

thamike: [mentalfloss.com image 640x430]


If I repeatedly bash your face into this, it looks like a f*cking hot dog.  Or else.


It's  Schooner.
 
2014-01-06 01:30:13 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: What I never understood was why the Allies would think the Germans would never repeat what they had already done twice in the 20th century--rapidly push out of the Ardennes and head West ASAP. The last time they did it was in 1939.

I understand about believing the Nazis were spent but to not cover their warm traditional path of welcome is unbelievable.


Generally, when that sort of thing happens, you get warnings.  You see troops being moved around by aerial reconnaissance.  You hear them being moved by their radio transmissions, and even if you can't read the actual messages, you can follow the movements by successively DF'ing their transmissions.  And a lack of transmissions can be an indicator also.  Spies that can count vehicles and the like and report back are helpful (like local resistance movements).

The problem is that none of these things were available to the Allies.  Aerial photography was shut down by the bad weather.  The Germans no longer needed to use radio transmissions as much because they were on their own soil and could use the conventional telephone and telegraph lines to communicate.  The information given to the Allies about German movements by the French Resistance was no longer available.

There just was no real solid intelligence that the Germans were going to do what they did.
 
2014-01-06 01:32:08 PM

Superjew: trotsky: I really do think these people are morons of the highest caliber.

Oh, no, they're not morons.  They're sociopaths.  Very different.

Morons don't know how many people they'll kill to achieve their goals.

Sociopaths know exactly how many people they'll kill, and don't care.

Not sending the whole gang to the Hague on Jan 21st 2008 was the biggest mistake of the Obama Presidency.


i301.photobucket.com
The one time it would have done some good.
 
2014-01-06 01:32:13 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: trotsky: Maud Dib: Good fiction book about the Battle of the Bulge.


[jacketupload.macmillanusa.com image 403x648]

Fark you, subby, and fark you, modmins for greenlighting this crap.

The Bulge was so messed up. Hitler put all of his remaining eggs to an attack that relied on a non-existent supply system and the weather. Most scholars tend to think he shortened the Reich's time because he routed all these units West instead of East, where they should have been against the Soviets. Some even go so far as to posit that the post-war world may have changed because the Allies would have been able to take much more of Germany if the East had had the units Hitler sent to their doom in the Ardennes.

What I never understood was why the Allies would think the Germans would never repeat what they had already done twice in the 20th century--rapidly push out of the Ardennes and head West ASAP. The last time they did it was in 1939.

I understand about believing the Nazis were spent but to not cover their warm traditional path of welcome is unbelievable.


The same reason that they attempted the disaster of Market Garden.

The assumption that the Germans were broken and the Allies were simply looking to throw the KO punch.

The winter of 1944-45 was supposed to be about getting forces ready and in position to march into German against minimal resistance.

Ironically, that position was largely true after the Ardennes Offensive failed miserably on a strategic level.

Also, the Western Allies were stretched fairly thin in the fall of 1944 (long supply lines, too much territory occupied too quickly, etc). They didn't have the resources to cover the entire front, so somewhere had to be left thin. Why not the place with the greatest terrain advantage?
 
2014-01-06 01:33:43 PM

OnlyM3: Obama's been retreating on all fronts. Why not this one too?


There was no Al Qaeda in Iraq until Bush invaded.
 
2014-01-06 01:34:21 PM
It's been true since Roman times--if you want to find a German army, look in the forest.
 
2014-01-06 01:35:00 PM

macross87: "War is Hell"

- Bill Murray


Rand Paul

Fixed.
 
2014-01-06 01:36:22 PM
So I guess we need to go back to Iraq and fix the problem. Then we should cut taxes to pay for it. Because this time I'm so sure it will work. We just need to shoot more freedom.
 
2014-01-06 01:37:43 PM

Vlad_the_Inaner: thamike: [mentalfloss.com image 640x430]


If I repeatedly bash your face into this, it looks like a f*cking hot dog.  Or else.

[i.imgur.com image 366x270]

Is it a boat?


It's a Schooner.
 
2014-01-06 01:38:03 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: It's been true since Roman times--if you want to find a German army, look in the forest.


VARRO GIVE ME BACK MY OBAMACARE!
 
2014-01-06 01:38:47 PM

trotsky: TheShavingofOccam123: trotsky: Maud Dib: Good fiction book about the Battle of the Bulge.


[jacketupload.macmillanusa.com image 403x648]

Fark you, subby, and fark you, modmins for greenlighting this crap.

The Bulge was so messed up. Hitler put all of his remaining eggs to an attack that relied on a non-existent supply system and the weather. Most scholars tend to think he shortened the Reich's time because he routed all these units West instead of East, where they should have been against the Soviets. Some even go so far as to posit that the post-war world may have changed because the Allies would have been able to take much more of Germany if the East had had the units Hitler sent to their doom in the Ardennes.

What I never understood was why the Allies would think the Germans would never repeat what they had already done twice in the 20th century--rapidly push out of the Ardennes and head West ASAP. The last time they did it was in 1939.

I understand about believing the Nazis were spent but to not cover their warm traditional path of welcome is unbelievable.

Allied Intelligence knew something was up. By this point the Germans had began to adapt to the lack of the Luftwaffe by hiding their force build-ups. The Ardennes luckily had plenty of cover. Like the Chinese attack in Northern Korea in 1950, nobody at the top believed it would happen. The Germans were damn lucky and almost did what they set out to do. Guts and some balls prevented them.


Not really. The Germans stood to make huge local gains, but they weren't in any position to make any real strategic gains (such as closing Antwerp), let alone convince the West to agree to a negotiated peace. The best result of the Ardennes Offensive was likely a delayed Western invasion of Germany and more territory occupied by the Soviets.

Like the Spring Offensive in 1918, they could win battles and take land, but they weren't going anywhere that would win them the war.
 
2014-01-06 01:39:34 PM
Gee, it's almost like Republicans shouldn't have lied us into getting entangled in a completely unnecessary war in Iraq in the first place.
 
2014-01-06 01:41:09 PM
The funny thing is that I bet a lot of GOP morons would try to argue, with a straight face, that the ACA is a bigger policy blunder than the Bush Administration's Iraq war.
 
2014-01-06 01:42:10 PM

flondrix: OnlyM3: Obama's been retreating on all fronts. Why not this one too?

There was no Al Qaeda in Iraq until Bush invaded.


Yep. Militants will sneak in the minute the stable, though evil, guy in charge is deposed.
 
2014-01-06 01:44:48 PM

Chummer45: The funny thing is that I bet a lot of GOP morons would try to argue, with a straight face, that the ACA is a bigger policy blunder than the Bush Administration's Iraq war.


While saying that Obama doesn't get credit for getting out of Iraq because it was Bush's plan and it is entirely Obama's fault for the rise in violence since then. While screaming "b-b-b-but Bush" every time anyone points out how his policies had an impact beyound November 4, 2008.
 
2014-01-06 01:45:32 PM

trotsky: Jesus Christ, these people. Bush and his band of merry morons entered into the country with absolutely no plans for the termination of the conflict. Even the goddamn JCS and most of the top brass had zero idea on how to end it, or for that matter how to fight it. That's why 5,000 American lost their lives: because the Bush Administration and the top commanders had no idea what they were going to encounter and absolutely no plans to end the farking war.

I really do think these people are morons of the highest caliber.


Actually, it's worse than that.  They drew up the plans back during the FIRST Gulf War, Cheney and Rumsfield.  They successfully predicted then how many troops they would need to occupy Iraq, what they would need to secure, the problems with sectarian violence, and the need to preserve the Iraqi army.  Then they ignored all of that when they finally had the chance to invade 10 years later.
 
2014-01-06 01:48:14 PM

thamike: If I repeatedly bash your face into this, it looks like a f*cking hot dog.  Or else.


It's actually a bunch of ripples in the background..  Seriously.  I've always been good at seeing these pictures.
 
2014-01-06 01:50:17 PM
Hey, there's a civil war in Iraq. Did Sen. McCain and Sen. Graham not get the memo?
 
2014-01-06 01:50:45 PM
TheShavingofOccam123
That isn't to say Obama pushed to keep troops there; he did.

I'm going to go ahead and predict that this will be the 'official' Democratic Party response (meaning, the one pushed by all the Very Serious People in the party leadership)- not that this is the Republicans' fault and everything the anti-war people said would happen is happening, but that Obama DID try to keep the troops in Iraq.


Superjew
Not sending the whole gang to the Hague on Jan 21st 2008 was the biggest mistake of the Obama Presidency.

People keep calling these kinds of things "mistakes" instead of recognizing that they are successes.
 
2014-01-06 01:50:53 PM

Satanic_Hamster: trotsky: Jesus Christ, these people. Bush and his band of merry morons entered into the country with absolutely no plans for the termination of the conflict. Even the goddamn JCS and most of the top brass had zero idea on how to end it, or for that matter how to fight it. That's why 5,000 American lost their lives: because the Bush Administration and the top commanders had no idea what they were going to encounter and absolutely no plans to end the farking war.

I really do think these people are morons of the highest caliber.

Actually, it's worse than that.  They drew up the plans back during the FIRST Gulf War, Cheney and Rumsfield.  They successfully predicted then how many troops they would need to occupy Iraq, what they would need to secure, the problems with sectarian violence, and the need to preserve the Iraqi army.  Then they ignored all of that when they finally had the chance to invade 10 years later.


It's way worse than that. Remember Dick Cheney was involved in the first Iraq War.

"Now you can say, well, you should have gone to Baghdad and gotten Saddam. I don't think so. I think if we had done that we would have been bogged down there for a very long period of time with the real possibility we might not have succeeded. "
 
2014-01-06 01:51:52 PM

Phil McKraken: Satanic_Hamster: trotsky: Jesus Christ, these people. Bush and his band of merry morons entered into the country with absolutely no plans for the termination of the conflict. Even the goddamn JCS and most of the top brass had zero idea on how to end it, or for that matter how to fight it. That's why 5,000 American lost their lives: because the Bush Administration and the top commanders had no idea what they were going to encounter and absolutely no plans to end the farking war.

I really do think these people are morons of the highest caliber.

Actually, it's worse than that.  They drew up the plans back during the FIRST Gulf War, Cheney and Rumsfield.  They successfully predicted then how many troops they would need to occupy Iraq, what they would need to secure, the problems with sectarian violence, and the need to preserve the Iraqi army.  Then they ignored all of that when they finally had the chance to invade 10 years later.

It's way worse than that. Remember Dick Cheney was involved in the first Iraq War.

"Now you can say, well, you should have gone to Baghdad and gotten Saddam. I don't think so. I think if we had done that we would have been bogged down there for a very long period of time with the real possibility we might not have succeeded. "


I'll work on my reading comprehension, Satanic_Hamster.
 
2014-01-06 02:23:19 PM
www.regjans.com
 
2014-01-06 02:26:41 PM
It was the Bush administration that made the agreement with the Iraq government to withdraw American forces from Iraq by the end of 2011. Fallujah is Iraq's problem now and they're not asking for help. Do these Townhall people want another invasion of Iraq? Was Obama supposed to renege on the withdrawal agreement. The fact that Al Qaeda has a strong presence in Iraq shows why we should have left Saddam Hussein alone in the first place.
 
2014-01-06 02:28:53 PM

oryx: It was the Bush administration that made the agreement with the Iraq government to withdraw American forces from Iraq by the end of 2011. Fallujah is Iraq's problem now and they're not asking for help. Do these Townhall people want another invasion of Iraq? Was Obama supposed to renege on the withdrawal agreement. The fact that Al Qaeda has a strong presence in Iraq shows why we should have left Saddam Hussein alone in the first place.


Townhall wants boots on the ground so that they can be against the Democratic President sending troops into Iraq and then they can point hout how BSABVR.
 
2014-01-06 02:33:09 PM

Fart_Machine: Clownhall rooting for Al Qaeda?


Enemy of my enemy is my friend, right?
 
2014-01-06 02:40:13 PM
Just remember when it comes to Iraqi and Afghanistan:

cdn.head-fi.org
 
2014-01-06 02:41:53 PM
As a patriotic American, I could care less which group of Muslims owns Fallujah. I'm just grateful that no more of my fellow Americans are being killed and crippled over there. We never should have gone in the first place, the job was poorly planned and botched and now it is over.

Therefore it follows that I think any politician or writer making a fuss about this should just stop, because what they are actually advocating is killing more Americans.
 
2014-01-06 02:44:53 PM

coeyagi: RyogaM: Remember when Republicans said Obama didn't deserve any credit for withdrawing from Iraq because he was just following the agreement for withdraw that Bush made?  I guess that Surge wasn't as successful as you all thought it was, huh?

Get bent, Republicans.

Gas Prices Up:  Obama.
Gas Prices Down:  But but but presidents don't affect gas prices!

SSDI - same sh*t different issue


We Get Out of Iraq: Thanks Obama for getting us out!
We Get Out of Iraq, and Al Qaeda has a Big Win There: It was Bush's deal!

Same game goes both ways.
 
2014-01-06 02:51:38 PM

EWreckedSean: coeyagi: RyogaM: Remember when Republicans said Obama didn't deserve any credit for withdrawing from Iraq because he was just following the agreement for withdraw that Bush made?  I guess that Surge wasn't as successful as you all thought it was, huh?

Get bent, Republicans.

Gas Prices Up:  Obama.
Gas Prices Down:  But but but presidents don't affect gas prices!

SSDI - same sh*t different issue

We Get Out of Iraq: Thanks Obama for getting us out!
We Get Out of Iraq, and Al Qaeda has a Big Win There: It was Bush's deal!

Same game goes both ways.


Your mind: Where this is true.
Reality: Where this is potato.

varmitydog: As a patriotic American, I could care less which group of Muslims owns Fallujah. I'm just grateful that no more of my fellow Americans are being killed and crippled over there. We never should have gone in the first place, the job was poorly planned and botched and now it is over.

Therefore it follows that I think any politician or writer making a fuss about this should just stop, because what they are actually advocating is killing more Americans.


^This^
 
2014-01-06 02:55:10 PM

joonyer: Your mind: Where this is true.
Reality: Where this is potato.


I love partisan people. They actually convince themselves that it is all the other guy.
 
2014-01-06 02:59:43 PM

EWreckedSean: coeyagi: RyogaM: Remember when Republicans said Obama didn't deserve any credit for withdrawing from Iraq because he was just following the agreement for withdraw that Bush made?  I guess that Surge wasn't as successful as you all thought it was, huh?

Get bent, Republicans.

Gas Prices Up:  Obama.
Gas Prices Down:  But but but presidents don't affect gas prices!

SSDI - same sh*t different issue

We Get Out of Iraq: Thanks Obama for getting us out!
We Get Out of Iraq, and Al Qaeda has a Big Win There: It was Bush's deal!

Same game goes both ways.


This is kinda a retarded statement, ace.

Bush got us into this mess.  Bush signed the deal to get us out and Obama kept the deal.
Only in your ravenous, craven, rabid mind do us libs give Obama sole credit for getting us out of Iraq.
But no one can argue who got us the f*ck in.  Regardless of who gets the credit for getting us out, we all know who is ultimately to blame for this happening - the asshole who lied us into war in the first place.
 
2014-01-06 03:01:28 PM

EWreckedSean: We Get Out of Iraq: Thanks Obama for getting us out!
We Get Out of Iraq, and Al Qaeda has a Big Win There: It was Bush's deal!

Same game goes both ways.


It goes one way.

Bush:  We're invading Iraq, dismantling the Baath party government, and dissolving the army!
People:  If we do that, we'll be stuck in the middle of a civil war that we have no business in!
Bush:  Nope!
Reality:  Yep!
Bush:  OK, we'll get out.
Obama:  We'll get out.
Republicans:  Slow going?  What gives?
Reality:  He's following the timeline.
Obama:  OK, we're out.
Republicans: Look what you got us out of!  We told you this would happen!
Everyone else: ???
Republicans: Nyeh!

So shove it.
 
2014-01-06 03:17:50 PM
Also, we could have won Vietnam if the government would just let the troops win.  Sure, we dropped more tonnage of bombs on Vietnam than all the nations in WWII dropped on each other combined, but we just weren't doing it enough.  Surely, if we had killed every single human in Vietnam then they would have no choice but to surrender.

Suck it, libs.
 
2014-01-06 03:27:14 PM
Stupid unnecessary wars cause problems that last decades down the line.  World doesn't reboot on change of administration in the U.S.  Idiot neoconservatives want to cause more problems.
 
2014-01-06 03:34:10 PM
i1.kym-cdn.com
 
2014-01-06 03:40:24 PM

RyogaM: Remember when Republicans said Obama didn't deserve any credit for withdrawing from Iraq because he was just following the agreement for withdraw that Bush made?  I guess that Surge wasn't as successful as you all thought it was, huh?

Get bent, Republicans.


Those are oldfacts, these are goodfacts, they never like realfacts.
 
2014-01-06 03:40:35 PM

flondrix: OnlyM3: Obama's been retreating on all fronts. Why not this one too?

There was no Al Qaeda in Iraq until Bush invaded.


The enormous stupidity of this statement killed my cat.
 
2014-01-06 03:49:14 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: flondrix: OnlyM3: Obama's been retreating on all fronts. Why not this one too?

There was no Al Qaeda in Iraq until Bush invaded.

The enormous stupidity of this statement killed my cat.


Your cat sounds like an asshole.
 
2014-01-06 03:56:41 PM

bronyaur1: Fine situation you set up there, neoconservatards.  YOU farkING OWN THIS.


Wasn't Obama criticized by the GOP that his plan to pull out of Iraq was really just continuing Bush's time table and he deserved none of the credit? I guess blame doesn't work the same way.

It would be interesting to know how many of the Al Qaeda fighters holding Fallujah are veterans from the rebellion in Syria.
 
2014-01-06 04:02:57 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: trotsky: Maud Dib: Good fiction book about the Battle of the Bulge.


[jacketupload.macmillanusa.com image 403x648]

Fark you, subby, and fark you, modmins for greenlighting this crap.

The Bulge was so messed up. Hitler put all of his remaining eggs to an attack that relied on a non-existent supply system and the weather. Most scholars tend to think he shortened the Reich's time because he routed all these units West instead of East, where they should have been against the Soviets. Some even go so far as to posit that the post-war world may have changed because the Allies would have been able to take much more of Germany if the East had had the units Hitler sent to their doom in the Ardennes.

What I never understood was why the Allies would think the Germans would never repeat what they had already done twice in the 20th century--rapidly push out of the Ardennes and head West ASAP. The last time they did it was in 1939.

I understand about believing the Nazis were spent but to not cover their warm traditional path of welcome is unbelievable.


War is chaos. Allied supply lines in December 1944 were overextended to the point of breaking. And what Hitler did in 1940 had a very good chance of success against a demoralized enemy who had not yet learned the lessons of armored warfare.

What he did in 1944 was just straight-up crazy. It's hard to predict crazy. And if the weather hadn't kept the Mustangs grounded, the Germans would have barely gotten off the starting line.
 
2014-01-06 04:06:09 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: flondrix: OnlyM3: Obama's been retreating on all fronts. Why not this one too?

There was no Al Qaeda in Iraq until Bush invaded.

The enormous stupidity of this statement killed my cat.


Your cat dies from being bludgeoned by reality?  What a pussy.
 
2014-01-06 04:08:15 PM

coeyagi: Lt. Cheese Weasel: flondrix: OnlyM3: Obama's been retreating on all fronts. Why not this one too?

There was no Al Qaeda in Iraq until Bush invaded.

The enormous stupidity of this statement killed my cat.

Your cat dies from being bludgeoned by reality?  What a pussy.


I read that as "bludgeoned by realty."

i.huffpost.com
 
2014-01-06 04:15:42 PM
If only there was a ruthless dictator in charge that could keep these guys in check.
 
2014-01-06 04:17:15 PM
The beginning of the end for Hitler was when his expeditionary force failed to return the Arc of the Covenant from the sands of North Africa.  I seen this movie about that and some archaeologists, so it must be true.
 
2014-01-06 04:21:43 PM

EWreckedSean: joonyer: Your mind: Where this is true.
Reality: Where this is potato.

I love partisan people. They actually convince themselves that it is all the other guy.


You want more fighting?  Then get your sorry ass to a recruitment center and sign it up for service.  Put your goddamn money where your mouth is, Mr. Armchair General.  Otherwise, STFU.
 
2014-01-06 04:22:06 PM
I don't understand the analogy subby..
 
2014-01-06 04:40:57 PM

dennysgod: If only there was a ruthless dictator in charge that could keep these guys in check.


That was also willing to sell us oil for pennies on the dollar if we left him alone.
 
2014-01-06 05:04:16 PM

EWreckedSean: coeyagi: RyogaM: Remember when Republicans said Obama didn't deserve any credit for withdrawing from Iraq because he was just following the agreement for withdraw that Bush made?  I guess that Surge wasn't as successful as you all thought it was, huh?

Get bent, Republicans.

Gas Prices Up:  Obama.
Gas Prices Down:  But but but presidents don't affect gas prices!

SSDI - same sh*t different issue

We Get Out of Iraq: Thanks Obama for getting us out!
We Get Out of Iraq, and Al Qaeda has a Big Win There: It was Bush's deal!

Same game goes both ways.


BSABSVR?  From you?  I';M SHOCKED, I TELL YOU~! SHOCKED~!
 
2014-01-06 05:11:11 PM

mizchief: bronyaur1: Fine situation you set up there, neoconservatards.  YOU farkING OWN THIS.

Wasn't Obama criticized by the GOP that his plan to pull out of Iraq was really just continuing Bush's time table and he deserved none of the credit? I guess blame doesn't work the same way.

It would be interesting to know how many of the Al Qaeda fighters holding Fallujah are veterans from the rebellion in Syria.


Veterans of the Psychic Wars?
 
2014-01-06 05:35:21 PM

Mangoose: I like screaming into the wind.

Does anyone else like screaming into the wind?


I like farting in nunneries, personally, and then blaming it on the Holy Spirit.

/oh, naughty, naughty Zoot!
 
2014-01-06 08:56:37 PM
Truth of the matter, the Germans simply lucked out by being defeated as early as they were, and the Battle of the Bulge helped that happen.

Remember, Roosevelt and Churchill had made Germany their first priority, with Stalin happily agreeing since he was bearing the brunt of the dying. With that in mind, also remember (or learn if you didn't know) that the US atomic bombs were originally destined to be dropped on German heads.

Since it became obvious at the start of 1945 that the Nazis were spent, focus shifted to the Japanese, who still needed to be invaded, let alone defeated.
 
2014-01-06 09:02:31 PM
www.historyplace.com

"The enemy was on the ropes ... but we threw in the towel."
 
2014-01-06 09:19:40 PM

trotsky: flondrix: OnlyM3: Obama's been retreating on all fronts. Why not this one too?

There was no Al Qaeda in Iraq until Bush invaded.

Yep. Militants will sneak in the minute the stable, though evil, guy in charge is deposed.


I wonder if anyone even realizes that the al-Qaeda that's in Iraq right now has barely a nodding acquaintance with bin Laden's al-Qaeda. All they did was borrow the name. Bin Laden's al-Qaeda died with him.
 
2014-01-06 09:20:50 PM

Enitria: Truth of the matter, the Germans simply lucked out by being defeated as early as they were, and the Battle of the Bulge helped that happen.

Remember, Roosevelt and Churchill had made Germany their first priority, with Stalin happily agreeing since he was bearing the brunt of the dying. With that in mind, also remember (or learn if you didn't know) that the US atomic bombs were originally destined to be dropped on German heads.

Since it became obvious at the start of 1945 that the Nazis were spent, focus shifted to the Japanese, who still needed to be invaded, let alone defeated.


The Germans weren't nearly as dehumanized by our propaganda as the Japanese were.  It's much harder to justify that type of destruction without it.

And, for the record, the Japanese weren't helping their image with what we knew about the atrocities they were committing and how they were fighting as they were losing islands.  The worst of the German atrocities came to light after the fact
 
2014-01-06 10:10:54 PM

bhcompy: Enitria: Truth of the matter, the Germans simply lucked out by being defeated as early as they were, and the Battle of the Bulge helped that happen.

Remember, Roosevelt and Churchill had made Germany their first priority, with Stalin happily agreeing since he was bearing the brunt of the dying. With that in mind, also remember (or learn if you didn't know) that the US atomic bombs were originally destined to be dropped on German heads.

Since it became obvious at the start of 1945 that the Nazis were spent, focus shifted to the Japanese, who still needed to be invaded, let alone defeated.

The Germans weren't nearly as dehumanized by our propaganda as the Japanese were.  It's much harder to justify that type of destruction without it.

And, for the record, the Japanese weren't helping their image with what we knew about the atrocities they were committing and how they were fighting as they were losing islands.  The worst of the German atrocities came to light after the fact


If the Allies had nukes and Germany was still fighting, then they would not have hesitated to use them. The scale of the bombing makes that clear.

Not only were the Germans broken, but they had surrendered before the Trinity test, let alone the availability of an operational nuclear weapon.
 
2014-01-06 10:28:59 PM

Gyrfalcon: trotsky: flondrix: OnlyM3: Obama's been retreating on all fronts. Why not this one too?

There was no Al Qaeda in Iraq until Bush invaded.

Yep. Militants will sneak in the minute the stable, though evil, guy in charge is deposed.

I wonder if anyone even realizes that the al-Qaeda that's in Iraq right now has barely a nodding acquaintance with bin Laden's al-Qaeda. All they did was borrow the name. Bin Laden's al-Qaeda died with him.


Yep.  It was basically a marketing decision.

/No, really.
 
2014-01-06 10:54:05 PM

Sid_6.7: Why was this trollish POS greened?


Drew hires only the worst trolls to be politics tabs admins. He's very selective.

I've been trying for YEARS, but I just don't offend enough people.
 
2014-01-07 12:07:36 AM
although a tremendous battle that looked at first like the Germans might break thru it actually was an huge American victory. Although a costly one...Looks like Obama's critics are like the "American First'ers" lead by Charles Lindbergh ...Pseudo patriots who would like Obama to fail just to score minuscule, selfish political points. We beat the Nazis then and we'll beat these chumps now!! At home and abroad...
 
2014-01-07 12:31:03 AM
For the record, the "Battle of the Bulge" was not Hitler's last push in the war, "Operation Nordwind" was...  Sadly, history has forgotten the epic battles and heroism that the Allies performed in the Alsatian area of France.  While the "Bulge" was a significant defeat for Hitler, it was the complete failure of "Nordwind' that sealed the German fate.

/I am not trying to diminish the heroism many showed at the "Bulge" only trying to bring attention to the heroes on the Allied side that defeated "Nordwind."
 
2014-01-07 06:57:04 AM

RyogaM: Remember when Republicans said Obama didn't deserve any credit for withdrawing from Iraq because he was just following the agreement for withdraw that Bush made?  I guess that Surge wasn't as successful as you all thought it was, huh?

Get bent, Republicans.


Bribing the main militant factions to keep quiet while the US declared victory and could withdraw wasn't a solution for lasting peace in Iraq? Who knew?
 
2014-01-07 07:15:42 AM

AurizenDarkstar: EWreckedSean: joonyer: Your mind: Where this is true.
Reality: Where this is potato.

I love partisan people. They actually convince themselves that it is all the other guy.

You want more fighting?  Then get your sorry ass to a recruitment center and sign it up for service.  Put your goddamn money where your mouth is, Mr. Armchair General.  Otherwise, STFU.


Been there, done that, got the DD214 to prove it.

Of course, the only thing I fought was boredom.  By drinking.  A lot.

/Too old to enlist now.
//Yes, I checked.
 
2014-01-07 11:08:23 AM
Why hitler thought his least capable troops could pull off an amazing upset in the west after being embarrassed on every other front they fought on is beyond crazy though
 
2014-01-07 11:38:41 AM

Subtle_Canary: Why hitler thought his least capable troops could pull off an amazing upset in the west after being embarrassed on every other front they fought on is beyond crazy though


Hans Helmut Kirst agrees.
 
2014-01-07 12:16:07 PM

jpo2269: For the record, the "Battle of the Bulge" was not Hitler's last push in the war, "Operation Nordwind" was...  Sadly, history has forgotten the epic battles and heroism that the Allies performed in the Alsatian area of France.  While the "Bulge" was a significant defeat for Hitler, it was the complete failure of "Nordwind' that sealed the German fate.

/I am not trying to diminish the heroism many showed at the "Bulge" only trying to bring attention to the heroes on the Allied side that defeated "Nordwind."


It's not that Bulge was the last offensive op - it's that it came a lot closer to causing a serious problem than Nordwind. Obviously, neither would save the Reich, but the story told by Bulge is not only more interesting, but the Germans came rather close to causing a serious setback.

/Nordwind was a good Forgotten Hope map, though
 
2014-01-07 02:10:02 PM

Subtle_Canary: Why hitler thought his least capable troops could pull off an amazing upset in the west after being embarrassed on every other front they fought on is beyond crazy though


It was a Hail Mary.

It was the superbowl, 3 seconds left on the clock and down by 8 on your own 1 yardline with your backup QB in the game against the best defense ever. You have lost, but you may as well take the shot downfield. Maybe a miracle happens and you get a touchdown, a two point convert, and then you can win in OT.

The idea was if they could get a shocking victory, they might be able to convince the West to negotiate (and maybe even take action to stop the Soviets after). It was a desparate gamble and I doubt any German thought it had more than a negligable chance of success.

They really had 3 courses of action:
1) Desperate virtually guaranteed failure offensive.
2) Slow defensive war guaranteed to result in defeat.
3) Unconditional surrender.

Hitler wasn't taking the third option (best for the German people) so it makes sense to take the first.
 
2014-01-07 03:48:54 PM

jpo2269: For the record, the "Battle of the Bulge" was not Hitler's last push in the war, "Operation Nordwind" was...  Sadly, history has forgotten the epic battles and heroism that the Allies performed in the Alsatian area of France.  While the "Bulge" was a significant defeat for Hitler, it was the complete failure of "Nordwind' that sealed the German fate.

/I am not trying to diminish the heroism many showed at the "Bulge" only trying to bring attention to the heroes on the Allied side that defeated "Nordwind."


not denigrating Nordwind heroism but it was penny anty to the Bulge...The 101st Screaming Eagles and the 10th Armd Division saved western society at Bastonge...
 
2014-01-07 06:53:36 PM
I would hardly call a small increase in casualties and financial expenditure (in relative terms), VE day in summer or fall instead of spring, and a bit more of Germany under Soviet control as the end of western society.A German breakthrough would have cost the Allies a pile of men and materiel to regain the lost territory, but wouldn't have went anywhere in the long term. And once the offensive inevitably stalled out (once the Allies brought their air power to bear, at the latest) the Germans would be even more overextended and vulnerable.And Nordwind gives an idea what would happen when the Germans attacked Allied units stretched thin (all assets that could be sent to the Ardennes had been, hence the Germans attacking in the first place) with proper support. The German military was running on fumes and got extremely lucky in the Ardennes to get as far as they did.
 
2014-01-07 09:13:59 PM

dywed88: I would hardly call a small increase in casualties and financial expenditure (in relative terms), VE day in summer or fall instead of spring, and a bit more of Germany under Soviet control as the end of western society.A German breakthrough would have cost the Allies a pile of men and materiel to regain the lost territory, but wouldn't have went anywhere in the long term. And once the offensive inevitably stalled out (once the Allies brought their air power to bear, at the latest) the Germans would be even more overextended and vulnerable.And Nordwind gives an idea what would happen when the Germans attacked Allied units stretched thin (all assets that could be sent to the Ardennes had been, hence the Germans attacking in the first place) with proper support. The German military was running on fumes and got extremely lucky in the Ardennes to get as far as they did.


You forget or unaware of the Luftwaffe's presence in the BotB...They gave the Americans/Brits some nasty surprises during it. It is plausible that if the Germans had taken Antwerp as was their goal and split the Allied line that they would then have been able to (relatively) safely transfer troops back to the eastern front to hold off the Russians while digging in and holding the Americans, British and Canadians off in the west. The US Army lost more men kia'd in the BotB than the entire US Marine Corp lost kia'd in the pacific war. (True, look it up.) The Germans nearly succeeded and it was b/c of GI Joe dogface that they didn't. Our Generals were fooled. Our troops fought beyond heroism! Nordwind, while ferocious, was truly a last gasp offensively for the Germans in the west. The BotB was the real thing...
 
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