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(Slate)   A mere 150 years after getting its ass handed to it by the Union, North Carolina is finally winning a civil war--against its own teachers   (slate.com) divider line 40
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2014-01-06 10:33:12 AM
25 votes:
Yes, they should of.
2014-01-06 12:25:08 PM
5 votes:

wambu: Job security in the form of tenure was abolished. Extra pay for graduate degrees was eliminated. Extra pay for graduate degrees was eliminated.

As a teacher, I don't have a problem with this. These things are routinely abused and studies have not found a link between them and children receiving a better education because of them.
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I was with you until  { clearInterval(timer); but I find that argument rather weak.
2014-01-06 10:26:31 AM
5 votes:
After adjusting for inflation, North Carolina lowered teacher salaries nearly 16 percent from 2002 to 2012, while other states had a median decline of 1 percent. A first-year teacher in North Carolina makes $30,800.

They should of studied something better in college then teaching and maybe they wouldn't be in this situation. As a small business owner, if I see an outfit that is lowering profit for 10 years, I don't invest in that operation. These people need to read an economics book.
2014-01-06 11:13:04 AM
4 votes:

sigdiamond2000: They should of studied something better in college then teaching and maybe they wouldn't be in this situation. As a small business owner, if I see an outfit that is lowering profit for 10 years, I don't invest in that operation. These people need to read an economics book.


I hope someone in your small business proofreads your letters before you send them out.
2014-01-06 11:15:17 AM
3 votes:
Its simple, you raise a generation of stupid uneducated children and they in turn become voting republicans.
2014-01-06 11:05:53 AM
3 votes:

sigdiamond2000: They should of studied something better in college then teaching and maybe they wouldn't be in this situation.


Studied it from whom?
Idiot.
2014-01-06 01:23:47 PM
2 votes:

mithras_angel: Snarfangel: Oldiron_79: If this was Georgia I think I know what Fark's reaction would be

You are thinking of Florida. Please stop that.

He failed geography.

Blame his teacher.


images.sodahead.com

Maybe he didn't have any maps...
2014-01-06 12:50:04 PM
2 votes:
After six years of no real raises, we have fallen to 46th in teacher pay.

If every teacher in America was given a million dollar pay increase, then NC would still rank 46th in teacher pay.  THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!
2014-01-06 11:51:18 AM
2 votes:

MyRandomName: Anayalator: 1) That is half the reason I left NC for CA
2) I don't do it for the money, but why are we teachers making less than ten years ago?

Because they were making too much 10 years ago. Noe adjust these numbers by including benefits. Pay goes down, healthcare benefit costs go up. Actual compensation for teachers stays the same.

Teachers, when you include all comoensation and adjust for hours worked (refer to bls.gov, teachers self report fewer yearly hours worked than most industries), teachers do pretty well.

Add that to the fact that teaching isn't exactlt a difficult major in college (below average entrance exams) and teachers are doing really well compared to their peers.


Something is wrong with your keyboard.  You should have it checked out.
2014-01-06 11:19:51 AM
2 votes:

monoski: Maybe they can pray to learn.
//I hear prayer is the answer to all your needs in NC


The richest person in Charlotte is a megachurch owner, so it works!
2014-01-06 11:17:46 AM
2 votes:
Maybe they can pray to learn.
//I hear prayer is the answer to all your needs in NC
2014-01-06 11:15:35 AM
2 votes:
We learned that, only a few months into the school year, our middle school had no more paper and printer ink and no funds to buy more. The next morning, parents brought them in.

No! Now the legislators will cut even more money because "the students can supply their own supplies."
2014-01-06 11:14:06 AM
2 votes:

WickerNipple: sigdiamond2000:
They should of studied something better in college then teaching and maybe they wouldn't be in this situation. As a small business owner, if I see an outfit that is lowering profit for 10 years, I don't invest in that operation. These people need to read an economics book.

Perhaps they genuinely care about education and children?


Won't you think of the children?!

.....

Ok, you can stop thinking about the children now.
2014-01-06 11:12:46 AM
2 votes:
"...North Carolina finally gains the upper hand against a union" would have also been acceptable.
2014-01-06 05:30:45 PM
1 votes:

gimmegimme: One thing is for sure...smart people vote Democrat and the welfare queen states vote Republican.

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Yep, here are some of those smart people who didn't vote Republican here:

focusonthelittlethings.files.wordpress.com
2014-01-06 04:54:37 PM
1 votes:

TomD9938: dwrash: I can honestly say that after 12 years of public school and college, I only ever met 3 teachers that were worth their salary.  The rest were just doing time


That's amazing.

My experience has been the exact opposite.  I can count on one hand the number of duds I had (from 1974 to 1992).

Two of them were very near retirement and were just phoning it in, while the other two that I can remember were pretty much insane.


I had some really great teachers, some really shiatty teachers, and some batshiat crazy teachers. The conclusion I now come to is that teachers are in fact people.
2014-01-06 03:17:49 PM
1 votes:

gimmegimme: Turbo Cojones: Anayalator: 1) That is half the reason I left NC for CA
2) I don't do it for the money, but why are we teachers making less than ten years ago?

Isn't everyone? Serious

Nope.

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Can we assume the top 1% are probably pretty educated in order to make all that money? So according to the other charts on this thread most of the 1%er's must vote democrat and therefore are the evil ones.
2014-01-06 01:14:26 PM
1 votes:

TomD9938:
gimmegimme:

Has it occurred to you that people who have more education just might, on average, be smarter and know more than people who have less education?


More knowledgeable, yes.

Smarter?

I'm not so convinced.


Case in point:

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A man who managed to wrangle two degrees from Ivy-League schools, without ever actually attending any classes, who then went on to become Governor and then President. Now he does paint-by-the-numbers pictures and is so proud of that fact that he's touring the country on his artistic talent.
2014-01-06 12:37:36 PM
1 votes:

UNC_Samurai: mbillips: You know what states have the worst education results? The ones where public school teachers DON'T have unions, like North Carolina. None of the Southeastern states allow teachers to join an actual union that does collective bargaining. They have "professional associations" that lobby a little, but that's it.

Also, TFA's author has a bit of a "both sides are bad" problem.

How did this happen? Both political parties share responsibility. When the recession began, the Democrats in power froze teacher pay. After years of salary stagnation, in 2013, Republicans made the following changes: Job security in the form of tenure was abolished. Extra pay for graduate degrees was eliminated. A new law created vouchers so that private academies could dip into the shrinking pool of money that the public schools have left. While requiring schools to adopt the Common Core standards, the legislature slashed materials budgets. According to the National Education Association, we fell to 48th in per-pupil expenditures. State funds for books were cut by about 80 percent, to allocate only $14.26 a year per student. Because you can't buy even one textbook on that budget, teachers are creating their own materials at night after a long day of work.

So, Democrats responded to a collapse in state revenue by freezing salaries (not just teachers, all state employees), which happened to public employees across the country. Republicans eliminated tenure, slashed merit pay, created a voucher program that allows bible academies and home schoolers to drain off education funding, virtually eliminated spending on books and materials, and in the process drove a lot of good teachers out of state. So both sides did it, mmhmm, I see.

I hate to say it, but "both sides are bad" sadly holds true in North Carolina. Part of the reason we're being held hostage by the Teahadists is decades of Democratic corruption. Mike Easley and Meg Scott Phipps did this state no favors.

Although to be fair, i ...


Hey, I live in Georgia. We went almost overnight from a one-party state of corrupt, racist mouth-breathers with no ideas to a one-party state of corrupt, racist mouthbreathers whose ideas will wreck society. I MUCH prefer the former.
2014-01-06 12:37:24 PM
1 votes:

chitlenz: mbillips: So, Democrats responded to a collapse in state revenue by freezing salaries (not just teachers, all state employees), which happened to public employees across the country. Republicans eliminated tenure, slashed merit pay, created a voucher program that allows bible academies and home schoolers to drain off education funding, virtually eliminated spending on books and materials, and in the process drove a lot of good teachers out of state. So both sides did it, mmhmm, I see.

About that "freeze in pay" for all state employees.... not so much:

http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/01/10/2598132/gov-pat-mccrory-gives -h is-cabinet.html


Hey, look, he's just being corrupt, that's nowhere near as bad as ~unions~
2014-01-06 12:05:17 PM
1 votes:

Anayalator: 2) I don't do it for the money, but why are we teachers making less than ten years ago?


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2014-01-06 11:57:34 AM
1 votes:

Pocket Ninja: Yes, they should of.


The teachers should of then and. The principals obviously caught say of.
2014-01-06 11:55:34 AM
1 votes:
It is highly credible that teachers in NC (and many other places) are underpaid, but I object to measures by state ranking. I think that's been an acute problem for education funding. The promoters rarely give any attention to objective measures of outcome. Zero-sum state rankings are especially bad.

Did you now that by every single measure, there are dozens of states below average? The numbers are as bad as they were in 1970! No wonder this country is in so much trouble!
2014-01-06 11:53:24 AM
1 votes:

TomD9938: FTA  : Gap store managers on average make about $56,000.


Price?
Tea?
China?

As if successfully running any retail operation is some sort of a cake walk.

It's one of the PR problems teachers have.

Many of them believe that theres is the toughest of occupations and that the rest of us get paid for just showing up.


North Carolina educated?
2014-01-06 11:41:49 AM
1 votes:

Pocket Ninja: Yes, they should of.


HAH!! That's pretty farking funny man.  Teabaggers making grammar mistakes while criticizing education = priceless.
2014-01-06 11:38:13 AM
1 votes:
Book learnin' is for those elitist types anyhoo. Don't need no edgycation to drive a tractor,mow a lawn or work at Applebee's. Besides the Lord's coming back any day now and we're gettin' raptured outta this trailer court into mansions in the clouds. Except fer the Jews and the coloreds. Now don't get me wrong, we love Israel and don't cotton to no Muslins, but I think we all know where God stands on them Jewish fellers.
2014-01-06 11:27:08 AM
1 votes:

TheSwissNavy: Snarfangel: "...North Carolina finally gains the upper hand against a union" would have also been acceptable.

Yes. NC isnt warring against teachers or education, its fighting for fiscal solvency. The average public school teacher makes twice what they should, counting benefits and retirement.

The bigger issue is government retirement benefits in general. In 50 years, US life expectancy will be 90, thus bankrupting teacher retirement, SSI, etc. Government employee unions dont care, theyll bankrupt NC like they bankrupted CA and IL,which are insolvent and dependent on tax increases and asset selloffs to pay bills.


*snerk*
Whatever floats your boat.
/It's already protected from the elements, since it's under a bridge.
2014-01-06 11:26:26 AM
1 votes:

Pocket Ninja: Yes, they should of.


Reap what you so what.
2014-01-06 11:25:43 AM
1 votes:
skozlaw:
So many people seem to hold the idea that you can pay teacher's a mediocre salary, considering their eduction in particular, and still get quality applicants. Do these people believe this works anywhere else? Do they think you can hire an electrician who will do wiring for you for $20/hour and do a good job of it? A mechanic that will fix your car properly for $25/hour?

Why do people believe that there are certain jobs that you can offer mediocre pay and expect quality work? You would think you want to pay people who are working with and influencing your children a decent salary to encourage quality, but we're constantly talking about cutting pay and benefits, increasing workloads and jacking up performance metrics.


Teaching = Women's work
Women's work = They should do it for the love of helping others not for any expectation of financial reqard
2014-01-06 11:24:53 AM
1 votes:

ikanreed: dwrash: They should blame the teachers unions, school boards and other politicians that for decades agreed to contracts with unfunded liabilities.  All the funding has become due now and taxpayers cannot/will not pay up.  It's a shame our kids have to pay the ultimate price for this... but it was inevitable.

All contracts must be FULLY FUNDED NOW instead of later.

Yes, tell me about all the teacher unions in NC.


Unions baaaad; corporations goood.

/ I watched the old Animal Farm cartoon movie thingy on hulu the other day.
2014-01-06 11:24:08 AM
1 votes:

Snarfangel: "...North Carolina finally gains the upper hand against a union" would have also been acceptable.


Yes. NC isnt warring against teachers or education, its fighting for fiscal solvency. The average public school teacher makes twice what they should, counting benefits and retirement.

The bigger issue is government retirement benefits in general. In 50 years, US life expectancy will be 90, thus bankrupting teacher retirement, SSI, etc. Government employee unions dont care, theyll bankrupt NC like they bankrupted CA and IL,which are insolvent and dependent on tax increases and asset selloffs to pay bills.
2014-01-06 11:17:58 AM
1 votes:

macross87: Pocket Ninja: Yes, they should of.

Principle caught


Did they sayof what?


Maybe they should be trimming the administration and facilities budgets instead.  The basic function of a school is a teacher in a room.
2014-01-06 11:13:32 AM
1 votes:
FTA  : Gap store managers on average make about $56,000.


Price?
Tea?
China?

As if successfully running any retail operation is some sort of a cake walk.

It's one of the PR problems teachers have.

Many of them believe that theres is the toughest of occupations and that the rest of us get paid for just showing up.
2014-01-06 11:13:32 AM
1 votes:

Anayalator: 1) That is half the reason I left NC for CA
2) I don't do it for the money, but why are we teachers making less than ten years ago?


Because Fark you, that's why - NC GOP
2014-01-06 11:11:48 AM
1 votes:

dwrash: They should blame the teachers unions, school boards and other politicians that for decades agreed to contracts with unfunded liabilities.


Talk radio is getting really good at producing passionate vague statements that don't actually say anything.
2014-01-06 11:11:36 AM
1 votes:
Troll in one!
2014-01-06 11:08:36 AM
1 votes:
They should blame the teachers unions, school boards and other politicians that for decades agreed to contracts with unfunded liabilities.  All the funding has become due now and taxpayers cannot/will not pay up.  It's a shame our kids have to pay the ultimate price for this... but it was inevitable.

All contracts must be FULLY FUNDED NOW instead of later.
2014-01-06 11:08:09 AM
1 votes:

Pocket Ninja: Yes, they should of.


Principle caught
2014-01-06 11:07:05 AM
1 votes:
I never thought I could say I lived in the more sane Carolina.

/marginally more
2014-01-06 10:51:28 AM
1 votes:
They have teachers?
 
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