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2014-01-06 12:19:23 PM
Oh Washington Post how we have the admiration of the bravery of you to do yet the further attacking on the Brothers Koch. Listen these are the individuals who put the money of they where the mouth of they has the presence and they are doing this because there is the law written which makes the attempt to do the shaming of the donors. The corporation is the person. This has the establishment. If I am the person and wish for making donations I should not have to provide the statement of this to others. Listen this is the right of me. If I wish for donating I should not have to go through the webbing which is the goal of the base of the democratic party of the United States of the America. Do not do the shaming of me if you do not have appreciation of the political feelings. Why not instead have the party of you do the donation? Oh wait I know why you do not do this and that is because you do not have the rich donors. LAUGHTER OL how is this the fault of me. It is not.

/LAUGHTER OL I did the jokings on all of you. this was the satire.
 
2014-01-06 12:41:45 PM
My headache came back, thanks to meow said the dog.
 
2014-01-06 12:43:15 PM
We need daylight legislation to expose those Kochroaches.
 
2014-01-06 12:44:29 PM
Isn't there a good Koch brother, are they all scum?.
 
2014-01-06 12:44:56 PM

neversubmit: My headache came back, thanks to meow said the dog.


If I was ever trapped in an elevator with Meow Said the Dog, Adolf Hitler, a couple of Al Qaeda terrorists, a man who was planning to rape me, Justin Timberlake, a hunger tiger, an angry bear, and Justin Bieber with only a revolver with one round in it, I would never stop kicking Meow Said the Dog in the Crotch.
 
2014-01-06 12:45:59 PM
Kock Brothers.   gotta' love 'em.  they've been pile driving Uncle Sam's asshole for many years.
 
2014-01-06 12:47:06 PM

CygnusDarius: Isn't there a good Koch brother, are they all scum?.



the second one.
 
2014-01-06 12:47:28 PM
Fifty Shades of Koch.
 
2014-01-06 12:47:41 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: We need daylight legislation to expose those Kochroaches.


good one.   Medal for you.  (:
 
2014-01-06 12:48:57 PM
Here is an easy shorthand: Anytime you see or hear if a right wing group, just assume its backed by Koch money.
 
2014-01-06 12:54:50 PM
If only there was some way to change laws so that stuff like this couldn't happen and the people who could change them had the intestinal fortitude to do so!
 
2014-01-06 12:57:24 PM
Key players in the Koch-backed network have already begun engaging in the 2014 midterm elections, hiring new staff members to expand operations and strafing House and Senate Democrats with hard-hitting ads over their support for the Affordable Care Act.

So they're wasting all of the money.
 
2014-01-06 12:58:03 PM

vernonFL: Here is an easy shorthand: Anytime you see or hear if a right wing group, just assume its backed by Koch money.


But don't say that out loud! Otherwise the Kochs will whine and censure you, insisting you retract the statement that they're allegedly funding a right wing group that they're provably funding.
 
2014-01-06 12:58:33 PM
It staggering knowing the enormous amount of money they spend on politics is worth every penny.
 
2014-01-06 12:58:52 PM

cabbyman: If only there was some way to change laws so that stuff like this couldn't happen and the people who could change them had the intestinal fortitude to do so!


No special interests should be able to do this. You know, except unions.

The real travesty here is that people have limits on how much they can spend on politics but these groups left and right don't.
 
2014-01-06 01:05:03 PM

LarryDan43: It staggering knowing the enormous amount of money they spend on politics is worth every penny.


The US has the finest government money can buy. The annual spending hovers around a trillion dollars and the people who dole that cash out have a set of rules where you have to pay to play.
 
2014-01-06 01:06:04 PM
How are you guys any different than Glenn Beck and his web of Soros entities?
 
2014-01-06 01:09:05 PM

CygnusDarius: Isn't there a good Koch brother, are they all scum?.


You're thinking of Marilyn Munster.
 
2014-01-06 01:12:46 PM
They want a secret Plutocracy ?
 
2014-01-06 01:13:03 PM

Nemo's Brother: How are you guys any different than Glenn Beck and his web of Soros entities?


Because we live in reality, you ignorant cockbite?
 
2014-01-06 01:15:20 PM

monoski: The annual spending hovers around a trillion dollars and the people who dole that cash out have a set of rules where you have to pay to play.


Shouldn't that be "quadrennial"? And even if not, shouldn't it be "biennial"?

// there are some races - goobernatorial, mostly - that happen in off-years, but for the most part, isn't it limited to the even years?
 
2014-01-06 01:15:44 PM

Nemo's Brother: How are you guys any different than Glenn Beck and his web of Soros entities?


It's not in our heads.
 
2014-01-06 01:28:04 PM

Solutare: Nemo's Brother: How are you guys any different than Glenn Beck and his web of Soros entities?

Because we live in reality, you ignorant cockbite?


CygnusDarius: Nemo's Brother: How are you guys any different than Glenn Beck and his web of Soros entities?

It's not in our heads.


Bwahahahahaha

OK, so both sides are bad so vote democrat.  I hear you loud and clear.
 
2014-01-06 01:35:20 PM
Money is Speech
Corporations are People
War is Peace
Ignorance is Strength
 
2014-01-06 01:36:04 PM

Tricky Chicken: Solutare: Nemo's Brother: How are you guys any different than Glenn Beck and his web of Soros entities?

Because we live in reality, you ignorant cockbite?

CygnusDarius: Nemo's Brother: How are you guys any different than Glenn Beck and his web of Soros entities?

It's not in our heads.

Bwahahahahaha

OK, so both sides are bad so vote democrat.  I hear you loud and clear.


Why not Green Party instead? They've been rather quiet (aka not crazy).
 
2014-01-06 01:38:44 PM

CygnusDarius: Isn't there a good Koch brother, are they all scum?.


The only good Koch is a stiff Koch.
 
2014-01-06 01:48:17 PM

CygnusDarius: Tricky Chicken: Solutare: Nemo's Brother: How are you guys any different than Glenn Beck and his web of Soros entities?

Because we live in reality, you ignorant cockbite?

CygnusDarius: Nemo's Brother: How are you guys any different than Glenn Beck and his web of Soros entities?

It's not in our heads.

Bwahahahahaha

OK, so both sides are bad so vote democrat.  I hear you loud and clear.

Why not Green Party instead? They've been rather quiet (aka not crazy).


Cynthia McKinney for president?
Rosanne Barr for president?

You have quite the low Barr for 'not crazy'.
 
2014-01-06 01:53:52 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: We need daylight legislation to expose those Kochroaches.


Maddow is trying. Great segment the other day. Koch's turned their lawyers on her and she reported THAT!
 
2014-01-06 01:53:56 PM

Tricky Chicken: CygnusDarius: Tricky Chicken: Solutare: Nemo's Brother: How are you guys any different than Glenn Beck and his web of Soros entities?

Because we live in reality, you ignorant cockbite?

CygnusDarius: Nemo's Brother: How are you guys any different than Glenn Beck and his web of Soros entities?

It's not in our heads.

Bwahahahahaha

OK, so both sides are bad so vote democrat.  I hear you loud and clear.

Why not Green Party instead? They've been rather quiet (aka not crazy).

Cynthia McKinney for president?
Rosanne Barr for president?

You have quite the low Barr for 'not crazy'.


My bar is more like a bump on the floor, really.
 
2014-01-06 01:54:09 PM

Tricky Chicken: Solutare: Nemo's Brother: How are you guys any different than Glenn Beck and his web of Soros entities?

Because we live in reality, you ignorant cockbite?

CygnusDarius: Nemo's Brother: How are you guys any different than Glenn Beck and his web of Soros entities?

It's not in our heads.

Bwahahahahaha

OK, so both sides are bad so vote democrat.  I hear you loud and clear.


For one, Labor Unions are required by law to disclose political spending. This is why what unions spend is a known number while what this network spends is only an estimate that is drawn up from perusing tax returns from the previous year.
 
2014-01-06 02:00:30 PM

X-boxershorts: Tricky Chicken: Solutare: Nemo's Brother: How are you guys any different than Glenn Beck and his web of Soros entities?

Because we live in reality, you ignorant cockbite?

CygnusDarius: Nemo's Brother: How are you guys any different than Glenn Beck and his web of Soros entities?

It's not in our heads.

Bwahahahahaha

OK, so both sides are bad so vote democrat.  I hear you loud and clear.

For one, Labor Unions are required by law to disclose political spending. This is why what unions spend is a known number while what this network spends is only an estimate that is drawn up from perusing tax returns from the previous year.


I thought Soros was a rich guy not a union. I never really cared about the Soros/Koch money complaints enough to really look into it though.
 
2014-01-06 02:08:23 PM

cabbyman: If only there was some way to change laws so that stuff like this couldn't happen and the people who could change them had the intestinal fortitude to do so!


First off, you need to weed the SCOTUS oligarchs off of sucking corporate dick and sit them down for a class of "this is speech, this is money; do you see the Goddamned difference?"
 
2014-01-06 02:08:54 PM

Tricky Chicken: X-boxershorts: Tricky Chicken: Solutare: Nemo's Brother: How are you guys any different than Glenn Beck and his web of Soros entities?

Because we live in reality, you ignorant cockbite?

CygnusDarius: Nemo's Brother: How are you guys any different than Glenn Beck and his web of Soros entities?

It's not in our heads.

Bwahahahahaha

OK, so both sides are bad so vote democrat.  I hear you loud and clear.

For one, Labor Unions are required by law to disclose political spending. This is why what unions spend is a known number while what this network spends is only an estimate that is drawn up from perusing tax returns from the previous year.

I thought Soros was a rich guy not a union. I never really cared about the Soros/Koch money complaints enough to really look into it though.


I don't know of any Soros entity that remotely comes close to resembling what the Koch brothers have assembled here.

The story did talk about the political clout of Unions, which, while quite a bit less than what it was in the 70's is now merely a fraction of what this Koch brother's network has put together.

And....

Union's don't get the added benefit of anonymity and tax exemption.
 
2014-01-06 02:13:54 PM

CygnusDarius: Isn't there a good Koch brother, are they all scum?.


"When it's not fighting, this clan has spent its wealth on colorful private agendas. Old Fred Koch (sounds like coke) was an early supporter of the John Birch Society. David, 56, one of Fred's four sons, was the Libertarian candidate for vice president in 1980; two years ago he bought Jackie O's New York City apartment. David's twin, Bill, won the America's Cup sailing race in 1992. Charles, 61, founded the Cato Institute, a Libertarian think tank, and seriously considered buying Time or Newsweek to proselytize for a political revolution in the U.S. Eldest son Freddie, 63, has bought castles, villas, and estates in Europe.

"There has been so much scheming, name-calling, and backstabbing among these guys that J.R. Ewing might feel outdone. Bill tells of a homosexual blackmail attempt by Charles against Freddie to get his stock at a cheap price. (Charles vigorously denies it.) Freddie was partially disinherited by his father in a dispute over a missing $700. And for family harmony, you can't beat Bill's subpoenaing his mother onto the witness stand a few months after she'd had a stroke." - http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/1997/02/17/222 1 88/
 
2014-01-06 03:11:47 PM

Dr Dreidel: monoski: The annual spending hovers around a trillion dollars and the people who dole that cash out have a set of rules where you have to pay to play.

Shouldn't that be "quadrennial"? And even if not, shouldn't it be "biennial"?

// there are some races - goobernatorial, mostly - that happen in off-years, but for the most part, isn't it limited to the even years?


In 2013, federal spending approached $3.5 trillion
 
2014-01-06 03:22:22 PM

monoski: Dr Dreidel: monoski: The annual spending hovers around a trillion dollars and the people who dole that cash out have a set of rules where you have to pay to play.

Shouldn't that be "quadrennial"? And even if not, shouldn't it be "biennial"?

// there are some races - goobernatorial, mostly - that happen in off-years, but for the most part, isn't it limited to the even years?

In 2013, federal spending approached $3.5 trillion


So you're saying we have to fix the revenue side.
Good.
/Although there are some DoD programs we could eliminate.
 
2014-01-06 03:26:43 PM
So can we agree that trickle down economics works in the case of big money people funneling money down to their smaller groups who then spend money on actors and designers for local ads which then spurs spending by other groups to counter the ads which are only put on the air by media groups who have to hire additional people to handle the paperwork and whatnot? Or no?
 
2014-01-06 03:45:47 PM

monoski: LarryDan43: It staggering knowing the enormous amount of money they spend on politics is worth every penny.

The US has the finest government money can buy. The annual spending hovers around a trillion dollars and the people who dole that cash out have a set of rules where you have to pay to play.


$1,000,000,000 dumped back into the economy. Sounds like a good deal!
 
2014-01-06 04:12:50 PM
The news here isn't that it happened, since this crap has been going on for decades and  Citizens United, spookyPACs, and dark money is only its latest iteration; or even that it was this particular network or the actual amount of money involved, since this has been known for over a year; but that campaign finance law is so fundamentally farked it took a year to substantiate.
 
2014-01-06 04:14:38 PM
Because Democrats don't have their own massively wealthy donors & backers.  Right?  LOL
No, they're just the only ones ALLOWED to have those backers & donors.  Because for anyone else to have them, is just unfair.
 
2014-01-06 04:34:03 PM

glassa: Because Democrats don't have their own massively wealthy donors & backers.  Right?  LOL
No, they're just the only ones ALLOWED to have those backers & donors.  Because for anyone else to have them, is just unfair.


I remember Jerry Brown running for president. He wouldn't accept ANY donation over $100, and NO corporate donors. He damned near won that election. And should have.
 
2014-01-06 05:56:01 PM
So, the Borgias now have their hands on the levers of power of the greatest democracy the world has ever known. Enjoy the ride
 
2014-01-06 06:14:40 PM

glassa: Because Democrats don't have their own massively wealthy donors & backers.  Right?  LOL
No, they're just the only ones ALLOWED to have those backers & donors.  Because for anyone else to have them, is just unfair.


Neither party should have 'massively wealthy donors & backers'. There should be STRICT limits on the money a politician can make...read, "They get their salary, and nothing more.".  No deals to land a seat on a board of directors after your term, no bribes "campaign contributions" of any size, nothing. Candidates get a specific, set-in-stone amount of money to campaign with, a salary while on the job, and nothing more.

Maybe then we'll get politicians who actually care about doing their goddamn jobs, rather than stuffing their pockets.
 
2014-01-06 06:29:00 PM

CygnusDarius: Isn't there a good Koch brother, are they all scum?.


There's William, who spends all his time and money suing people over fake rare wines they've sold him.
 
2014-01-06 06:58:13 PM

X-boxershorts: Tricky Chicken: X-boxershorts: Tricky Chicken: Solutare: Nemo's Brother: How are you guys any different than Glenn Beck and his web of Soros entities?

Because we live in reality, you ignorant cockbite?

CygnusDarius: Nemo's Brother: How are you guys any different than Glenn Beck and his web of Soros entities?

It's not in our heads.

Bwahahahahaha

OK, so both sides are bad so vote democrat.  I hear you loud and clear.

For one, Labor Unions are required by law to disclose political spending. This is why what unions spend is a known number while what this network spends is only an estimate that is drawn up from perusing tax returns from the previous year.

I thought Soros was a rich guy not a union. I never really cared about the Soros/Koch money complaints enough to really look into it though.

I don't know of any Soros entity that remotely comes close to resembling what the Koch brothers have assembled here.

The story did talk about the political clout of Unions, which, while quite a bit less than what it was in the 70's is now merely a fraction of what this Koch brother's network has put together.

And....

Union's don't get the added benefit of anonymity and tax exemption.


There's also the small matter that (to steal a metaphor from an awesome Orson Scott Card novel) either one of the Brothers Koch could lose everything that George Soros owns in a single hand of poker, and still like the guy who won it.
 
2014-01-06 08:28:51 PM
So, uh.

... Given that it's so difficult to untangle, what prevents, say, foreign parties from influencing our elections via campaign money?
 
2014-01-06 10:08:00 PM

Felgraf: So, uh.

... Given that it's so difficult to untangle, what prevents, say, foreign parties from influencing our elections via campaign money?


The honor system.
 
m00
2014-01-07 02:20:26 AM

meow said the dog: Oh Washington Post how we have the admiration of the bravery of you to do yet the further attacking on the Brothers Koch.


It's hard to take the WP seriously when they say this:

The donor network organized by the Kochs - along with funding an array of longtime pro-Republican groups such as the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, the National Rifle Association and Americans for Tax Reform - distributed money to a coalition of groups that share the brothers' libertarian, free-market perspective.

Bolded section is a complete lie. Taxing the poor and middle class to payout the 1% in the form of corporate welfare is neither libertarian nor free market.
 
2014-01-07 07:53:09 AM
Auburn still beat the spread.

/hollow victory
 
2014-01-07 07:55:56 AM

relaxitsjustme: Auburn still beat the spread.

/hollow victory


Oops.  What's the o/u on the Koch brother's mid-term candidates?
 
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