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(The New York Times)   This may come as a shock to some of you, but it turns out that all those Arab Spring revolutions have led to the rise of militants in the Middle East. Praise be to Alalalalalalalalala   (nytimes.com) divider line 99
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2014-01-06 07:48:01 AM
i41.tinypic.com
 
2014-01-06 08:10:45 AM
See what you've done, Arab Spring? You riled up all these otherwise sedate, mellow countries that are run by fair, democratically elected leaders!
 
2014-01-06 08:47:18 AM

EyeballKid: See what you've done, Arab Spring? You riled up all these otherwise sedate, mellow countries that are run by fair, democratically elected leaders!


I don't see why these seething revolutions can't be more cordial and calm.
 
2014-01-06 09:13:34 AM
'We let them fight each other over there so we don't have to fight them here' > 'we fight them over there so we don't have to fight them here'
 
2014-01-06 09:29:48 AM
But no one told me that the Middle East was overrun with Muslims!
 
2014-01-06 09:40:59 AM
step 1: colonial powers create arbitrary borders without regard to centuries-long tribal conflicts
step 2: colonial powers hand over governance to dictators, who use brutality to subdue their subjects
step 3: overthrow the dictators
step 4: ???
step 5: long-simmering tribal conflicts once again boil over
 
2014-01-06 09:46:42 AM
Here's the plan -
- Everybody outside the middle east stop oil production.
- Run the middle east oil reserves dry.
- Let the Arab peninsula return to the role it played in global affairs prior to WW I.
- Everyone else, resume oil production.

Yes, it would suck for a few years, but we'd finally flick the booger of caring about what Saudi Arabia and Persia Iran think.

/It's pretty close to what Al Qaeda wants anyways...
 
2014-01-06 09:48:26 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2014-01-06 09:48:43 AM
Ah the New York Times, our newspaper from Tel Aviv when it comes to Middle Eastern politics.
 
2014-01-06 09:50:45 AM
Still not a Caliphate?
 
2014-01-06 09:51:34 AM
l1.yimg.com

The US don't care
 
2014-01-06 09:52:56 AM
Now they just need some Irish Spring.
 
2014-01-06 09:53:33 AM
When you take all the guns away from normal people, only the a$$holes have guns.  The a$$holes then run around trying to tell everyone else how to live.

This is a repeat of forever.  Keep your guns.
 
2014-01-06 09:56:29 AM
I don't get the joke. Is this supposed to be like in HBO's Rome, when Cleopatra's entourage starts howling whenever there's any remote chance of her conceiving an heir?
 
2014-01-06 09:58:07 AM

FlashHarry: step 1: colonial powers create arbitrary borders without regard to centuries-long tribal conflicts
step 2: colonial powers hand over governance to dictators, who use brutality to subdue their subjects
step 3: overthrow the dictators
step 4: ???
step 5: long-simmering tribal conflicts once again boil over


And the beauty part here, at least as far as the colonial powers, is that the world will blame the United States instead of the colonial powers.
 
2014-01-06 09:59:15 AM
Wall these animals off, arm them let their natural tendencies take care of it.
 
2014-01-06 10:00:27 AM
Haters gonna hate.
 
2014-01-06 10:01:07 AM

Bslim: Wall these animals off, arm them let their natural tendencies take care of it.


I only see one animal around here.
 
2014-01-06 10:01:18 AM
Just how Israel planned it.
 
2014-01-06 10:01:39 AM

Bslim: Wall these animals off, arm them let their natural tendencies take care of it.


www.biography.com
Meet the new troll
The same as the old troll
 
2014-01-06 10:03:23 AM
Next thing you know, it will turn out that the Arab Spring wasn't the result of millions of Arabs youths deciding how great Western style democracy is overnight thanks to the domino we set up in Iraq and that the biggest factor was food shortages and if the country you lived in wasn't smart enough to develop policies to either meet the needs of the population or crush the dissidents before they could be considered a movement.
 
2014-01-06 10:04:01 AM
This may come as a shock to some of you, but it turns out that all those Arab Spring revolutions Tea Party meetings have led to the rise of militants in the Middle East 'Murka. Praise be to Alalalalalalalalala JEBUS

/FTF 'Murka.
 
2014-01-06 10:04:17 AM

flynn80: Just how Israel planned it.


Get a load of this guy!
 
2014-01-06 10:04:39 AM

DeaH: And the beauty part here, at least as far as the colonial powers, is that the world will blame the United States instead of the colonial powers.


You don't really know anything about our history in the Middle East and North Africa, do you?

We ARE one of the "Colonial powers"

/especially when it comes to Iran
//And Israel
///And Egypt...
 
2014-01-06 10:06:32 AM

cubic_spleen: This may come as a shock to some of you, but it turns out that all those Arab Spring revolutions Tea Party meetings have led to the rise of militants in the Middle East 'Murka. Praise be to Alalalalalalalalala JEBUS

/FTF 'Murka.


Also, "Nazi's", amirite?

What word should be used when someone "Muslim-Extremist-Godwins"?
 
2014-01-06 10:06:58 AM

Zeb Hesselgresser: When you take all the guns away from normal people, only the a$$holes have guns.  The a$$holes then run around trying to tell everyone else how to live.

This is a repeat of forever.  Keep your guns.


Yes.  That's the problem in the Middle East.  Not enough guns.
 
2014-01-06 10:09:05 AM

Zeb Hesselgresser: When you take all the guns away from normal people, only the a$$holes have guns.  The a$$holes then run around trying to tell everyone else how to live.

This is a repeat of forever.  Keep your guns.


Which country are you referring to? Because I'm willing to bet the "normal" people there have enough fire power to make a redneck jealous.
 
2014-01-06 10:11:00 AM

FlashHarry: step 1: colonial powers create arbitrary borders without regard to centuries-long tribal conflicts
step 2: colonial powers hand over governance to dictators, who use brutality to subdue their subjects
step 3: overthrow the dictators
step 4: ???
step 5: long-simmering tribal conflicts once again boil over


#1 is incorrect. The borders are intentional. As is the result. Warring tribes pushed into a single country under a brutal dictator...
 
2014-01-06 10:12:13 AM
Sorry, but fark em.  They no longer have the colonial powers propping up strong men to crush them and so are now working through self-rule.  The world can only be a ref in this because any other role delegitimizes the democratic process when it finally shows up.
 
2014-01-06 10:14:22 AM

neversubmit: [i.imgur.com image 226x223]


Oh, way to go.  You probably just triggered another riot with that post.
 
2014-01-06 10:17:06 AM
Most revolutions end up resulting in a government more powerful than the one the revolution sought to replace in the first place.  See, Russia, France, etc...

The US is the odd ball here but its Revolution was more of a War for Independence and less of a war to change the nature of government.
 
2014-01-06 10:19:20 AM
Guess what?  Democracy is hard.  We're 240 years in and we still don't quite have the hang of it.
 
2014-01-06 10:20:35 AM
So if the colonial powers had never gone in, instead of modern nation-states there would have been hundreds of little tribes fighting it out anyway, or the Russians would have lapped them up. Once the Ottoman Empire ended this was inevitable. People forget that the Western "colonial" period in the Middle East lasted from 1918 to 1948. For six hundred years before that the Turks were the reigning power in the region. How come nobody blames them?
 
2014-01-06 10:21:40 AM
Can't we just install some new dictators?

That's always worked out well in the past.
 
2014-01-06 10:23:59 AM
Nasserism had its day, and waned as a public ideology. Islamism (of various kinds) rose to challenge it, and it will create a cultural layer even as it changes. Secularism is thoroughly associated with neocolonial authoritarianism now, so its not really a viable option. The U.S. fought its own Civil War not that long ago--we're hardly in a position to criticize other countries's messy journey towards democracy.
 
2014-01-06 10:24:35 AM

EyeballKid: See what you've done, Arab Spring? You riled up all these otherwise sedate, mellow countries that are run by fair, democratically elected leaders!


i.e., you've replaced mostly secular dictatorships with theocracies...because that always ends up well....

They were bastards before, but it is much easier to deal with somebody who loves money and power than with somebody who believes god thinks you deserve to die for not believing in the correct version of Allah.
 
2014-01-06 10:25:18 AM

clambam: So if the colonial powers had never gone in, instead of modern nation-states there would have been hundreds of little tribes fighting it out anyway


Even given that its completely hypothetical, how is that any sort of justification for colonialism?
 
2014-01-06 10:25:53 AM
Democratic elections have consequences.
 
2014-01-06 10:26:47 AM

Meatsim1: Most revolutions end up resulting in a government more powerful than the one the revolution sought to replace in the first place.  See, Russia, France, etc...

The US is the odd ball here but its Revolution was more of a War for Independence and less of a war to change the nature of government.


1861-1865 would like a word.

/Lincoln's corpse could power the solar system, it's spinning so fast.
//Farking secessionists and neocon(federate)s have taken over his party.
 
2014-01-06 10:27:08 AM

SoupJohnB: neversubmit: [i.imgur.com image 226x223]

Oh, way to go.  You probably just triggered another riot with that post.


Cultural growth can be painful but if I have any say it will be funny.
 
2014-01-06 10:28:00 AM

I_C_Weener: flynn80: Just how Israel planned it.

Get a load of this guy!


Article messes up by saying Israel is a "Colonial Power"... I do not think that word means what you think it means... time will tell which country/people are the economic developers/ become more developed. I don't see those Ethiopian refugees stopping in the wonderful countries of So. Sudan, Somalia, nor Syria!

Trying to lump together all the Middle East into one melting pot is naive and simplistic. Morocco is no way like Indonesia... and by the way Uighur Chinese aren't Arabic! And the Egyptians won't lie down for the likes of the Persians...
 
2014-01-06 10:28:32 AM

EWreckedSean: EyeballKid: See what you've done, Arab Spring? You riled up all these otherwise sedate, mellow countries that are run by fair, democratically elected leaders!

i.e., you've replaced mostly secular dictatorships with theocracies...because that always ends up well....

They were bastards before, but it is much easier to deal with somebody who loves money and power than with somebody who believes god thinks you deserve to die for not believing in the correct version of Allah.


So, what's important here is whether or not we can do business with them. Great set of ethics you got on you.
 
2014-01-06 10:28:47 AM

Dwight_Yeast: DeaH: And the beauty part here, at least as far as the colonial powers, is that the world will blame the United States instead of the colonial powers.

You don't really know anything about our history in the Middle East and North Africa, do you?

We ARE one of the "Colonial powers"

/especially when it comes to Iran
//And Israel
///And Egypt...


Who drew the maps? Hint: not Americans. The colonial powers were those in place before World War I. You are looking at history post-World War II. The British, the Germans, and the French created this mess. We were stupid for dipping our toes into what had been created as an impossible situation, and we didn't improve things. But Europe holds the blame, not the New World.
 
2014-01-06 10:31:15 AM

Mentat: Guess what?  Democracy is hard.  We're 240 years in and we still don't quite have the hang of it.


It was just a few years ago that we nearly elected Old Man Crankypants and his snowbilly grifter running mate to run the damn country.
 
2014-01-06 10:31:53 AM
It's interesting how we only associate ululation in the West with those wacky Mooselimb A-rabs, but it's fairly common from sub-Saharan African to India across a wide range of religions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ululation
 
2014-01-06 10:32:27 AM

clambam: So if the colonial powers had never gone in, instead of modern nation-states there would have been hundreds of little tribes fighting it out anyway, or the Russians would have lapped them up. Once the Ottoman Empire ended this was inevitable. People forget that the Western "colonial" period in the Middle East lasted from 1918 to 1948. For six hundred years before that the Turks were the reigning power in the region. How come nobody blames them?


Because then you don't have the smug feeling of white guilt
 
2014-01-06 10:32:49 AM

s2s2s2: cubic_spleen: This may come as a shock to some of you, but it turns out that all those Arab Spring revolutions Tea Party meetings have led to the rise of militants in the Middle East 'Murka. Praise be to Alalalalalalalalala JEBUS

/FTF 'Murka.

Also, "Nazi's", amirite?

What word should be used when someone "Muslim-Extremist-Godwins"?


Godwallah?
 
2014-01-06 10:34:10 AM

EyeballKid: EWreckedSean: EyeballKid: See what you've done, Arab Spring? You riled up all these otherwise sedate, mellow countries that are run by fair, democratically elected leaders!

i.e., you've replaced mostly secular dictatorships with theocracies...because that always ends up well....

They were bastards before, but it is much easier to deal with somebody who loves money and power than with somebody who believes god thinks you deserve to die for not believing in the correct version of Allah.

So, what's important here is whether or not we can do business with them. Great set of ethics you got on you.


It has nothing to do with what is important to me rather what is the better of two options. The lesser of two evils is still better than the greater of two evils. Theocracies don't just treat outsiders poorly.
 
2014-01-06 10:34:25 AM
this is what happens when the US is no longer respected.

thanks fartbongo.
 
2014-01-06 10:35:57 AM

Mouldy Squid: Democratic elections have consequences.


Part of the reason we are a Republic and not a Democracy.
 
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