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2014-01-06 12:56:13 PM

DubtodaIll: TNel: DubtodaIll: Sure, our entire current Foreign Policy. Red Line.

How vague of you.

Ok, give me an example of Obama shining excellence?


I never said that, he's a fine leader.  He hasn't started any wars, healthcare is finally starting to turn around in this country, and the economy is recovering.  All in all I think we are in a better place than we were at before he came in so he gets a passing grade.  Dubya started multiple wars and tanked the economy so he failed.

The fact that you can't point to one specific thing is enough to show that you have an axe to grind because your team lost an election.  Politics should not be like a sports team; just because you lost doesn't mean you can block legistration until you have another go at trying to win.
 
2014-01-06 12:56:48 PM
Sunny and 78 here in South FL.

Eat it, suckers.
 
2014-01-06 12:57:27 PM

thornhill: Tom_Slick: Rapmaster2000: Tom_Slick: vudukungfu: Those folks are not intelligent enough to survive that type of cold.
there will be deaths.

If that were the case, there would be no one in Atlanta as they would have died up north before they moved here.

I moved to Atlanta from Chicago.

So I'm really getting a kick out of this reply.

I moved here to get away from this crap.  At least the roads didn't freeze last night.  6 degrees tonight should cause a lot of busted pipes around town.  A coworker of mine had one break 3 years ago because it was running through the uninsulated part of his attic.  Another example of the outstanding McMansion construction you can get around here.

There are all ready school closings for Tomorrow because of the cold, I wonder what the list will be like in the morning.

I'm over in Alabama, where schools are also closed today and tomorrow; my understanding is that it was done due to fears about ice because it was supposed to rain throughout the Southeast last night.

I suppose that's a fair reason to close schools, but I don't get why they made that call over the weekend instead of waiting until Monday morning to see if there actually was ice.


Cause it's way easier to say 'my bad' if the ice doesn't happen than it is to close stuff down at the last minute.
 
2014-01-06 12:59:06 PM

bulldg4life: I work from home. Thank Jebus.


I work in the office, where I don't pay the heating bill.
 
2014-01-06 01:00:23 PM

AngryDragon: Damn global warming.


If you picked number 9 in the "How many posts until some troll makes a stupid global warming comment in a weather thread?" pool, step up and claim your free internets.
 
2014-01-06 01:01:20 PM

Zeno-25: We had a snownado in Chicago this morning.

[i.imgur.com image 480x722]

The extremely cold air (-20) and gusty winds are clashing with the warm lake temps, creating waterspouts.



That is actually pretty cool, just as long as they are not causing damages..
 
2014-01-06 01:03:49 PM

thornhill: wxboy: thornhill: moos: thornhill: I suppose that's a fair reason to close schools, but I don't get why they made that call over the weekend instead of waiting until Monday morning to see if there actually was ice.

It gives the parents certainty so they can plan accordingly instead of not knowing until Monday morning and having to react in a more immediate fashion.

Eh, I suppose, but when I lived in the NE schools always waited until about 5 or 6 am on the day of the cancel.

1-2 day forecasting has gotten good enough that schools can have certainty that conditions will warrant a closure a lot earlier than in the past.

Except they completely blew it in this case -- there's no ice anywhere.

I also question what the extra heads up really does for parents. Unless you're really rich, you're not paying for unscheduled childcare. At my office, parents have either: 1) Taken their kids with them to work (stuck them in conference rooms with TVs); 2) Just taken the day off to be home with their kids; or 3) Their parents are watching the kids.

The parents at my office would have preferred that the schools have just waited until the last possible minute to close.


If you have before and after school care they will watch them when school is cancelled and not charge you extra.
 
2014-01-06 01:04:42 PM

macdaddy357: If your daytime high is a positive number, count your blessings.


Or pat yourself on the back for making at least one smart life choice
 
2014-01-06 01:04:55 PM
SewerSquirrels:
Well, that would make me a sucker then (live near the Twin Cities), but I was out walking for a couple hours yesterday under blue skies and sun. When I got home my thermometer read -17F. Exposed skin on my face was nearly lobster red. Probably should have used sunscreen.

Last time I was 'back home' was for my grandfather's funeral.  I flew out with my Uncle who lives not to far from me here in the SF Bay Area.  It was a hair under 55 when we lifted off from SFO.

For some reason after we landed in MSP the jet didn't taxi up to a hub but instead they drove one of the truck/step things to the door and we had to disembark onto the tarmac and walk to the terminal.  It was -14 at the time in Minneapolis.

When they cracked the door open to let us out and that first gust of real winter blew in to the cabin...  My Uncle and I both looked at each other and without a word being said I knew we were both thinking, "fark the funeral... We're staying in our seats till this thing touches back down in California."

/We buried him with a case of PBR,
//So if I ever find myself in Minneapolis again and it's after 2 AM, and I really need a drink...
///...I totally know where to dig.
 
2014-01-06 01:09:20 PM

thornhill: wxboy: thornhill: moos: thornhill: I suppose that's a fair reason to close schools, but I don't get why they made that call over the weekend instead of waiting until Monday morning to see if there actually was ice.

It gives the parents certainty so they can plan accordingly instead of not knowing until Monday morning and having to react in a more immediate fashion.

Eh, I suppose, but when I lived in the NE schools always waited until about 5 or 6 am on the day of the cancel.

1-2 day forecasting has gotten good enough that schools can have certainty that conditions will warrant a closure a lot earlier than in the past.

Except they completely blew it in this case -- there's no ice anywhere.

I also question what the extra heads up really does for parents. Unless you're really rich, you're not paying for unscheduled childcare. At my office, parents have either: 1) Taken their kids with them to work (stuck them in conference rooms with TVs); 2) Just taken the day off to be home with their kids; or 3) Their parents are watching the kids.

The parents at my office would have preferred that the schools have just waited until the last possible minute to close.


I would imagine it's more of a pubblic safety thing, too. The NE is (or upper midwest) is equipped to handle icy roads. The school bus drivers in those areas drive in ice and snow a heck of a lot. The parents who drive their kids are used to the conditions, too. Kids have cold weather gear to handle extreme cold. The city/county/state is ready to take of the roads because they generally do it all winter long. I'm pretty darn sure that salt for the roads is just a normal part of Minneapolis's budget while there aren't very many cities in the south with the same thing.
 
2014-01-06 01:09:39 PM

lifeboat: Ker_Thwap: skeevy420: For example, even though the temp could be 35 F, the wind chill could be 28 F which could cause the humidity to stick and freeze to that metal roof we're trying to install.

Wrong.   If the temp is 30, and it's windy, then thicker ice could form faster.  No amount of wind will make ice form when the temperature is above freezing.

Yup - wind chill has no effect on inanimate objects. It is the equivalent temperature at which your body will lose its heat.


flondrix: Ker_Thwap: skeevy420: For example, even though the temp could be 35 F, the wind chill could be 28 F which could cause the humidity to stick and freeze to that metal roof we're trying to install.

Wrong.   If the temp is 30, and it's windy, then thicker ice could form faster.  No amount of wind will make ice form when the temperature is above freezing.

Specifically, a non-heated object like a roof will cool down (or heat up) to the ambient temperature and no further; wind chill can only speed that process up.    Wind chill numbers are calculated for bodies that are internally heated and attempting to maintain a surface temperature of 98.6 Fahrenheit, and they only tell you an equivalent temperature in terms of rate of heat loss.  If the ambient temperature is 21F with a windchill of -4F, a guy in a T-shirt will shiver, suffer, and shed heat about the same as if the temperature were -4F and the wind were not blowing, until he loses the ability to maintain normal body temperature, and which point his soon-to-be-lifeless body will drop to 21F and no further.


Scientifically correct or not, I've seen it happen first hand.  Whether it was from the below freezing wind chill, the panels still being below freezing from the night before, or the thermometer being inaccurate, I've seen frost and light ice build up on metal in humid, cold winds when the temperature was still slightly above freezing (33-36F).  Whatever the case may be , it's called trying to be safe and you really don't want to be on a roof holding a 16-20ftx4-6ft metal panel when the wind can gust above 15mph, especially if there's a risk that frost or ice could build up.

/Having to redownload BF4
//Accidentally deleted the executable
///Downloading 20+ Gigabytes sucks.
 
2014-01-06 01:10:55 PM
I hope they are prepared for the storm.
All they need is to shelter in place with some Pepsi Soda-Pop.
And huge handles of liquor.
 
2014-01-06 01:11:47 PM
It was around 2 degrees F in central Oklahoma at 7am today.  It's up to a blistering 13 F now, but with a wind chill of 4 F.
 
2014-01-06 01:14:28 PM

TNel: DubtodaIll: TNel: DubtodaIll: Sure, our entire current Foreign Policy. Red Line.

How vague of you.

Ok, give me an example of Obama shining excellence?

I never said that, he's a fine leader.  He hasn't started any wars, healthcare is finally starting to turn around in this country, and the economy is recovering.  All in all I think we are in a better place than we were at before he came in so he gets a passing grade.  Dubya started multiple wars and tanked the economy so he failed.

The fact that you can't point to one specific thing is enough to show that you have an axe to grind because your team lost an election.  Politics should not be like a sports team; just because you lost doesn't mean you can block legistration until you have another go at trying to win.


Ooh, so you're just defending him because he's such a great guy and not because he's on "your team."  If the only way you can defend Obama is by pointing out the bad qualities of the republicans then that's pretty indicative that there's not much good to actually say about him.   And I'm not a dyed in the wool conservative.  I think it's embarrassing how gridlocked our government has been during Obama's administration.  I would lay more blame on Obama for not being able to put a strong enough case forward to get past the republicans derpy derp.  Of course it's not that the GOP isn't without blame, they have plenty of jackasses too.  If he were a stronger leader he would have been able to adapt and overcome the adversity he's faced.  Instead he says what he needs to say in the moment and acts like he never actually said it when it turns south and then pans it off like it's not a big deal that the POTUS would possibly he held accountable for the words that come out of his mouth.   Also if he were competent he would be better at anticipating the resistance to what he wants to accomplish.   The nature of the Presidency should be the individual who can lay out a plan for the nation and be able to motivate Congress to agree to his plan.   It shouldn't be able being only slightly less worse than the other guys, it should be trying to excel beyond expectations and the status quo. Anyway, it sure is cold outside today.
 
2014-01-06 01:16:33 PM

El Dudereno: Captain Pissgums: NWS says we've warmed-up to -15F here (Sioux Falls, SD), on our way to a forecast high of -10.  Couple more days of this, then we're headed into the 30's (above zero) for this weekend.  It's winter and it's the Northern Plains - it happens.

*waves*

Hello, fellow Sioux Fallsian.

*hand freezes solid*



Hello, El Dood. Hot enough for ya?
 
2014-01-06 01:18:46 PM

ladodger34: thornhill: wxboy: thornhill: moos: thornhill: I suppose that's a fair reason to close schools, but I don't get why they made that call over the weekend instead of waiting until Monday morning to see if there actually was ice.

It gives the parents certainty so they can plan accordingly instead of not knowing until Monday morning and having to react in a more immediate fashion.

Eh, I suppose, but when I lived in the NE schools always waited until about 5 or 6 am on the day of the cancel.

1-2 day forecasting has gotten good enough that schools can have certainty that conditions will warrant a closure a lot earlier than in the past.

Except they completely blew it in this case -- there's no ice anywhere.

I also question what the extra heads up really does for parents. Unless you're really rich, you're not paying for unscheduled childcare. At my office, parents have either: 1) Taken their kids with them to work (stuck them in conference rooms with TVs); 2) Just taken the day off to be home with their kids; or 3) Their parents are watching the kids.

The parents at my office would have preferred that the schools have just waited until the last possible minute to close.

I would imagine it's more of a pubblic safety thing, too. The NE is (or upper midwest) is equipped to handle icy roads. The school bus drivers in those areas drive in ice and snow a heck of a lot. The parents who drive their kids are used to the conditions, too. Kids have cold weather gear to handle extreme cold. The city/county/state is ready to take of the roads because they generally do it all winter long. I'm pretty darn sure that salt for the roads is just a normal part of Minneapolis's budget while there aren't very many cities in the south with the same thing.


I don't dispute any of that. My only point is that maybe they should have waited a longer later to see if the ice materialized so they didn't have to close schools for two days. And I question how much of a favor they really did parents by preemptively closing schools. Of the parents I know, what they did with their kids today was no different than what they would have done had they found out at 6AM this morning there would be no school.
 
2014-01-06 01:25:02 PM

DubtodaIll: If he were a stronger leader he would have been able to adapt and overcome the adversity he's faced.


How can you overcome "The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president."?

How can you pass laws when you have people in congress that will not do their job?  How can you blame the President for your failure to even make a budget?  How can you blame the President for you not willing to pay the bills for something was passed in the budget then say you won't pay the bills until you allow something that has no bearing to the bills?
 
2014-01-06 01:28:00 PM

TNel: Ok, give me an example of Obama shining excellence?

I never said that, he's a fine leader. He hasn't started any wars


Libya wasn't a war?
 
2014-01-06 01:30:56 PM

quiotu: Igor Jakovsky: VivianVivisect: 75 degrees here in California. Sunny.

Same where i am in FL. oh noes it may get in the 40s tonight

Despite it being a sign of the next Ice Age, I'd love to see either state go below 0 just once in my life, just to see you lot eating your young in panic and burning your elderly to stay warm.


Half of the floridas population seems to be from new england and canada so they can deal with the cold. This isnt texas where a dusting of snow will bring large cities to a halt.

I grew up in FL but lived in NY for 4 years and didnt mind the cold. Enjoyed snow too.
 
2014-01-06 01:31:46 PM

TNel: DubtodaIll: If he were a stronger leader he would have been able to adapt and overcome the adversity he's faced.

How can you overcome "The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president."?

How can you pass laws when you have people in congress that will not do their job?  How can you blame the President for your failure to even make a budget?  How can you blame the President for you not willing to pay the bills for something was passed in the budget then say you won't pay the bills until you allow something that has no bearing to the bills?


Hell I don't know, I'm not the POTUS or would think myself competent enough to hold the office.  I would make an awful politician as I always own up to my mistakes and will gladly eat crow if something was my fault.  You're just hammering home the idea that Obama doesn't take any credit for any of his mistakes and is generally a shirker of responsibility.  Also I'm not blaming him for the shortcomings of his opposition, I'm blaming him for his own shortcomings.  In case you forgot, he had a willing Congress his first two years in office.
 
2014-01-06 01:33:10 PM

This text is now purple: TNel: Ok, give me an example of Obama shining excellence?

I never said that, he's a fine leader. He hasn't started any wars

Libya wasn't a war?


Wasn't our last "war" WWII?

Every one after that was technically an "engagement", right?
 
2014-01-06 01:33:31 PM

Rapmaster2000: Why do so many people from New Orleans live in Atlanta anyway? They certainly don't come here for the Southern charm.


I moved up here to go to Tech and for the penis. I regularly trek back home because Atlanta's cajun and creole options aren't really that great.
 
2014-01-06 01:35:08 PM

thornhill: ladodger34: thornhill: wxboy: thornhill: moos: thornhill: I suppose that's a fair reason to close schools, but I don't get why they made that call over the weekend instead of waiting until Monday morning to see if there actually was ice.

It gives the parents certainty so they can plan accordingly instead of not knowing until Monday morning and having to react in a more immediate fashion.

Eh, I suppose, but when I lived in the NE schools always waited until about 5 or 6 am on the day of the cancel.

1-2 day forecasting has gotten good enough that schools can have certainty that conditions will warrant a closure a lot earlier than in the past.

Except they completely blew it in this case -- there's no ice anywhere.

I also question what the extra heads up really does for parents. Unless you're really rich, you're not paying for unscheduled childcare. At my office, parents have either: 1) Taken their kids with them to work (stuck them in conference rooms with TVs); 2) Just taken the day off to be home with their kids; or 3) Their parents are watching the kids.

The parents at my office would have preferred that the schools have just waited until the last possible minute to close.

I would imagine it's more of a pubblic safety thing, too. The NE is (or upper midwest) is equipped to handle icy roads. The school bus drivers in those areas drive in ice and snow a heck of a lot. The parents who drive their kids are used to the conditions, too. Kids have cold weather gear to handle extreme cold. The city/county/state is ready to take of the roads because they generally do it all winter long. I'm pretty darn sure that salt for the roads is just a normal part of Minneapolis's budget while there aren't very many cities in the south with the same thing.

I don't dispute any of that. My only point is that maybe they should have waited a longer later to see if the ice materialized so they didn't have to close schools for two days. And I question how much of a favor they really did parents by preemptively closing schools. Of the parents I know, what they did with their kids today was no different than what they would have done had they found out at 6AM this morning there would be no school.


I hear ya on that. I just know that working for a local govt that it is a catch-22.

And they probably could have waited until yesterday morning to make the call.

I don't envy the folks who have to make those calls.
 
2014-01-06 01:42:26 PM

Trillian Astra: for the penis.


Whoa.
 
2014-01-06 01:43:31 PM

skeevy420: lifeboat: Ker_Thwap: skeevy420: For example, even though the temp could be 35 F, the wind chill could be 28 F which could cause the humidity to stick and freeze to that metal roof we're trying to install.

Wrong.   If the temp is 30, and it's windy, then thicker ice could form faster.  No amount of wind will make ice form when the temperature is above freezing.

Yup - wind chill has no effect on inanimate objects. It is the equivalent temperature at which your body will lose its heat.

flondrix: Ker_Thwap: skeevy420: For example, even though the temp could be 35 F, the wind chill could be 28 F which could cause the humidity to stick and freeze to that metal roof we're trying to install.

Wrong.   If the temp is 30, and it's windy, then thicker ice could form faster.  No amount of wind will make ice form when the temperature is above freezing.

Specifically, a non-heated object like a roof will cool down (or heat up) to the ambient temperature and no further; wind chill can only speed that process up.    Wind chill numbers are calculated for bodies that are internally heated and attempting to maintain a surface temperature of 98.6 Fahrenheit, and they only tell you an equivalent temperature in terms of rate of heat loss.  If the ambient temperature is 21F with a windchill of -4F, a guy in a T-shirt will shiver, suffer, and shed heat about the same as if the temperature were -4F and the wind were not blowing, until he loses the ability to maintain normal body temperature, and which point his soon-to-be-lifeless body will drop to 21F and no further.

Scientifically correct or not, I've seen it happen first hand.  Whether it was from the below freezing wind chill, the panels still being below freezing from the night before, or the thermometer being inaccurate, I've seen frost and light ice build up on metal in humid, cold winds when the temperature was still slightly above freezing (33-36F).  Whatever the case may be , it's called trying to be safe and you really don't

 want to be on a roof holding a 16-20ftx4-6ft metal panel when the wind can gust above 15mph, especially if there's a risk that frost or ice could build up.

Wow, you have seen the impossible happen!  'Tis a miracle!  Actually, your comment about not wanting to be on a roof with winds blowing is the only intelligent thing about any of your posts.  Wind chill is valid only for exposed flesh.  Cover the flesh and it's moot.  Good luck on the roofs!
 
2014-01-06 01:43:55 PM

This text is now purple: Libya wasn't a war?


How many troops on the ground?  How many died?
 
2014-01-06 01:44:50 PM

Captain Pissgums: El Dudereno: Captain Pissgums: NWS says we've warmed-up to -15F here (Sioux Falls, SD), on our way to a forecast high of -10.  Couple more days of this, then we're headed into the 30's (above zero) for this weekend.  It's winter and it's the Northern Plains - it happens.

*waves*

Hello, fellow Sioux Fallsian.

*hand freezes solid*


Hello, El Dood. Hot enough for ya?


Who wants ice cream?
 
2014-01-06 01:50:28 PM
The one week a year it is better to live in Florida!
 
2014-01-06 01:50:37 PM

Rapmaster2000: Tom_Slick: vudukungfu: Those folks are not intelligent enough to survive that type of cold.
there will be deaths.

If that were the case, there would be no one in Atlanta as they would have died up north before they moved here.

I moved to Atlanta from Chicago.

So I'm really getting a kick out of this reply.

I moved here to get away from this crap.  At least the roads didn't freeze last night.  6 degrees tonight should cause a lot of busted pipes around town.  A coworker of mine had one break 3 years ago because it was running through the uninsulated part of his attic.  Another example of the outstanding McMansion construction you can get around here.


You can always go back.
 
2014-01-06 01:51:18 PM

mainstreet62: Whoa.


It's not THAT weird to relocate to where your partner lives.
 
2014-01-06 02:01:06 PM

TNel: DubtodaIll: I didn't say I really had any say on who gets the be the boss, but it would be nice if they put someone competent in the office.

You do know that we do not live in a dictatorship right?  Obama is very limited in his powers and almost everything has to be started in the House then to the Senate and then to Obama so if he isn't getting anything done you might want to start looking at the people that are supposed to be passing things so he can sign them into law.

Can you give me an example of being incompetent.


He farked up or position with Syria pretty bad talking shiat and making threats that no one else was willing to back up just help him save face.
 
2014-01-06 02:02:28 PM

GanjSmokr: This text is now purple: TNel: Ok, give me an example of Obama shining excellence?

I never said that, he's a fine leader. He hasn't started any wars

Libya wasn't a war?

Wasn't our last "war" WWII?

Every one after that was technically an "engagement", right?


Well, there were also a couple of happenstances, as I recall.
 
2014-01-06 02:10:15 PM
South Texas reporting in...High today was forcasted at 40, and it only got up to 35.  It is supposed to get down to 25 tonight.  This morning it was 28.

I will try to enjoy the cold, because I know in August, I will miss it.
 
2014-01-06 02:16:08 PM
 
2014-01-06 02:17:15 PM

mizchief: He farked up or position with Syria pretty bad talking shiat and making threats that no one else was willing to back up just help him save face.


Really is that how you remember something that happened about 6 months ago?  Republicans were all for strikes on Syria if need be.  Obama did the right thing as a leader and went to Congress to authorize it. The reason we never went in is because there wasn't enough support from other countries.  We did the right thing by postuering and letting these "leaders" know that you can't gas your people and have the entire world stand by and let it happen.

Just because most of the world was too afraid to do something that is right doesn't mean we have to cower in the corner and let others suffer.
 
2014-01-06 02:26:50 PM

Uncivil Engineer: South Texas reporting in...High today was forcasted at 40, and it only got up to 35.  It is supposed to get down to 25 tonight.  This morning it was 28.

I will try to enjoy the cold, because I know in August, I will miss it.


See, the thing is, if it's cold, you can always bundle up to a comfort level, unless you happen to be, say, wintering over at Amundsen-Scott base in Antarctica.

When it's hot, you can only remove so much clothing until you are naked, and still uncomfortably hot.

So I much prefer the cold over the heat, because all things being equal, I can deal with the cold more easily.
 
2014-01-06 02:28:06 PM

DarwiOdrade: AngryDragon: Damn global warming.

If you picked number 9 in the "How many posts until some troll makes a stupid global warming comment in a weather thread?" pool, step up and claim your free internets.


Was the sarcasm not apparent enough?  Maybe I should have added a "Thanks Obama!" too.  I'll do better next time.
 
2014-01-06 02:34:31 PM

dittybopper: Uncivil Engineer: South Texas reporting in...High today was forcasted at 40, and it only got up to 35.  It is supposed to get down to 25 tonight.  This morning it was 28.

I will try to enjoy the cold, because I know in August, I will miss it.

See, the thing is, if it's cold, you can always bundle up to a comfort level, unless you happen to be, say, wintering over at Amundsen-Scott base in Antarctica.

When it's hot, you can only remove so much clothing until you are naked, and still uncomfortably hot.

So I much prefer the cold over the heat, because all things being equal, I can deal with the cold more easily.


This
 
2014-01-06 02:45:09 PM

skeevy420: Scientifically correct or not, I've seen it happen first hand.  Whether it was from the below freezing wind chill, the panels still being below freezing from the night before, or the thermometer being inaccurate, I've seen frost and light ice build up on metal in humid, cold winds when the temperature was still slightly above freezing (33-36F).


Wind chill is what temperature the air feels like because you are not able to maintain a buffer of warm, body heated air around you.  More heat is pulled out of your body.  It does not change the freezing point of water.
 
2014-01-06 03:05:31 PM

flondrix:  can anyone hear speak authoritatively about wind chill factors?  As I understand it, "-4F with wind chill" means that an exposed surface at a temperature of 98.6F will lose heat at the same rate it would have in still air at -4F.  Now, under those same wind chill conditions, does an object at 98.6F wrapped in polyester fleece also lose heat at the same rate that an object at 98.6F wrapped in polyester fleece would in still air at -4F?

At the very least, I would expect any body, insulated or not, to lose heat faster with the wind blowing than without it.  Sure, if you are really, really bundled up, a wind chill of -4F is not a problem--but the same can be said for still air at -4F.




I am not an authority but many years ago I was interested in this answer so I can sorta relay what I found, but your on the money.

We mammals have a tiny air bubble around of as our body is producing heat insulating us from the ambient temperature.  Wind chill is the wind blowing this bubble away and producing a process approximating the same process that causes hot water to freeze faster than cold.  That bubble of air also keeps the hot air in during the summer and why we like a gentle breeze as we're hotter than the air usually.

I would imagine on whether bundled or not would depend on how loose fitting the clothes were.  The insulating bubble of air isn't very thick and you would want that on the inside of your protective clothing.  If the clothing is tight it would be on the outside and you would still experience wind chill.  With it inside the clothing you would not and thus why they say layers of loose fitting clothing.  However unless your pretty much going out in spacesuit your gonna feel a little bit of windchill as something is always exposed, especially our faces.
 
2014-01-06 03:16:07 PM

hutchkc: flondrix:  can anyone hear speak authoritatively about wind chill factors?  As I understand it,


WOW, after reading what I wrote it is obvious that I'm sleepier than I thought.
 
2014-01-06 03:31:45 PM
I'm in Canton, Ga about 40 miles north of Atlanta. Little colder up here, but my  hot cocoa sampler box helps keep me nice and warm.
 
2014-01-06 03:32:29 PM
It's so cold up here that I'm farting snow flakes.
 
2014-01-06 03:37:50 PM

penguin83: I'm in Canton, Ga about 40 miles north of Atlanta. Little colder up here, but my  hot cocoa sampler box helps keep me nice and warm.


What, you set it on fire?
 
2014-01-06 03:45:53 PM

mizchief: Rapmaster2000: Tom_Slick: vudukungfu: Those folks are not intelligent enough to survive that type of cold.
there will be deaths.

If that were the case, there would be no one in Atlanta as they would have died up north before they moved here.

I moved to Atlanta from Chicago.

So I'm really getting a kick out of this reply.

I moved here to get away from this crap.  At least the roads didn't freeze last night.  6 degrees tonight should cause a lot of busted pipes around town.  A coworker of mine had one break 3 years ago because it was running through the uninsulated part of his attic.  Another example of the outstanding McMansion construction you can get around here.

You can always go back.


Like most carpetbaggers, my superior education and earning power allows me to come and go where I please.

If you don't like it, Delta's ready when you are.  I think Knoxville is more your speed.
 
2014-01-06 03:46:08 PM

GanjSmokr: This text is now purple: TNel: Ok, give me an example of Obama shining excellence?

I never said that, he's a fine leader. He hasn't started any wars

Libya wasn't a war?

Wasn't our last "war" WWII?

Every one after that was technically an "engagement", right?


Depends.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_war_by_the_United_States #F ormal

Under the formal definition, the Civil War wasn't a "war".
 
2014-01-06 03:47:00 PM

Oldiron_79: dittybopper: Uncivil Engineer: South Texas reporting in...High today was forcasted at 40, and it only got up to 35.  It is supposed to get down to 25 tonight.  This morning it was 28.

I will try to enjoy the cold, because I know in August, I will miss it.

See, the thing is, if it's cold, you can always bundle up to a comfort level, unless you happen to be, say, wintering over at Amundsen-Scott base in Antarctica.

When it's hot, you can only remove so much clothing until you are naked, and still uncomfortably hot.

So I much prefer the cold over the heat, because all things being equal, I can deal with the cold more easily.

This


I don't get this reasoning, but i guess i just have a really low tolerance for cold.

Piling on a million layers then peeling them off is a hassle. I overheat in down and underheat in other things. Getting wet when cold is the worst.

I've lived in the tropics, and i walked everywhere with a fan in one hand and a washcloth wiping my face every few feet, but heat doesn't hurt the way cold gets in your bones.
 
2014-01-06 03:50:06 PM

Nothing To See Here: Al Gore


*chug*
 
2014-01-06 03:56:32 PM

o'really: Piling on a million layers then peeling them off is a hassle. I overheat in down and underheat in other things. Getting wet when cold is the worst.


Wool is your best friend.

I hate down myself, and only wear it on the very, very coldest days.  I made the mistake of wearing it today, when the temp was only about 30 F, and I had to completely turn off the heater in the car and just get cold air in because I was sweating.
 
2014-01-06 03:57:22 PM
It's quite warm here.

Ice Miser come home! All is forgiven!

Warm here means:

a) it is raining instead of snowing
b) it is windy instead of calm
c) there is ice on the sidewalks, sloping in all directions
d) there is ice underneath the snow
e) there is ice underneath the filthy mud puddles and running streams of water trapped between snowbanks
f) there is slush in the water, on the water and instead of water
g) when it freezes, even the clear bits of sidewalk will turn into treacherous black ice unless they dry out first
h) there is black ice already where the ice is very thin and the sidewalk relatively unheated.

We always get this crap in January. Sometimes we get half a month, sometimes a whole month, sometimes we get about three years worth.

Give me a real Canadian Winter over the traditional January floods.

The rest of the week should be back to normal, but with ice, nasty, nasty ice. The older I get the more walking scares me.

It's not so bad for the motorists. Judging from the speed the fools are going when they plow through the muddy, slushy water, to splash us pedestrians they are doing just fine. Ice is far from their tiny rodent minds. It's just a normal day in Fat Cat City for the motorists, which has the worst pedestrians this side of Boston and the worst drivers this side of Montreal.
 
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