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(Slate)   A mere 150 years after getting its ass handed to it by the Union, North Carolina is finally winning a civil war--against its own teachers   (slate.com) divider line 301
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2014-01-06 11:58:21 AM

sigdiamond2000: After adjusting for inflation, North Carolina lowered teacher salaries nearly 16 percent from 2002 to 2012, while other states had a median decline of 1 percent. A first-year teacher in North Carolina makes $30,800.

They should of studied something better in college then teaching and maybe they wouldn't be in this situation. As a small business owner, if I see an outfit that is lowering profit for 10 years, I don't invest in that operation. These people need to read an economics book.


"Should of"???  Did you blow off school yourself?
 
2014-01-06 11:58:48 AM

Pontious Pilates: FlashHarry: what's up with NC lately? after going blue for obama in '08, it now seems to be on track to become a new brownbackian kansas

There was a huuuuuge backlash against that trend by the cranky, flat-earth types after 2008. They woke up, loaded the legislature and turned the state backwards in many ways, it's sad. We got the fark out and moved back to NY. Maybe the taxes are higher, but you get what you pay for in many ways. Better schools, services, roads, police presence, etc, etc.


Yup, also Pat McCrory, who had been a pretty moderate Republican as mayor of Charlotte, got elected Governor and became a balls-to-the-wall Teatard.
 
2014-01-06 12:00:06 PM

sigdiamond2000: After adjusting for inflation, North Carolina lowered teacher salaries nearly 16 percent from 2002 to 2012, while other states had a median decline of 1 percent. A first-year teacher in North Carolina makes $30,800.

They should of studied something better in college then teaching and maybe they wouldn't be in this situation. As a small business owner, if I see an outfit that is lowering profit for 10 years, I don't invest in that operation. These people need to read an economics book.


So tell me, when all of the people who decide they don't want to go into teaching and lets say go into programming, what happens in 20 years when all the existing teacher quit or retire and there are no other teachers to take there place? Right you're left with either private school or home schooling. Are either ones options for your kids? Or your wallet?
 
2014-01-06 12:00:06 PM

HindiDiscoMonster: sigdiamond2000: After adjusting for inflation, North Carolina lowered teacher salaries nearly 16 percent from 2002 to 2012, while other states had a median decline of 1 percent. A first-year teacher in North Carolina makes $30,800.

They should of studied something better in college then teaching and maybe they wouldn't be in this situation. As a small business owner, if I see an outfit that is lowering profit for 10 years, I don't invest in that operation. These people need to read an economics book.

yeah, seriously... it's not like we need teachers or anything.


Everyone can remember the name of their kindergarten or first grade teacher, and probably most of their other teachers as well.  Nobody remembers the name of the "small business owner" douchbag who owned the local Subway franchise or whatever.  There's probably a good reason for that.  Maybe because the teachers taught them how to read, write, do math, and opened the world for them, generally, while the patriotic job creator laid off mom or dad (or both)?
 
2014-01-06 12:00:56 PM

MyRandomName: Anayalator: 1) That is half the reason I left NC for CA
2) I don't do it for the money, but why are we teachers making less than ten years ago?

Because they were making too much 10 years ago. Noe adjust these numbers by including benefits. Pay goes down, healthcare benefit costs go up. Actual compensation for teachers stays the same.

Teachers, when you include all comoensation and adjust for hours worked (refer to bls.gov, teachers self report fewer yearly hours worked than most industries), teachers do pretty well.

Add that to the fact that teaching isn't exactlt a difficult major in college (below average entrance exams) and teachers are doing really well compared to their peers.


Let me grade this for you:

Teaching is not a major in most states. Who exactly are you claiming are the  peers of teachers? I, for example, scored a 35 on the ACT, and a 42 on the Wonderlic test. Too many spelling and grammatical errors. Your trolling is far too forced and obvious.

71% C-
 
2014-01-06 12:01:01 PM

ds615: sigdiamond2000: They should of studied something better in college then teaching and maybe they wouldn't be in this situation.

Studied it from whom?
Idiot.


I know that was a troll, but that response was freaking perfect.

Pontious Pilates: FlashHarry: what's up with NC lately? after going blue for obama in '08, it now seems to be on track to become a new brownbackian kansas

There was a huuuuuge backlash against that trend by the cranky, flat-earth types after 2008. They woke up, loaded the legislature and turned the state backwards in many ways, it's sad. We got the fark out and moved back to NY. Maybe the taxes are higher, but you get what you pay for in many ways. Better schools, services, roads, police presence, etc, etc.


You know, it's really f--king frustrating in Michigan right now (no sh-t, right).  But even when they're forbidding insurance companies for covering an abortion for me in case I get raped with my general insurance, at least I can still buy Additional Rape Coverage separately.  And even though it's gerrymandered to f--k and back and even if a majority of people vote for Dems it's not like our capital is going blue *any* time soon... at least it's not so horrible I need to flee.

/knock on wood
 
2014-01-06 12:01:02 PM

Fireproof: Yup, also Pat McCrory, who had been a pretty moderate Republican as mayor of Charlotte, got elected Governor and became a balls-to-the-wall Teatard.


He wasn't really "moderate" here, and he isn't really teatardlike in Raleigh.  He's an idiot rubber stamper who never did anything of note himself(other than have a gigantic ego).
 
2014-01-06 12:01:49 PM

Kyro: dwrash: They should blame the teachers unions, school boards and other politicians that for decades agreed to contracts with unfunded liabilities.

Talk radio is getting really good at producing passionate vague statements that don't actually say anything.


So is Fark
 
2014-01-06 12:01:50 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: In 20 years, neighboring states will know that they are only wasting their time hiring people who did their schooling in North Carolina. I can't wait to see what their hissy fit will look like when they realize they've made

crapped their own bed.and the people not changing their diapers are their own creation.

/Much better.
 
2014-01-06 12:02:18 PM

sigdiamond2000: After adjusting for inflation, North Carolina lowered teacher salaries nearly 16 percent from 2002 to 2012, while other states had a median decline of 1 percent. A first-year teacher in North Carolina makes $30,800.

They should of studied something better in college then teaching and maybe they wouldn't be in this situation. As a small business owner, if I see an outfit that is lowering profit for 10 years, I don't invest in that operation. These people need to read an economics book.


Well, your teachers certainly didn't deserve to get paid.

Although, you can't fix stupid, no matter how good a teacher you are, so nevermind.
 
2014-01-06 12:02:22 PM
The good news is that NC residents are PISSED about this, so we may see an overhaul next election. The bad news is that somehow, McCrory's approval ratings have somehow ticked up to 42%

Yes, up. He was at 35% at one point and running ads with no election in sight.
 
2014-01-06 12:02:44 PM

give me doughnuts: Ring of Fire: TheSwissNavy: farkbot42: Anayalator: 1) That is half the reason I left NC for CA
2) I don't do it for the money, but why are we teachers making less than ten years ago?

Because Fark you, that's why - NC GOP

Unlike the Dems, the GOP doesnt take bribes from government unions. How much should someone with a pud BA degree get for working 9 months a year? $30,000 to start, job security for life, Cadillac benefits, retire after 30 years at half pay, wtf???

There is no teachers union in NC so that has nothing to do with it.  Mrs. Fire has two bachelor's degrees and one masters.  She is currently in her first (and possibly last) year of teaching in the NC public school system.  She teaches classes that if a student stays in the program the full four years they will be able to become a CNA straight out of high school.  This program can give students a career with out the heavy debt of going to college.  Just a glorified over paid babysitter making 30,000 a year.  Asshole.

Teachers would love to get paid like babysitters. The going rate for a sitter around here is between $8 and $10 per hour for an evening sitter, and $25 a day for daily care.

25 kids a day, five days a week, for 36 weeks adds up to well over $100,000 even for the cheaper day-time rates. So not only are you getting your kids looked after for a bargain price, the kids are getting taught math, history, science, and a lot of other good stuff.


s2.quickmeme.com
 
2014-01-06 12:03:52 PM
I live in NC and the wife teaches 3rd grade.  With 2 masters degrees and 10 years of experience, its still almost not worth the cost of having her work at all once you factor in what we spend per year buying her classes' textbooks out of pocket, etc.  Hell, her salary barely pays for the gas to get back and forth. With the Common Core crap that's happened this year, she's just about had enough, almost with pretty much every other NC elementary teacher out there.  A LOT of them are going to walk after this year, and it will be interesting to see what McCrory plans to do to fill those holes.

I grew up in Memphis during the volatile 70s-80s, and I remember the teacher strikes.  Believe me when I tell you, you WANT these kids to have somewhere to go all day (that isn't burning down your house).  Oh, and contrary to the bs the GOP keeps repeating to the faithful, poor is not always dumb.  Rest assured that people from the inner cities know EXACTLY where to start looting when/if they have nothing else to do...
 
2014-01-06 12:04:40 PM

Fireproof: The good news is that NC residents are PISSED about this, so we may see an overhaul next election. The bad news is that somehow, McCrory's approval ratings have somehow ticked up to 42%

Yes, up. He was at 35% at one point and running ads with no election in sight.


I'm sorry, but they made sure that the 2/3rds who would be were nicely crammed into less than half the districts for state house.  The governor might get kicked out, and so might a lot of senators, but terrible shiatheels will continue to run our state for a while.
 
2014-01-06 12:04:44 PM

Fireproof: The good news is that NC residents are PISSED about this, so we may see an overhaul next election.



Since this is NC, you are using a synonym for "inebriated," right?
 
2014-01-06 12:05:17 PM

Anayalator: 2) I don't do it for the money, but why are we teachers making less than ten years ago?


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2014-01-06 12:07:57 PM

Kyro: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 800x600]


Wyoming, Nevada, hell even New Hampshire pays teachers better than my state.  I am ashamed.
 
2014-01-06 12:08:51 PM

flondrix: Kyro: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 800x600]

Wyoming, Nevada, hell even New Hampshire pays teachers better than my state.  I am ashamed.


It's a problem that we are even ranking states.
 
2014-01-06 12:10:07 PM

TomD9938: Lord_Baull: TomD9938: Lord_Baull: despite being paid less than a stripper.


Not many people can (or should) be strippers.


Sounds like you're saying anyone can be a teacher.


Certainly not.  One pool's just deeper than the other.

Not many people can (or should) be brain surgeons either.

If you look at Kyros map above, Im in one the dark blue states (Minnesota).  So here, teaching's a pretty nice gig.

They still complain though.

/ not a hater
// things are tough all over


If teachers were paid more when you were in school perhaps you would understand comma and apostrophe use.
 
2014-01-06 12:10:32 PM

TheOtherMisterP: "A first-year teacher in North Carolina makes $30,800...It takes North Carolina teachers more than 15 years to earn $40,000".

Clearly the author grew up in North Carolina. Perhaps she meant to say "15 years to SAVE $40,000".


No, the point was that a teacher in NC has to be in the system for 15 years before their pay hits tne 40k mark.


Honestly, there is a lot to be said for the Swedish system of teaching.  I'd love to implement a pilot program of it out here, but I'd need to win a massive lottery to fund it (cause the government certainly won't).
 
2014-01-06 12:11:02 PM

TheSwissNavy: Unlike the Dems, the GOP doesnt take bribes from government unions. How much should someone with a pud BA degree get for working 9 months a year? $30,000 to start, job security for life, Cadillac benefits, retire after 30 years at half pay, wtf???

 
Teaching with only a BA?  How many states allow that?
 
2014-01-06 12:11:51 PM

ikanreed: Fireproof: The good news is that NC residents are PISSED about this, so we may see an overhaul next election. The bad news is that somehow, McCrory's approval ratings have somehow ticked up to 42%

Yes, up. He was at 35% at one point and running ads with no election in sight.

I'm sorry, but they made sure that the 2/3rds who would be were nicely crammed into less than half the districts for state house.  The governor might get kicked out, and so might a lot of senators, but terrible shiatheels will continue to run our state for a while.


God I hope you are wrong.  Did you catch that 60+ of those assholes got caught over Xmas takes kickbacks from the 'Sweepstakes' gambling places, with McCrory at the top of the list?   I had been wondering how something that EVERYONE knows is illegal gambling has been allowed to continue on unchecked, and now we know...

http://www.wral.com/accused-sweepstakes-exec-more-closely-tied-to-mc cr ory-s-old-firm/12238139/

Yeah, he's a dick.
 
2014-01-06 12:13:27 PM

Bendal: Teachers have been especially targeted by the legislature; tenure has been removed, forcing every teacher into a 1, 2 or 3 year contract that is evaluated on how well they and their school do performance wise.


Good idea. If you're a good teacher, and hold standards, you'd not worry on being fired for performance. Tenure only encourages mediocrity and bad teaching. I will say, they do need a pay raise.
 
2014-01-06 12:14:12 PM

flondrix: TheSwissNavy: Unlike the Dems, the GOP doesnt take bribes from government unions. How much should someone with a pud BA degree get for working 9 months a year? $30,000 to start, job security for life, Cadillac benefits, retire after 30 years at half pay, wtf???
 
Teaching with only a BA?  How many states allow that?


Um, most of them?
 
2014-01-06 12:15:57 PM

capn' fun: Everyone can remember the name of their kindergarten or first grade teacher, and probably most of their other teachers as well. Nobody remembers the name of the "small business owner" douchbag who owned the local Subway franchise or whatever. There's probably a good reason for that. Maybe because the teachers taught them how to read, write, do math, and opened the world for them, generally, while the patriotic job creator laid off mom or dad (or both)?


It would have nothing to do with the fact that all the kids had to use the teachers name every time they addressed him/her every day.  Those formalities don't exist in the local Subway shop.  I'll have a 6" turkey and swiss on a plain roll with lettuce, tomato and mayo is all you need to utter to get through the line and move on with your life.
 
2014-01-06 12:16:19 PM
If this was Georgia I think I know what Fark's reaction would be
 
2014-01-06 12:16:37 PM

catsfish: Pocket Ninja: Yes, they should of.


Surgical snark, hung with their own rope. I like.


hanged  ;)
 
2014-01-06 12:16:42 PM

flondrix: TheSwissNavy: Unlike the Dems, the GOP doesnt take bribes from government unions. How much should someone with a pud BA degree get for working 9 months a year? $30,000 to start, job security for life, Cadillac benefits, retire after 30 years at half pay, wtf???
 
Teaching with only a BA?  How many states allow that?


You can teach grade school with a BA in Education and the certifications in NC. But considering the Teahadists running the General Assembly and Art Pope's money ensuring they'll be hard to dislodge, why would anyone with qualifications want to teach in this state without a well-developed sense of masochism?

The Republican legislators would also love to throw the door open to vouchers for dubious religious private schools and home schooling.
 
2014-01-06 12:16:44 PM

People_are_Idiots: Bendal: Teachers have been especially targeted by the legislature; tenure has been removed, forcing every teacher into a 1, 2 or 3 year contract that is evaluated on how well they and their school do performance wise.

Good idea. If you're a good teacher, and hold standards, you'd not worry on being fired for performance. Tenure only encourages mediocrity and bad teaching. I will say, they do need a pay raise.


Define "performance."  Define "good."  Define "standards."
 
2014-01-06 12:17:16 PM

Smackledorfer: TomD9938: Lord_Baull: TomD9938: Lord_Baull: despite being paid less than a stripper.


Not many people can (or should) be strippers.


Sounds like you're saying anyone can be a teacher.


Certainly not.  One pool's just deeper than the other.

Not many people can (or should) be brain surgeons either.

If you look at Kyros map above, Im in one the dark blue states (Minnesota).  So here, teaching's a pretty nice gig.

They still complain though.

/ not a hater
// things are tough all over


If teachers were paid more when you were in school perhaps you would understand comma and apostrophe use.


It's amazing that I could hit a nerve with such a vanilla post.
 
2014-01-06 12:17:21 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: The My Little Pony Killer: In 20 years, neighboring states will know that they are only wasting their time hiring people who did their schooling in North Carolina. I can't wait to see what their hissy fit will look like when they realize they've madecrapped their own bed.and the people not changing their diapers are their own creation.

/Much better.


Thank you, I felt the ending of that sentence was weak when I posted it but wasn't sure what else to go with.
 
2014-01-06 12:17:30 PM

Oldiron_79: If this was Georgia I think I know what Fark's reaction would be



You are thinking of Florida. Please stop that.
 
2014-01-06 12:17:43 PM

UNC_Samurai: You can teach grade school with a BA in Education and the certifications in NC. But considering the Teahadists running the General Assembly and Art Pope's money ensuring they'll be hard to dislodge, why would anyone with qualifications want to teach in this state without a well-developed sense of masochism?


Inappropriately placed sense of pride in a once great state?
 
2014-01-06 12:18:03 PM

People_are_Idiots: Tenure only encourages mediocrity and bad teaching.


Some of the best, most creative teachers I've ever had have been the tenured ones. Try again.
 
2014-01-06 12:18:13 PM

farm machine: capn' fun: Everyone can remember the name of their kindergarten or first grade teacher, and probably most of their other teachers as well. Nobody remembers the name of the "small business owner" douchbag who owned the local Subway franchise or whatever. There's probably a good reason for that. Maybe because the teachers taught them how to read, write, do math, and opened the world for them, generally, while the patriotic job creator laid off mom or dad (or both)?

It would have nothing to do with the fact that all the kids had to use the teachers name every time they addressed him/her every day.  Those formalities don't exist in the local Subway shop.  I'll have a 6" turkey and swiss on a plain roll with lettuce, tomato and mayo is all you need to utter to get through the line and move on with your life.


Learning to read and think and the basic skills to get through life and succeed are a LIIIIIIITLE bit different from getting a turkey and swiss sub.
 
2014-01-06 12:18:40 PM

People_are_Idiots: Bendal: Teachers have been especially targeted by the legislature; tenure has been removed, forcing every teacher into a 1, 2 or 3 year contract that is evaluated on how well they and their school do performance wise.

Good idea. If you're a good teacher, and hold standards, you'd not worry on being fired for performance. Tenure only encourages mediocrity and bad teaching. I will say, they do need a pay raise.


Do you know what "tenure" meant in North Carolina public school education? It meant you were guaranteed a hearing on why the district was firing you. It's not the university-style tenure you're thinking of. This does nothing but make teachers more fearful for their jobs (and make it easier to get rid of older teachers).
 
2014-01-06 12:19:19 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: People_are_Idiots: Tenure only encourages mediocrity and bad teaching.

Some of the best, most creative teachers I've ever had have been the tenured ones. Try again.


No, see, now you're disagreeing with something that he's been told to believe.  He won't "try again", he'll scream about how you're wrong, because 'incentives'.
 
2014-01-06 12:19:40 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: People_are_Idiots: Tenure only encourages mediocrity and bad teaching.

Some of the best, most creative teachers I've ever had have been the tenured ones. Try again.



It's really hard to encourage some people.
 
2014-01-06 12:19:43 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: People_are_Idiots: Tenure only encourages mediocrity and bad teaching.

Some of the best, most creative teachers I've ever had have been the tenured ones. Try again.


That's true.  It's hard to do good work in any field if you're perpetually terrified of being fired for one remark someone doesn't like, one failed project, one accusation that you stole someone's lunch from the fridge...
 
2014-01-06 12:21:29 PM
UNC_Samurai:

The Republican legislators would also love to throw the door open to vouchers for dubious religious private schools and home schooling.

I heard about this, supposedly they have been redirecting the NC lottery funds into these endeavors, which is what has been causing a lot of the funding shortages in schools statewide.  Last year, schools budgeted with so-called "lottery money" in mind that wound up going down a black hole to the charter school system.  Yet another reason to dislike McCrory.
 
2014-01-06 12:22:05 PM
Sure, it's not right. But the real problem is what we pay those fast food workers. Someone should do something
 
2014-01-06 12:22:38 PM
Job security in the form of tenure was abolished. Extra pay for graduate degrees was eliminated. Extra pay for graduate degrees was eliminated.

As a teacher, I don't have a problem with this. These things are routinely abused and studies have not found a link between them and children receiving a better education because of them.
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2014-01-06 12:25:08 PM

wambu: Job security in the form of tenure was abolished. Extra pay for graduate degrees was eliminated. Extra pay for graduate degrees was eliminated.

As a teacher, I don't have a problem with this. These things are routinely abused and studies have not found a link between them and children receiving a better education because of them.
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I was with you until  { clearInterval(timer); but I find that argument rather weak.
 
2014-01-06 12:25:39 PM

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Or... you could just add an adblock rule ###abPleaBar.
 
2014-01-06 12:25:45 PM

farm machine: capn' fun: Everyone can remember the name of their kindergarten or first grade teacher, and probably most of their other teachers as well. Nobody remembers the name of the "small business owner" douchbag who owned the local Subway franchise or whatever. There's probably a good reason for that. Maybe because the teachers taught them how to read, write, do math, and opened the world for them, generally, while the patriotic job creator laid off mom or dad (or both)?

It would have nothing to do with the fact that all the kids had to use the teachers name every time they addressed him/her every day.  Those formalities don't exist in the local Subway shop.  I'll have a 6" turkey and swiss on a plain roll with lettuce, tomato and mayo is all you need to utter to get through the line and move on with your life.


My point being that small businesses come and go, as do their owners, but teachers tend to work for a lifetime, often in the same school or district, nurturing the minds of generation after generation of children.  I have many friends now who have children sitting in the same homerooms in the same high school, with the same teachers, and they're very happy to have that privilege for their children.  The market has its place, but some things in life don't work best according to economic models-they cost what they cost.  Eyeglasses, comfortable toilet paper, quality teachers for our children...
 
2014-01-06 12:27:17 PM
You know what states have the worst education results? The ones where public school teachers DON'T have unions, like North Carolina. None of the Southeastern states allow teachers to join an actual union that does collective bargaining. They have "professional associations" that lobby a little, but that's it.

Also, TFA's author has a bit of a "both sides are bad" problem.

How did this happen? Both political parties share responsibility. When the recession began, the Democrats in power froze teacher pay. After years of salary stagnation, in 2013, Republicans made the following changes: Job security in the form of tenure was abolished. Extra pay for graduate degrees was eliminated. A new law created vouchers so that private academies could dip into the shrinking pool of money that the public schools have left. While requiring schools to adopt the Common Core standards, the legislature slashed materials budgets. According to the National Education Association, we fell to 48th in per-pupil expenditures. State funds for books were cut by about 80 percent, to allocate only $14.26 a year per student. Because you can't buy even one textbook on that budget, teachers are creating their own materials at night after a long day of work.

So, Democrats responded to a collapse in state revenue by freezing salaries (not just teachers, all state employees), which happened to public employees across the country. Republicans eliminated tenure, slashed merit pay, created a voucher program that allows bible academies and home schoolers to drain off education funding, virtually eliminated spending on books and materials, and in the process drove a lot of good teachers out of state. So both sides did it, mmhmm, I see.
 
2014-01-06 12:28:21 PM
This is the secular evil that results when the Republican Party rationalizes its decisions based on an "infallible" religious doctrine that few of its adherents fully understand in the first place.

"We're good Kreeschens, so whatever decision we approve by majority vote must be the right one!"

Bastards.
 
2014-01-06 12:28:32 PM

TomD9938: Smackledorfer: TomD9938: Lord_Baull: TomD9938: Lord_Baull: despite being paid less than a stripper.


Not many people can (or should) be strippers.


Sounds like you're saying anyone can be a teacher.


Certainly not.  One pool's just deeper than the other.

Not many people can (or should) be brain surgeons either.

If you look at Kyros map above, Im in one the dark blue states (Minnesota).  So here, teaching's a pretty nice gig.

They still complain though.

/ not a hater
// things are tough all over

If teachers were paid more when you were in school perhaps you would understand comma and apostrophe use.


It's amazing that I could hit a nerve with such a vanilla post.


Do you think every fark post mocking bad writing skills is the result of an agonizing nerve strike, or just this one?
 
2014-01-06 12:30:01 PM

Smackledorfer: TomD9938: It's amazing that I could hit a nerve with such a vanilla post.

Do you think every fark post mocking bad writing skills is the result of an agonizing nerve strike, or just this one?



ARRGH! Vulcan nerve pinch of logic!
 
2014-01-06 12:30:10 PM

mbillips: You know what states have the worst education results? The ones where public school teachers DON'T have unions, like North Carolina. None of the Southeastern states allow teachers to join an actual union that does collective bargaining. They have "professional associations" that lobby a little, but that's it.

Also, TFA's author has a bit of a "both sides are bad" problem.

How did this happen? Both political parties share responsibility. When the recession began, the Democrats in power froze teacher pay. After years of salary stagnation, in 2013, Republicans made the following changes: Job security in the form of tenure was abolished. Extra pay for graduate degrees was eliminated. A new law created vouchers so that private academies could dip into the shrinking pool of money that the public schools have left. While requiring schools to adopt the Common Core standards, the legislature slashed materials budgets. According to the National Education Association, we fell to 48th in per-pupil expenditures. State funds for books were cut by about 80 percent, to allocate only $14.26 a year per student. Because you can't buy even one textbook on that budget, teachers are creating their own materials at night after a long day of work.

So, Democrats responded to a collapse in state revenue by freezing salaries (not just teachers, all state employees), which happened to public employees across the country. Republicans eliminated tenure, slashed merit pay, created a voucher program that allows bible academies and home schoolers to drain off education funding, virtually eliminated spending on books and materials, and in the process drove a lot of good teachers out of state. So both sides did it, mmhmm, I see.


I hate to say it, but "both sides are bad" sadly holds true in North Carolina. Part of the reason we're being held hostage by the Teahadists is decades of Democratic corruption. Mike Easley and Meg Scott Phipps did this state no favors.

Although to be fair, it's more like one side is bad, and the other is outright hazardous to your health.
 
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